July 29, 2026 – Conservation Commission – Video & Transcript
July 29, 2026 - Conservation Commission
So without further ado, let's call to order the July 29th, 2026 meeting of the Wayland Conservation Commission.
Pursuant to Chapter 2 of the Act of 2025, this meeting will be conducted in person and or via remote access in accordance with applicable law.
If this meeting has only remote access, no in-person attendance by members of the public will be permitted.
That is the case here. One may watch or participate remotely with the meeting link that can be found online at the town's website.
On our agenda, this meeting is being recorded and the recording will be made available to the public on WACAM as soon as possible after the meeting.
And finally, when required by law or allowed by the chair, persons wishing to provide public comments or otherwise participate in the meeting may do so. Public comment should be limited to two minutes per person. So with all of that fun stuff out of the way, let's turn to our agenda items, please. The first public hearing, agenda item 2A. This is for 67A Loker Street in Wayland, DEP file number 322-1056. This is a continued hearing on the Notice of Intent filed pursuant to Wayland's Wetlands and Water Resource Protection Bylaw and the State Wetlands Protection Act, submitted by Matt O'Connor, for the demolition of an existing barn and construction of a six-unit compact apartment facility at 67A Loker Street in Wayland, Massachusetts. The property is shown on Assessor's Map 48, Parcel 42, and is located within the 100-foot buffer zone of bordering vegetated wetlands, as well as the 200-foot riverfront area. Luke, don't we need to take attendance before we get started? Yeah, and could somebody move John Storr over from attendees to panelist? I don't know who's the host tonight. I'm the host. Oh, okay. So under John Storr to... Okay, thank you. Yeah, Cliff, I don't believe that's necessary, but for the record, just to make everybody clear with who's here, we have dialing in remotely this evening, Barbara Howell, Shannon Fischer, Lisa Aubin, Clifford Lewis, and myself, Luke Legere, and Linda Hansen is at Town Hall at the Conservation Offices. And John is also on. Oh, I'm sorry. I think I was not here last meeting when John was maybe just joining us for the first time. So John Storr as well. I apologize.
Okay. Back to the hearing on 67A Loker Street. So 67A Loker Street asked to continue for tonight's hearing, as well as 68 Lakeshore also. So that's number one of A and B on our agenda. Okay. What is our next hearing date? August 19th. All right. So they want to go to the 19th, Linda? Please. Mm-hmm. Okay. I would take a motion to continue the hearing under Chapter 194 and the State Wetlands Protection Act to August 19th, 2026, sometime after 6.30 p.m. So moved. Thank you, Lisa. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Cliff. Roll call vote, please. Lisa Aubin? Yes. Clifford Lewis? Yes. Shannon Fischer? Yeah. Barbara Howell? Yes. John Storr? Yes. And Luke Legere is also a yes. All right. Moving along to item 2B. This is a hearing for 68 Lakeshore Drive and Weyland, DEP file number 322-1057. This is a continued hearing on a Notice of Intent filed pursuant to Weyland's Wetlands and Water Resource Protection Bylaw and the State Wetlands Protection Act, submitted by Jeremy Jenkins for the after-the-fact work performed at 68 Lakeshore Drive in Weyland, Massachusetts, including installation of a floating dock, gangway, ramp, retaining wall, patio, and repairs to the covered porch steps. The property is shown on Assessor's Map 42D, parcel 56, and is located within 100 feet of boring, vegetated wetlands, bank, and land under water. And, Linda, you indicated they also would like to continue? Yes. Okay. And also to the 19th of August? Let me double check that because he sent it in as a letter. Oh, no. To September 9th, he would like to continue to. Okay. I would take a motion then to continue the hearing under both Chapter 194 and the State Act to September 9th after 6.30 p.m. So moved. Thank you. Lisa, do I have a second? Very good. Thanks. Cliff, a roll call vote. Lisa Aubin? Yes. Cliff Lewis? Yes. Shannon Fischer? Yeah. Barbara Howell? Yes. John Storr? Yes. I also vote yes. All right. Rolling on here. 2C, 8 Carpenter Road. Do we have a DEP file number yet, Linda? We do not. No DEP file number yet. Okay. No. This is a continued hearing on the Notice of Intent filed pursuant to Weyland's Wetlands and Water Resource Protection Bylaw, as well as the State Wetlands Protection Act, submitted by Steve Garofalo for the construction of two additions, a deck, expansion of a dry driveway, septic system replacement, and associated utilities. The proposed work is within 100 feet of bordering vegetated wetlands and bordering land subject to flooding. The project shown on Weyland Assessor's Map 48, lot 113. Linda?
I believe we have Vito and the applicant on the call. Hi, this is Steve Garofalo. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes, Mr. Garofalo. We can hear you. Okay. I'm not sure why my picture's not showing up, my face is not showing up.
Oh, there we go.
Oh, sorry. Give me a second here. Hi. I think Vito is coming on at a different time because we're supposed to be third in line, but I don't see him on here yet. But I did talk to him today. So we are, yes, we are still waiting, unfortunately, for the DEP number. He did make another call today and didn't get any result other than they're still working on it. I don't know why it takes so long. It's been several weeks. But I still wanted to have the meeting this evening to see if there was any other issues so that when we do continue it on, I believe it's the 19th, that we'll just have this one item, kind of a housekeeping item with the DEP number to get that done, just kind of a formality. But since the last meeting, we did respond to the Dillis and Roy communication and everything that they said that the Conservation Commission may want this, they may want this, and they may want that. We did all those. And Vito did submit that. It was a proposed stockpile. It was a proposed staging. And it was testing pits for the dry wells. So he did send something to you guys and updated all that on the plan. That was one thing I was hoping we can get past today. And then at the last meeting, the planting plan was okayed except for adding two more trees, which we did do, and we submitted that a couple days after the last meeting. So that's all set. Hopefully that's all set as well. And then the last thing was, at one point, it was mentioned that the wetlands delineation flagging was done potentially too soon before the season started. And there was a report that was issued to Linder back on July 1st, them saying that everything, I'm looking, have it in my hands here, saying that everything that they did is the same. I mean, I'm not technical, but that's what Vito told me, and that's what it says here, that there was no additional changes. So I believe everything is all set except for the DEP plan. DEP number, I'm sorry. So I was hoping that maybe we could, if you guys agree with all that, that we could just, you know, approve it and just wait until the DEP. I'm sorry. Yeah, so thank you for that. Unfortunately, we can't close the hearing until we have a DEP file number, so we have to close the hearing before we can vote. So it's... Oh, okay. Thank you. I understand the frustration. I feel your pain. I've been in your shoes before, so I know how frustrating it can be waiting. Thank you. Appreciate it. That's out of our hands, unfortunately. Okay. But certainly, you know, thank you for that presentation, and we can give you whatever feedback we might have remaining on the more substantive aspects of this application, so that hopefully when we do reconvene, you'll have a DEP file number, and it can be, you know, we can proceed to close and vote. But we do have to wait for the net, even say we get the DEP number tomorrow, we still have to wait until the 19th? Yes. Yeah, that's correct. I just want to understand that. Thank you. Yeah, because the bottom line is at the end of our discussion here this evening, we're going to have to continue the hearing to a date and time certain. So that's going to be our next meeting, right? I mean, we don't... Maybe the number will show up tomorrow. Maybe not. So we just... Okay. There's really no other way for us to proceed. So may I ask if those other items that we talked about, the peer review, the wetlands delineation, no change update, and the planting plan update, those all set? Or do we... If there's issues, we can talk about those tonight. Other than that, I think it's a DEP. You certainly may ask. And I think that's what we're just about to discuss right now. So you'll have your answer in relatively short order, I think. So Linda, why don't you kick things off for us, please? Well, two things. I was CC'd on the email from DEP regarding the lack of file number for tonight's meeting. She claims that they're still waiting for, I guess, proof of payment for the filing fee. It's suggested if you have the cleared check that you could probably email it to Vito, and Vito will forward it to prove that, yes, you did pay the filing fee. So that's what they were waiting for the fee to clear, I think is what they have they technically call it. So that was her suggestion. And the second thing was I did look at the planting plan. I sent that to Shannon and Lisa also. You have four red maples on there. I mean, I think we could use a couple other just different types of trees. I mean, it's not a big deal, but they're good for wetland areas. But, I mean, where you're planning on putting them is pretty dry. So I think we could probably get a more upland, you know, more species, a more different type of tree. And that's an easy fix. Okay. And I don't know if Lisa or Shannon have any suggestions for that. Sorry. Because the last time we mentioned... Steve, would you let the ladies talk? I'd just ask them if they had an input, okay? Sorry. Sorry, Linda, I sort of dropped the ball on that email you sent. Like, off the top of my head, I wonder, could something like swamp white oak be appropriate there? I'm not sure if it needs the wet feed or not, but that would add a little more diversity. Yeah, yeah. I mean, right now there's four red maples, and I don't think we need four red maples there. So that's why I'm saying maybe a little bit more diversity in the trees that are planted. Barbara, what do you think? And I was wondering, this isn't about the trees, about putting blueberries right next to the house facing west. I don't think that's a very good place for blueberry bushes. No, I don't think they would do well there either. So, again, I think we can make some changes. That doesn't necessarily... I mean, we can approve a planting plan, or that's something the species can change. I mean, as long as you have the locations and the intent of putting shrubs and trees in, the actual species is something we can always work on, even after the permit is issued. But, like I said, those are my input was a little bit more diversity in the trees, and Barbara would like to see probably something other than blueberries planted right up against the house. Okay, and not in an area that probably doesn't get as much sun as they need. So, okay.
I mean, they could also look at, like, some of the hickories, pig nut, white oak. It wouldn't have to be swamp white oak. Lisa, I might be missing some stuff here. I'm just kind of... Yeah, if they want maybe an evergreen, hemlocks are good. Yeah, hemlocks are good. The adelgid can certainly be managed.
What else have we got here? Well, why don't I put that in an email and send it to you tomorrow, Steve, you know, our suggestions. Okay? Thank you. All right. And, Linda, I do believe that on the stormwater side, it appeared to me everything had been addressed. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Okay. All right. Okay. Commission members, any additional comments, thoughts, concerns?
Good to do. I had nothing. The peer review responses look good.
Okay. So, Mr. Garofalo, I think what you're hearing from us is we're, we appear to be good on the stormwater side. And with respect to the planting, if you could just work with Linda between now and the next meeting date to just, just to get a little diversity in the actual plants proposed. I think it sounds like that would address the other issue that we've been speaking about here this evening. And other than that, I think it sounds like we're all satisfied.
All right. So, continue to the 19th. Thank you. Yeah, sure. All right. I would take a motion then to continue this hearing under both Chapter 194 and the State Act to August 19th after 6.30 p.m. So moved. Thank you, Lisa. Do I have a second? Second. Thanks, Cliff. Roll call vote, please. Lisa Alvin. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Yes. Shannon Fischer. Yes. Barbara Howell. Yes. John Storr. Yes. And I'm a yes as well. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Garofalo. We'll see you in a few weeks. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye.
All right. Moving on to item 2D. 26 Rice Road in Wayland. Do we have a DEP file number here, Linda? We do. 322-1066. Okay. DEP file number 322-1066. This is a hearing on an abbreviated notice of resource area delineation filed pursuant to Wayland's Wetlands and Water Resource Protection Bylaw, as well as the State Wetlands Protection Act, submitted by Adam Stack for the confirmation of resource area delineations at 26 Rice Road in Wayland, Massachusetts. The site is shown on Assessor's Map 48, Lot 93. All right. Linda? I believe we have the applicant and the representative here. Is that Doug? Is that you? Hi there. Can you guys hear me all right? You can. Thank you. So, yeah, as you said, here also Adam is present on the meeting as well. So, this is for the property we were discussing the last time I was here, 26 Rice Road. So, with all that expired, wanting to just refresh and start, you know, just kind of from square one with establishing just the BVW around that PVP area. Doug. Doug, can you introduce yourself first? Oh, yeah. Apologies. Doug Dillon, Whatland Scientist, Garter Consulting. But, anyway, just, I know there's some resource areas over to the western portion of the property. Those are not so relevant to the kind of larger question. So, we're just proposing to review the BVW at the eastern, sort of the front, quote unquote, of the property. So, I understand the commission usually opts to perform a peer review for these a number of times. And, you know, it's absolutely something that we're, we're part of. Great. Thanks. Linda. I, if you saw in your packet, I also sent the wetland delineation that was done for the original notice of intent for the home, for the house construction. That was the 2018? Yeah. So, if you do see, there is an outlet to that vernal pool that goes south, right through the middle of that property. It's not shown on the current plan, the wetlands and the stream bed. I did go out there. I did not do, I mean, I don't, you know, I didn't hire a peer reviewer at this point, but there is, there's still a, you know, a stream bed that's, that's apparent there. It still looked pretty damp and there's actually a pipe that goes underneath Thompson Road at the, at the base of the stream bed. So I'm kind of surprised to see that, that, that wasn't delineated as a wetland because it, it sure looks like one. So. Yeah, that area in particular is questionable. And that's part of what, you know, I'd like to discuss like, and kind of hammer out, um, soils there were not really hydric at all. And there was just no wetland vegetation. I understand there is a culvert under that road there. Um, I think, I mean, historically that likely was a stream, but at the current, you know, anytime I've been there, I've not seen, you know, what appeared to be hydric features or wetland vegetation in that area. Um, and, you know, would just like to review that with the, you know, commission and, or, uh, who might like reading the site walk. But, uh, that's exactly what kind of trying to establish. Well, my recommendation that would be to, um, hire a peer reviewer to come up with, uh, you know, because I, I don't agree with Doug's delineation. Um, but I think it's important to have an independent peer reviewer to probably make that decision. So. Yeah. Thank, thank you, Linda. So I guess that's really the question for us here tonight, then commission members is whether we want to authorize Linda to go ahead with. Recruiting a peer review consultant to review this and rad and give us a report. Uh, anybody have any thoughts? I think we need that. I was wondering, they originally. Did the, um, wetlands in November and why did they even bother? Then they came back and did it in June, but I don't know whether they really did it or kind of glanced at what they did in November on November 20, November of 24. And I definitely want to think we need a peer review. Thanks Barbara. Yeah. The drought could be affecting some things as well, especially like maybe the presence of the outlet or not. Like we've had enough drought years, but these things can change on a dime. And then all of a sudden it has an outlet and it is a peer reviewer is a good idea. Thanks, Jen. Linda, can I ask you if the peer reviewer would figure out why the vernal pool seems to have disappeared? Uh, I mean, that's not part of this particular filing. This particular filing is to, to determine whether or not that, that, uh, that section of the lot or the property is dry as opposed to with the wetland like it was before. Um, so, um, I think, you know, we still have in front of us a certificate compliance request for the other property, for the, the whole property in a whole. And that that's probably the place to address that. So. I see. Thank you. Uh, commission members, any other comments? Hearing none for what it's worth. I agree. I think given the history here, uh, given the disparity between what we've seen previously and what's proposed, what's before us now. And, and Linda's disagreement with the delineation, I think it's important to get a peer review. Um, so I would take a motion to authorize Linda to proceed with recruiting a peer review consultant. So moved. Thank you, Lisa. Do I have a second? Second. Thanks. Cliff. Uh, roll call vote, please. Lisa Aubin. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Yes. Shannon Fischer. Yeah. Barbara Howell. Yes. John store. Yes. And I'm a yes as well. Um, anything else, uh, Mr. Dillon, that you'd like to discuss with us here this evening? No, it's just, uh, just for this area that, you know, we're going to be focusing on for the kind of larger question at hand, but just keeping it strictly to this, you know, area over here. And that's all. Well, that all sounds good to me. Okay. Um, thank you. So would you like to continue then to our next meeting? Yes. Yeah. If you guys are in your experience, you think you can get a peer reviewer quote or authorization by then? Yes. If not, um, just the next one, I suppose. Are you confident that you could do that? Well, I'll defer to Linda on that. Well, I, it depends if you want me to get, um, multiple quotes and find out availability. I'm not sure I can, I can do that all by, you know, August 19th. Okay. Yeah. Let's do, um, I mean, and I guess take it from there. I'll, I'll coordinate with Adam. Uh, yeah, that sounds good. Okay. Um, very well, then I would take a motion to continue this hearing under the. The state act in chapter 194 to August 19th after 630 PM. So moved. Thank you, Lisa. Do I have a second? I can. Thanks, Cliff. Roll call vote, please. Lisa Aubin. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Yes. Shannon Fischer. Yeah. Barbara Howell. Yes. John Storr. Yes. And Luke Leger is a yes as well. Thank you very much. Thank you, Tom. Okay. Uh, moving on now to public meetings. Okay. 3A. Uh, 16 Holiday Road in Weyland. This is file number D dash one zero four nine. Uh, this is a request for determination of applicability filed pursuant to Weyland's Wetlands and Water Resource Protection Bylaw, as well as the State Wetlands Protection Act submitted by, excuse me, submitted by Ryan Wade for the construction of a shed at 16 Holiday Road in Weyland, Massachusetts. The proposed work is within 100 feet of isolated vegetated wetlands. The property is shown on assessors map 18 as lot 66. Uh, Linda. Uh, Linda. Well, I don't know. Who do we have one? We have, I see Ryan on here. Do you have a representative with you for this, uh, um, this meeting? I'm traveling for vacation, unfortunately. Okay. Um, but, um, I honestly don't, this is my first time doing this. So, um, I don't tell me what, tell me what you'd like, like me to, to say, or do I walk through it? Um, cause I actually think if based off of the plot plan that the proposed shed is actually outside of the 100 foot limits. Um, uh, I, I have that plot plan. I can share it on the screen if you'd like and point out exactly where the, the shed would go. Um, but I do think it's just outside of the 100 foot and I do believe it's probably over 30 feet from the, uh, the, the small, uh, wetlands that are, uh, in between my yard and my neighbor's yard. So every, everybody should have gotten that plan in their agenda packet. So I'm, I'm not sure if you need to share that. I mean, I think it's a really straightforward, um, request. You're taking down the shed and the chicken coop and putting in a new one, a new shed. Um, I, I don't really have any, um, issues with this. I don't know. You know, the commission has also has a chance to weigh in. I mean, one question I did have was how you were planning on stalling the shed. Is this, is it going to be on a foundation? Is it on cinder blocks on just crushed stone? How, how are you thinking of, uh, putting that on, putting that? I think we discussed with the contractor on, on a raised plat, some sort of something that would be raised off the ground. Yeah. Like a raised platform or something. Okay. Correct. Yep. Okay. And then, um, typically what isolated wetlands are can be vernal pools. I mean, that's, and, and so I don't know, do you ever hear anything coming from that isolated wetlands, like peepers and frogs and things, sounds that come out of there in the spring? It's really hard because I mean, my, my whole backyard is, is, is wetlands is, um, on the map. And then the neighbors both to the left and right of us also have wetlands behind their house. So the, the neighborhood is, is, is quite loud in regards to animals, coyotes, peepers, everything. Okay. No, you know, it's a, it's a really small, isolated wetland. So it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's not like it's, you know, it's a questionable whether or not there would be a breeding area there or not. I was just kind of curious, but it sounds like you have a fairly robust habitat back there, which is a nice thing. So we, we, we love it. Um, all the, all the different wildlife is fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good. No, I don't, I don't have any further issues. Anybody else? Thanks Linda. Members, any comments, questions, concerns? I mean, it seems straightforward. I mean, the, the new shed is going to be further away from that isolated wetland. Um, and, uh, and the other wetlands, um, than the original. So it's definitely an improvement. Yep. And the older exists, the older things will be taken down as, as, uh, uh, Linda said, the, um, older shed and the old image in the chicken. Actually, it was technically a rabbit rabbit hutch, but that will be removed. So. Okay. All right. Um, well then seeing and hearing no further questions. This is not a hearing, so we don't need to close the hearing. Uh, so I would take a motion to issue a negative determination under the state act and a permit under chapter 194. So moved. Thank you. Lisa. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you. Cliff. Roll call vote. Uh, Lisa Aubin. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Yes. Shannon Fischer. Yeah. Barbara Howell. Yes. John Storr. Yes. And I am a yes as well. Mr. Wade. Wade, thank you very much. Sorry to interrupt your vacation for your hearing tonight, but you're all set. That's all. So we're, we're good to proceed. Oh yeah. No, you're going to get a permit from me. Oh, I'm going to get a permit from you. Okay. We don't do anything verbal. It's everything just in paper format. So just, just wait to see that from Linda, but you're, you've, you've gotten your approval here. You just need to get the physical permit. Do you need me to speak by the office or is that going to be done? What I tend to do is I email it to you, electronic format, and then I send you a hard copy. Perfect. You're always welcome to come pick it up if you'd rather, but. Email's fine. Email's fine. I just wasn't sure again. This is the first time I'm doing this. So I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I will send you a hard copy with, with the signature on it, you know, with the original signature. So you have that in your files, but I typically, I scan it and send it to you. So you know that I've issued it. Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Alrighty. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good one. All right. Moving on. Uh, for a stormwater and land disturbance, uh, 15 Piquot Road. File number SWLD dash one six seven. Linda. All right. I guess we have Israel Burl, who is the engineer for this project and maybe can introduce or talk, tell us about it to tell the commission about it. Absolutely. Uh, can you hear me? Yes. Great. Thanks so much for having me. My name is Israel Burl. My company's Burl engineering. Um, this is my first meeting with the conservation commission in Wayland. So feel free to interrupt me if you need me to say something or talk about something else. Um, we are requesting a stormwater and land disturbance permit. Um, we are just barely triggering the, um, the land disturbance threshold by, um, a couple thousand square feet. Um, it's a, you know, new development project. Um, it's not in any, um, it's not in any wetland or riverfront resource areas. Um, but it's, we're, you know, we're here for the stormwater management specifically from my understanding. Um, we want to do a proposed house, uh, with septic system driveway patios, just general site improvements. Um, and, uh, I've shown a stormwater infiltration system that complies with the Wayland bylaws as well as the Massachusetts stormwater handbook. Um, so if you have any questions, feel free to let me know. Thank you very much, Mr. Burl. Uh, Linda, start with you, please. Yeah, I do have a number of questions. I mean, I, I think the, doing a stormwater, um, hydro cad, you know, modeling exercise is a bit overkill because you're only adding, you claim to be adding 200 square feet of new impervious. Um, but I still need to do a little bit more work on this one. Um, so let's start with, um, again, I can, I can summarize all this in an email to, to you tomorrow. Um, so the septic was approved in 2025. Um, and it's, it's a whole different plan than what we have. So I was the septic already put in. No, no. Okay. Okay. And the septic plan actually showed 15 trees were going to be removed from that. And looking at the aerial photos, it looks like that some trees have already been removed. Right at the back of the house. So we're going to need to know what tree removal is getting taken down for this project and stuff that has been, you know, in the past year, because our, our, our regulations are cumulative. So if you, if you took them down, you know, six months, a year ago, they need to be added to that number too. Um, cause I, it appears to me that Mr. Driscoll purchased this house last year already. Is that correct? Yeah. So, and, um, so that's number one was, um, we all have to have the same plan. Okay. And the septic plan does not show the stormwater on it. And that has to be, so you're going to have to send that back to, to the health department again. Um, they, you know, there's, there's offsets to the stormwater system that have to be complied with. And that, again, that's not my jurisdiction. That's theirs. So, um, let them handle that one. Okay. Uh, let's see. And when in your impervious calculations, did you include the deck stairs and walkway too? Cause it just says building in there. So, um, I, I conservatively included all of that as impervious. Um, I know that's generally overkill, but just to be safe and just to make sure that we're not missing anything. Okay. Uh, the other thing is curb cut permits. So you're moving your driveway, right? And you're moving it over to the other side of house. So you do have to touch base or you have to apply for that, um, with DPW. And the one thing they're going to ask you is whether or not you're managing the stormwater from that, from that driveway. And it doesn't look like you are, it looks like you're just spilling it into the municipal roadway. And so you're not going to get a permit in that situation. So, um, you're going to have to show us. Cause that's one of the requirements of the chapter 193 is you have to manage your own stormwater. You know, you can't be sending it to a municipal system and municipal roadway. Can't send it to your neighbors, obviously. So, uh, we're going to have to see some sort of way of picking up the driveway runoff. Okay. Pitching, you know, swales, something, you know, something to show us that, that you're controlling that. Okay. And are you bringing fill in for this, or is this just a matter of moving dirt around? It should generally be moving dirt around. Um, it's honestly, we're trying to keep the grades. The topography is similar to existing grade as we can. Um, so it should just be a regrading exercise. Um, just based on the material we're going to have to remove to put the driveway in and stuff like that. Okay. Cause it says you're, you're, you're disturbing 14,000 square feet. And I assume that meant then, did that include the, the installation of the septic system too? I included everything just to be safe. Okay. Yeah. I assume that that's what you did. So, all right. Cause I, that was my, one of my questions was, are you bringing in fill? So, and then, um, you're using, you're using the, um, loamy sand, uh, infiltration rate for the, for the call text. So, um, you know, just we'll need confirmation of that in the field at some point when we, you know, when you excavate for that, um, there'll be a site inspection for that. Okay. Great. But that's like, again, I'll summarize all this in an email tomorrow. Um, uh, cause I do have, I have some more very specific things regarding the, the, the way it's the stormwater is designed, the system is designed. So I thought I'll just throw some questions out at you then. Okay. I don't have to bore the commission with that. All right. Mm-hmm. Um, do you mind if I ask you a few questions? Sure. Um, as far as tree removal, what specifically do you need to see? Is there a certain diameter caliper you need to see as far as removal? Yeah. So that's all in the regulations and that's everything you, anytime you cut seven or more trees down, you need to compensate for them. Yeah. And we consider a tree to be six inches, um, diameter. Great. Yeah. We don't, we don't regulate dead trees. Yep. So, and you know, something that's basically falling over or broken or something like that, you know, um, that's really hard to regulate that one too. But, um, I, I looked in the aerial photo. It looks like there's quite a bit of canopy in the backyard. So, um, and then regarding the other two permits, the septic permit and the curb cut permit, um, do you need to see approval of those before I can get approval from the conservation commission? No, I don't. Um, when you do file with the building department for a building permit that that's all done in electronic permitting. And then all these emails go out to everybody who has a part in that. And, um, so that that's when, when it all has to come together. Okay. Sure. The building permit. Okay. Yep. I, I would say as a general rule, typically, you know, we, we wait until the board of health has acted or is pretty well satisfied just in the interest of efficiency, right? Really to for everybody's sake, so that you're not having to come back to us with a constantly changing plan. But to Linda's point, that's not, not necessary if, if it's all heading in the same direction. Yeah. Well, look, they really approved the septic plan, but last year. So that's why, you know, that's why we're sitting here with two separate plans because I think, I think something's changed since they, they, um, designed the, the septic. So, and it's a different engineer too. So. I can, I can clarify that if that'd be helpful. Um, the location of the septic system has not changed at all. The only thing that's changed is the building location. Um, we rotated the building slightly. So, um, it, everything was designed to conform with the title five setbacks for the septic system. Um, so there shouldn't be any issues there. It's just a formality of refiling the septic plan with the board of health. Yeah. Cause there was nothing on there on their plan. So he needs to see it. You know, he needs to see where you're putting it. Okay. Sure. Okay. Uh, it sounds like, uh, Linda, you and Mr. Burl will be in communication here, uh, to help him understand what more he might need. And we'll just sort of take it from there. This isn't a hearing. So we don't need to continue it to a specific date. Um, anything else we should address while we're here this evening? No, no, I don't think so. But it sounds like we do need some clarification. You know, this falls under major permit because it's disturbing more than 10,000 square feet of land. But what we don't need really is a hydro CAD report when there's, when there's so little impervious increase, you know, that seems like a complete overkill. So, but, um, I guess that's worth clarifying a little bit in our regulations at some point. So. Sure. Thank you for that. Okay. Okay. Um, all right. Uh, Mr. Braun, unless there's anything else from you that, that I think does it for us this evening. Great. Yeah. Um, yeah. It's just so I have a clear, um, this doesn't need to go to another hearing. We can work this out, um, outside of the hearings. Yeah. So I will send you, you know, with my, my very specific things that I came up with when I looked at it. And, but, but so, but just, just to be clear, I mean, we, we do have to, we do have to vote. Um, and I guess. So, so, uh, what I was suggesting, Mr. Broll was really that you and Linda could sort of work offline, hopefully between now and our next meeting, um, to address her questions and concerns, and then come back to us one more time and hopefully everything will be ironed out and we can vote at that point. And that gives you a chance to, to, you know, to communicate with, um, the health department and, um, file for curb cut permit from DP, DPW. So then at least you can get the ball rolling on different things at the same time too. Okay. Great. Okay. Um, anything else? Okay. Well, thank you very much. We appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Um, five a certificate of compliance for 41 Grove street, uh, file number D dash six, six, seven. Linda. So I, yeah, I do think we may have somebody on. I'm not sure if we do or not. Um, this isn't there. It's it's, um, they're selling the house. Um, they need a, they need closure on this. The, the, the RDA was actually recorded. So that's, what's holding up the closing at this point because the permit was not closed out on, but the weird thing is, is when I pulled the file, there's, there's a, um, a request for a COC. There was actually, um, a COC that was actually written and, you know, prepared and not signed. And I look through, there's no such thing as minutes for this time period. And, uh, look through some notes that were, um, posted, um, on the, on our server. And I, I'm not sure they ever even put it on, on a meeting agenda. I couldn't find it anywhere. So it just, it just fell into like never, never land sort of thing. But I mean, I don't, I don't see any reason they moved the driveway. That's all they did for this project. So, um, I really don't see any issues with, with issuing is something that I consider like ancient history sort of thing. So. Okay. Thanks commission members. No, I just, I noticed the dates on it. So I'm glad Linda mentioned something. I'm like, it's a long time. Yeah. I know. It was like the letter was dated. Oh, eight. And there was, it was stamped received, I think in 2010 or something. There was some weird, weird timeline. I mean, if they planted trees or shrubs, how would I ever know? I mean, after 10 years, it's like, you know, it's, they're, they're way too big to understand whether or not that's new or old or, you know, where they came from. So, uh, okay. Anything else from the commission? Okay. Anything else from the commission? Okay. If I make the motion for practice. Go for it. All right. I moved to issue a certain certificate of compliance for 41 Grove Street. Is that all I need to say? Yes. Good enough for me. Okay. Thank you. Lisa. Do we have a second? Okay. Thank you. Cliff roll call vote, please. Lisa. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Oh, yes. Shannon Fischer. Yes. Barbara Howell. Yes. John store. Yes. And I'm a yes as well. Okay. Um, six public comments. Can I make a non public comment? You can make a, yeah, you're absolutely. Just to inform the board. Um, our last meeting, we talked about, uh, starting and looking into what I call a tree sustainability, uh, initiative. Uh, and I was able to make contact with a chap at the state and his name is Chris Pryor, uh, who's the DCR service forester for Wayland. And they have programs like this at the state level. So we're trying to get together with him, uh, just to see, you know, just to see where we start. Uh, so as soon as we have some more to say about that, we'll report it to the board. Thanks Cliff. Thanks Cliff. And thanks for taking the initiative there. That's, uh, yeah. Shannon's on board too. And so is Linda. It's not just me. I owe you several emails, Cliff. That's been a hell of a two weeks. So I'm playing catch up. You didn't lose any weight over this, did you Shannon? What? You didn't lose any weight. Please. I hope not. No, no, I'm all set. Well, thank you all. Um, okay. So that's good. I don't see any other participants or panelists with hands raised. I have. Oh, I was going to say, I have a couple of things I wanted to insert if that's okay. Sure. You want to do it now? I can. Uh, there was an email that was sent out by the town, the town for the annual reports are due September 30th. So we're going to take Barbara off the hook this year. And, um, Emily, uh, offered to prepare a draft for you. So, is that okay, Barbara? If I don't have to do it. Emily offered to do it. So if you, if you're okay with that. Great. Okay. Okay. Barbara looks upset. She looks really bummed out. It doesn't really, really sad day for her. It takes weeks. Uh, and when we have it all here, we have the database and everything. So it's so much easier. I think for us to do that anyway, we're coming up with numbers. So also, um, the floodplain bylaw that was, um, voted on a town meeting in April has not made it to the attorney general's office for approval yet. And when it does, we're going to change. We're going to have to change our chapter one 94 regulations again, and pull all that floodplain stuff out that we kind of added as a, as an interim measure. So I don't know if that's going to be on the next meeting or not. Um, it might be in the September meeting, but it should be a pretty quick hearing just to remove things. Um, although we probably do want to change the tree compensation. So it aligns with chapter one 93 also. I don't know. Did you listen in Luke? There was a meeting today with DEP to discuss the new wetland regulations and they're adding tree, you know, um, sort of tree removal stuff into that. And so now we're, you know, I think ours is still going to be much stricter, which is the way it should be. But it's, it's interesting now that they're adding things like, um, invasive plant removal as a limited project. Um, they're adding, um, uh, you know, discussing trees. One thing that came up was whether or not they consider a Norway maple and invasive. And, you know, the argument was it still provides canopy and shade and habitat. So I think they're leaning, you know, until the comments come through, you know, probably from this, these draft regulations, it's questionable whether or not they're going to consider, um, a Norway maple, a tree that's regulated or a tree that's considered invasive. So, so I think it's, it's worth considering, you know, thinking about that, how we handle it too in our, in our regulations at that point. So. Are these, doesn't the state consider Norway maple invasive? Are they not on the prohibited list? They, it is for planting, right? You can't plant a Norway maple. I believe that's the way it's written. But in this case, they're, they're adjusting the wetland regulations, right? So they want to figure out how to handle, if somebody takes down a Norway maple, is that a good thing? Or have you never, you know, canopy and shade and, you know, habitats and everything else. So, you know, it's, it's possible, you know, somebody could take a whole stand of Norway maples off and, and completely change the environment. And, you know, then, especially in a wetland environment. Right. So, um, so I think the, I think the jury's still out about whether or not, you know, it's how the, how, how they're going to regulate a Norway maple under the tree regulations. So whether you get a pat on the back or a slap on the wrist, or both, you know, we could do that. I mean, I took down a ton of Norway maples and installed native trees here. So, and that's exactly what, you know, we want you to do. But there was a period of time where the hydrology was probably changed. True. But I mean, again, and these, and you know, what they're saying is you do get a pass and not have to compensate for anything. Right. So, okay. Speaking of trees that you saw my email, that was really disappointing to see 60, 80 trees taken down at 17 Gleason. So yeah, um, it's, we'll have to, I have yet to hear back from the person. It was kind of a real cagey, um, you know, um, interaction I had with the person who was there. Wouldn't give me names. Wouldn't give me phone numbers. Wouldn't give me email address. Told me to send the, the violation notice to that address yet. Obviously nobody's living there. I mean, it's a really derelict looking house. So, um, I, you know, again, I'm just sort of in a situation. Like I don't know how to communicate with the, with the owner at this point. So I did Google Stockholm. He has a Bill Ricca address. So I did send the violation to that. And I sent it to 17 Gleason again, whether or not, you know, we, we hear a response or not, I don't know, but I did give him, you know, I told him at this, when I arrived there, it was a cease and desist. You know, you're done, you know, that you're done with, you know, any change. You know, any tree removal until you get, you know, go follow through with the permitting on this. So tax record would show you the property owner, wouldn't it? Wouldn't it? Well, it was just, it was just sold and it was sold to a group of three people. And they, they claim that 17 Gleason was their address. Oh, okay. And I mean, that's kind of weird that you're claiming the place you're buying as your current address. Right. Hard to send a tax bill there, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. So I can, I can follow through with the water department too. They actually had a phone number for me, but I, of course, nobody answered. Nobody responded. Nobody listened to my voicemail probably. So, um, uh, I, I really, you know, I could post a big sign at the driveway. Like, you know, cease and desist, you know, is this the vials property? Yes. Yes. I mean, that's been sort of like knocking around with like, but that's weird. Yeah. What property? Is this the vials property that they're selling? Yeah. Well, it is. It's sold. This is a new owner. Oh, this is the one that, um, oh, wait, who wanted to not SVT. Um, they're back right up to the school property. Yeah. And some people were interested in buying it. And I thought I did buy it, but they weren't the kind of people. They used to grow Christmas trees back there. Oh, did they? Oh yeah. Well, now. Years ago. And, um, it's sort of almost sticks into the school property. I did ask the surveyor, there are bounds on the side of Holiday Road. So, um, there should be, um, stone bounds that mark the property so that if, if they've gone over, it should, I mean, I don't know how easy it is to find these. I mean, these are probably ancient, the stone bounds that are there. There's a path that goes down from orchard lane that you could walk right, but the path is growing over. I used to walk in there all the time. Hmm. And, and you could probably, you could probably get to the edge of the property to see where they're just, you know, with the, uh, the area of tree removal, if you wanted to. So. Mrs. Files would be quite old that sold the property. Yeah. I think, I think, yeah, I think Sean took a peek at it yesterday. So. Mm. But you can get there for more children or holidays. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And I think from the North Cemetery, too. So, right. And the cemetery. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. So. Everyone will always watch all through there. Mm-hmm. It's so weird that that happened. Yeah. I mean, you gotta ask questions, right? I mean, you buy a new property and you just, you just, you know, go at it and hire, you know, tree removal company to take down 60, 80 trees. I mean, why would you ask questions first? You know, so. More and more, it seems like people are taking the route of, uh, you know, feeling it's better to seek forgiveness than ask for permission. Yeah. You know. You have people who don't give a damn about the environment or the wildlife, despite needing to live in it. You wonder, did they take any school department trees down along? I asked about it and they were stone bound. So, I mean, somewhere along the line, we could probably try to find those. Maybe we could find some volunteers who might be happy to, to start looking for, um, you know, the, the property boundaries and the markers there. So. And you said, Linda, there was, you thought there was something else on Moore Road. I, I got a call today about tree removal at 75 Moore Road. Um, I guess they've been using like a, it's a steep hill. They've been using some sort of like sled, like, um, um, apparatus to take the trees down off the slope and bring it down to Moore Road. So she says it's gotten really muddy and it looks like it's starting to road now that area. So I think it's that, it's that extension of Moore Road. Like there's, it's also like a driveway that leads to a couple of houses. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, I didn't see it myself, but I just looked it up on a map when you mentioned it earlier. The person who called said that it was coming. They were, they were operating off of Moore Road, you know, then, um, so they were taking a lot of the trees off the slope, which could cause trees too. So who would do that? Well, it seems like a lot of people do it. Yeah. Taking them down on the slope, it's just going to cause so much erosion. Mm-mm. It's a terrible idea. I think I passed the equipment today too. And I, I didn't realize I, I sort of, I was more concerned that they were working on the other side of the street, um, on some of those snags, which, which wouldn't be great, but like people would do that. I had no idea they were working opposite. So, you know, we own the pond over there, right? At what is that? 74, maybe? The one across the street. Mm-hmm. That's, that's. I thought it was SVT property there. Yeah. That's conservation property. The pond itself. Oh, the pond. The nice, like the old farmhouse. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Every year. Oh, sorry. Yeah. But the property I think behind that is both SVT and U.S. Fish and Wildlife lands. So, yeah. But the pond is, the pond has a trail that goes around it too. So you can go from more road to the way to the back towards Castle Hill and that's, that's conservation. So. So I don't know Shannon, when you dialed in, but Linda mentioned earlier or Barbara suggested, you know, writing something up in the, in the post. Mm-hmm. And I had suggested, you know, we could adapt the article that I put together. We put in the wild Whalen newsletter and adapted. In fact, there's probably not much we need to do, but, um, Linda had asked that I just worked with Emily. And so. Yeah, that's great. You know, if there's anything you think we would want to change putting it in the public, in the Whalen post, but I don't think so. So. I thought it was great. I just threw it right in the newsletter. Okay. And then it took 500 years to get it out, but it is out. Emily got it through the door. Yeah. So I'll, I'll talk to, I'll talk to Emily. Do you need some examples? What? Okay. Well, I don't know if it's a good idea to call people out on that, but. Really? No. I don't know if we want to. I'm fine putting my name on it, but I don't know if we want to write it on behalf of the conservation commission, how we want to do it, you know, so. You should definitely have your name on it. Okay. Okay. So yeah, I'll reach, I'll reach out to Emily. But yeah, if anyone has any other ideas beyond what's in that newsletter, if everyone saw it.
It's a great piece. Probably the best in that newsletter. Good newsletter. And that's saying something. Yeah. Thanks. Well, thank you for that, Lisa. Linda, anything else? We just have minutes and a German, I think. Yeah. No. So I, I know you, you had, you said you had a few things you wanted. There's so much going on. I mean, Sean and I talked yesterday too, you know, this lawsuit with one 22, one 24 lakeshore is still ongoing. Um, just received a, um, a counter claim and document and I can't really talk about it because it is confidential. Um, but, um, you know, the, the conservation commission is, is, is, uh, the plaintiff in this. So, um, I think, I think you guys probably need to have some more involvement in this. And maybe that's, you know, next time we have an executive session session to talk about some of the other projects. We can talk about that one too. So. Yeah. That, that sounds like a subject for executive session for sure. Okay. Um, thank you. Uh, then turning to, uh, 7a, the meeting minutes from July 8th, 2026. I was absent from that meeting, so I will, uh, abstain from any vote, but, uh, any comments, questions, Barbara, do you have a chance to look those over? I looked them over. It looked fine to me. I had two, I had just two minor edits and they were just mainly typos. So I, there was, everything was good. Okay. Do I have a motion to approve those minutes? Oh, yes. I moved to approve the minutes of the. June. No, sorry. July 8th meeting. Excellent. Thank you, Lisa. Do I have a second, please? Second. Thank you. Cliff, roll call vote. Lisa Aubin. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Yes. Shannon Fischer. Yes. Barbara Howell. Yes. John Storr. Yes. And I'm going to abstain as I was not there. Um, okay. Okay. Any last comments? Anything else anybody wants to address while we're here? Hearing and seeing none, I would take a motion to adjourn for the evening. So moved. Thank you much. Do I have a second? Second. Second. Thanks, Cliff. Roll call vote, please. Lisa Aubin. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Yes. Shannon Fischer. Yes. Barbara Howell. Yes. John Storr. Yes. And I'm a yes as well. Okay. Record time, folks. Yes, Mr.
And finally, when required by law or allowed by the chair, persons wishing to provide public comments or otherwise participate in the meeting may do so. Public comment should be limited to two minutes per person. So with all of that fun stuff out of the way, let's turn to our agenda items, please. The first public hearing, agenda item 2A. This is for 67A Loker Street in Wayland, DEP file number 322-1056. This is a continued hearing on the Notice of Intent filed pursuant to Wayland's Wetlands and Water Resource Protection Bylaw and the State Wetlands Protection Act, submitted by Matt O'Connor, for the demolition of an existing barn and construction of a six-unit compact apartment facility at 67A Loker Street in Wayland, Massachusetts. The property is shown on Assessor's Map 48, Parcel 42, and is located within the 100-foot buffer zone of bordering vegetated wetlands, as well as the 200-foot riverfront area. Luke, don't we need to take attendance before we get started? Yeah, and could somebody move John Storr over from attendees to panelist? I don't know who's the host tonight. I'm the host. Oh, okay. So under John Storr to... Okay, thank you. Yeah, Cliff, I don't believe that's necessary, but for the record, just to make everybody clear with who's here, we have dialing in remotely this evening, Barbara Howell, Shannon Fischer, Lisa Aubin, Clifford Lewis, and myself, Luke Legere, and Linda Hansen is at Town Hall at the Conservation Offices. And John is also on. Oh, I'm sorry. I think I was not here last meeting when John was maybe just joining us for the first time. So John Storr as well. I apologize.
Okay. Back to the hearing on 67A Loker Street. So 67A Loker Street asked to continue for tonight's hearing, as well as 68 Lakeshore also. So that's number one of A and B on our agenda. Okay. What is our next hearing date? August 19th. All right. So they want to go to the 19th, Linda? Please. Mm-hmm. Okay. I would take a motion to continue the hearing under Chapter 194 and the State Wetlands Protection Act to August 19th, 2026, sometime after 6.30 p.m. So moved. Thank you, Lisa. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Cliff. Roll call vote, please. Lisa Aubin? Yes. Clifford Lewis? Yes. Shannon Fischer? Yeah. Barbara Howell? Yes. John Storr? Yes. And Luke Legere is also a yes. All right. Moving along to item 2B. This is a hearing for 68 Lakeshore Drive and Weyland, DEP file number 322-1057. This is a continued hearing on a Notice of Intent filed pursuant to Weyland's Wetlands and Water Resource Protection Bylaw and the State Wetlands Protection Act, submitted by Jeremy Jenkins for the after-the-fact work performed at 68 Lakeshore Drive in Weyland, Massachusetts, including installation of a floating dock, gangway, ramp, retaining wall, patio, and repairs to the covered porch steps. The property is shown on Assessor's Map 42D, parcel 56, and is located within 100 feet of boring, vegetated wetlands, bank, and land under water. And, Linda, you indicated they also would like to continue? Yes. Okay. And also to the 19th of August? Let me double check that because he sent it in as a letter. Oh, no. To September 9th, he would like to continue to. Okay. I would take a motion then to continue the hearing under both Chapter 194 and the State Act to September 9th after 6.30 p.m. So moved. Thank you. Lisa, do I have a second? Very good. Thanks. Cliff, a roll call vote. Lisa Aubin? Yes. Cliff Lewis? Yes. Shannon Fischer? Yeah. Barbara Howell? Yes. John Storr? Yes. I also vote yes. All right. Rolling on here. 2C, 8 Carpenter Road. Do we have a DEP file number yet, Linda? We do not. No DEP file number yet. Okay. No. This is a continued hearing on the Notice of Intent filed pursuant to Weyland's Wetlands and Water Resource Protection Bylaw, as well as the State Wetlands Protection Act, submitted by Steve Garofalo for the construction of two additions, a deck, expansion of a dry driveway, septic system replacement, and associated utilities. The proposed work is within 100 feet of bordering vegetated wetlands and bordering land subject to flooding. The project shown on Weyland Assessor's Map 48, lot 113. Linda?
I believe we have Vito and the applicant on the call. Hi, this is Steve Garofalo. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes, Mr. Garofalo. We can hear you. Okay. I'm not sure why my picture's not showing up, my face is not showing up.
Oh, there we go.
Oh, sorry. Give me a second here. Hi. I think Vito is coming on at a different time because we're supposed to be third in line, but I don't see him on here yet. But I did talk to him today. So we are, yes, we are still waiting, unfortunately, for the DEP number. He did make another call today and didn't get any result other than they're still working on it. I don't know why it takes so long. It's been several weeks. But I still wanted to have the meeting this evening to see if there was any other issues so that when we do continue it on, I believe it's the 19th, that we'll just have this one item, kind of a housekeeping item with the DEP number to get that done, just kind of a formality. But since the last meeting, we did respond to the Dillis and Roy communication and everything that they said that the Conservation Commission may want this, they may want this, and they may want that. We did all those. And Vito did submit that. It was a proposed stockpile. It was a proposed staging. And it was testing pits for the dry wells. So he did send something to you guys and updated all that on the plan. That was one thing I was hoping we can get past today. And then at the last meeting, the planting plan was okayed except for adding two more trees, which we did do, and we submitted that a couple days after the last meeting. So that's all set. Hopefully that's all set as well. And then the last thing was, at one point, it was mentioned that the wetlands delineation flagging was done potentially too soon before the season started. And there was a report that was issued to Linder back on July 1st, them saying that everything, I'm looking, have it in my hands here, saying that everything that they did is the same. I mean, I'm not technical, but that's what Vito told me, and that's what it says here, that there was no additional changes. So I believe everything is all set except for the DEP plan. DEP number, I'm sorry. So I was hoping that maybe we could, if you guys agree with all that, that we could just, you know, approve it and just wait until the DEP. I'm sorry. Yeah, so thank you for that. Unfortunately, we can't close the hearing until we have a DEP file number, so we have to close the hearing before we can vote. So it's... Oh, okay. Thank you. I understand the frustration. I feel your pain. I've been in your shoes before, so I know how frustrating it can be waiting. Thank you. Appreciate it. That's out of our hands, unfortunately. Okay. But certainly, you know, thank you for that presentation, and we can give you whatever feedback we might have remaining on the more substantive aspects of this application, so that hopefully when we do reconvene, you'll have a DEP file number, and it can be, you know, we can proceed to close and vote. But we do have to wait for the net, even say we get the DEP number tomorrow, we still have to wait until the 19th? Yes. Yeah, that's correct. I just want to understand that. Thank you. Yeah, because the bottom line is at the end of our discussion here this evening, we're going to have to continue the hearing to a date and time certain. So that's going to be our next meeting, right? I mean, we don't... Maybe the number will show up tomorrow. Maybe not. So we just... Okay. There's really no other way for us to proceed. So may I ask if those other items that we talked about, the peer review, the wetlands delineation, no change update, and the planting plan update, those all set? Or do we... If there's issues, we can talk about those tonight. Other than that, I think it's a DEP. You certainly may ask. And I think that's what we're just about to discuss right now. So you'll have your answer in relatively short order, I think. So Linda, why don't you kick things off for us, please? Well, two things. I was CC'd on the email from DEP regarding the lack of file number for tonight's meeting. She claims that they're still waiting for, I guess, proof of payment for the filing fee. It's suggested if you have the cleared check that you could probably email it to Vito, and Vito will forward it to prove that, yes, you did pay the filing fee. So that's what they were waiting for the fee to clear, I think is what they have they technically call it. So that was her suggestion. And the second thing was I did look at the planting plan. I sent that to Shannon and Lisa also. You have four red maples on there. I mean, I think we could use a couple other just different types of trees. I mean, it's not a big deal, but they're good for wetland areas. But, I mean, where you're planning on putting them is pretty dry. So I think we could probably get a more upland, you know, more species, a more different type of tree. And that's an easy fix. Okay. And I don't know if Lisa or Shannon have any suggestions for that. Sorry. Because the last time we mentioned... Steve, would you let the ladies talk? I'd just ask them if they had an input, okay? Sorry. Sorry, Linda, I sort of dropped the ball on that email you sent. Like, off the top of my head, I wonder, could something like swamp white oak be appropriate there? I'm not sure if it needs the wet feed or not, but that would add a little more diversity. Yeah, yeah. I mean, right now there's four red maples, and I don't think we need four red maples there. So that's why I'm saying maybe a little bit more diversity in the trees that are planted. Barbara, what do you think? And I was wondering, this isn't about the trees, about putting blueberries right next to the house facing west. I don't think that's a very good place for blueberry bushes. No, I don't think they would do well there either. So, again, I think we can make some changes. That doesn't necessarily... I mean, we can approve a planting plan, or that's something the species can change. I mean, as long as you have the locations and the intent of putting shrubs and trees in, the actual species is something we can always work on, even after the permit is issued. But, like I said, those are my input was a little bit more diversity in the trees, and Barbara would like to see probably something other than blueberries planted right up against the house. Okay, and not in an area that probably doesn't get as much sun as they need. So, okay.
I mean, they could also look at, like, some of the hickories, pig nut, white oak. It wouldn't have to be swamp white oak. Lisa, I might be missing some stuff here. I'm just kind of... Yeah, if they want maybe an evergreen, hemlocks are good. Yeah, hemlocks are good. The adelgid can certainly be managed.
What else have we got here? Well, why don't I put that in an email and send it to you tomorrow, Steve, you know, our suggestions. Okay? Thank you. All right. And, Linda, I do believe that on the stormwater side, it appeared to me everything had been addressed. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Okay. All right. Okay. Commission members, any additional comments, thoughts, concerns?
Good to do. I had nothing. The peer review responses look good.
Okay. So, Mr. Garofalo, I think what you're hearing from us is we're, we appear to be good on the stormwater side. And with respect to the planting, if you could just work with Linda between now and the next meeting date to just, just to get a little diversity in the actual plants proposed. I think it sounds like that would address the other issue that we've been speaking about here this evening. And other than that, I think it sounds like we're all satisfied.
All right. So, continue to the 19th. Thank you. Yeah, sure. All right. I would take a motion then to continue this hearing under both Chapter 194 and the State Act to August 19th after 6.30 p.m. So moved. Thank you, Lisa. Do I have a second? Second. Thanks, Cliff. Roll call vote, please. Lisa Alvin. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Yes. Shannon Fischer. Yes. Barbara Howell. Yes. John Storr. Yes. And I'm a yes as well. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Garofalo. We'll see you in a few weeks. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye.
All right. Moving on to item 2D. 26 Rice Road in Wayland. Do we have a DEP file number here, Linda? We do. 322-1066. Okay. DEP file number 322-1066. This is a hearing on an abbreviated notice of resource area delineation filed pursuant to Wayland's Wetlands and Water Resource Protection Bylaw, as well as the State Wetlands Protection Act, submitted by Adam Stack for the confirmation of resource area delineations at 26 Rice Road in Wayland, Massachusetts. The site is shown on Assessor's Map 48, Lot 93. All right. Linda? I believe we have the applicant and the representative here. Is that Doug? Is that you? Hi there. Can you guys hear me all right? You can. Thank you. So, yeah, as you said, here also Adam is present on the meeting as well. So, this is for the property we were discussing the last time I was here, 26 Rice Road. So, with all that expired, wanting to just refresh and start, you know, just kind of from square one with establishing just the BVW around that PVP area. Doug. Doug, can you introduce yourself first? Oh, yeah. Apologies. Doug Dillon, Whatland Scientist, Garter Consulting. But, anyway, just, I know there's some resource areas over to the western portion of the property. Those are not so relevant to the kind of larger question. So, we're just proposing to review the BVW at the eastern, sort of the front, quote unquote, of the property. So, I understand the commission usually opts to perform a peer review for these a number of times. And, you know, it's absolutely something that we're, we're part of. Great. Thanks. Linda. I, if you saw in your packet, I also sent the wetland delineation that was done for the original notice of intent for the home, for the house construction. That was the 2018? Yeah. So, if you do see, there is an outlet to that vernal pool that goes south, right through the middle of that property. It's not shown on the current plan, the wetlands and the stream bed. I did go out there. I did not do, I mean, I don't, you know, I didn't hire a peer reviewer at this point, but there is, there's still a, you know, a stream bed that's, that's apparent there. It still looked pretty damp and there's actually a pipe that goes underneath Thompson Road at the, at the base of the stream bed. So I'm kind of surprised to see that, that, that wasn't delineated as a wetland because it, it sure looks like one. So. Yeah, that area in particular is questionable. And that's part of what, you know, I'd like to discuss like, and kind of hammer out, um, soils there were not really hydric at all. And there was just no wetland vegetation. I understand there is a culvert under that road there. Um, I think, I mean, historically that likely was a stream, but at the current, you know, anytime I've been there, I've not seen, you know, what appeared to be hydric features or wetland vegetation in that area. Um, and, you know, would just like to review that with the, you know, commission and, or, uh, who might like reading the site walk. But, uh, that's exactly what kind of trying to establish. Well, my recommendation that would be to, um, hire a peer reviewer to come up with, uh, you know, because I, I don't agree with Doug's delineation. Um, but I think it's important to have an independent peer reviewer to probably make that decision. So. Yeah. Thank, thank you, Linda. So I guess that's really the question for us here tonight, then commission members is whether we want to authorize Linda to go ahead with. Recruiting a peer review consultant to review this and rad and give us a report. Uh, anybody have any thoughts? I think we need that. I was wondering, they originally. Did the, um, wetlands in November and why did they even bother? Then they came back and did it in June, but I don't know whether they really did it or kind of glanced at what they did in November on November 20, November of 24. And I definitely want to think we need a peer review. Thanks Barbara. Yeah. The drought could be affecting some things as well, especially like maybe the presence of the outlet or not. Like we've had enough drought years, but these things can change on a dime. And then all of a sudden it has an outlet and it is a peer reviewer is a good idea. Thanks, Jen. Linda, can I ask you if the peer reviewer would figure out why the vernal pool seems to have disappeared? Uh, I mean, that's not part of this particular filing. This particular filing is to, to determine whether or not that, that, uh, that section of the lot or the property is dry as opposed to with the wetland like it was before. Um, so, um, I think, you know, we still have in front of us a certificate compliance request for the other property, for the, the whole property in a whole. And that that's probably the place to address that. So. I see. Thank you. Uh, commission members, any other comments? Hearing none for what it's worth. I agree. I think given the history here, uh, given the disparity between what we've seen previously and what's proposed, what's before us now. And, and Linda's disagreement with the delineation, I think it's important to get a peer review. Um, so I would take a motion to authorize Linda to proceed with recruiting a peer review consultant. So moved. Thank you, Lisa. Do I have a second? Second. Thanks. Cliff. Uh, roll call vote, please. Lisa Aubin. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Yes. Shannon Fischer. Yeah. Barbara Howell. Yes. John store. Yes. And I'm a yes as well. Um, anything else, uh, Mr. Dillon, that you'd like to discuss with us here this evening? No, it's just, uh, just for this area that, you know, we're going to be focusing on for the kind of larger question at hand, but just keeping it strictly to this, you know, area over here. And that's all. Well, that all sounds good to me. Okay. Um, thank you. So would you like to continue then to our next meeting? Yes. Yeah. If you guys are in your experience, you think you can get a peer reviewer quote or authorization by then? Yes. If not, um, just the next one, I suppose. Are you confident that you could do that? Well, I'll defer to Linda on that. Well, I, it depends if you want me to get, um, multiple quotes and find out availability. I'm not sure I can, I can do that all by, you know, August 19th. Okay. Yeah. Let's do, um, I mean, and I guess take it from there. I'll, I'll coordinate with Adam. Uh, yeah, that sounds good. Okay. Um, very well, then I would take a motion to continue this hearing under the. The state act in chapter 194 to August 19th after 630 PM. So moved. Thank you, Lisa. Do I have a second? I can. Thanks, Cliff. Roll call vote, please. Lisa Aubin. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Yes. Shannon Fischer. Yeah. Barbara Howell. Yes. John Storr. Yes. And Luke Leger is a yes as well. Thank you very much. Thank you, Tom. Okay. Uh, moving on now to public meetings. Okay. 3A. Uh, 16 Holiday Road in Weyland. This is file number D dash one zero four nine. Uh, this is a request for determination of applicability filed pursuant to Weyland's Wetlands and Water Resource Protection Bylaw, as well as the State Wetlands Protection Act submitted by, excuse me, submitted by Ryan Wade for the construction of a shed at 16 Holiday Road in Weyland, Massachusetts. The proposed work is within 100 feet of isolated vegetated wetlands. The property is shown on assessors map 18 as lot 66. Uh, Linda. Uh, Linda. Well, I don't know. Who do we have one? We have, I see Ryan on here. Do you have a representative with you for this, uh, um, this meeting? I'm traveling for vacation, unfortunately. Okay. Um, but, um, I honestly don't, this is my first time doing this. So, um, I don't tell me what, tell me what you'd like, like me to, to say, or do I walk through it? Um, cause I actually think if based off of the plot plan that the proposed shed is actually outside of the 100 foot limits. Um, uh, I, I have that plot plan. I can share it on the screen if you'd like and point out exactly where the, the shed would go. Um, but I do think it's just outside of the 100 foot and I do believe it's probably over 30 feet from the, uh, the, the small, uh, wetlands that are, uh, in between my yard and my neighbor's yard. So every, everybody should have gotten that plan in their agenda packet. So I'm, I'm not sure if you need to share that. I mean, I think it's a really straightforward, um, request. You're taking down the shed and the chicken coop and putting in a new one, a new shed. Um, I, I don't really have any, um, issues with this. I don't know. You know, the commission has also has a chance to weigh in. I mean, one question I did have was how you were planning on stalling the shed. Is this, is it going to be on a foundation? Is it on cinder blocks on just crushed stone? How, how are you thinking of, uh, putting that on, putting that? I think we discussed with the contractor on, on a raised plat, some sort of something that would be raised off the ground. Yeah. Like a raised platform or something. Okay. Correct. Yep. Okay. And then, um, typically what isolated wetlands are can be vernal pools. I mean, that's, and, and so I don't know, do you ever hear anything coming from that isolated wetlands, like peepers and frogs and things, sounds that come out of there in the spring? It's really hard because I mean, my, my whole backyard is, is, is wetlands is, um, on the map. And then the neighbors both to the left and right of us also have wetlands behind their house. So the, the neighborhood is, is, is quite loud in regards to animals, coyotes, peepers, everything. Okay. No, you know, it's a, it's a really small, isolated wetland. So it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's not like it's, you know, it's a questionable whether or not there would be a breeding area there or not. I was just kind of curious, but it sounds like you have a fairly robust habitat back there, which is a nice thing. So we, we, we love it. Um, all the, all the different wildlife is fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good. No, I don't, I don't have any further issues. Anybody else? Thanks Linda. Members, any comments, questions, concerns? I mean, it seems straightforward. I mean, the, the new shed is going to be further away from that isolated wetland. Um, and, uh, and the other wetlands, um, than the original. So it's definitely an improvement. Yep. And the older exists, the older things will be taken down as, as, uh, uh, Linda said, the, um, older shed and the old image in the chicken. Actually, it was technically a rabbit rabbit hutch, but that will be removed. So. Okay. All right. Um, well then seeing and hearing no further questions. This is not a hearing, so we don't need to close the hearing. Uh, so I would take a motion to issue a negative determination under the state act and a permit under chapter 194. So moved. Thank you. Lisa. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you. Cliff. Roll call vote. Uh, Lisa Aubin. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Yes. Shannon Fischer. Yeah. Barbara Howell. Yes. John Storr. Yes. And I am a yes as well. Mr. Wade. Wade, thank you very much. Sorry to interrupt your vacation for your hearing tonight, but you're all set. That's all. So we're, we're good to proceed. Oh yeah. No, you're going to get a permit from me. Oh, I'm going to get a permit from you. Okay. We don't do anything verbal. It's everything just in paper format. So just, just wait to see that from Linda, but you're, you've, you've gotten your approval here. You just need to get the physical permit. Do you need me to speak by the office or is that going to be done? What I tend to do is I email it to you, electronic format, and then I send you a hard copy. Perfect. You're always welcome to come pick it up if you'd rather, but. Email's fine. Email's fine. I just wasn't sure again. This is the first time I'm doing this. So I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I will send you a hard copy with, with the signature on it, you know, with the original signature. So you have that in your files, but I typically, I scan it and send it to you. So you know that I've issued it. Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Alrighty. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good one. All right. Moving on. Uh, for a stormwater and land disturbance, uh, 15 Piquot Road. File number SWLD dash one six seven. Linda. All right. I guess we have Israel Burl, who is the engineer for this project and maybe can introduce or talk, tell us about it to tell the commission about it. Absolutely. Uh, can you hear me? Yes. Great. Thanks so much for having me. My name is Israel Burl. My company's Burl engineering. Um, this is my first meeting with the conservation commission in Wayland. So feel free to interrupt me if you need me to say something or talk about something else. Um, we are requesting a stormwater and land disturbance permit. Um, we are just barely triggering the, um, the land disturbance threshold by, um, a couple thousand square feet. Um, it's a, you know, new development project. Um, it's not in any, um, it's not in any wetland or riverfront resource areas. Um, but it's, we're, you know, we're here for the stormwater management specifically from my understanding. Um, we want to do a proposed house, uh, with septic system driveway patios, just general site improvements. Um, and, uh, I've shown a stormwater infiltration system that complies with the Wayland bylaws as well as the Massachusetts stormwater handbook. Um, so if you have any questions, feel free to let me know. Thank you very much, Mr. Burl. Uh, Linda, start with you, please. Yeah, I do have a number of questions. I mean, I, I think the, doing a stormwater, um, hydro cad, you know, modeling exercise is a bit overkill because you're only adding, you claim to be adding 200 square feet of new impervious. Um, but I still need to do a little bit more work on this one. Um, so let's start with, um, again, I can, I can summarize all this in an email to, to you tomorrow. Um, so the septic was approved in 2025. Um, and it's, it's a whole different plan than what we have. So I was the septic already put in. No, no. Okay. Okay. And the septic plan actually showed 15 trees were going to be removed from that. And looking at the aerial photos, it looks like that some trees have already been removed. Right at the back of the house. So we're going to need to know what tree removal is getting taken down for this project and stuff that has been, you know, in the past year, because our, our, our regulations are cumulative. So if you, if you took them down, you know, six months, a year ago, they need to be added to that number too. Um, cause I, it appears to me that Mr. Driscoll purchased this house last year already. Is that correct? Yeah. So, and, um, so that's number one was, um, we all have to have the same plan. Okay. And the septic plan does not show the stormwater on it. And that has to be, so you're going to have to send that back to, to the health department again. Um, they, you know, there's, there's offsets to the stormwater system that have to be complied with. And that, again, that's not my jurisdiction. That's theirs. So, um, let them handle that one. Okay. Uh, let's see. And when in your impervious calculations, did you include the deck stairs and walkway too? Cause it just says building in there. So, um, I, I conservatively included all of that as impervious. Um, I know that's generally overkill, but just to be safe and just to make sure that we're not missing anything. Okay. Uh, the other thing is curb cut permits. So you're moving your driveway, right? And you're moving it over to the other side of house. So you do have to touch base or you have to apply for that, um, with DPW. And the one thing they're going to ask you is whether or not you're managing the stormwater from that, from that driveway. And it doesn't look like you are, it looks like you're just spilling it into the municipal roadway. And so you're not going to get a permit in that situation. So, um, you're going to have to show us. Cause that's one of the requirements of the chapter 193 is you have to manage your own stormwater. You know, you can't be sending it to a municipal system and municipal roadway. Can't send it to your neighbors, obviously. So, uh, we're going to have to see some sort of way of picking up the driveway runoff. Okay. Pitching, you know, swales, something, you know, something to show us that, that you're controlling that. Okay. And are you bringing fill in for this, or is this just a matter of moving dirt around? It should generally be moving dirt around. Um, it's honestly, we're trying to keep the grades. The topography is similar to existing grade as we can. Um, so it should just be a regrading exercise. Um, just based on the material we're going to have to remove to put the driveway in and stuff like that. Okay. Cause it says you're, you're, you're disturbing 14,000 square feet. And I assume that meant then, did that include the, the installation of the septic system too? I included everything just to be safe. Okay. Yeah. I assume that that's what you did. So, all right. Cause I, that was my, one of my questions was, are you bringing in fill? So, and then, um, you're using, you're using the, um, loamy sand, uh, infiltration rate for the, for the call text. So, um, you know, just we'll need confirmation of that in the field at some point when we, you know, when you excavate for that, um, there'll be a site inspection for that. Okay. Great. But that's like, again, I'll summarize all this in an email tomorrow. Um, uh, cause I do have, I have some more very specific things regarding the, the, the way it's the stormwater is designed, the system is designed. So I thought I'll just throw some questions out at you then. Okay. I don't have to bore the commission with that. All right. Mm-hmm. Um, do you mind if I ask you a few questions? Sure. Um, as far as tree removal, what specifically do you need to see? Is there a certain diameter caliper you need to see as far as removal? Yeah. So that's all in the regulations and that's everything you, anytime you cut seven or more trees down, you need to compensate for them. Yeah. And we consider a tree to be six inches, um, diameter. Great. Yeah. We don't, we don't regulate dead trees. Yep. So, and you know, something that's basically falling over or broken or something like that, you know, um, that's really hard to regulate that one too. But, um, I, I looked in the aerial photo. It looks like there's quite a bit of canopy in the backyard. So, um, and then regarding the other two permits, the septic permit and the curb cut permit, um, do you need to see approval of those before I can get approval from the conservation commission? No, I don't. Um, when you do file with the building department for a building permit that that's all done in electronic permitting. And then all these emails go out to everybody who has a part in that. And, um, so that that's when, when it all has to come together. Okay. Sure. The building permit. Okay. Yep. I, I would say as a general rule, typically, you know, we, we wait until the board of health has acted or is pretty well satisfied just in the interest of efficiency, right? Really to for everybody's sake, so that you're not having to come back to us with a constantly changing plan. But to Linda's point, that's not, not necessary if, if it's all heading in the same direction. Yeah. Well, look, they really approved the septic plan, but last year. So that's why, you know, that's why we're sitting here with two separate plans because I think, I think something's changed since they, they, um, designed the, the septic. So, and it's a different engineer too. So. I can, I can clarify that if that'd be helpful. Um, the location of the septic system has not changed at all. The only thing that's changed is the building location. Um, we rotated the building slightly. So, um, it, everything was designed to conform with the title five setbacks for the septic system. Um, so there shouldn't be any issues there. It's just a formality of refiling the septic plan with the board of health. Yeah. Cause there was nothing on there on their plan. So he needs to see it. You know, he needs to see where you're putting it. Okay. Sure. Okay. Uh, it sounds like, uh, Linda, you and Mr. Burl will be in communication here, uh, to help him understand what more he might need. And we'll just sort of take it from there. This isn't a hearing. So we don't need to continue it to a specific date. Um, anything else we should address while we're here this evening? No, no, I don't think so. But it sounds like we do need some clarification. You know, this falls under major permit because it's disturbing more than 10,000 square feet of land. But what we don't need really is a hydro CAD report when there's, when there's so little impervious increase, you know, that seems like a complete overkill. So, but, um, I guess that's worth clarifying a little bit in our regulations at some point. So. Sure. Thank you for that. Okay. Okay. Um, all right. Uh, Mr. Braun, unless there's anything else from you that, that I think does it for us this evening. Great. Yeah. Um, yeah. It's just so I have a clear, um, this doesn't need to go to another hearing. We can work this out, um, outside of the hearings. Yeah. So I will send you, you know, with my, my very specific things that I came up with when I looked at it. And, but, but so, but just, just to be clear, I mean, we, we do have to, we do have to vote. Um, and I guess. So, so, uh, what I was suggesting, Mr. Broll was really that you and Linda could sort of work offline, hopefully between now and our next meeting, um, to address her questions and concerns, and then come back to us one more time and hopefully everything will be ironed out and we can vote at that point. And that gives you a chance to, to, you know, to communicate with, um, the health department and, um, file for curb cut permit from DP, DPW. So then at least you can get the ball rolling on different things at the same time too. Okay. Great. Okay. Um, anything else? Okay. Well, thank you very much. We appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Um, five a certificate of compliance for 41 Grove street, uh, file number D dash six, six, seven. Linda. So I, yeah, I do think we may have somebody on. I'm not sure if we do or not. Um, this isn't there. It's it's, um, they're selling the house. Um, they need a, they need closure on this. The, the, the RDA was actually recorded. So that's, what's holding up the closing at this point because the permit was not closed out on, but the weird thing is, is when I pulled the file, there's, there's a, um, a request for a COC. There was actually, um, a COC that was actually written and, you know, prepared and not signed. And I look through, there's no such thing as minutes for this time period. And, uh, look through some notes that were, um, posted, um, on the, on our server. And I, I'm not sure they ever even put it on, on a meeting agenda. I couldn't find it anywhere. So it just, it just fell into like never, never land sort of thing. But I mean, I don't, I don't see any reason they moved the driveway. That's all they did for this project. So, um, I really don't see any issues with, with issuing is something that I consider like ancient history sort of thing. So. Okay. Thanks commission members. No, I just, I noticed the dates on it. So I'm glad Linda mentioned something. I'm like, it's a long time. Yeah. I know. It was like the letter was dated. Oh, eight. And there was, it was stamped received, I think in 2010 or something. There was some weird, weird timeline. I mean, if they planted trees or shrubs, how would I ever know? I mean, after 10 years, it's like, you know, it's, they're, they're way too big to understand whether or not that's new or old or, you know, where they came from. So, uh, okay. Anything else from the commission? Okay. Anything else from the commission? Okay. If I make the motion for practice. Go for it. All right. I moved to issue a certain certificate of compliance for 41 Grove Street. Is that all I need to say? Yes. Good enough for me. Okay. Thank you. Lisa. Do we have a second? Okay. Thank you. Cliff roll call vote, please. Lisa. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Oh, yes. Shannon Fischer. Yes. Barbara Howell. Yes. John store. Yes. And I'm a yes as well. Okay. Um, six public comments. Can I make a non public comment? You can make a, yeah, you're absolutely. Just to inform the board. Um, our last meeting, we talked about, uh, starting and looking into what I call a tree sustainability, uh, initiative. Uh, and I was able to make contact with a chap at the state and his name is Chris Pryor, uh, who's the DCR service forester for Wayland. And they have programs like this at the state level. So we're trying to get together with him, uh, just to see, you know, just to see where we start. Uh, so as soon as we have some more to say about that, we'll report it to the board. Thanks Cliff. Thanks Cliff. And thanks for taking the initiative there. That's, uh, yeah. Shannon's on board too. And so is Linda. It's not just me. I owe you several emails, Cliff. That's been a hell of a two weeks. So I'm playing catch up. You didn't lose any weight over this, did you Shannon? What? You didn't lose any weight. Please. I hope not. No, no, I'm all set. Well, thank you all. Um, okay. So that's good. I don't see any other participants or panelists with hands raised. I have. Oh, I was going to say, I have a couple of things I wanted to insert if that's okay. Sure. You want to do it now? I can. Uh, there was an email that was sent out by the town, the town for the annual reports are due September 30th. So we're going to take Barbara off the hook this year. And, um, Emily, uh, offered to prepare a draft for you. So, is that okay, Barbara? If I don't have to do it. Emily offered to do it. So if you, if you're okay with that. Great. Okay. Okay. Barbara looks upset. She looks really bummed out. It doesn't really, really sad day for her. It takes weeks. Uh, and when we have it all here, we have the database and everything. So it's so much easier. I think for us to do that anyway, we're coming up with numbers. So also, um, the floodplain bylaw that was, um, voted on a town meeting in April has not made it to the attorney general's office for approval yet. And when it does, we're going to change. We're going to have to change our chapter one 94 regulations again, and pull all that floodplain stuff out that we kind of added as a, as an interim measure. So I don't know if that's going to be on the next meeting or not. Um, it might be in the September meeting, but it should be a pretty quick hearing just to remove things. Um, although we probably do want to change the tree compensation. So it aligns with chapter one 93 also. I don't know. Did you listen in Luke? There was a meeting today with DEP to discuss the new wetland regulations and they're adding tree, you know, um, sort of tree removal stuff into that. And so now we're, you know, I think ours is still going to be much stricter, which is the way it should be. But it's, it's interesting now that they're adding things like, um, invasive plant removal as a limited project. Um, they're adding, um, uh, you know, discussing trees. One thing that came up was whether or not they consider a Norway maple and invasive. And, you know, the argument was it still provides canopy and shade and habitat. So I think they're leaning, you know, until the comments come through, you know, probably from this, these draft regulations, it's questionable whether or not they're going to consider, um, a Norway maple, a tree that's regulated or a tree that's considered invasive. So, so I think it's, it's worth considering, you know, thinking about that, how we handle it too in our, in our regulations at that point. So. Are these, doesn't the state consider Norway maple invasive? Are they not on the prohibited list? They, it is for planting, right? You can't plant a Norway maple. I believe that's the way it's written. But in this case, they're, they're adjusting the wetland regulations, right? So they want to figure out how to handle, if somebody takes down a Norway maple, is that a good thing? Or have you never, you know, canopy and shade and, you know, habitats and everything else. So, you know, it's, it's possible, you know, somebody could take a whole stand of Norway maples off and, and completely change the environment. And, you know, then, especially in a wetland environment. Right. So, um, so I think the, I think the jury's still out about whether or not, you know, it's how the, how, how they're going to regulate a Norway maple under the tree regulations. So whether you get a pat on the back or a slap on the wrist, or both, you know, we could do that. I mean, I took down a ton of Norway maples and installed native trees here. So, and that's exactly what, you know, we want you to do. But there was a period of time where the hydrology was probably changed. True. But I mean, again, and these, and you know, what they're saying is you do get a pass and not have to compensate for anything. Right. So, okay. Speaking of trees that you saw my email, that was really disappointing to see 60, 80 trees taken down at 17 Gleason. So yeah, um, it's, we'll have to, I have yet to hear back from the person. It was kind of a real cagey, um, you know, um, interaction I had with the person who was there. Wouldn't give me names. Wouldn't give me phone numbers. Wouldn't give me email address. Told me to send the, the violation notice to that address yet. Obviously nobody's living there. I mean, it's a really derelict looking house. So, um, I, you know, again, I'm just sort of in a situation. Like I don't know how to communicate with the, with the owner at this point. So I did Google Stockholm. He has a Bill Ricca address. So I did send the violation to that. And I sent it to 17 Gleason again, whether or not, you know, we, we hear a response or not, I don't know, but I did give him, you know, I told him at this, when I arrived there, it was a cease and desist. You know, you're done, you know, that you're done with, you know, any change. You know, any tree removal until you get, you know, go follow through with the permitting on this. So tax record would show you the property owner, wouldn't it? Wouldn't it? Well, it was just, it was just sold and it was sold to a group of three people. And they, they claim that 17 Gleason was their address. Oh, okay. And I mean, that's kind of weird that you're claiming the place you're buying as your current address. Right. Hard to send a tax bill there, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. So I can, I can follow through with the water department too. They actually had a phone number for me, but I, of course, nobody answered. Nobody responded. Nobody listened to my voicemail probably. So, um, uh, I, I really, you know, I could post a big sign at the driveway. Like, you know, cease and desist, you know, is this the vials property? Yes. Yes. I mean, that's been sort of like knocking around with like, but that's weird. Yeah. What property? Is this the vials property that they're selling? Yeah. Well, it is. It's sold. This is a new owner. Oh, this is the one that, um, oh, wait, who wanted to not SVT. Um, they're back right up to the school property. Yeah. And some people were interested in buying it. And I thought I did buy it, but they weren't the kind of people. They used to grow Christmas trees back there. Oh, did they? Oh yeah. Well, now. Years ago. And, um, it's sort of almost sticks into the school property. I did ask the surveyor, there are bounds on the side of Holiday Road. So, um, there should be, um, stone bounds that mark the property so that if, if they've gone over, it should, I mean, I don't know how easy it is to find these. I mean, these are probably ancient, the stone bounds that are there. There's a path that goes down from orchard lane that you could walk right, but the path is growing over. I used to walk in there all the time. Hmm. And, and you could probably, you could probably get to the edge of the property to see where they're just, you know, with the, uh, the area of tree removal, if you wanted to. So. Mrs. Files would be quite old that sold the property. Yeah. I think, I think, yeah, I think Sean took a peek at it yesterday. So. Mm. But you can get there for more children or holidays. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And I think from the North Cemetery, too. So, right. And the cemetery. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. So. Everyone will always watch all through there. Mm-hmm. It's so weird that that happened. Yeah. I mean, you gotta ask questions, right? I mean, you buy a new property and you just, you just, you know, go at it and hire, you know, tree removal company to take down 60, 80 trees. I mean, why would you ask questions first? You know, so. More and more, it seems like people are taking the route of, uh, you know, feeling it's better to seek forgiveness than ask for permission. Yeah. You know. You have people who don't give a damn about the environment or the wildlife, despite needing to live in it. You wonder, did they take any school department trees down along? I asked about it and they were stone bound. So, I mean, somewhere along the line, we could probably try to find those. Maybe we could find some volunteers who might be happy to, to start looking for, um, you know, the, the property boundaries and the markers there. So. And you said, Linda, there was, you thought there was something else on Moore Road. I, I got a call today about tree removal at 75 Moore Road. Um, I guess they've been using like a, it's a steep hill. They've been using some sort of like sled, like, um, um, apparatus to take the trees down off the slope and bring it down to Moore Road. So she says it's gotten really muddy and it looks like it's starting to road now that area. So I think it's that, it's that extension of Moore Road. Like there's, it's also like a driveway that leads to a couple of houses. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, I didn't see it myself, but I just looked it up on a map when you mentioned it earlier. The person who called said that it was coming. They were, they were operating off of Moore Road, you know, then, um, so they were taking a lot of the trees off the slope, which could cause trees too. So who would do that? Well, it seems like a lot of people do it. Yeah. Taking them down on the slope, it's just going to cause so much erosion. Mm-mm. It's a terrible idea. I think I passed the equipment today too. And I, I didn't realize I, I sort of, I was more concerned that they were working on the other side of the street, um, on some of those snags, which, which wouldn't be great, but like people would do that. I had no idea they were working opposite. So, you know, we own the pond over there, right? At what is that? 74, maybe? The one across the street. Mm-hmm. That's, that's. I thought it was SVT property there. Yeah. That's conservation property. The pond itself. Oh, the pond. The nice, like the old farmhouse. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Every year. Oh, sorry. Yeah. But the property I think behind that is both SVT and U.S. Fish and Wildlife lands. So, yeah. But the pond is, the pond has a trail that goes around it too. So you can go from more road to the way to the back towards Castle Hill and that's, that's conservation. So. So I don't know Shannon, when you dialed in, but Linda mentioned earlier or Barbara suggested, you know, writing something up in the, in the post. Mm-hmm. And I had suggested, you know, we could adapt the article that I put together. We put in the wild Whalen newsletter and adapted. In fact, there's probably not much we need to do, but, um, Linda had asked that I just worked with Emily. And so. Yeah, that's great. You know, if there's anything you think we would want to change putting it in the public, in the Whalen post, but I don't think so. So. I thought it was great. I just threw it right in the newsletter. Okay. And then it took 500 years to get it out, but it is out. Emily got it through the door. Yeah. So I'll, I'll talk to, I'll talk to Emily. Do you need some examples? What? Okay. Well, I don't know if it's a good idea to call people out on that, but. Really? No. I don't know if we want to. I'm fine putting my name on it, but I don't know if we want to write it on behalf of the conservation commission, how we want to do it, you know, so. You should definitely have your name on it. Okay. Okay. So yeah, I'll reach, I'll reach out to Emily. But yeah, if anyone has any other ideas beyond what's in that newsletter, if everyone saw it.
It's a great piece. Probably the best in that newsletter. Good newsletter. And that's saying something. Yeah. Thanks. Well, thank you for that, Lisa. Linda, anything else? We just have minutes and a German, I think. Yeah. No. So I, I know you, you had, you said you had a few things you wanted. There's so much going on. I mean, Sean and I talked yesterday too, you know, this lawsuit with one 22, one 24 lakeshore is still ongoing. Um, just received a, um, a counter claim and document and I can't really talk about it because it is confidential. Um, but, um, you know, the, the conservation commission is, is, is, uh, the plaintiff in this. So, um, I think, I think you guys probably need to have some more involvement in this. And maybe that's, you know, next time we have an executive session session to talk about some of the other projects. We can talk about that one too. So. Yeah. That, that sounds like a subject for executive session for sure. Okay. Um, thank you. Uh, then turning to, uh, 7a, the meeting minutes from July 8th, 2026. I was absent from that meeting, so I will, uh, abstain from any vote, but, uh, any comments, questions, Barbara, do you have a chance to look those over? I looked them over. It looked fine to me. I had two, I had just two minor edits and they were just mainly typos. So I, there was, everything was good. Okay. Do I have a motion to approve those minutes? Oh, yes. I moved to approve the minutes of the. June. No, sorry. July 8th meeting. Excellent. Thank you, Lisa. Do I have a second, please? Second. Thank you. Cliff, roll call vote. Lisa Aubin. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Yes. Shannon Fischer. Yes. Barbara Howell. Yes. John Storr. Yes. And I'm going to abstain as I was not there. Um, okay. Okay. Any last comments? Anything else anybody wants to address while we're here? Hearing and seeing none, I would take a motion to adjourn for the evening. So moved. Thank you much. Do I have a second? Second. Second. Thanks, Cliff. Roll call vote, please. Lisa Aubin. Yes. Cliff Lewis. Yes. Shannon Fischer. Yes. Barbara Howell. Yes. John Storr. Yes. And I'm a yes as well. Okay. Record time, folks. Yes, Mr.