July 13, 2026 – Board of Health – Video & Transcript
July 13, 2026 - Board of Health
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Okay. Let's do a roll call. Dr. Genevieve Anand? Yeah. Dr. Brett Mordas? Yeah. Catherine Stiff? Yeah. John Stoyer is not present tonight, and Dr. Bob Defrancesco is here.
All right. Let's start off with public comment. Do we have anybody? I don't think so.
I don't know if I'm going to say no. Anybody hear us?
No. They can hear us. Okay. Maybe they're just listening. Let's move on to one. Hi, y'all. For the month of June, immunopropal disease included two cases of napalobacteriosis, six of human granulocytic anaposmosis, six of Lyme disease, one case of COVID-19, and one case of solenolosis. So nothing particularly striking. The six cases of pain in the granulocytic anaposmosis were kind of at that end of the spring-summer peak of tick exposure. So not particularly surprised. And I know some of my colleagues have seen also that peak of those most popular tick-borne illnesses, Lyme disease, human granulocytic anaposmosis, and babesiosis, but we didn't have any cases of babesiosis in Washington. So camp inspections started back at the end of May, but have been continuing. And so I've been assisting with the medical portion of camp inspections, which are almost leaked. And so we are excited about that. And the June newsletter, or excuse me, the July newsletter went out recently, the Town of Wayland newsletter, and we did have some messaging there. Extreme heat safety tips that we worked with Jalen Brodica and the Town Manager's Office on. Julia included everything about mosquito bite prevention, how to protect yourself and your home against breeding mosquitoes. And then we did advertise one program that's actually happening tomorrow night. It's a regional Great Meadows Public Health Collaborative Program on ticks and mosquitoes. And that is something that was advertised on the Wayland Health Department webpage and within the Town newsletter. And that should be an interesting presentation that is meant for all agents. And we're hoping that we do see some residents attend. And so that's tomorrow at the Sudbury Good Now Public Library. So not far from 6.30 to 7.30. And then the Opioid Settlement Working Group did release a abatement brief in this latest newsletter as well. So you can find that there. Although we did have Olivia come in just recently to present that information to you all. And then our new school nurse leader, Betsy Green, did start as of the 1st of July. And so she is already busy taking on many of the senior nurse leader tasks. And we are transitioning to welcome her to the board. That's really good for today.
Questions?
The Campflow bacteriosis. Where are we getting it? Where is that from? So it is a bacterial. You get two cases. You hear a lot more of it. Yeah, it is a bacterial illness. And it's not uncommon to see at this time of year. So generally, it's a bowel infection. So those common symptoms are diarrhea, vomiting, nausea, fever. And generally speaking, symptoms last for just a few days. But when symptoms last longer or are significant, often that's when we see folks going in to check with their provider. And so not all folks are tested. It depends on the presentation too. So the two cases, we always look for any sort of pattern in term or connection between the cases. So basically, when I call any case that comes through, we're collecting a history from that person, asking specific medical questions, but then also collecting a food history. And then with that information that is looked at by the state epidemiologists, and then they look for any. So basically, we're conducting that interview in order to do primarily two things, is to limit spread of infection further than we've seen it reach with that person. But then also, if we can, to determine the source of infection, whether that be from food, really uncooked food products from animals like chicken, unpasteurized milk, certain foods are more common. Is it coming from, I read something about, it's on the fruit? That's cyclospirosis. Is that cyclospirosis? That's actually different. We have not, while there have been, DPH did know some cases of that in Massachusetts. Weyland has not seen those. So different infections, but it's not true. They do. That's something. Yeah, the cyclospirosis is. I saw that. And I throw, they see these, see is not following it along. And it's kind of. Fresh produce, for sure. Especially things like raspberries that have little crevices in them. And any, you know, fresh produce, really. Got it. So that's kind of the takeaway. I mean, some people might get more extreme and not even consider eating some things. But I think, you know, washing produce is probably a good step to make sure of that. Thanks. And was there, you said salmonella as well? Yep. So there was just one case of salmonella. Yeah. Where's the data to, sorry, but where, where do you usually, is it the hospital or? So, providers and labs have requirements to report that data. So, it's one or the other, whether it's the laboratory or the healthcare provider that's then reporting it. Oh, so if the lab tests positive or something, they'll automatically sort of. Right, right. There are some reportable diseases. So, I guess these GI bugs and Lyme is not necessarily reportable. STIs, so sexually transmitted infections are reportable. So the lab does it automatically. With monkeypox, like, because there was no lab test, it would come back quickly. So we, we were told you have to report suspected case even for monkeypox. but that's hopefully in the rearview mirror. Yeah, so Lyme is still reportable and there were six cases this month. But, in terms of the reportable diseases, there are about 90 and the STIs are among them, although, generally, the public health nurses are not doing much in the way of investigation. there's a separate group within DPH that does those investigations. I think they track those for, like, antibiotic resistances.
Yeah. And a lot of Lyme probably doesn't get reported because we're treating before the blood tests are positive. So, there's probably a lot more Lyme than that. there's also another layer of, you know, investigation that occurs in the food category, you know, as far as, you know, restaurants and things like that. So, you know, when we hear that potentially, you know, during the investigation, an identified restaurant, you know, was mentioned that the person had eaten there, for example, 110 Grill in this case. And then that triggers an inspection by Beth Grossman who does an investigation which, you know, she didn't conclude that, you know, she found a problem with their food handling. Although we did, she did find that they had some fruit fly infestation. Actually, I think they are drain flies. And that was fixed by Echo Lab who came in and dealt with that. And so, there's sort of, you know, a multi-tiered thing that goes on behind the scenes when these things pop up. You know, there's, you know, what potentially could have happened at a restaurant which, if there was a problem identified, then it would be a bigger investigation into, you know, food handling, making sure, you know, no other people have reported that they've been ill or, you know, no problems with their processes and procedures or handling or equipment. This time of year is really tricky with refrigeration because it's, you know, the humidity and the heat really can do a number on some of the units, especially if they're older.
Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Yeah. Let's move on. Do we, is this next person showing up or coming? I don't know if the owner is coming or not, but I can fill you in. Yes. We received a, this is a closing complaint and legal order that I was actually subpoenaed on by the tenant and appeared in court twice so far for three hours each. I didn't get called to speak and at this point, the hearing is continuing beyond the date when the tenant is expected to leave and, you know, their lease would be over and she would be renting, they would be renting somewhere else. So, I don't perceive that I'll be involved again, but you never know. There could be something else that comes up. In the meantime, the owner is requesting an extension of the legal order to, let's see,
the, so I can elaborate a little bit more. The landlord and owner emailed this afternoon and said that they were supposed to go back to housing court to get in order to compel the tenants to allow repairs inside the house, which the tenant is claiming that they have a concern and extreme sensitivity to mold and so they wanted to, you know, avoid having work done inside the house. Well, they were there. So, however, as it turns out, as I just mentioned, the housing court couldn't schedule until, or reschedule rather, until mid-August, although they're moving out on August 1st. So, the landlord can't do the interior work until they leave, and so they can begin inspections and or interior repairs on August 3rd. So, she's looking for a request for an extension from the Board of Health until August 15th. And so, that's what the current request is. The tenant is going to be moving out as of August 1st. And the tenant won't allow the access to the property for people who are inside, yeah. The exterior work, from my understanding, has begun, although she hasn't mentioned it in here, but the last court date, the judge did hear the case, the first time he didn't, and they were talking, and then it was continued, and then the judge heard a second time. And he ordered that exterior work be done, but then the interior, you know, the tenant didn't want the interior work done, so then he was going to have an evidentiary hearing to hear that evidence, but now it's sort of a moot point, so that's where we're at now. It's been a very long situation.
So do we need to pull down this? Somebody want to? Are we going to have a close, is there a close hearing? Well, I mean, it's basically process, you know, for hearing something, you just close it so that it's, you know, over with according to the board's business for that evening. Okay.
I move to allow additional time for the interior work to be done for 157 Buckskin Drive. And she's looking for August 15th. To extend the date to August 15th. Do we have a
vote? Let's do a vote. Dr. Genevina? Yes. Dr. Brett Mortis? Yes. Captain Steph? Yes. And Dr. Bob DeFrancisco, yes, that's approved for extension. Thank you. All right. Let's do that update from DPW and information on his I don't know if people are going in or not. Do we want to talk about other things just to make sure that I see there's someone on the iPhone. Should we double check? But they can't talk, right? Yeah. If they wanted to, they could raise a hand, I believe. So we have some interviews for the permitting assistant position, which is the new title that the senior clerk's position was given, which is I think more modern sounding. So we have some good applicants and we'll be doing that this week.
hopefully moving forward quickly, although not hastily. The workflow has been pretty, it's been very busy. I'll just put that in a nutshell because first Patty was on vacation for two weeks right when Jenna left and then now Darren's on vacation for a week. It's just that time of year. So I'm processing permits and checks and different things and there's a lot of people calling just because that's what happens when you're doing renewals. You might have missed a piece of important documentation so we have to reach out to them. There's a lot of back and forth. So I'm doing a lot of that. Patty's also doing layers of that work and Darren was as well. So it's sort of a team effort to get the renewals done. Although it is I think a job that someone will like. It's a nice job where you can interact with the public and I think you feel good when you can issue that permit. It's a nice job and actually has been a good experience to use OpenGov more because that's really the program we're going to be using for everything eventually. And so it's giving me a more opportunity to look at the workflow closely. So I think it's a good thing in that way as long as we can move on soon. Because I'll be going on vacation on Saturday for two weeks. So hopefully I've been working on renewals and I plan on having those I can before I leave. So it's the type of thing where you can go in and you can see what's ready to be issued or checks that come in and I can do as much as possible before I leave. And we're also, as Maura mentioned, wrapping up camps and that has been also a heavy lift. But there's a lot of camps that when they submit their paperwork, it's incomplete, it's not organized properly, and it's a paperwork nightmare to look at this stuff. So we're working on trying to tighten things up more, although every year we do more, and it just seems like, and I even reject applications. When I see that they're not complete, I'll say, do better, and then they come back again. But I don't know, it needs work, I think, the process. And everyone says the same thing. You know, every town that does camps because it's, and we've been getting a lot more camps, so more camps than more fun.
So, what else do we have? Maura mentioned the Tick and Mosquito Educational Program. They're also going to be doing, I thought it was a great idea, and so I suggested that this Tick and Mosquito Program, maybe in a shortened version, or summarized, be presented at Camp Chickamy because there's so many kids there at once. So, they're working on coordinating that, and I thought, you know, why not have them do something, and so they were excited, and I think, you know, they're actually going to have live insects, and kids will love that stuff. So, that'll be sometime this summer, and we've been getting a lot of complaints, and I don't mean about ourselves. I mean, people are submitting complaints, housing complaints. I haven't heard from the owner yet on 69 Rice Road, aka 252 Old Connecticut Path, although it's not a lengthy complaint, you know, it's still a new one. I mentioned the 110 Grill investigation that we had. We also had China Rose, that we received a complaint about takeout where there was some mouse droppings in a box, and also they had some concerns from someone who ordered takeout food and specified that they were allergic to nuts, and the food had nuts on it. And so Beth's working with staff over there on some of this important, really important, especially with the allergen, and they're getting the pest company on board. So at Royal Whalen, who we heard is changing hands again, they had some refrigeration units that were identified during an inspection over there. It was like everything happened at once, and poor Beth out. She was like, this is the worst day ever. They ended up getting things resolved, but it's that time of year where lines freeze up, and coolant doesn't flow properly, and units aren't working, and there's no one available to look at it. So it took a little bit of time, but they did get that resolved. And also we've got a complaint over at 154 Boston Post Road with the geese and duck over there. So I ended up sending them a legal order with their ability to request a hearing if they choose so. So we may be seeing them at our next board meeting. We had trash at 81 Draper like strewn all over the front of the driveway, and apparently some tenants had moved out, and then there was like a changeover or something, and I think animals got into the trash before it could be picked up. So that was another just basically following up and making sure that it's not left out there for, you know, days or weeks. So. Could I, sorry, could I, what was the complaint for the 69 Rice Road, 252? So that is basically, Anne and Darren went out there, and it looked like there was a prior leak from possibly the roof. The ceiling inside the apartment had visual signs of a prior leak, but it didn't look like it was currently leaking or wet. so we weren't sure if whatever happened was fixed or not, but it still has to be repaired inside. Oh, from a tenant, a tenant. Yes, and so also there was, you know, signs of peeling paint, and it's an older house, so the lead law is, needs to be addressed, so they need to have another PCAD, it's like a post-compliance assessment report, it's been quite a while, so I haven't heard from the owner, I'm sure they're busy hopefully working on it, but they got a certified letter and I called the person who manages the property, I haven't heard back from him either, but so, it's busy.
I'm not trying to think of anything else, water sampling is ongoing at the town beach, I think the water was 83 degrees today, which is getting pretty warm, so hopefully we can get through the next week without having any problems, but it's been very clear, so that's the good sign, you know, the visual is good, and the test results have been good, they're going to start to change because of the water temp, because that's one of the things that will bring up the algae growth, unless we get a cold spot, I don't see that happening anytime soon, so Anne has been doing all the sampling, she's been doing a great job, so we're going to you know, I'll be on vacation, but she'll be in touch with me, if there's something that comes up, we can do an advisory, which you know, would involve hosting signage, you know, if there's an algae bloom that is something that we want to warn people about, you know, we would go through a process of notifying the public and deciding whether we close the beach or not and posting signage, so and the CTCI grant is over, sadly, we say goodbye to Katie Rines and Kim Garcia, Katie is still working hourly until probably the end of July, just to wrap up reporting for the grant, and so, you know, we're finished with that, unfortunately it's been, you know, a number of years where we've had that grant and the staff and we've, you know, done a lot of great work with them, but the other grant for the regional collaborative that we have is ongoing at least until June of 27, we don't know what's happening to it after that, so, you know, there are questions, you know, that we have that were, you know, concerns about staff losing their jobs and what's the next step and what are plans, and so there's not really a lot of information available yet, but they're asking, you know, questions about what our thoughts and ideas are, about how we can continue to collaborate and share services, so, you know, they'll be diving into that a little bit in the next few months, I think.
So, back to, now, this, you know, goes back a little bit, so I don't know if anyone needs a refresher here, I have some stuff that I hand out.
But this one, I think it didn't have a signature spot last time, so that's why it was, it might have, I think the printer is having some problems, so it looks a little weird, but I promise you that it looked normal when I started.
So, we had a really full agenda last time we met, and that was, you know, and we knew that they were going to be talking about this at the Board of Public Works, although I wanted to, you know, due diligence and, you know, with all due respect for the residents and their concerns, you know, have a board discussion, you know, regarding the concerns, as well as the steps that the Board of, I'm sorry, the DPW Director and Board of Public Works have planned. So, I can just sort of go over what my investigation has been. Back in May, we received a complaint on May 5th from residents of Hazelbrook and Lincoln Road, and many people showed up, as you know, to provide public comment that they had been complaining about this for some time, although it was new to us, we had heard about this before regarding the dust being generated on Hazelbrook and Lincoln Road. And so, I met with Tom Holder, the DPW Director, and also with Joe Doucette. You know, they both also watched the meeting and listened to public comment, and they were, you know, planning on doing a treatment with calcium chloride, and so I was, you know, encouraging them to do it sooner than later. It was pretty dry at that time.
So, that would help, you know, while things were being looked into, and I think at that time, the residents, we scourged them to go to the Board of Public Works and provide comment there, and they did do that. And I also went down Hagelbrook and Lincoln Roads on the 19th of May and was looking for the material that was shared with us by Kim Cuffer, and Tom actually took most of the material that was provided. I still have some, but I was able to find material, but it was not consistent with what was provided to us, and so I actually brought it with me so you can see it, this is what I found, which was, there are some pieces of that other material, the concrete, I don't know what it's called, but it was more of a combination, that's like general, like if you just went to the road and grabbed a handful of the road, that's what I found. You know, it's dirty, dusty, it's rocks and sediment underneath it, I mean, that's what happens, the road gets ground down from, you know, cars driving over it, so I did notice, I don't know if anyone else has had a chance to drive down the road, I mean, it was dusty, but I don't think, it wasn't as dusty as I thought it would be at the time, I'm sure it's different depending on what time of day you go and how the weather conditions are. I know that Joe Doucette and Tom have also been looking at the road closely and driving down it, so, and then I know that the residents went to the Board of Public Works meeting on May 19th, and I had spoken to Joe beforehand and he said that he was in touch with their engineer and consultant regarding the complaint, they were looking into things, providing ideas and potential solutions, and as well as doing the calcium chloride treatment, and then they provided this formal response memo, and in the meantime, I also spoke with Michelle Delmar from DEP, she's an environmental analyst that we call every now and then, the things that come up, she handles, you know, complaints for noise dust, and, you know, a lot of them are related to, well, she gets all of them, I mean, residential roads and, you know, like concrete plants and, you know, things like that, where there is a huge amount of dust that's being generated by some of these construction companies and things like that, so she's been doing that work for many years, and she, you know, was talking about the drought and how, you know, the lack of rain and moisture is causing so many problems with dust complaints and, you know, how severe the drought is and how it's, you know, really contributing to the problem, you know, spiraling. Weather patterns changing with, you know, less, fewer light, misty rains, which, you know, really help keep dust down in general in the environment, and, you know, more heavy downpours that don't really contribute as much to, you know, the overall moisture in the environment. Our top solution would be to pave the road, which eliminates the problem altogether, but other ideas, they could use some type of treatment to calm down the dust, like sodium or calcium chloride, and repeat as needed, which they did move forward with. Also, traffic calming is an option. I did notice signs out there, already on those roads, but I think, from what I hear, people cut through a lot, and so, you know, that can be a problem, but... I saw a sign that said 10 miles an hour. Yeah. That didn't look like it was an official sign. Right. I don't know whose sign that is, but I know that's a really good question. Is that an official sign? I don't know who put that sign there, but I saw that, too. You know, she also mentioned to consider rebraiding the road. You know, silica is in the environment everywhere. It's very prevalent. You know, as for health-related concerns, you know, people should contact their primary care physician if they have health risk concerns. You know, everyone has different health risks, conditions, exposures, habits. I spoke to both Joe Doucette and Tom Holder periodically in June, and then I did speak to Tom again today, and he said that they're doing things in the spirit of trying to address the residents' concerns. There is a contracted company working on Gleason Lane, and they can regrade Hazel Brook and Lincoln after Gleason is done, which he expects to be sometime over the summer, and that there are two companies where they can purchase some virgin material, and they were figuring out the details on their agenda again on the 28th of July. So, I don't know if the board had me. Who has the authority to pave it? That was going to be my question. That was my question. Dollar sign question. And I think there are probably people on that road that would enjoy the paving and other people that would definitely not enjoy the paving because it changed the whole character at the road. Yeah, because I remember there was maybe at least one person who came up to speak and said, I like how it's still a dirt road. Country road. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they worried that traffic would increase if it was paving. That's another thing. I don't think they have the money to pave it right now because Tom mentioned that that would be very expensive and their budget was reduced because of expected shortfalls with budgets going forward. So I think they're doing, you know, they're addressing the concerns, but I don't know that paving is the most popular idea. I don't know ultimately who would make that decision. I think they'd have to go through a process for sure with Board of Public Works and all that and the neighbors, I'm sure. Do you think that did they sort of reach a final conclusion that they're going to try to do the deposition the calcium chloride? They did it already. Okay, yeah, but like going forward, I mean, like I think I was reading it, it takes, it only takes one or two, like per season and it's... I think they're going to keep an eye on it, you know, to determine if it needs another treatment, but in the meantime, you know, they're going to be looking to regrade and use different material, so that would be a new experience, you know, how the new material will be, you know, and what the dust concerns, you know, how that will play out.
And that's more reasonable than repaving the whole road? According to Tom, yes. As far as, you know, the cost, I don't know. I'm sure they'll talk about it at their next board meeting. So, I guess... Sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, you go, you go. Are there any other dirt roads in the town? I know there's a little one connecting Route 126 to 27.
Oh, yeah, like Heather Street or Heather something road. There's also one that goes from, what's the name of the street?
From the town beach to the main road, whatever that road, Pemberton road. That's a dirt road, too. It's a short dirt road, though. I mean, it's like a small area, but there's houses in there, and there's a gate. You know, they use it to prevent people from cutting through when the beach is open. So, I don't know how many dirt roads there are in town, but there are probably more than one, I think. I'm just thinking because in terms of cost, if you're paving and then they'd have to look at offering it to everybody, right? Maybe. I don't know if there's other complaints about the other roads, you know. This one, I think it's a through way. It'll become like Leeson Lane and a through way, so the traffic would increase significantly on his, that's what they don't like. They don't like that possibility.
Yeah.
I don't know if anyone had any other comments, or that was just basically my investigation and facts finding. This is just, and I think I've shared this with all of you, Dr. Arnon, you probably have this. It's just the Happy Hollow School complaint. I wanted to just bring that up.
This came up on the 15th of June, so I just wanted to mention it from concerned staff members regarding environmental health and safety concerns. and so I have reached out to facilities and the building department to try to plan a discussion or meeting to talk about some of this stuff and figure out a strategy on where our role would lie and investigate some of these concerns. I know that facilities has been really busy with moving the children's way out into the other schools, so that's ongoing, I think, as we speak. So, just wanted to mention that.
What the missing part of the agenda, yeah, for that page, it's like double sided. Yeah, these ones are fun, but I think, um,
let's look it up and make sure I'm not missing anything.
When it's complaint about Happy Hollow, it's just the start of it, what you say, it's just to complain, then the women follow up the next steps. to, you know, the attention of the Board of Health, the facilities department, I sent a copy to the building department. So, what's the next steps? What happens after this? So, as I mentioned, I plan on meeting with facilities and probably the building to find out insight on some of these things and then probably do a site visit, you know, in the next, maybe in the next month, you know, I'm guessing before school starts for sure. So, try and, like, schedule a date to talk about it. I think I saw that there was some people that were complaining, like, they actually had, like, physical symptoms, maybe, to, like, headaches or runny nose after spending prolonged, which might be, I don't know, maybe, that might be good to, like, see, you know, how many people had, because that would maybe make it a little more. I mean, we investigate all complaints, so it's not going to go in a pile, but, you know, some of the indoor air quality concerns are investigated by the State Department of Public Health. They do an assessment, and they will do that. I don't know if anyone's requested one yet, but they will do that. There is no standard for mold. There are no standards in the state or EPA for mold and indoor air quality. That's what this whole debate at 157 box scan is about, and you know, we in the Health Department and the Board of Health have the State Sanitary Code, which is, you know, minimum standards of fitness for human habitation. And that code references, you know, repair work that's responsible by the owner of the property. In this case, you know, for the school, you know, anyway, we would look at, you know, what types of repairs need to be done. Are there, like, chronic sources of a leak? Is that repaired? You know, when we address things that are related to moisture and excessive or chronic moisture, moisture, we look at what needs to be fixed, what's causing the leak? You know, is it an air conditioning unit? Is it a ice dam that, you know, occurred over the winter? Has that been fixed? You know, is it going to happen again? Or is it a roof that needs repair? And then, you know, work needs to be done to repair whatever the damage was. But, you know, as far as mold goes, we don't have standards to compare mold reports. You know, if that's something that comes up, you know, that was something that came up for a 157 box scan. And once we look into it more, we'll find out, you know, what potential repairs might be needed. And usually it's a joint effort with a few, you know, departments and facilities very involved because they are the ultimately, they're the department that has to, you know, move forward with any repair work and figure out how it's going to get paid for. So, if you update it, yeah, I mean, I'm not, you know, saying that there aren't valid concerns at all. You know, I don't know. I haven't been in school recently. So, you know, we would definitely do an inspection to observe what we see, you know.
Was there a previous inspection done at, was it local? I just have recollection a couple years ago. Did you all do something at another? I think it was local, right? I think it was local, yeah. Yeah. Just a similar kind of thing that somebody goes in and just clarifies and confirms all these reports and then presents a report. Yeah, I mean, you know, we are, we're, I mean, although we're a separate entity, we, you know, would work with the other departments to try and figure out, you know, what the problems might be and potential solutions, you know, are there any past infestations and, you know, are they being addressed properly and, you know, various types of things that can come up, old buildings that need help. That's, you know, what the bottom line is. This building is very old too, so we're, you know, in the same boat. So, right now, the school has nobody and then in the fall, the children's way will move over?
I believe they're moving over as we speak. Oh, they're moving into this situation? Moving out of this building. Oh, okay. Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Anything else? I think we had a question about getting back to complaints. Sure. China Roche. Mm-hmm. Didn't we allow them or we didn't, didn't we? Sushi. There was a sushi permit, was it? Yep. If there was any problems,
weren't we, because there was a contingency of something there and now they're back with another complaint, if I remember correctly.
They are. Yes. We basically said, better clean up or there's going to be a bigger problem later on. I think at the time it was food handling. I mean, you know, the allergy situation, Beth was going to look into that as well, you know, as far as the nut allergy. But that's food handling, you know, just like any other situation. And then they said they had droppings, was the droppings in the sushi, or what was it? You know what I mean? It was in a takeout container.
So, valid questions.
I mean... How many times do we have to keep going back there before we do something a little bit more? I mean, it seems like we're seeing them more frequently than even with education. refrigeration in... I thought John had addressed the refrigeration. Did you say this one was also... There was a refrigeration concern or something? No, was that Royal? That was Royal Wave. Oh, yeah. That was in China Rose. Oh, okay. As far as I know, they didn't have a refrigeration unit issued this time. I mean, things do pop up in the summer, for sure.
No, but yeah, I agree with Bob. It's especially the allergy thing. If somebody with a... Yeah. Like I know someone with anaphylactic not allergy. Yeah, that's more than... Luckily, they didn't start eating the food without looking at it first, which I would never advise them to do, but still. I mean, we could send them a letter, you know, I don't have any thoughts right off the top of my head, but... Just how many more warnings do we give them before somebody gets hurt? That's kind of what I look at it is we continue to give them warnings.
Yeah. I mean, things pop up at restaurants for sure throughout the year. You know, when you have change of staff, you know, that is common. People need to be retrained, but they do have responsibilities as a permitted restaurant to have a knowledge of allergen safety, foods handling, and, you know, they should have a pest company on board, which they did not have, and now they're complying, you know, because Beth told them they had to have one. I mean, that's a no-brainer.
So, I mean, we had, you know, we did have a problem at 110 as well with the drain flies, but we haven't had problems recently that we know of. You know, it just seems like they keep coming back to us, you know, with a different complaint or whatever. Every three meetings, every third meeting. I mean, I can ask Beth what her thoughts are.
to the staff and the owner.
Yeah, I mean, she's taking care of it, but I think you maybe ask her how many more times do you need to address them to before something happens? Is it something that she sees being a future problem with all these complaints? Yeah. Just so we have it on record. Like, find out the circumstances around the allergy, lack of training, like, just making sure there's a standardized training process and address that. I don't know, but maybe finding out more information around the circumstances.
Right.
I think that's all I said. Do you have anything else?
What's our next meeting? Our next meeting is August 2nd? Oh, it's not on the agenda. It is August. It's the 10th? 10th, yes. Yeah, I won't be able to make that one.
Should I email you, Julia? If you would, that would be helpful. Thank you. Thanks.
We don't have anything else.
Motion to adjourn.
Motion to adjourn the meeting today? Second. Let's do a roll call. Dr. Genevieve Annan. Yes, thanks. Dr. Brett Morris here, Catherine Stook. Yes. And Dr. Bob De Francesco, meeting's adjourned. Thank you, everyone.
No. They can hear us. Okay. Maybe they're just listening. Let's move on to one. Hi, y'all. For the month of June, immunopropal disease included two cases of napalobacteriosis, six of human granulocytic anaposmosis, six of Lyme disease, one case of COVID-19, and one case of solenolosis. So nothing particularly striking. The six cases of pain in the granulocytic anaposmosis were kind of at that end of the spring-summer peak of tick exposure. So not particularly surprised. And I know some of my colleagues have seen also that peak of those most popular tick-borne illnesses, Lyme disease, human granulocytic anaposmosis, and babesiosis, but we didn't have any cases of babesiosis in Washington. So camp inspections started back at the end of May, but have been continuing. And so I've been assisting with the medical portion of camp inspections, which are almost leaked. And so we are excited about that. And the June newsletter, or excuse me, the July newsletter went out recently, the Town of Wayland newsletter, and we did have some messaging there. Extreme heat safety tips that we worked with Jalen Brodica and the Town Manager's Office on. Julia included everything about mosquito bite prevention, how to protect yourself and your home against breeding mosquitoes. And then we did advertise one program that's actually happening tomorrow night. It's a regional Great Meadows Public Health Collaborative Program on ticks and mosquitoes. And that is something that was advertised on the Wayland Health Department webpage and within the Town newsletter. And that should be an interesting presentation that is meant for all agents. And we're hoping that we do see some residents attend. And so that's tomorrow at the Sudbury Good Now Public Library. So not far from 6.30 to 7.30. And then the Opioid Settlement Working Group did release a abatement brief in this latest newsletter as well. So you can find that there. Although we did have Olivia come in just recently to present that information to you all. And then our new school nurse leader, Betsy Green, did start as of the 1st of July. And so she is already busy taking on many of the senior nurse leader tasks. And we are transitioning to welcome her to the board. That's really good for today.
Questions?
The Campflow bacteriosis. Where are we getting it? Where is that from? So it is a bacterial. You get two cases. You hear a lot more of it. Yeah, it is a bacterial illness. And it's not uncommon to see at this time of year. So generally, it's a bowel infection. So those common symptoms are diarrhea, vomiting, nausea, fever. And generally speaking, symptoms last for just a few days. But when symptoms last longer or are significant, often that's when we see folks going in to check with their provider. And so not all folks are tested. It depends on the presentation too. So the two cases, we always look for any sort of pattern in term or connection between the cases. So basically, when I call any case that comes through, we're collecting a history from that person, asking specific medical questions, but then also collecting a food history. And then with that information that is looked at by the state epidemiologists, and then they look for any. So basically, we're conducting that interview in order to do primarily two things, is to limit spread of infection further than we've seen it reach with that person. But then also, if we can, to determine the source of infection, whether that be from food, really uncooked food products from animals like chicken, unpasteurized milk, certain foods are more common. Is it coming from, I read something about, it's on the fruit? That's cyclospirosis. Is that cyclospirosis? That's actually different. We have not, while there have been, DPH did know some cases of that in Massachusetts. Weyland has not seen those. So different infections, but it's not true. They do. That's something. Yeah, the cyclospirosis is. I saw that. And I throw, they see these, see is not following it along. And it's kind of. Fresh produce, for sure. Especially things like raspberries that have little crevices in them. And any, you know, fresh produce, really. Got it. So that's kind of the takeaway. I mean, some people might get more extreme and not even consider eating some things. But I think, you know, washing produce is probably a good step to make sure of that. Thanks. And was there, you said salmonella as well? Yep. So there was just one case of salmonella. Yeah. Where's the data to, sorry, but where, where do you usually, is it the hospital or? So, providers and labs have requirements to report that data. So, it's one or the other, whether it's the laboratory or the healthcare provider that's then reporting it. Oh, so if the lab tests positive or something, they'll automatically sort of. Right, right. There are some reportable diseases. So, I guess these GI bugs and Lyme is not necessarily reportable. STIs, so sexually transmitted infections are reportable. So the lab does it automatically. With monkeypox, like, because there was no lab test, it would come back quickly. So we, we were told you have to report suspected case even for monkeypox. but that's hopefully in the rearview mirror. Yeah, so Lyme is still reportable and there were six cases this month. But, in terms of the reportable diseases, there are about 90 and the STIs are among them, although, generally, the public health nurses are not doing much in the way of investigation. there's a separate group within DPH that does those investigations. I think they track those for, like, antibiotic resistances.
Yeah. And a lot of Lyme probably doesn't get reported because we're treating before the blood tests are positive. So, there's probably a lot more Lyme than that. there's also another layer of, you know, investigation that occurs in the food category, you know, as far as, you know, restaurants and things like that. So, you know, when we hear that potentially, you know, during the investigation, an identified restaurant, you know, was mentioned that the person had eaten there, for example, 110 Grill in this case. And then that triggers an inspection by Beth Grossman who does an investigation which, you know, she didn't conclude that, you know, she found a problem with their food handling. Although we did, she did find that they had some fruit fly infestation. Actually, I think they are drain flies. And that was fixed by Echo Lab who came in and dealt with that. And so, there's sort of, you know, a multi-tiered thing that goes on behind the scenes when these things pop up. You know, there's, you know, what potentially could have happened at a restaurant which, if there was a problem identified, then it would be a bigger investigation into, you know, food handling, making sure, you know, no other people have reported that they've been ill or, you know, no problems with their processes and procedures or handling or equipment. This time of year is really tricky with refrigeration because it's, you know, the humidity and the heat really can do a number on some of the units, especially if they're older.
Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Yeah. Let's move on. Do we, is this next person showing up or coming? I don't know if the owner is coming or not, but I can fill you in. Yes. We received a, this is a closing complaint and legal order that I was actually subpoenaed on by the tenant and appeared in court twice so far for three hours each. I didn't get called to speak and at this point, the hearing is continuing beyond the date when the tenant is expected to leave and, you know, their lease would be over and she would be renting, they would be renting somewhere else. So, I don't perceive that I'll be involved again, but you never know. There could be something else that comes up. In the meantime, the owner is requesting an extension of the legal order to, let's see,
the, so I can elaborate a little bit more. The landlord and owner emailed this afternoon and said that they were supposed to go back to housing court to get in order to compel the tenants to allow repairs inside the house, which the tenant is claiming that they have a concern and extreme sensitivity to mold and so they wanted to, you know, avoid having work done inside the house. Well, they were there. So, however, as it turns out, as I just mentioned, the housing court couldn't schedule until, or reschedule rather, until mid-August, although they're moving out on August 1st. So, the landlord can't do the interior work until they leave, and so they can begin inspections and or interior repairs on August 3rd. So, she's looking for a request for an extension from the Board of Health until August 15th. And so, that's what the current request is. The tenant is going to be moving out as of August 1st. And the tenant won't allow the access to the property for people who are inside, yeah. The exterior work, from my understanding, has begun, although she hasn't mentioned it in here, but the last court date, the judge did hear the case, the first time he didn't, and they were talking, and then it was continued, and then the judge heard a second time. And he ordered that exterior work be done, but then the interior, you know, the tenant didn't want the interior work done, so then he was going to have an evidentiary hearing to hear that evidence, but now it's sort of a moot point, so that's where we're at now. It's been a very long situation.
So do we need to pull down this? Somebody want to? Are we going to have a close, is there a close hearing? Well, I mean, it's basically process, you know, for hearing something, you just close it so that it's, you know, over with according to the board's business for that evening. Okay.
I move to allow additional time for the interior work to be done for 157 Buckskin Drive. And she's looking for August 15th. To extend the date to August 15th. Do we have a
vote? Let's do a vote. Dr. Genevina? Yes. Dr. Brett Mortis? Yes. Captain Steph? Yes. And Dr. Bob DeFrancisco, yes, that's approved for extension. Thank you. All right. Let's do that update from DPW and information on his I don't know if people are going in or not. Do we want to talk about other things just to make sure that I see there's someone on the iPhone. Should we double check? But they can't talk, right? Yeah. If they wanted to, they could raise a hand, I believe. So we have some interviews for the permitting assistant position, which is the new title that the senior clerk's position was given, which is I think more modern sounding. So we have some good applicants and we'll be doing that this week.
hopefully moving forward quickly, although not hastily. The workflow has been pretty, it's been very busy. I'll just put that in a nutshell because first Patty was on vacation for two weeks right when Jenna left and then now Darren's on vacation for a week. It's just that time of year. So I'm processing permits and checks and different things and there's a lot of people calling just because that's what happens when you're doing renewals. You might have missed a piece of important documentation so we have to reach out to them. There's a lot of back and forth. So I'm doing a lot of that. Patty's also doing layers of that work and Darren was as well. So it's sort of a team effort to get the renewals done. Although it is I think a job that someone will like. It's a nice job where you can interact with the public and I think you feel good when you can issue that permit. It's a nice job and actually has been a good experience to use OpenGov more because that's really the program we're going to be using for everything eventually. And so it's giving me a more opportunity to look at the workflow closely. So I think it's a good thing in that way as long as we can move on soon. Because I'll be going on vacation on Saturday for two weeks. So hopefully I've been working on renewals and I plan on having those I can before I leave. So it's the type of thing where you can go in and you can see what's ready to be issued or checks that come in and I can do as much as possible before I leave. And we're also, as Maura mentioned, wrapping up camps and that has been also a heavy lift. But there's a lot of camps that when they submit their paperwork, it's incomplete, it's not organized properly, and it's a paperwork nightmare to look at this stuff. So we're working on trying to tighten things up more, although every year we do more, and it just seems like, and I even reject applications. When I see that they're not complete, I'll say, do better, and then they come back again. But I don't know, it needs work, I think, the process. And everyone says the same thing. You know, every town that does camps because it's, and we've been getting a lot more camps, so more camps than more fun.
So, what else do we have? Maura mentioned the Tick and Mosquito Educational Program. They're also going to be doing, I thought it was a great idea, and so I suggested that this Tick and Mosquito Program, maybe in a shortened version, or summarized, be presented at Camp Chickamy because there's so many kids there at once. So, they're working on coordinating that, and I thought, you know, why not have them do something, and so they were excited, and I think, you know, they're actually going to have live insects, and kids will love that stuff. So, that'll be sometime this summer, and we've been getting a lot of complaints, and I don't mean about ourselves. I mean, people are submitting complaints, housing complaints. I haven't heard from the owner yet on 69 Rice Road, aka 252 Old Connecticut Path, although it's not a lengthy complaint, you know, it's still a new one. I mentioned the 110 Grill investigation that we had. We also had China Rose, that we received a complaint about takeout where there was some mouse droppings in a box, and also they had some concerns from someone who ordered takeout food and specified that they were allergic to nuts, and the food had nuts on it. And so Beth's working with staff over there on some of this important, really important, especially with the allergen, and they're getting the pest company on board. So at Royal Whalen, who we heard is changing hands again, they had some refrigeration units that were identified during an inspection over there. It was like everything happened at once, and poor Beth out. She was like, this is the worst day ever. They ended up getting things resolved, but it's that time of year where lines freeze up, and coolant doesn't flow properly, and units aren't working, and there's no one available to look at it. So it took a little bit of time, but they did get that resolved. And also we've got a complaint over at 154 Boston Post Road with the geese and duck over there. So I ended up sending them a legal order with their ability to request a hearing if they choose so. So we may be seeing them at our next board meeting. We had trash at 81 Draper like strewn all over the front of the driveway, and apparently some tenants had moved out, and then there was like a changeover or something, and I think animals got into the trash before it could be picked up. So that was another just basically following up and making sure that it's not left out there for, you know, days or weeks. So. Could I, sorry, could I, what was the complaint for the 69 Rice Road, 252? So that is basically, Anne and Darren went out there, and it looked like there was a prior leak from possibly the roof. The ceiling inside the apartment had visual signs of a prior leak, but it didn't look like it was currently leaking or wet. so we weren't sure if whatever happened was fixed or not, but it still has to be repaired inside. Oh, from a tenant, a tenant. Yes, and so also there was, you know, signs of peeling paint, and it's an older house, so the lead law is, needs to be addressed, so they need to have another PCAD, it's like a post-compliance assessment report, it's been quite a while, so I haven't heard from the owner, I'm sure they're busy hopefully working on it, but they got a certified letter and I called the person who manages the property, I haven't heard back from him either, but so, it's busy.
I'm not trying to think of anything else, water sampling is ongoing at the town beach, I think the water was 83 degrees today, which is getting pretty warm, so hopefully we can get through the next week without having any problems, but it's been very clear, so that's the good sign, you know, the visual is good, and the test results have been good, they're going to start to change because of the water temp, because that's one of the things that will bring up the algae growth, unless we get a cold spot, I don't see that happening anytime soon, so Anne has been doing all the sampling, she's been doing a great job, so we're going to you know, I'll be on vacation, but she'll be in touch with me, if there's something that comes up, we can do an advisory, which you know, would involve hosting signage, you know, if there's an algae bloom that is something that we want to warn people about, you know, we would go through a process of notifying the public and deciding whether we close the beach or not and posting signage, so and the CTCI grant is over, sadly, we say goodbye to Katie Rines and Kim Garcia, Katie is still working hourly until probably the end of July, just to wrap up reporting for the grant, and so, you know, we're finished with that, unfortunately it's been, you know, a number of years where we've had that grant and the staff and we've, you know, done a lot of great work with them, but the other grant for the regional collaborative that we have is ongoing at least until June of 27, we don't know what's happening to it after that, so, you know, there are questions, you know, that we have that were, you know, concerns about staff losing their jobs and what's the next step and what are plans, and so there's not really a lot of information available yet, but they're asking, you know, questions about what our thoughts and ideas are, about how we can continue to collaborate and share services, so, you know, they'll be diving into that a little bit in the next few months, I think.
So, back to, now, this, you know, goes back a little bit, so I don't know if anyone needs a refresher here, I have some stuff that I hand out.
But this one, I think it didn't have a signature spot last time, so that's why it was, it might have, I think the printer is having some problems, so it looks a little weird, but I promise you that it looked normal when I started.
So, we had a really full agenda last time we met, and that was, you know, and we knew that they were going to be talking about this at the Board of Public Works, although I wanted to, you know, due diligence and, you know, with all due respect for the residents and their concerns, you know, have a board discussion, you know, regarding the concerns, as well as the steps that the Board of, I'm sorry, the DPW Director and Board of Public Works have planned. So, I can just sort of go over what my investigation has been. Back in May, we received a complaint on May 5th from residents of Hazelbrook and Lincoln Road, and many people showed up, as you know, to provide public comment that they had been complaining about this for some time, although it was new to us, we had heard about this before regarding the dust being generated on Hazelbrook and Lincoln Road. And so, I met with Tom Holder, the DPW Director, and also with Joe Doucette. You know, they both also watched the meeting and listened to public comment, and they were, you know, planning on doing a treatment with calcium chloride, and so I was, you know, encouraging them to do it sooner than later. It was pretty dry at that time.
So, that would help, you know, while things were being looked into, and I think at that time, the residents, we scourged them to go to the Board of Public Works and provide comment there, and they did do that. And I also went down Hagelbrook and Lincoln Roads on the 19th of May and was looking for the material that was shared with us by Kim Cuffer, and Tom actually took most of the material that was provided. I still have some, but I was able to find material, but it was not consistent with what was provided to us, and so I actually brought it with me so you can see it, this is what I found, which was, there are some pieces of that other material, the concrete, I don't know what it's called, but it was more of a combination, that's like general, like if you just went to the road and grabbed a handful of the road, that's what I found. You know, it's dirty, dusty, it's rocks and sediment underneath it, I mean, that's what happens, the road gets ground down from, you know, cars driving over it, so I did notice, I don't know if anyone else has had a chance to drive down the road, I mean, it was dusty, but I don't think, it wasn't as dusty as I thought it would be at the time, I'm sure it's different depending on what time of day you go and how the weather conditions are. I know that Joe Doucette and Tom have also been looking at the road closely and driving down it, so, and then I know that the residents went to the Board of Public Works meeting on May 19th, and I had spoken to Joe beforehand and he said that he was in touch with their engineer and consultant regarding the complaint, they were looking into things, providing ideas and potential solutions, and as well as doing the calcium chloride treatment, and then they provided this formal response memo, and in the meantime, I also spoke with Michelle Delmar from DEP, she's an environmental analyst that we call every now and then, the things that come up, she handles, you know, complaints for noise dust, and, you know, a lot of them are related to, well, she gets all of them, I mean, residential roads and, you know, like concrete plants and, you know, things like that, where there is a huge amount of dust that's being generated by some of these construction companies and things like that, so she's been doing that work for many years, and she, you know, was talking about the drought and how, you know, the lack of rain and moisture is causing so many problems with dust complaints and, you know, how severe the drought is and how it's, you know, really contributing to the problem, you know, spiraling. Weather patterns changing with, you know, less, fewer light, misty rains, which, you know, really help keep dust down in general in the environment, and, you know, more heavy downpours that don't really contribute as much to, you know, the overall moisture in the environment. Our top solution would be to pave the road, which eliminates the problem altogether, but other ideas, they could use some type of treatment to calm down the dust, like sodium or calcium chloride, and repeat as needed, which they did move forward with. Also, traffic calming is an option. I did notice signs out there, already on those roads, but I think, from what I hear, people cut through a lot, and so, you know, that can be a problem, but... I saw a sign that said 10 miles an hour. Yeah. That didn't look like it was an official sign. Right. I don't know whose sign that is, but I know that's a really good question. Is that an official sign? I don't know who put that sign there, but I saw that, too. You know, she also mentioned to consider rebraiding the road. You know, silica is in the environment everywhere. It's very prevalent. You know, as for health-related concerns, you know, people should contact their primary care physician if they have health risk concerns. You know, everyone has different health risks, conditions, exposures, habits. I spoke to both Joe Doucette and Tom Holder periodically in June, and then I did speak to Tom again today, and he said that they're doing things in the spirit of trying to address the residents' concerns. There is a contracted company working on Gleason Lane, and they can regrade Hazel Brook and Lincoln after Gleason is done, which he expects to be sometime over the summer, and that there are two companies where they can purchase some virgin material, and they were figuring out the details on their agenda again on the 28th of July. So, I don't know if the board had me. Who has the authority to pave it? That was going to be my question. That was my question. Dollar sign question. And I think there are probably people on that road that would enjoy the paving and other people that would definitely not enjoy the paving because it changed the whole character at the road. Yeah, because I remember there was maybe at least one person who came up to speak and said, I like how it's still a dirt road. Country road. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they worried that traffic would increase if it was paving. That's another thing. I don't think they have the money to pave it right now because Tom mentioned that that would be very expensive and their budget was reduced because of expected shortfalls with budgets going forward. So I think they're doing, you know, they're addressing the concerns, but I don't know that paving is the most popular idea. I don't know ultimately who would make that decision. I think they'd have to go through a process for sure with Board of Public Works and all that and the neighbors, I'm sure. Do you think that did they sort of reach a final conclusion that they're going to try to do the deposition the calcium chloride? They did it already. Okay, yeah, but like going forward, I mean, like I think I was reading it, it takes, it only takes one or two, like per season and it's... I think they're going to keep an eye on it, you know, to determine if it needs another treatment, but in the meantime, you know, they're going to be looking to regrade and use different material, so that would be a new experience, you know, how the new material will be, you know, and what the dust concerns, you know, how that will play out.
And that's more reasonable than repaving the whole road? According to Tom, yes. As far as, you know, the cost, I don't know. I'm sure they'll talk about it at their next board meeting. So, I guess... Sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, you go, you go. Are there any other dirt roads in the town? I know there's a little one connecting Route 126 to 27.
Oh, yeah, like Heather Street or Heather something road. There's also one that goes from, what's the name of the street?
From the town beach to the main road, whatever that road, Pemberton road. That's a dirt road, too. It's a short dirt road, though. I mean, it's like a small area, but there's houses in there, and there's a gate. You know, they use it to prevent people from cutting through when the beach is open. So, I don't know how many dirt roads there are in town, but there are probably more than one, I think. I'm just thinking because in terms of cost, if you're paving and then they'd have to look at offering it to everybody, right? Maybe. I don't know if there's other complaints about the other roads, you know. This one, I think it's a through way. It'll become like Leeson Lane and a through way, so the traffic would increase significantly on his, that's what they don't like. They don't like that possibility.
Yeah.
I don't know if anyone had any other comments, or that was just basically my investigation and facts finding. This is just, and I think I've shared this with all of you, Dr. Arnon, you probably have this. It's just the Happy Hollow School complaint. I wanted to just bring that up.
This came up on the 15th of June, so I just wanted to mention it from concerned staff members regarding environmental health and safety concerns. and so I have reached out to facilities and the building department to try to plan a discussion or meeting to talk about some of this stuff and figure out a strategy on where our role would lie and investigate some of these concerns. I know that facilities has been really busy with moving the children's way out into the other schools, so that's ongoing, I think, as we speak. So, just wanted to mention that.
What the missing part of the agenda, yeah, for that page, it's like double sided. Yeah, these ones are fun, but I think, um,
let's look it up and make sure I'm not missing anything.
When it's complaint about Happy Hollow, it's just the start of it, what you say, it's just to complain, then the women follow up the next steps. to, you know, the attention of the Board of Health, the facilities department, I sent a copy to the building department. So, what's the next steps? What happens after this? So, as I mentioned, I plan on meeting with facilities and probably the building to find out insight on some of these things and then probably do a site visit, you know, in the next, maybe in the next month, you know, I'm guessing before school starts for sure. So, try and, like, schedule a date to talk about it. I think I saw that there was some people that were complaining, like, they actually had, like, physical symptoms, maybe, to, like, headaches or runny nose after spending prolonged, which might be, I don't know, maybe, that might be good to, like, see, you know, how many people had, because that would maybe make it a little more. I mean, we investigate all complaints, so it's not going to go in a pile, but, you know, some of the indoor air quality concerns are investigated by the State Department of Public Health. They do an assessment, and they will do that. I don't know if anyone's requested one yet, but they will do that. There is no standard for mold. There are no standards in the state or EPA for mold and indoor air quality. That's what this whole debate at 157 box scan is about, and you know, we in the Health Department and the Board of Health have the State Sanitary Code, which is, you know, minimum standards of fitness for human habitation. And that code references, you know, repair work that's responsible by the owner of the property. In this case, you know, for the school, you know, anyway, we would look at, you know, what types of repairs need to be done. Are there, like, chronic sources of a leak? Is that repaired? You know, when we address things that are related to moisture and excessive or chronic moisture, moisture, we look at what needs to be fixed, what's causing the leak? You know, is it an air conditioning unit? Is it a ice dam that, you know, occurred over the winter? Has that been fixed? You know, is it going to happen again? Or is it a roof that needs repair? And then, you know, work needs to be done to repair whatever the damage was. But, you know, as far as mold goes, we don't have standards to compare mold reports. You know, if that's something that comes up, you know, that was something that came up for a 157 box scan. And once we look into it more, we'll find out, you know, what potential repairs might be needed. And usually it's a joint effort with a few, you know, departments and facilities very involved because they are the ultimately, they're the department that has to, you know, move forward with any repair work and figure out how it's going to get paid for. So, if you update it, yeah, I mean, I'm not, you know, saying that there aren't valid concerns at all. You know, I don't know. I haven't been in school recently. So, you know, we would definitely do an inspection to observe what we see, you know.
Was there a previous inspection done at, was it local? I just have recollection a couple years ago. Did you all do something at another? I think it was local, right? I think it was local, yeah. Yeah. Just a similar kind of thing that somebody goes in and just clarifies and confirms all these reports and then presents a report. Yeah, I mean, you know, we are, we're, I mean, although we're a separate entity, we, you know, would work with the other departments to try and figure out, you know, what the problems might be and potential solutions, you know, are there any past infestations and, you know, are they being addressed properly and, you know, various types of things that can come up, old buildings that need help. That's, you know, what the bottom line is. This building is very old too, so we're, you know, in the same boat. So, right now, the school has nobody and then in the fall, the children's way will move over?
I believe they're moving over as we speak. Oh, they're moving into this situation? Moving out of this building. Oh, okay. Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Anything else? I think we had a question about getting back to complaints. Sure. China Roche. Mm-hmm. Didn't we allow them or we didn't, didn't we? Sushi. There was a sushi permit, was it? Yep. If there was any problems,
weren't we, because there was a contingency of something there and now they're back with another complaint, if I remember correctly.
They are. Yes. We basically said, better clean up or there's going to be a bigger problem later on. I think at the time it was food handling. I mean, you know, the allergy situation, Beth was going to look into that as well, you know, as far as the nut allergy. But that's food handling, you know, just like any other situation. And then they said they had droppings, was the droppings in the sushi, or what was it? You know what I mean? It was in a takeout container.
So, valid questions.
I mean... How many times do we have to keep going back there before we do something a little bit more? I mean, it seems like we're seeing them more frequently than even with education. refrigeration in... I thought John had addressed the refrigeration. Did you say this one was also... There was a refrigeration concern or something? No, was that Royal? That was Royal Wave. Oh, yeah. That was in China Rose. Oh, okay. As far as I know, they didn't have a refrigeration unit issued this time. I mean, things do pop up in the summer, for sure.
No, but yeah, I agree with Bob. It's especially the allergy thing. If somebody with a... Yeah. Like I know someone with anaphylactic not allergy. Yeah, that's more than... Luckily, they didn't start eating the food without looking at it first, which I would never advise them to do, but still. I mean, we could send them a letter, you know, I don't have any thoughts right off the top of my head, but... Just how many more warnings do we give them before somebody gets hurt? That's kind of what I look at it is we continue to give them warnings.
Yeah. I mean, things pop up at restaurants for sure throughout the year. You know, when you have change of staff, you know, that is common. People need to be retrained, but they do have responsibilities as a permitted restaurant to have a knowledge of allergen safety, foods handling, and, you know, they should have a pest company on board, which they did not have, and now they're complying, you know, because Beth told them they had to have one. I mean, that's a no-brainer.
So, I mean, we had, you know, we did have a problem at 110 as well with the drain flies, but we haven't had problems recently that we know of. You know, it just seems like they keep coming back to us, you know, with a different complaint or whatever. Every three meetings, every third meeting. I mean, I can ask Beth what her thoughts are.
to the staff and the owner.
Yeah, I mean, she's taking care of it, but I think you maybe ask her how many more times do you need to address them to before something happens? Is it something that she sees being a future problem with all these complaints? Yeah. Just so we have it on record. Like, find out the circumstances around the allergy, lack of training, like, just making sure there's a standardized training process and address that. I don't know, but maybe finding out more information around the circumstances.
Right.
I think that's all I said. Do you have anything else?
What's our next meeting? Our next meeting is August 2nd? Oh, it's not on the agenda. It is August. It's the 10th? 10th, yes. Yeah, I won't be able to make that one.
Should I email you, Julia? If you would, that would be helpful. Thank you. Thanks.
We don't have anything else.
Motion to adjourn.
Motion to adjourn the meeting today? Second. Let's do a roll call. Dr. Genevieve Annan. Yes, thanks. Dr. Brett Morris here, Catherine Stook. Yes. And Dr. Bob De Francesco, meeting's adjourned. Thank you, everyone.