January 7, 2026 – Community Preservation Committee – Video & Transcript
January 7, 2026 - Community Preservation Committee
It's 6.33 on January 7th, 2026, and this is a meeting of the Community Preservation Committee.
I note the presence of a quorum, and I'm Susan Weinstein, Chair.
Please to be joined by Judy Ling on Zoom, and that's where the screen is, so that's why I'm doing that.
And Leslie Stewart and Maureen Cavanaugh and Kay Gardner-Westcott.
Good memory. Not really, but just got lucky.
So, today, we will invite public comment, and then we will discuss our recommendations to town meeting and the warrant articles to effectuate those.
And then we'll have any updates on projects and finances.
We'll review and vote on our minutes of December 3rd, and we'll have other business, if any.
I'm not aware of any topics that are not reasonably anticipated, but I'm open to them.
And then we will adjourn.
All right.
Okie dokie.
So, I'm pleased to report that I actually got the numbers for the set of sides and transfers from Brian A. Ebony.
And so, it will be the 10% are 145,862.
I was going to say you reported on them.
Okie.
Each for community housing, historic resources, and open space, and then that same amount to be transferred to the trust.
I confirmed the amount of the debt service as $374,032.
It's for Hamler?
Mainstone?
Mainstone.
Yes.
Mainstone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Same thing.
I know.
But not on the documents.
And then I wasn't sure if we wanted to put any in administrative expenses.
So, I just plugged in $50,000.
I'm sorry.
How much do we have in administrative now?
I wish I knew.
I thought we had a lot.
Yeah.
Maybe 80-something.
So, we didn't transfer any last year.
Right.
And we haven't used much.
No.
So, we probably don't want to.
I thought, didn't Doug say there's a certain amount?
It can't be more than 5% of your annual revenue.
Right.
Right.
So, well, how about we just change it to 20 and then we have a little something in case we need it.
I mean, there are studies happening around us.
So.
Yeah.
I mean, we've definitely referred to it.
Rather have it and not in meetings.
Same.
All right.
So, I can go to administrative.
Yeah.
But it does leave us with plenty in there.
I'm sure.
So, I will change that to 20,000.
Y'all have anything to say on this one?
No.
I reviewed it.
Looks great.
Appreciate it.
All right.
So.
Do you have an agenda?
For some reason, my online copy is not coming out.
Like, it's just.
Yes, I have extra copies.
But where I put them is called another question.
No.
I found it.
I've got it.
Give me one.
That's nice.
Oh, wait.
Hang on.
I think I've made a couple.
I think that's got minutes in it, too.
All right.
This is all one.
Oh, wait.
Here we go.
These are the articles.
Here's the agenda.
Do you have one?
I have an agenda.
Okay.
Okay.
So.
Is there a motion to approve the set asides and transfers article?
So moved.
I'm sorry.
For the, you know, 2026 annual town meeting.
All right.
There's been a motion.
I'll second that.
I appreciate that.
Any other discussion?
Let's vote.
Judy.
Awesome.
Kay.
Leslie.
Yes.
Maureen.
Yes.
Susan.
Yes.
Okay.
Yay.
We got one down.
Go us.
All right.
Next.
Projects.
No, I was impressed with a single warrant article.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I was opposed to it in concept, but it definitely flows.
I mean, it's like, I mean, it assumes that people have some knowledge.
Yeah.
Which is a little scary sometimes.
I think assumes that no one's going to object to one piece of it because one piece of it,
I guess you could, you could make a change on.
You could amend it.
Amend, remove that.
Remove it if it got too much discussion.
Right.
So anyhow, it was short and sweet.
Years of practice.
There we go.
I did want to share with you, and I'm sorry, Judy, I didn't send this to you, but we had
had some conversation about, and I can share my screen, I guess, putting it in a chart with
line items, and I did it, and I don't love it, but I sent it to Carol Martin because she
was the one who wanted us to, because she wanted us to, you know, see it.
I'm sorry.
I gave you the wrong thing.
Good Lord.
Did I not make enough copies?
No.
Here it is.
Here it is.
Here it is.
All right.
I think that with the, the clause about the, you know, reclaiming money and the thing with
the historic, you know, monitoring, I don't think it makes sense.
So I'm not advocating for this.
You measure chart now?
This one.
Yeah.
Okay.
It combines everything, and I don't think that it makes a lot of sense.
Judy, you're just catching.
So this is just the article description.
This doesn't have the other little things like reasons this would be opposed and things
like that.
Yeah.
I guess I didn't finish it, but I, because I, because I, because I got into doing this
and I was just like, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Yeah.
I mean, if it was just the projects, then maybe, but I think it gets, I think it's confusing
with the other stuff.
Yeah.
So the fact that.
Did you send it to me or are we doing a screen share or how are we doing this?
Did you get it?
I just sent you an email.
Let me check.
But you know what?
It really doesn't matter that much because I'm not advocating for us to do it.
Okay.
The fact that we were able to consolidate all the project appropriations into one article,
I think it makes it so that it's not going to take up a lot of room and they're not going
to complain about it.
So, so, so this has the set asides.
This combines are all into one article.
The chart ones.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes.
I will say, I think having the chart.
I like it.
I like it.
I, I don't know that we need to combine the, the set asides and the ones requesting
appropriations, but reading through the bolts and the one that you circulated, I thought
it's just a little confusing to me.
Well, I could, I mean, reformat this article description in the, in the, in the one like
this.
Appropriations article.
I need a visor.
It's a very bright room here.
I can't hear you.
It's so bright.
It's so loud.
Um, I, I thought for, are we discussing the articles?
Can I discuss this?
Or are you, whichever one you want?
Well, the one that, the one that you circulated to us.
Yeah.
That starts out with from this fund, blah, blah, blah, from this fund, but what it's for
is kind of buried in the narrative.
And at a minimum, I think they do well with a, like a, either like conservation department,
open space fund, and then, you know, then this narrative below it, and then conservation
department, uncommitted fund.
And cause I find I was, I was trying to, I was trying to piece it all together and it
was confusing to me.
Um, well, maybe it does make sense to put in the chart for the projects.
Does that have, it doesn't have much explanation, but, um, well, there's, yeah, I'll just see.
The other thing is who knows what town council is going to do with it, but we can, we can put
it in to try and make it clearer.
Yeah.
I mean, if you're not loving, if you feel like we need a little more explanation that
I think that the, the, the bullets or the letters or the subcategories could just use
a, like a little, like an introductory title or, uh, like, like one might say, like the first
one might say conservation department, open space fund, and then, and then include what
you, what you have here from the blah, blah, blah fund.
And then the second one would say conservation commission, uncommitted fund.
And the next one would say, you know, part of the public works, uncommitted fund.
Just because I find, I found that the way this is worded.
I, I was searching for trying to, I was trying to match up our minutes to all these articles
and going, well, and then I was like, well, what about the historic preservation one?
Is it, it's all kind of buried.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
It's just one person's comment.
Um, I mean, I think that's what happened from trying to combine everything.
Yeah.
Instead of having like one article that's about historic preservation and another article
that's about, I did like, I, I like, I like, I like the kind of cliff note version.
I do worry about one article or one item sinking the ship.
Mm-hmm.
But.
Well, there's not anything that is.
It's not.
Yeah.
There's so much money that it's.
There's not anything.
I mean, if there was, if there was something that was like.
A big $150,000 or something.
Or turf field or.
Yeah.
Well, some, but we can't do that.
But I mean, something, you know, might be open to discussion.
These are all pretty low hanging fruit in mind.
Everything is $75,000 or less.
Yeah.
My only concern for items that we have here is the money that we added to the trails, the
conservation properties.
The boardwalk.
Uh huh.
Or maybe it's the boardwalks.
Yeah.
Same thing.
And cause we pretty much doubled the amount because the only reason I'm concerned is
because the easement that was, that was meant to be placed on the neighboring property
hasn't been placed.
And I know conservation's had trouble getting, um, bites for the bid.
Um, they've been trying to get staff.
They, they reached out to an organization to get staff to, um, take on this project outside.
Um, and nobody's in the new application to, to, to be part of this, but so I'm just.
The trout broke one.
Yeah.
I'm worried about the York road.
Component because it's kind of a failure to launch and there's an easement issue.
I had thought that, um, Appalachian mountain club was going to be doing it.
Yeah.
I think.
I mean, not the easement.
The easement.
Yeah.
The easement wasn't resolved, but I thought it was.
It's not.
No.
I thought.
Okay.
Well.
So I have an update from Linda that's saying like the easement isn't a make or break, but
I just.
Because they can go a different way.
I guess because there is a conservation restriction on the property, which allows them
to use it.
And there's an existing trail, but it just seems like if any of them are going to be a problem,
that one could be, but although, although we've already allocated money to it in the prior
year.
Yeah.
But, um, it just seemed like.
Okay.
Well, I appreciate the flagging of that.
Yeah.
Um, I don't often find that trails are that controversial.
Information.
I know.
I also get a sense given the dollar amount on this and it's money that the town already
has.
There's nothing here.
I would think that anyone's going to stand up at the con mic before, but no.
And then, and then there's the three year time limit.
So presumably they would either reroute it or work out a deal with the property owner.
You did have to deal with somebody at the mic last year for a crazy reason.
That was just, um, well, I did like the one where I don't remember which year it was,
but they were challenging the amount of the estimated costs because they were counting
something twice.
Um, oh, I know it was, it was actually something about like linear or something like that.
That was yeah.
No.
Um, I actually do have, oh, since it's not all consolidated, nevermind.
In the one that we, if we were going with the chart, one that had everything in it, I
wasn't sure I had to do the estimated cost on that because the projects are taking from
the money, you know, anyway.
So I think it was put the person couldn't figure out where stones bridge was like, well, it's
at stones bridge.
Like what else can I say?
Sorry.
Okay.
Back on track.
On the trail.
Does it work?
Yeah.
Um, all right.
Well, no matter what we would like to, um, separate the set of size and transfers from
the projects.
Everybody okay with that?
Uh, yeah.
Unless I mean, is the, is the select board saying they want it all in one?
I think they wanted to just speak.
I think Carol wanted to see what it would look like.
And I think that, I think that there are enough like little clauses in this, that it, that
it makes sense to keep them separate.
All right.
Um, so if I reword this, oh, we actually have a, a substantive thing, but, um, to, I can
reorganize words on this page to make it stand out more about what the article is about.
Right.
Yep.
Okay.
Yeah.
So we're a little, a little italics or is that some formatting?
Here's the thing about lawyer.
It's good.
We have you.
So, but it's going to go to town council and they can do what they want.
Um, all right.
So the, I think that we are okay on everything except for that.
We need to talk about the Dudley pond.
Oh, did Abby come?
Yeah.
Yeah.
She was on there.
Oh, she was?
Yeah.
I just lost Robbie.
And it says view.
Okay.
All right.
We're going to try and do this.
No idea if it's going to work.
I'm going to find Robbie.
I can't, he can't be that far.
Participants.
Abby.
Okay.
I'll go to.
Go to the analyst.
See if that works.
You're over.
Send Abby on over.
These lights are crazy.
I want one of those green visors.
I said I need a visor.
Yeah.
It also makes it really hard to see my computer.
Do you have blue eyes?
Do we do?
Yeah.
Yes.
Hi, it worked.
Hey.
Good job.
All right.
Thanks for joining us.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And I want to say thank you to Kay for encouraging me to sort of relook at this and refocus it
a little bit.
You did your homework beautifully.
Thank you.
I do love my homework.
I did like your homework.
I do.
Which does remind me that there was one other piece of homework that you took care of.
So we'll get to that.
Um, so Abby, thank you for all your work to help us make this work.
Um, I forwarded it to people.
Did they, did they get?
So yeah, I did get it.
Your email.
You guys have this chart.
Yes.
Okay.
There's a lot of information.
Yeah.
Little tiny letters.
Little tiny letters.
Oh, good.
Where's my name?
But colorful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Look, that counts for something.
Great color scheme.
Oh, good.
Made it that I had to print it all.
Um, and then the other thing was, um, a new description and, uh, some reports from
the Community Preservation Coalition website of other projects, projects in other locales,
as we might say.
All right.
So, um, the new request, the amended request now totals 123,000.
Is that right?
That's correct.
Okay.
I refocus the sections on the outcomes more, you know, pulling out really what the purpose
of each phase was really going to be and then transferring the equipment purchases into
some of the DPW matching and refocusing some of the descriptions on projects that were similar
in other towns, like the nutrient removal and the pond management specifically.
Yeah.
Um, I need to start using sticky notes, which things I've done for what does it make copies
for other people and I make copies for me.
All right.
Uh, so the gist of it is that we're trying to, uh, we're making this more clearly that it's
about recreation using the pond for recreation purposes.
That's correct.
Yeah.
Because it's a great, you know, a great pond.
Um, and has that.
It's a heck of a pond.
It's a heck of a pond, but specifically it's a Massachusetts great pond.
I appreciate it.
We're excited for this new year.
It's just, but it's, but you're saying it's also technically called a great pond because
of the size.
That's correct.
That's correct.
So it does mean that the public, um, has, you know, access to it and that it is to be
preserved, um, as a, um, public resource.
And then, um, in terms of public accessing it, um, people have, um, their own private docs,
but there's also a public doc.
Is that, I don't remember what this, what the scheme is there.
There's actually several parcels around the pond, which are town owned.
Um, uh, in addition to things like it being a resource near the Dudley pond, uh, walking
trails and things like that, but there is now the boat ramp that was installed.
Um, additionally, there is the mansion beach area and there are, um, several parks department,
uh, parcels in that area.
Uh, so we've been kind of wanting to look at it in terms of, are there viewing areas?
Are there, um, additional walking paths that we can add to, uh, the landscape?
Uh, what are the things we can do?
Because the town does own several parcels in the watershed.
Okay.
Um, and then in terms of the historic, okay, what are we looking at here?
Well, we know that, um, Dudley pond had mansion in and had the shaft.
It has, um, native American home area, a camping area at the, um, the, uh,
where the native Americans came to be buried.
Um, so there's a lot of history around that.
Um, mentioned in, uh, Evangeline Simpson, uh, Mars, Evangeline Morris Simpson, uh, wrote
a book and she describes quite a bit of, of the area and so forth.
So it seems to us that there is history there that needs to be recognized and, and used
as recreation as, as, uh, Abby says.
And so it's to be considered.
We might want to include signage, like we're doing at Castle Gate Road about the area.
And there's an area that's particularly you want to emphasize.
I think Castle Gate Road would take care of the mansion in, so we wouldn't have to worry
about that, but, um, we might want to put up a sign at Rocky Point or something about
the native Americans and how they use the pond, that kind of thing.
And we can only put up signs in connection with projects.
Yes, ma'am.
This is a survey.
I know.
So it would be later.
It's coming back.
I'm assuming if she gets the survey then to do a project.
All right.
Um, so what kind of questions do people have?
I wasn't able to parse through everything that Stuart did.
Mm-hmm.
Is this, so I'm going to look to you, our chair and attorney.
Um, do these things seem to fall into those?
Um, I think one of the issues is that, that studies need to be in relation to projects.
But also, um, I think you have to be able to do studies to assess what's the best location
for a project.
So I think that, that that's okay because part of this is assessing, but, but what Abby was
able to see is that other towns have interpreted liberally.
Um, and so since there's that precedent, then we should be okay.
I think assessing for the projects that she's already mentioned that the trails and so forth
is really quite important.
And I believe that's what you're asking for is to do that survey.
Are you asking for more than that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because part of it is, um, the, having the water be of a, an appropriate quality for
recreational activities.
Exactly.
And we, we know that when the camps were set up there, that's when the, uh, the pond became
more polluted and that's historical.
That's a very important part of the, uh, issue with the pond.
So she's trying to preserve what's good that's left in the pond, as well as perhaps rehabilitate
it back to the point where it's better than it is currently.
Yeah.
We have to be careful about rehabilitating.
Wrong word.
You were doing very well.
Yeah.
Well, I think if we preserve the pond, we'll rehabilitate itself.
It's not that we're rehabilitating the pond.
Really, as we preserve the area, the pond will be able to take care of itself.
It's not like we're going to go in and actually do water treatment as a part of the project.
It's really the preservation ends up rehabilitate, rehabilitating the area.
Um, and, uh, sorry.
But none of this.
None of this is.
Oh, I know what I was going to say.
Another part that Susan and I did talk about is that the town for years has had a very large
and comprehensive stormwater management plan.
And that the town manages the stormwater infrastructure.
That's really part of what used to be the highway department and is now the Department of Public Works.
That there are some areas around Dudley Pond where we don't have a good handle on that.
The surface water quality committee did some work.
Um, there are some other areas from other departments.
I think that these studies will also help inform DPW projects.
So it's not that all of these projects will in the end have to be completed with CPC funds or even that the O&M will be completed with CPC funds.
That once we are able to study these areas, understand them, that we'll be able to move them into the DPW purview as well.
Yes. However, the driving force here is that we want to have the pond and around it have appropriate recreational activities.
Yeah. So that's what we're going to, that's what we're going to stick with.
Yes. And, you know, and again, like part of that great pond definition is the historic resource of the pond and the access and expectation that it is a public resource as well.
Okay. All right. So, um, I don't remember in the previous iteration.
Do you remember, uh, how much DPW's commitment was?
It's approximately the same.
Okay. Yeah.
Cause in order to, this is very, to me, having had this opportunity to reflect and read more.
It's very much, I understand that there are historical implications and there are other implications for the town.
Um, but to me, this is a related to, uh, development of recreational opportunities for the town.
That's fair. Yes.
Thank you.
Um, and the others are incidental.
Yeah, that's true.
It's never incidental.
In terms of the CPC definition, this did fit best, I felt, into the recognition.
If, if, if we need to carve it up and make some of it come from historic, we could do that, but.
The stakes will be repeated if we don't pay attention to the history of it.
Well, I agree with that, but, um, but I think that it's cleanest if we.
The cleaning, the swimming, the boating, all that is all recreational, the walks.
Um, I don't know. Are you, this is just a survey.
So you would see, would you see how many private properties would might be involved in this recreational path?
Um, sorry. Can you say that again?
Uh, hold on one second. Let me.
Let me, let me tell somebody to be quiet.
So in the start of management, everything, um, the private properties in the trails.
No, I, my, my initial step will be to review the town owned properties.
There's many town owned properties in and amongst the watershed.
So the goal will be to look at those properties.
Um, if there are other properties or there are, are some.
Parcels in the area that are unowned.
Um, or no longer.
So if we were going to potentially.
Appropriate new parcels.
Um, we could also look at what some of those are as well.
As well. I appreciate the past going around.
I know you can't walk all the way around without either.
Moving back to the street or crossing.
Private land.
So.
Are there stretches where it's really long enough to be a.
Pathway or walk away for.
She has to study this.
Oh, that's what I'm asking.
Is that what she's going to find out?
I think there are, um, in the Dudley road area.
You know, is it, is it possible to extend possibly the, um.
Uh, the Dudley woods area, for example.
There's many parcels over there.
What.
So what do you mean?
Things are unowned.
Um.
That there are small parcels that are undevelopable.
That.
Um.
Don't have a current owner to them.
Hmm.
Hmm.
So if, if the town wanted to.
Take them.
There wouldn't be anybody to have to pay.
That's true.
Um.
Sometimes we don't want them, but.
And that's not the focus of what we're talking about. No, that's true. It's not. But yeah. I was just confused. Cause I can't imagine anything being unowned. Kind of bring it back home. Okay. There are parcels people don't. Ramp now is unowned property. It could be wet. Like a wet wetland type area that nobody can do anything with. Essentially. Oh. But that is. Okay. I appreciate the clarification. I'm keeping my mouth shut. Well, you can, you can open your mouth and make a motion if you want to. Well, I make a motion that we should reconsider this proposal to study for recreational areas. How about if we recommend the town meeting. Yes. I'm sorry. Uh, the amount of $123,000 for, uh, studies for the DPW to assess recreational opportunities. Yes. Thank you. That work for you. That works for me. Abby. Yeah, it works. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Hey, look, it's Sean. Hi, Sean. That's the fastest conservation commissioning we've ever had of the 11 years I've been on it. I believe I'm here in time. That's the truth. So Sean, I don't know if you heard, but, um, this is about the deadly pond study. Okay. We're, we're, we're assessing for, uh, recreational opportunities and, uh, improvements that would enhance recreational use of the great pond known as Dudley. Okay. So the amount being requested is $123,000. There's been a motion, but no second. Oh, I second. Thank you. Is there any other discussion y'all? All right. We will do a roll call vote cause we have to. Kay. Yes. Leslie. Yes. Sean. Oh, thanks. I'm just coming onto this one. Mid cycle. So I'm sorry. You're abstaining. Yeah. Gotcha. Judy. We vote yes. Thank you. Maureen. Yes. And I'm a yes. Yay. Thank you, Abby. Appreciate all your work on this. Of course. And I know once it gets approved, your work has just begun. Oh, that's work I've been wanting to do for a while now. So it's very exciting. All right. Well, thank you for making the time to spend it with us. Thank you. All right. Have a nice, have a good night. Thank you. Bye. All right. So. Hello. I saw that. So this needs to get changed. Do we have to add the cat on as attendee? Mr. Freckles. What's the cat's name? Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Can you spell that for Maureen? Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Okay. So we're changing that from 116 to 123. Well, I had 23. So I just have to add a one. Is it 123? Yeah. Yeah. All right. And the other thing that I thought needed discussion was just that we wanted to plug in a number for archeological monitoring of various projects. And I will share with you that there's some confusion about when monitoring is required. So I have submitted a request to the town manager's office that they clarify this, presumably with the support of town council. But my, I think what I'm getting from like the different discussions is that there are possibly actions that in other locations would not require monitoring. But because Wayland has so many sites that are of sensitive historical importance that it does then trigger the need to have a monitor. That's my sense. So we'll see whether that comes back as, as accurate or not. But. Do you, do you have a sense town, town council and town manager would know how to respond to that? I think town council would, or that they would find out. Hmm. My, in my experience with, with monitoring, what's required is if there's any state or federal action. And we do the PA all where I work does monitoring all the time, but it's because there's a state or federal action on a project. It's not required for local funding or private funding. So it would have to be, I would guess a directive from the town that thou shalt do this. But I don't think it's, I don't think town council is going to find it in this book somewhere that they, it needs to be done. What it, well, I mean, municipalities are, are what's the word I'm looking for units of the state, but it depends on how it's written. But it may be that if something is on a particular register. Right. Nope. Nope. If your house was a national historic landmark, you could demolish it with private funds. But public funds. On public land. Top town, top town. Yeah. Yeah. Could. I mean, it's, it's the, the, the laws are written for that protect historic above and below ground resources are at the state and federal level. And anything at the local level has to be like a local ordinance. Yeah. So, so I, I'll be interested to hear what they say. There's nothing to say that. I mean, we should be doing it, but I don't know that they're going to find case law that says you have to. Okay. Well, I'm not archeologist. I just work with 40 of them. If we put it as a condition, then it is a requirement. Yes. Yes. Then, then yes. But it would be nice for us to have something that we can say, this is why we're doing it. You know, I mean, this gives us authority. Yeah. I'm not knowing anything about this. I'm going to talk. You can, you can be our new expert. I know. Okay. For, on, on these sites, is there a special restriction or registration? You said register. I was thinking that, you know, some of these sites may have some sort of. Well, some of these sites, I think are near or close enough to registered sites for the state that, although it wasn't the original site that was the archeologist examined. Right. But it's close enough that, you know, probability there is. Yeah. Things in underground. Right. That would be of interest. Yeah. And I mean, that's especially important, you know, near a river or. I'm sorry. Near a river. Well, yes. Any, any, anywhere that people lived. Yeah. Right. So it might be just Wayland specific. I mean, Wayland has so many ponds in the river that it's kind of hard to get away from any place that doesn't have water in any distance. And especially, and we have, even though we don't have mountains, we have hills. And a lot of times the community would be up on a hill, they'd go down and get the water and then bring it back up. So between the hills and the water is kind of hard to say that there's any dead bodies along the way. Yeah. Fine bits of artifacts. Well, it depends on how big a group is actually settling in that particular area. It could be a hundred people there, or it could be 25 people there. It's hard to know until you do your research, which means archeology. Okay. So is there a metrics to know the, how would an applicant know? Is there like a, an overlay map for Wayland that, Hey, anything in this area? Well, that has been a discussion that we've had with the state before I came on board. And they do not want the public to know where these sites are. And in order for anybody to know whether those sites are, they have to, they should come to the commission and ask. And we can tell them whether it is not. Could, could we just assign? No, I guess. So you can't assign just like a blanket amount of money to the historic commission. Well, we, I mean, that's what, that's what, that's what, that's what I'm proposing. Right, right, right. That's what I, she proposed a blanket. Oh, got it. A fund or a, I forgot where I put it, but. So in terms of recorded sites, as Kay was referring to, archeological surveys are done for, when required for developments. But they can also, it can be avocational findings or it can be professional findings. And those get reported to the state archeologist. I also worked in that office. And then they get recorded on a map, a map that's secret. As you know, I don't, I mean, I, I do have access to it, but it will, it will, let's say the site was town hall. There'll be a, there'll be a site. And then there's a big box around it that goes way far out with the, that it has the potential to have sites within that site. And those are called recorded or known sites. Often when there's a site, they'll pull the form and it's just someone walking through the field found, you know, an arrowhead. I know, I think they're called points projectile point. I know. Sorry. I'm again, not an archeologist, but some towns do an entire sensitivity assessment for the whole town. PAL has worked on those where the whole town is sensitized. So, you know, areas that are, they, they, they evaluate land for being highly sensitive, moderately sensitive and little sensitivity. So cloud fields or, you know, around an industrial complex, they, then you do two maps. One is for prehistoric, you know, before contact. And one is for historic, which would be, you know, like even around, even around a mill, you're going to have sensitivity for historic for, you know, there's going to be resources for that. But again, that's a town can do that. And then a town can enact something that says, you know, anytime anyone puts a shovel in the ground in an area that's highly or moderately sensitive, we want to have a monitor or a survey, whatever, but there's, but, but right now in mass in Wayland, it's not required. It's not required in any town that doesn't have some sort of ordinance that requires it. That's how, you know, we, we created a form that we wanted to give to all the departments that would say, reminder, if you're doing X, Y, or Z, you should contact us and see. If we have any involvement in it. And that was created before Michael McCall came, but he did get a copy shortly after he came. And as far as I know, it has never been implemented. We did it more so that people aren't concerned at the last minute when they come for CTA money or to do their regular job, say in conservation or something. And then all of a sudden we come in and say, wait a minute, we need to talk about this. That delays the whole project because they've done their planning before they vote on it. And we were hoping to avoid that, but that hasn't happened yet. So if we can continue to recommend that they do that, or we could try and do a sensitivity of the town, the whole town, and then people would know. They don't have, you know, exactly what was going on. It could be eligible for CPC funds or CPA funds. Yeah. We're doing it for Westport. PAL is working on it for Westport. What's the thoughts? Pardon me? What's the thoughts for Westport? Oh, I'm sure it's not cheap. It's a huge undertaking. Can you imagine having archeologists sort of walk? I mean, they do it. Sean, to answer your question about, you know, is there a metric? There's a whole scientific rubric for how they evaluate it. You know, near water, dry land, elevation. So they do that sort of at a desktop level. And then areas that are highly sensitive, they walk over to evaluate them for prior disturbance. And then they, then they refine it. So I'm not sure I can find out. Let me give you another example. When they wanted to build the storage units over by Domlin's. Well, that really was next to a sensitive site. So we were all ready to come in and say, wait a minute. But of course, how would they know? Because they don't have access to the map, which is your point, Sean. And, and I agree. We, we even offered that we would let Brandon have access, but nobody else. Everybody had to go through him and they still wouldn't let us do it. So. Who's the they? Okay. The state. The state. So you're saying right now, Michael McCall has a copy of this, this map or whatever. It's not a map. It's a form. It's just a form saying that if you do X, Y, or Z, you should stop. And in your planning, you should stop and talk to us. So that we don't delay anything. Right. I guess, you know, I, I know they were, and I hope still are having a land use meetings, whether it's weekly or bi-week or whatever they do. And so if there's a way to get whatever information shows where these, these places are in theory, in an efficient use of a meeting, Michael or whomever has the key to the kingdom. They might say, hey, by the way, just, you know, you, these two projects here actually going to trigger an archeological survey. So you mean, but that'd be an ideal spot to do that. But I can just. I think, I think, I think what they need to do in that meeting is when they're talking about things say, oh, remember that you need to go to the historical commission and make sure that we're not planning something for an area where we shouldn't be planning instead of, you know, potentially, you know, revealing things that would open sites up to pilfering. Exactly. Or grave robbing or whatever we. I mean, the problem is because it's not sort of codified. It's going to be inconsistent from department department, unless it was something that you had to do, you know, you hire someone new in the building department. They're not going to know about it unless it's something, unless it's a check, you know, it's a checklist. There's a checklist and it's one of the things you have to check off. So I think that's why. Yeah. That's why we created the form. Yeah. So because people don't think of that, that isn't on the top of their choices of things to do when they're planning. And we just, as a gentle reminder. So are there places in, I think I know the answer, but are there sites in Wayland where if somebody, if, if a town department wanted to be digging that they wouldn't need to have a monitor? I don't know. Cause I don't have access to the map. So they would have to have a specific site and then that would get submitted to find out if it's a. I mean, Tanya Largi has access. It's a database. It's the Massachusetts cultural resource information system database. It's online. I have access to the above ground. I'm sure I could ask one of the 40 archeologists I work for, for their password and have access to the below ground. But I, I have them checked out for projects I'm working on. But it's, it's, it's, you know. Sonya's planning on leaving the commission. Right. Sonya's planning to take it. It's an archeologist. Cause it's an archeology information. And again, it's very limited. I don't think we can depend on just one person. Right. No, absolutely. All right. All right. So. Uh, so the question was how much to allocate and how much allocate for a yearly worth of services is kind of the thought. Uh, the way that I had, but it was, um, associated with the projects in this, uh, article. Yep. And so, I mean, rounding up, it's basically a hundred dollars an hour. So would, do you think that this would be enough? It would 25,000 be enough? You know, I don't know what's involved in the project. So I, I don't feel comfortable saying yes or no to that. Okay. Well, we'll put it this way. Is there a different number you would rather have? How much did you say? 25,000. Uh, and again, that depends. Um, it's 250. Part of the, that's a lot of hours. How many hours, how big is this project? I mean, I mean, that's. Well, if you're, if you're, um, planning something and the person that you hired to do it says, Oh, I'm not coming in today, but he's already made arrangements with the archeologist come and monitor. Um, I don't know how long I don't dig in any place. So I don't really know how long it takes. Well, this is none. But, but this amount could at least get us through the first year. And then. A hundred dollars. And there's 25,000. That's how many? 250. Right. 250 hours. And how many projects do we have? So we have. So we have the trees at herd farm, the loose dry for cow common, which I don't think is implicated. The, uh, trees, uh, cultivating pine trees. So that would be at sedge meadow, uh, until they were transplanted elsewhere. Uh, the boardwalks at Hamlin woods and trout brook. That's a study. I mean, we've never, we've never done it before. And then grout heard. So if, I mean, we've never, we've never included this as an article. We, we included 15,000 previously, but that was part of the one article. Wasn't it? It wasn't a set of standalone. Um, it wasn't, uh, associated with a specific project, but brush removal, a hedge. There were a couple. And as we did it with, um, Sherman's bridge, uh, trail, something there. Okay. I was just gonna say, I think this might be a number to start with. Like you were saying, Leslie, and see where it gets us through the year. And it certainly gives us a better idea of how long it actually takes to achieve the goal. But again, that depends on the people that are hired. I'm assuming they're out for some of the bigger projects. They're hiring someone to come in and do that. Cause we don't have the equipment to do it. Right. I mean, I don't think you could ask an archeologist how long. So it's going to, if, if, you know, if the, if the brush clearing takes. Three, eight hour days, then that's 24 hours, but you can't, you couldn't ask. Right now. You can't ask the brush clear or an archeologist. How much time do you have to spend there? Yeah. But if they have a better idea, once they see what the job is, how long it's going to take them to do it. There may not be the exact number of hours, but they certainly have a better idea than I do on how long it takes to do something. So I think this is a good start and we may reduce it. And. If something is in wetlands. Something what? If it. If something is in wetlands. Oh, wetlands. Yes. Does that. Less, probably a little less likely. Yeah. Or really disturbed areas. Like. The new Wayland center. Probably less likely. Okay. I can't imagine it's going to be more than, I mean, because two of the things we have in here are studies. So they're not doing any, anything with ground anyway. Another one is grout heard and they better figure it out. And that's not a very long. Piece of land. Tanya had said she would do it anyway. And so then that just leaves the boardwalks and the trees and the cow common, which I think is wetlands and then the other trees. Right. So. And the nice thing, too, about this is that currently we have someone who's willing, if she's given enough notice, to do it for free. But we can't always depend on that because of the person's age and health and so forth. And I don't think we should ever. Depend on. I don't think we should ever assume that volunteers are going to do. Exactly. To be paid for. I'm okay with 25,000. I think that, I mean, you had said it was 75 to 95. So I rounded up to a hundred. That's still, it seems like it's a lot of hours. Yeah. I think you're, I tend to agree. Okay. After much discussion. It's been discussed. So that's good. All right. So that puts us at the way that the draft was distributed. Except that in part C, it's now 123,000. And we're agreed that it's going to be 25,000. So the only change I think is the 123. Is that right? Yes. And assuming that I can make it cleaner, which I would really like to not have to have a whole meeting about. Next Wednesday. Yeah. Um, you guys comfortable with this article. I am. Thank you for your work on it. All right. So is there a motion to submit the project appropriations article as discussed. So moved. I'll second back. All right. Sean can join. All right. Uh, if there's no other discussion, we'll vote Judy. Sean. Yes. Okay. Yes. Leslie. Yes. Maureen. Yes. Susan. Yes. Yay. All right. Thank you. Thank you for thanking me. Uh, okay. Um, I did receive the, um, most updated spreadsheet from Brian Keveney with the, you know, all of the projects and all of that. And I don't understand it. So it'll have to wait for Doug to come back. Or, um, I did send Brian, like, am I reading this right kind of thing? I'm happy to share it with other people. It's Brian was like, look in column A T. Okay. Thanks. Um, so I did receive it. Presumably we'll be able to tell how much is in there. Um, and I'm happy to share it with other people just so they can see if they understand it either. All right. Um, are there any project updates that people want to share? Uh, the, again, the signs are with the designer. She's in the process of doing that. We're waiting for permission to use, um, some images on the sign that we don't own that other people own. Uh, as far as the text is concerned, there was text written, but I don't know if it's changed or not. So that's as far as I know about the signs. I don't remember. Are they crediting the community preservation act at all? Well, it depends. Here's the iffy. When they did the trail signs. They were limited to the number of signs and they had three signs left over. We're using the funding for those three signs to do our signs. So whether that pays for the whole thing installation and, and the purchase of the sign and everything is now being reviewed. If it does, then maybe we'll just return back the money that is unused because there isn't enough money in there to do any portion of that. So I have no idea. Okay. So no. Unless there's an act of God, it's like herding cats. Sometimes you're trying to get everything all in an order for meeting time. And don't I know it? Not everybody answers in a timely manner. Sebi. Oh, no. But we still have Sean. So we still have a quorum. Thank you. All right. I guess she didn't want to vote on the minutes. Maybe she's still here and we just can't say her. I can go look and see if she's a participant. Oh, here she is. Oh, good. I had to go get something. All right. Welcome back. Robbie too. All right. Minutes of December 3rd. Yes. I have an edit. Once I wrote, I have an edit. The meeting started at 630, not seven. The town clerk's office has circulated a new template to be used for all minutes and agendas. So I was sort of backing into this form and I think the seven o'clock was a placeholder. I think you're right. Anyhow. But the year is right. So that's good. The day, everything's right. Just not the time. So that's my one. It's so weird that you, that that goes up at the top. Anyway. Well, I, the whole way it's laid out, it just, and the, and the, and the, the way the font changes and the, and the point sizes and the margins, it was driving me. The thought was Calibri or how everyone says that. Garamond. No, no, no, no. I called up. I, I asked, um, Trudy, does it have to be that font? And she said, no. Oh, good. Yeah. Good. Cause I ate that font. She thought that was funny. She would love that. I am a Garamond gal. And if I have to be, you know, song serif, then I'll do aerial. So. Don't you comic sans us? No. I don't do comic sans. Sometimes I do impact. Anyway. I think Times New Roman is clunky. Old move. We all have our hangups. That is mine. It's not that bad. All right. Um, are there other amendments or suggestions? I have. I. I took that off. Oh, okay. In this version. Did you take her name off? No. Does anyone know who this Ann Zakarian is? Ann Zakarian. I have her on the sign in list. I read. It's my writing. We had somebody at the desk. Do you remember? That was Tanya. There were people that were sitting down that were going to another meeting. Yeah. I wondered if she was one of them. I wrote down. I have Tanya Largy. Emily Cure. Kath. Katherine Brennan. Brenna. Rick Kennard. Robbie. And Ann Zakarian. And then I was like, I don't know who she is. There was somebody who was hanging out. But then I think they. She wanted to be. Ann Zakarian. Maybe. But it's my writing. It's not like we had a sign in sheet that they signed. Oh. I think I'm going to take it off. Okay. I'm good with that. Second edit. Two edits. Another one. You edit yourself. All right. As I do that too. All right. Other than Maureen's edits of Maureen's writings. Are there any other edits? Is there a motion to approve the minutes of December 3rd, 2025 as amended? So moved. Thank you. I'll second that. Awesome. All right. Sean. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Judy. Did she say yes? Yes. Okay. Yes. Yes. Maureen. Yes. Okay. Good. Thank you very much. And we would like to invite everyone to come and participate. And I think that it doesn't hurt to announce upcoming programs, not only just what the commission is supporting at these meetings so that the boards and the public listening have a chance to realize it's happening since we don't have any town calendar per se. Well, my son is the lead in the school play. In two weeks. No. What's his name? Seussicle Junior. Oh, good job. Play Horton the Elephant. But there is a 250th website attached to the town website. So people can look there in the future, but. When is the Deborah Sampson thing? What? When is the Deborah Sampson thing? Two o'clock Sunday at the Vokes Theater. I did just see a notification about that. Do I need to get a ticket or? Unfortunately, there was a lot of problems with getting the registration set up. So there is no tickets. There are 200. No, there's 140 seats available. Volunteers are guaranteed a seat, but for volunteers for parking or greeters at the door and so on and so forth are guaranteed a seat, but they're the only ones that are guaranteed that's first come, first serve. Yeah. All right. Because my daughter may be interested in that. Well, I think that a lot of people would be interested. Adults and middle and high school students should. It's a fun way to get introduced to history and it's their history. She's a Massachusetts lady. So why not come and find out more? What time you say? I'm sorry. Two o'clock on Sunday. For a friend. Cool. All right. Any other announcements from folks about votes? Is there a motion to adjourn at 741 PM? So moved. Thank you. So second. Thank you. All right. Let's vote then. Maureen. Yes. Leslie. Yes. Kay. Yes. Judy. Yes. John. Yes.
And that's not the focus of what we're talking about. No, that's true. It's not. But yeah. I was just confused. Cause I can't imagine anything being unowned. Kind of bring it back home. Okay. There are parcels people don't. Ramp now is unowned property. It could be wet. Like a wet wetland type area that nobody can do anything with. Essentially. Oh. But that is. Okay. I appreciate the clarification. I'm keeping my mouth shut. Well, you can, you can open your mouth and make a motion if you want to. Well, I make a motion that we should reconsider this proposal to study for recreational areas. How about if we recommend the town meeting. Yes. I'm sorry. Uh, the amount of $123,000 for, uh, studies for the DPW to assess recreational opportunities. Yes. Thank you. That work for you. That works for me. Abby. Yeah, it works. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Hey, look, it's Sean. Hi, Sean. That's the fastest conservation commissioning we've ever had of the 11 years I've been on it. I believe I'm here in time. That's the truth. So Sean, I don't know if you heard, but, um, this is about the deadly pond study. Okay. We're, we're, we're assessing for, uh, recreational opportunities and, uh, improvements that would enhance recreational use of the great pond known as Dudley. Okay. So the amount being requested is $123,000. There's been a motion, but no second. Oh, I second. Thank you. Is there any other discussion y'all? All right. We will do a roll call vote cause we have to. Kay. Yes. Leslie. Yes. Sean. Oh, thanks. I'm just coming onto this one. Mid cycle. So I'm sorry. You're abstaining. Yeah. Gotcha. Judy. We vote yes. Thank you. Maureen. Yes. And I'm a yes. Yay. Thank you, Abby. Appreciate all your work on this. Of course. And I know once it gets approved, your work has just begun. Oh, that's work I've been wanting to do for a while now. So it's very exciting. All right. Well, thank you for making the time to spend it with us. Thank you. All right. Have a nice, have a good night. Thank you. Bye. All right. So. Hello. I saw that. So this needs to get changed. Do we have to add the cat on as attendee? Mr. Freckles. What's the cat's name? Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Can you spell that for Maureen? Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Zebi. Okay. So we're changing that from 116 to 123. Well, I had 23. So I just have to add a one. Is it 123? Yeah. Yeah. All right. And the other thing that I thought needed discussion was just that we wanted to plug in a number for archeological monitoring of various projects. And I will share with you that there's some confusion about when monitoring is required. So I have submitted a request to the town manager's office that they clarify this, presumably with the support of town council. But my, I think what I'm getting from like the different discussions is that there are possibly actions that in other locations would not require monitoring. But because Wayland has so many sites that are of sensitive historical importance that it does then trigger the need to have a monitor. That's my sense. So we'll see whether that comes back as, as accurate or not. But. Do you, do you have a sense town, town council and town manager would know how to respond to that? I think town council would, or that they would find out. Hmm. My, in my experience with, with monitoring, what's required is if there's any state or federal action. And we do the PA all where I work does monitoring all the time, but it's because there's a state or federal action on a project. It's not required for local funding or private funding. So it would have to be, I would guess a directive from the town that thou shalt do this. But I don't think it's, I don't think town council is going to find it in this book somewhere that they, it needs to be done. What it, well, I mean, municipalities are, are what's the word I'm looking for units of the state, but it depends on how it's written. But it may be that if something is on a particular register. Right. Nope. Nope. If your house was a national historic landmark, you could demolish it with private funds. But public funds. On public land. Top town, top town. Yeah. Yeah. Could. I mean, it's, it's the, the, the laws are written for that protect historic above and below ground resources are at the state and federal level. And anything at the local level has to be like a local ordinance. Yeah. So, so I, I'll be interested to hear what they say. There's nothing to say that. I mean, we should be doing it, but I don't know that they're going to find case law that says you have to. Okay. Well, I'm not archeologist. I just work with 40 of them. If we put it as a condition, then it is a requirement. Yes. Yes. Then, then yes. But it would be nice for us to have something that we can say, this is why we're doing it. You know, I mean, this gives us authority. Yeah. I'm not knowing anything about this. I'm going to talk. You can, you can be our new expert. I know. Okay. For, on, on these sites, is there a special restriction or registration? You said register. I was thinking that, you know, some of these sites may have some sort of. Well, some of these sites, I think are near or close enough to registered sites for the state that, although it wasn't the original site that was the archeologist examined. Right. But it's close enough that, you know, probability there is. Yeah. Things in underground. Right. That would be of interest. Yeah. And I mean, that's especially important, you know, near a river or. I'm sorry. Near a river. Well, yes. Any, any, anywhere that people lived. Yeah. Right. So it might be just Wayland specific. I mean, Wayland has so many ponds in the river that it's kind of hard to get away from any place that doesn't have water in any distance. And especially, and we have, even though we don't have mountains, we have hills. And a lot of times the community would be up on a hill, they'd go down and get the water and then bring it back up. So between the hills and the water is kind of hard to say that there's any dead bodies along the way. Yeah. Fine bits of artifacts. Well, it depends on how big a group is actually settling in that particular area. It could be a hundred people there, or it could be 25 people there. It's hard to know until you do your research, which means archeology. Okay. So is there a metrics to know the, how would an applicant know? Is there like a, an overlay map for Wayland that, Hey, anything in this area? Well, that has been a discussion that we've had with the state before I came on board. And they do not want the public to know where these sites are. And in order for anybody to know whether those sites are, they have to, they should come to the commission and ask. And we can tell them whether it is not. Could, could we just assign? No, I guess. So you can't assign just like a blanket amount of money to the historic commission. Well, we, I mean, that's what, that's what, that's what, that's what I'm proposing. Right, right, right. That's what I, she proposed a blanket. Oh, got it. A fund or a, I forgot where I put it, but. So in terms of recorded sites, as Kay was referring to, archeological surveys are done for, when required for developments. But they can also, it can be avocational findings or it can be professional findings. And those get reported to the state archeologist. I also worked in that office. And then they get recorded on a map, a map that's secret. As you know, I don't, I mean, I, I do have access to it, but it will, it will, let's say the site was town hall. There'll be a, there'll be a site. And then there's a big box around it that goes way far out with the, that it has the potential to have sites within that site. And those are called recorded or known sites. Often when there's a site, they'll pull the form and it's just someone walking through the field found, you know, an arrowhead. I know, I think they're called points projectile point. I know. Sorry. I'm again, not an archeologist, but some towns do an entire sensitivity assessment for the whole town. PAL has worked on those where the whole town is sensitized. So, you know, areas that are, they, they, they evaluate land for being highly sensitive, moderately sensitive and little sensitivity. So cloud fields or, you know, around an industrial complex, they, then you do two maps. One is for prehistoric, you know, before contact. And one is for historic, which would be, you know, like even around, even around a mill, you're going to have sensitivity for historic for, you know, there's going to be resources for that. But again, that's a town can do that. And then a town can enact something that says, you know, anytime anyone puts a shovel in the ground in an area that's highly or moderately sensitive, we want to have a monitor or a survey, whatever, but there's, but, but right now in mass in Wayland, it's not required. It's not required in any town that doesn't have some sort of ordinance that requires it. That's how, you know, we, we created a form that we wanted to give to all the departments that would say, reminder, if you're doing X, Y, or Z, you should contact us and see. If we have any involvement in it. And that was created before Michael McCall came, but he did get a copy shortly after he came. And as far as I know, it has never been implemented. We did it more so that people aren't concerned at the last minute when they come for CTA money or to do their regular job, say in conservation or something. And then all of a sudden we come in and say, wait a minute, we need to talk about this. That delays the whole project because they've done their planning before they vote on it. And we were hoping to avoid that, but that hasn't happened yet. So if we can continue to recommend that they do that, or we could try and do a sensitivity of the town, the whole town, and then people would know. They don't have, you know, exactly what was going on. It could be eligible for CPC funds or CPA funds. Yeah. We're doing it for Westport. PAL is working on it for Westport. What's the thoughts? Pardon me? What's the thoughts for Westport? Oh, I'm sure it's not cheap. It's a huge undertaking. Can you imagine having archeologists sort of walk? I mean, they do it. Sean, to answer your question about, you know, is there a metric? There's a whole scientific rubric for how they evaluate it. You know, near water, dry land, elevation. So they do that sort of at a desktop level. And then areas that are highly sensitive, they walk over to evaluate them for prior disturbance. And then they, then they refine it. So I'm not sure I can find out. Let me give you another example. When they wanted to build the storage units over by Domlin's. Well, that really was next to a sensitive site. So we were all ready to come in and say, wait a minute. But of course, how would they know? Because they don't have access to the map, which is your point, Sean. And, and I agree. We, we even offered that we would let Brandon have access, but nobody else. Everybody had to go through him and they still wouldn't let us do it. So. Who's the they? Okay. The state. The state. So you're saying right now, Michael McCall has a copy of this, this map or whatever. It's not a map. It's a form. It's just a form saying that if you do X, Y, or Z, you should stop. And in your planning, you should stop and talk to us. So that we don't delay anything. Right. I guess, you know, I, I know they were, and I hope still are having a land use meetings, whether it's weekly or bi-week or whatever they do. And so if there's a way to get whatever information shows where these, these places are in theory, in an efficient use of a meeting, Michael or whomever has the key to the kingdom. They might say, hey, by the way, just, you know, you, these two projects here actually going to trigger an archeological survey. So you mean, but that'd be an ideal spot to do that. But I can just. I think, I think, I think what they need to do in that meeting is when they're talking about things say, oh, remember that you need to go to the historical commission and make sure that we're not planning something for an area where we shouldn't be planning instead of, you know, potentially, you know, revealing things that would open sites up to pilfering. Exactly. Or grave robbing or whatever we. I mean, the problem is because it's not sort of codified. It's going to be inconsistent from department department, unless it was something that you had to do, you know, you hire someone new in the building department. They're not going to know about it unless it's something, unless it's a check, you know, it's a checklist. There's a checklist and it's one of the things you have to check off. So I think that's why. Yeah. That's why we created the form. Yeah. So because people don't think of that, that isn't on the top of their choices of things to do when they're planning. And we just, as a gentle reminder. So are there places in, I think I know the answer, but are there sites in Wayland where if somebody, if, if a town department wanted to be digging that they wouldn't need to have a monitor? I don't know. Cause I don't have access to the map. So they would have to have a specific site and then that would get submitted to find out if it's a. I mean, Tanya Largi has access. It's a database. It's the Massachusetts cultural resource information system database. It's online. I have access to the above ground. I'm sure I could ask one of the 40 archeologists I work for, for their password and have access to the below ground. But I, I have them checked out for projects I'm working on. But it's, it's, it's, you know. Sonya's planning on leaving the commission. Right. Sonya's planning to take it. It's an archeologist. Cause it's an archeology information. And again, it's very limited. I don't think we can depend on just one person. Right. No, absolutely. All right. All right. So. Uh, so the question was how much to allocate and how much allocate for a yearly worth of services is kind of the thought. Uh, the way that I had, but it was, um, associated with the projects in this, uh, article. Yep. And so, I mean, rounding up, it's basically a hundred dollars an hour. So would, do you think that this would be enough? It would 25,000 be enough? You know, I don't know what's involved in the project. So I, I don't feel comfortable saying yes or no to that. Okay. Well, we'll put it this way. Is there a different number you would rather have? How much did you say? 25,000. Uh, and again, that depends. Um, it's 250. Part of the, that's a lot of hours. How many hours, how big is this project? I mean, I mean, that's. Well, if you're, if you're, um, planning something and the person that you hired to do it says, Oh, I'm not coming in today, but he's already made arrangements with the archeologist come and monitor. Um, I don't know how long I don't dig in any place. So I don't really know how long it takes. Well, this is none. But, but this amount could at least get us through the first year. And then. A hundred dollars. And there's 25,000. That's how many? 250. Right. 250 hours. And how many projects do we have? So we have. So we have the trees at herd farm, the loose dry for cow common, which I don't think is implicated. The, uh, trees, uh, cultivating pine trees. So that would be at sedge meadow, uh, until they were transplanted elsewhere. Uh, the boardwalks at Hamlin woods and trout brook. That's a study. I mean, we've never, we've never done it before. And then grout heard. So if, I mean, we've never, we've never included this as an article. We, we included 15,000 previously, but that was part of the one article. Wasn't it? It wasn't a set of standalone. Um, it wasn't, uh, associated with a specific project, but brush removal, a hedge. There were a couple. And as we did it with, um, Sherman's bridge, uh, trail, something there. Okay. I was just gonna say, I think this might be a number to start with. Like you were saying, Leslie, and see where it gets us through the year. And it certainly gives us a better idea of how long it actually takes to achieve the goal. But again, that depends on the people that are hired. I'm assuming they're out for some of the bigger projects. They're hiring someone to come in and do that. Cause we don't have the equipment to do it. Right. I mean, I don't think you could ask an archeologist how long. So it's going to, if, if, you know, if the, if the brush clearing takes. Three, eight hour days, then that's 24 hours, but you can't, you couldn't ask. Right now. You can't ask the brush clear or an archeologist. How much time do you have to spend there? Yeah. But if they have a better idea, once they see what the job is, how long it's going to take them to do it. There may not be the exact number of hours, but they certainly have a better idea than I do on how long it takes to do something. So I think this is a good start and we may reduce it. And. If something is in wetlands. Something what? If it. If something is in wetlands. Oh, wetlands. Yes. Does that. Less, probably a little less likely. Yeah. Or really disturbed areas. Like. The new Wayland center. Probably less likely. Okay. I can't imagine it's going to be more than, I mean, because two of the things we have in here are studies. So they're not doing any, anything with ground anyway. Another one is grout heard and they better figure it out. And that's not a very long. Piece of land. Tanya had said she would do it anyway. And so then that just leaves the boardwalks and the trees and the cow common, which I think is wetlands and then the other trees. Right. So. And the nice thing, too, about this is that currently we have someone who's willing, if she's given enough notice, to do it for free. But we can't always depend on that because of the person's age and health and so forth. And I don't think we should ever. Depend on. I don't think we should ever assume that volunteers are going to do. Exactly. To be paid for. I'm okay with 25,000. I think that, I mean, you had said it was 75 to 95. So I rounded up to a hundred. That's still, it seems like it's a lot of hours. Yeah. I think you're, I tend to agree. Okay. After much discussion. It's been discussed. So that's good. All right. So that puts us at the way that the draft was distributed. Except that in part C, it's now 123,000. And we're agreed that it's going to be 25,000. So the only change I think is the 123. Is that right? Yes. And assuming that I can make it cleaner, which I would really like to not have to have a whole meeting about. Next Wednesday. Yeah. Um, you guys comfortable with this article. I am. Thank you for your work on it. All right. So is there a motion to submit the project appropriations article as discussed. So moved. I'll second back. All right. Sean can join. All right. Uh, if there's no other discussion, we'll vote Judy. Sean. Yes. Okay. Yes. Leslie. Yes. Maureen. Yes. Susan. Yes. Yay. All right. Thank you. Thank you for thanking me. Uh, okay. Um, I did receive the, um, most updated spreadsheet from Brian Keveney with the, you know, all of the projects and all of that. And I don't understand it. So it'll have to wait for Doug to come back. Or, um, I did send Brian, like, am I reading this right kind of thing? I'm happy to share it with other people. It's Brian was like, look in column A T. Okay. Thanks. Um, so I did receive it. Presumably we'll be able to tell how much is in there. Um, and I'm happy to share it with other people just so they can see if they understand it either. All right. Um, are there any project updates that people want to share? Uh, the, again, the signs are with the designer. She's in the process of doing that. We're waiting for permission to use, um, some images on the sign that we don't own that other people own. Uh, as far as the text is concerned, there was text written, but I don't know if it's changed or not. So that's as far as I know about the signs. I don't remember. Are they crediting the community preservation act at all? Well, it depends. Here's the iffy. When they did the trail signs. They were limited to the number of signs and they had three signs left over. We're using the funding for those three signs to do our signs. So whether that pays for the whole thing installation and, and the purchase of the sign and everything is now being reviewed. If it does, then maybe we'll just return back the money that is unused because there isn't enough money in there to do any portion of that. So I have no idea. Okay. So no. Unless there's an act of God, it's like herding cats. Sometimes you're trying to get everything all in an order for meeting time. And don't I know it? Not everybody answers in a timely manner. Sebi. Oh, no. But we still have Sean. So we still have a quorum. Thank you. All right. I guess she didn't want to vote on the minutes. Maybe she's still here and we just can't say her. I can go look and see if she's a participant. Oh, here she is. Oh, good. I had to go get something. All right. Welcome back. Robbie too. All right. Minutes of December 3rd. Yes. I have an edit. Once I wrote, I have an edit. The meeting started at 630, not seven. The town clerk's office has circulated a new template to be used for all minutes and agendas. So I was sort of backing into this form and I think the seven o'clock was a placeholder. I think you're right. Anyhow. But the year is right. So that's good. The day, everything's right. Just not the time. So that's my one. It's so weird that you, that that goes up at the top. Anyway. Well, I, the whole way it's laid out, it just, and the, and the, and the, the way the font changes and the, and the point sizes and the margins, it was driving me. The thought was Calibri or how everyone says that. Garamond. No, no, no, no. I called up. I, I asked, um, Trudy, does it have to be that font? And she said, no. Oh, good. Yeah. Good. Cause I ate that font. She thought that was funny. She would love that. I am a Garamond gal. And if I have to be, you know, song serif, then I'll do aerial. So. Don't you comic sans us? No. I don't do comic sans. Sometimes I do impact. Anyway. I think Times New Roman is clunky. Old move. We all have our hangups. That is mine. It's not that bad. All right. Um, are there other amendments or suggestions? I have. I. I took that off. Oh, okay. In this version. Did you take her name off? No. Does anyone know who this Ann Zakarian is? Ann Zakarian. I have her on the sign in list. I read. It's my writing. We had somebody at the desk. Do you remember? That was Tanya. There were people that were sitting down that were going to another meeting. Yeah. I wondered if she was one of them. I wrote down. I have Tanya Largy. Emily Cure. Kath. Katherine Brennan. Brenna. Rick Kennard. Robbie. And Ann Zakarian. And then I was like, I don't know who she is. There was somebody who was hanging out. But then I think they. She wanted to be. Ann Zakarian. Maybe. But it's my writing. It's not like we had a sign in sheet that they signed. Oh. I think I'm going to take it off. Okay. I'm good with that. Second edit. Two edits. Another one. You edit yourself. All right. As I do that too. All right. Other than Maureen's edits of Maureen's writings. Are there any other edits? Is there a motion to approve the minutes of December 3rd, 2025 as amended? So moved. Thank you. I'll second that. Awesome. All right. Sean. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Judy. Did she say yes? Yes. Okay. Yes. Yes. Maureen. Yes. Okay. Good. Thank you very much. And we would like to invite everyone to come and participate. And I think that it doesn't hurt to announce upcoming programs, not only just what the commission is supporting at these meetings so that the boards and the public listening have a chance to realize it's happening since we don't have any town calendar per se. Well, my son is the lead in the school play. In two weeks. No. What's his name? Seussicle Junior. Oh, good job. Play Horton the Elephant. But there is a 250th website attached to the town website. So people can look there in the future, but. When is the Deborah Sampson thing? What? When is the Deborah Sampson thing? Two o'clock Sunday at the Vokes Theater. I did just see a notification about that. Do I need to get a ticket or? Unfortunately, there was a lot of problems with getting the registration set up. So there is no tickets. There are 200. No, there's 140 seats available. Volunteers are guaranteed a seat, but for volunteers for parking or greeters at the door and so on and so forth are guaranteed a seat, but they're the only ones that are guaranteed that's first come, first serve. Yeah. All right. Because my daughter may be interested in that. Well, I think that a lot of people would be interested. Adults and middle and high school students should. It's a fun way to get introduced to history and it's their history. She's a Massachusetts lady. So why not come and find out more? What time you say? I'm sorry. Two o'clock on Sunday. For a friend. Cool. All right. Any other announcements from folks about votes? Is there a motion to adjourn at 741 PM? So moved. Thank you. So second. Thank you. All right. Let's vote then. Maureen. Yes. Leslie. Yes. Kay. Yes. Judy. Yes. John. Yes.