July 14, 2026 – Finance Committee Appointing Board – Video & Transcript
July 14, 2026 - Finance Committee Appointing Board
Well, it is 1030, so I will officially call us to order on Tuesday, July 14th, 2026, 1030 in the morning.
We are meeting, this is the Finance Committee Appointing Board. We have a full contingent today of Carol Martin, Miranda Jones, and myself, Cherry Karlson.
This is a Zoom meeting only, only remote access. So we are, there is no in-person component to this meeting.
We will take public comment via Zoom, and both for the meeting and for public comment, the link is both on the agenda and on the town's website.
Let's see, we are being recorded, and will be posted on WACAM according to their schedule. And I think that those are sort of the major clerical components we have to do. I will review the agenda for the public. I'll take any announcements from the board, and then any public comment. And then we will be joined. The main purpose for today's meeting is to interview a candidate for a position on the Finance Committee. So Krishna Kondo will be joining us. Based on the outcome of that, we may take a look at the recruitment statement for posting. We have draft minutes from the June 25th meeting to review. We'll talk about a need for a next meeting date, any reports and concerns, and adjourn, I think, sometime, you know, just after 11 is my thought. Any announcements from the board? Anyone willing to do minutes? Say it again? I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm taking, I'm taking them right now. Already doing them. Let me turn my volume up. Usually I turn my volume way down, so. No problem.
Okay, and. Just public comment. To look, exactly, to see if we have any public comment. I'm not seeing anyone attending other than our candidate. So I will say there's no public comment. And then Jalen, I would ask if you could move Krishna over to be a panelist, so that he can join our meeting. That would be great.
And then we'll move on to the interview portion when he joins us. Our packet does include his resume, so that those who are interested can take a look at that, as well as help our discussion. I've promoted him as a panelist. I think it's just waiting for him to join.
Well, we're about three minutes early for his interview. Yeah.
Let me just sit here.
Okay, he's joining as a web. Yes, I was going to say, it looks like he's joining. Yeah, good. I was just checking my email. So we're. Okay, Krishna, are you here?
Completely new. Like, I've been listening all over and I'm like, how do I get here? Yeah. Well, that is your first test. So you're here. You passed the ability to zoom. So there we go. Well, welcome. Thank you, Terry. Krishna. Yes, nice to put name and face together. I, Krishna and I spoke, oh, I don't know, sometime in June, prior to when we interviewed our prior candidates, he just could not make that meeting. So we haven't spoken since then, and nice to put name and face together.
And so also with us today, Krishna, our Miranda Jones, yep, Miranda Jones, who's our town moderator, and Carol Martin. Hi, Krishna, thanks for coming. Yeah. Carol Martin, who's chair of the select board. And I'll let them talk a little more when we do this, so thanks. So the main purpose for our meeting today is to interview Krishna and talk about his interest in the position on the finance committee. And Krishna, after we chat with you, we'll dismiss you with thanks, and then the three of us will chat and make an appointment decision, and I'll get back to you today either way. But I just wanted to let you know sort of the flow of the meeting. Yeah, thank you. On how we handle interviews. Okay, great. And I did share both the agenda and the packet with Krishna, so he knows that we have his resume and that it was posted. So Krishna, to start us off, do you want to just tell us, because of our committee, I have not shared anything that we talked about with either Carol or Miranda. So if you want to just go into why you were interested in FinCom, why you thought it was a good fit, where you are in life, sort of the outline that you gave me, and then we'll go into other questions. Yeah, definitely. Sure. So just hi, everybody, and I'm a well-in resident for the last three years, and I moved to Boston, like maybe 2005, so it's been like 21 years. I know in and out in Boston, Metro West, you know, I lived most of the life in Mass and Newton, Chestnut Hill, as well as Watertown, Majority. So I was never part of, like, I'd never had a feeling of a town because I was so close to cities, like everything was random, and, you know, I'm like, okay, how do I just feel like a city? I'm like, wait a minute, this is different. So when I went to move to Ireland, I'm like, I have this acceptance feeling from the town, like, oh, now I belong to a town where I have a voice, right? So, interestingly, I think I was talking to a few people outside, you know, the professional life, you know, I ran into Prashant Shukla, who is in the school committee, and there was a conversation, hey, you know, town needs help. And then, coincidentally, you know, we have Wayland Post, Wayland Post said, we have five vacancies. I'm like, okay, this is it, right? And then, the reason I wanted Finance Post was, like, almost 10 years ago, my boss, you know, with whom I worked, he used to be an Arlington resident, and he was in the finance committee over there. And then I'm like, how do I join? And I'm like, maybe I thought, you know, I did not ask him questions, but maybe it's a full-time job, I thought. I never knew it's a volunteer job, but I could pitch in. And then I think everything came together, like, you know, I wanted to do something back, and I moved to Wayland, and then ran into Prashant, and the Wayland Post came in front of me five vacancies. I'm like, okay, this is it. I can make some meaningful contributions to the town, you know. I have two kids, high school and middle schoolers, so I'm like, I want to get engaged with the town activities and, you know, help in any manner.
So, that's the history of it. Yeah, great. Thank you. I appreciate that, and I do love the enthusiasm that our new volunteers and residents bring to the town. Thank you. As opposed to the... As opposed to the three of us here who've been volunteering for decades, so it's good. Oh, is it? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, wow. Refreshing. Yes, all of us, yeah. Great, well, I will open it up, Miranda or Carol, whoever would like to go first, if you have any questions for Krishna or background you want to share. So, Miranda, I went first, last meeting. Why don't you go first? Sure, I'd be happy to. Hi. Hi, Krishna. I'm Miranda Jones. I am the town moderator. I so appreciate your coming and being willing to serve. It's critical that we have members of the community serve on our various town boards. It's great to have new blood, okay? And because it brings new ideas, which is really, really helpful. And so, welcome to Whalen, too, since you've only been here for three years. I hope your family is enjoying the community. So, Finance Committee, I looked at your three-year resume. I see you have a huge technical background. I also see you have an MBA, which is great. I understand, based on what you just said, that, you know, sometimes the universe presents an opportunity. Are you familiar at all with what the Finance Committee does for our town, how it rolls? It has changed over the last few years. And so, for somebody who's just been here for three years, that's great. You don't even know how – you don't need to know how it used to run. But are you familiar with how it works? I've never been on the Finance Committee and never will be. So, yeah, it's not something that is – I think in the broad – Yeah, go ahead. No, go ahead. In broad strokes, right? This is exactly – I spoke to several people. I think Doug Levine, I think I spoke to him in, like, five, ten minutes. And then, Cherry, I think I spoke to you, like, 30 minutes, getting to know him. And then Cherry put me in touch with Rob, Quimby, I guess, Rob Q. And I spoke to him. And then I think throughout the process, I got similar information around, you know, I have notes around, you know, responsibilities and commitment where we review, recommend the budget. Sometimes we have to speak to several people to get an understanding. We have to warrant write-up, you know, something like this. I really enjoy reading this. I'm like, wait a minute, this is good. I never – you know, while in other terms, I never got this. I'm like, this is, like, interesting. You know, what does 200K actually buy? What does 200K study will not do? This is crystal clear. I love it. So, I think those are the few things I think that Cherry mentioned, that the municipal budgeting is kind of different than others, which is quite – like, ah, that's an eye-opener for me. And that's kind of got me interested, you know, to maybe – you know, I have all the nuts and bolts to help out as needed if I get appointed. But if not, it's cool, I'm completely fine. I can voice my opinion or, you know, ideas in some other fashion as well. Right. Well, it's good to learn new things. It really is. It keeps the mind sharp, right? Yeah. Right, exactly. Especially these days. Right. Well, great. Well, thank you so much for your willingness to serve. I do truly appreciate it. Carol, I'll pass the ball to you. And do you have any questions or – Just hang on just one second. I'm going to mute myself for a second here. Yeah.
So I'm at our Cape House, which is probably less than half the size of the other house. So if anyone comes in and out, you just hear the noise. I was pausing for that. So hi, how are you? Thank you for, you know, applying. And I will – you already know Terry was on the Finance Committee. I served on the Finance Committee for several years as well before, you know, joining the Select Board. I think it's very near and dear to my heart in that it does an incredible amount of service for the residents. I think math is – I think math is – math, graphs, charts of numbers are sometimes a little overwhelming for folks who are not math-oriented. And I think the Finance Committee does – As a matter of fact, Mr. Levine has said to me on several occasions, I don't do math. I do words. That's why I'm a lawyer. Yeah, the standard line is I went to law school because I said no math. That's it. Okay. That's it. But he always says that. So, you know, it's really a huge service that you do, and you work – you report, actually, to town meeting. And when you do that report at town meeting, you know, the recommendation for the budgets, for the articles, for the capital budget, and what have you. So, I agree. I think it's terrific to have some new blood. I do see you also went to Babson. You'll be our third FinCon member out of four that have MBAs from Babson. Oh, wow. Nice. Yeah. And one of our members actually teaches there. I think he may not have a degree from there, but he actually teaches. I don't want to misquote myself. So, I want to know, have you had a chance – well, I will say this. The Finance Committee reappointed – did some reappointments at our last meeting, which was in June – a couple weeks ago.
So, now the Finance Committee actually had their first meeting for this fiscal year last night, and they voted their leadership. And Carl Barnes is the chair. So, I would recommend that you reach out to Carl. So, I don't know if you've read any of the – had a chance to read any of the agendas or any of the minutes of things that they were working on, maybe in the last couple months. That would be online. Have you had a – did you have a chance to do that? So, yes, not a couple months. I think six months ago or so, I think I had this – I reviewed it, articles on this, you know, warrant. And then yesterday I was going through how the agendas – I was completely impressed, but I didn't dig into the details, you know, how they – you know, the math and other things. Do you read the whole warrant?
No. That's amazing. I was impressed with how detailed – the only thing I had was, like, isn't it available online, this warrant? Yes. Yes, it is. We make it available online. I can send you the link, Christian. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Anyway, I would recommend – I would recommend – maybe Terry probably can send you Carl's information. But everybody's email in town – on the town side is first initial, last name, at whalen.ma.us. So, for example, if you wanted to reach out to Terry or Miranda or myself, that's the format. And you can reach out to Carl as well. I would recommend speaking with Carl. Get a feel for what – we have a fairly young finance committee. And I think if a couple of you are new, totally new, you'll be kind of learning as you go. So, it'll be a – so – and I think – So, you're not alone. Yeah. In that regard. Yeah. So, I think that – But there are some seasoned people on it as well. For us? Right. Some new, some seasoned, some whatever. So, it's a good balance. And to your point, the flyer that you just showed, I'm glad you read that because we are, for the third year in a row, facing a potential operating override. And, of course, the finance committee is integral in making a report to the select board. So, we are doing some analysis on that. So, anyway. But, anyway, thank you very much for coming forward. Is this a new thing? Because then the three years ago, I did not see this. Or maybe I haven't received it, I guess, this sort of articles. Do you know what he's got there? I don't happen to know what that is, but – No, we don't – it doesn't look familiar. It just – is it from Wayland? Oh. Yeah, it's from Wayland. That was put together by, I'll say, like, a public interest group who was advocating for a particular way to vote on a particular article. And so, those can be handouts at town meeting, whereas sort of the official town statement is the warrant book that you were holding. It doesn't make the other right or wrong. It's just an advocacy group. Yeah. And we get those regularly because people are interested in articles that impact them individually. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, I'm just going to add one quick thing. Yeah, that's a good point. The purpose of the warrant is to provide, as Terry and I used to say, just the facts, ma'am. It isn't to have a position one way or the other, although the select board and the sponsoring board will take a vote on the article. But it's just facts so the residents can get it, essentially, both sides of the argument to make a decision. It's simply a notice of what's going to be discussed, debated, and voted on at town meeting. So, it's noticed to the community. Right. All right. Thank you very much for applying. I really applaud being a new resident coming forward, and I really love your enthusiasm. Thank you. Oh, no. This is nothing. I'm happy to see everybody. Yeah. Can't wait to see him after a three-year term, see if he wants to put an appointment or not. But I like the very first word here is energetic. I know. If he runs away screaming and sells his house, he won't do that. He won't do that. I've been here 36, 35 years. So, there you go. So, Krishna, can you? I'm really impressed with all the tenures that you have in the Vail and Board. Yeah. It's a lot. Krishna, can you tell me a little bit about your experience in working with a committee? And I would say sort of developing working relationships when you might not agree on the direction. Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Like when, you know, it's a workplace situation, right? You know, it's been 25 years and, you know, every work we have committees. I run a data governance committee in our work and then, you know, IT security committee and then, you know, prioritization project committee. You know, you can't make everybody happy always. That's a given. And then, how do you, you know, mingle? How do you help the other person? And then, sometimes, you have to say, you know, give your opinion and then ask facts and then kind of take the decision made within the committee, the majority decision. And then, what I always tell my team, and I have a huge team here, always remind myself and tell my team is, the decision you make in a small committee room, irrespective of you like it or not, you have to stick to it. When you go out, you have to support it versus kind of crib over it, good or bad. So, that's the culture I'm aware of and that's the culture I preach. And, obviously, there will be differences. Probe questions in an active listening mode, but not to kind of, you know, probe the question for the sake of, you know, riling up. And, as long as the facts are making sense and you talk to others as well, then you go with it. So, obviously, differences are always there, but you've got to work it out, understand, and then say, hey, you know, let's see how this works. And then, you know, there are meeting minutes, there are notes, and so on and so forth. People will retrospect, and then, you know, the next time around, they will make some changes. I actually, I appreciate that, you know, all of our meetings are in public, so you don't get to have that committee, you know, private discussion so much. But we do, and I know all of us through various committees we've been involved in, we do, just as you said, once you have voted on something, that is the committee's position. And so, supporting that publicly. When it comes to, you know, your own personal vote, you can vote however you want, but as a member of the committee, you're going forward with that. So, I appreciate hearing that. So, any questions for us, anything that came up after you talked with Rob? And just Miranda and Carol, I suggested that Krishna talk with Rob because Rob came into the finance committee with no other committee experience and is a relatively new Wayland person. And so, I thought that would give Krishna the best, similar perspective to what he would encounter in terms of workload and the fire hose of information and that type of thing. But anything else that came up that you have a question about? Not a question. I think talking to Rob helped me out. Oh, wait a minute. I can balance this because Rob mentioned, you know, as soon as you come in, it's more about listening, understanding, and then figuring out how to contribute versus directly contributing. Oh, this is great because I don't want to be in a position, wait a minute, I didn't know this, like, how do I support it versus there'll be somebody to kind of mentor or somebody to kind of guide you or listening. And then after six months or so, you can understand the process methodology. And like that, oh, this is great. Now, I'm even more enthusiastic to, you know, be part of this. But I would say, you know, if we, if we go ahead and appoint you, don't hesitate to ask questions, I think, as Miranda alluded to early on, sometimes that fresh perspective asks the question that we're all too close to and you do need to take a step back and remember to answer that because it's probably what all of our neighbors have as a question and when you've been doing it, as you know, you just get too close to things sometimes. So, you know, yeah, and, and nobody expects you to know anything at this point. So, you know, you're, you're supposed to be taught. So asking questions is, is a huge part of that. So don't, don't be shy about it. But I think that's a great point, Cherry. I think you, you could all of a sudden illuminate some, some issue, some point that no one had considered because they are too close to it and they don't realize that the general public may not understand something or know something. Way to communicate, or like you saying that one page flyer was so clear. Maybe that's something that you can bring. Doesn't matter what the topic is, but that kind of presentation. I mean, just don't, don't hesitate to add that type of stuff that gives new perspective. Right, yeah. I think since everybody, you know, their lives are busy with several things going on and then, you know, figure out a time to come together so that maybe we have to make meetings effective, succinct. And then that means to do preparation ahead of time and then say, hey, this is a decision that we need to make. Yeah. And then go forward. That will help everybody. Yeah, okay. If there aren't any other questions, Krishna, I'm going to say thank you and we'll do our next part of the meeting, you know, just in talking about potential appointment. And then I'll get back to you probably even later this morning, you know, to let you know how we're moving forward. So. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate you making time. Wonderful to meet you, Krishna. And thank you so much for being willing to serve. Really appreciate that. Yes, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye.
Okay.
You want the motion now? I mean, anything he, I'm glad that he got to connect with Rob. You know, I think that's important. And, and I, anyone who contacts me about FinCom, I send them links to the FinCom page with the agendas and the minutes. So I think that's when he was referencing looking at agendas. That's where he got that. I should add to my list, the warrant, because that wasn't on what I sent to him. I didn't do a town meeting link. I just did FinCom links. Yeah, send them to town meeting, tell them the warrant link, and that'll be the end of the candidates. Yeah, well, then. May I suggest you rethink that? No, I think it's important. 131 pages, you know, nonfiction book here. But I think it's important that everyone, and I know you're teasing, but yeah. Well, I think it's, especially if you qualify it and say, this is where you'll find the current year finance committee's report. And it really sums up the work and their thoughts, not only for the current year budget, but also they provide some forward thinking information as well. It's in common, of course, exactly. So I think that's a really good idea. I do think it's interesting, and we'll get to emotion, but Krishna alluded to my comment about municipal finance. Candidates who've never worked in town think that they're coming into a very distinct type of financial accounting. And they're almost always surprised when, you know, municipal finance is cash accounting. And Miranda, I know that's not your thing, but it's very simple. It's like running your checkbook. No, I agree with you. No, I work with budgets all the time. Right. There are very few fun things that you can do because we can't arbitrage, you can't leverage, you know, it's purely borrow. And then the things that Brian Keveney knows how to work with municipal government. But from a FinCon perspective, it's cash accounting. Yeah. Yeah. There's also, I'm going to take a phrase from one of my long-term firms, oodles. Mass general laws, DOR, policies that regulate how and the what. For example, just one we just did, the current year transfers. So you know you have a shop on one budget, and you know you can fund it from a budget from another, but you've got to wait to either town meeting or three weeks before the end of the year or two or three weeks after the fiscal year. I mean, there's just all these things. But those are the kinds of things that Brian leads as opposed to FinCon. Right. There's all this stuff with municipal finance, you know. Yeah. How do we need to get a debt exclusion? It's old. People are saying, oh, you know finance? I said, no, I know municipal finance. Exactly. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I do want to say one thing about this candidate that really impressed me, and I think will bode us well to your points of having new and fresh ideas. It's not only got the MBA, if you will, and can understand the numbers and what's going on, but also this project management skills. And I think that's part of the jigsaw puzzle is not only do we have the raw data, but how do we put it all together? So I think this is a good choice. Well, and I liked his wording around working on a committee, because I think he nailed what's important there. And I like that you asked that question, because that, I think, is one of the hard things to give in a committee. You have a thought of something, but once the committee votes, they vote blue, but you think red. You are committed to blue until either the committee changes their mind, or we go to time meeting and you cast a ballot. And you run vote, yeah. And you're on your own personal vote then, but the rest of the time, you be mindful that you represent a committee. That's a good question.
So I'm hearing general support for his? Sure. Yeah, I'll make a motion to appoint. Okay. For a three-year term? Yep. Okay. Do we have to say the name? Oh, yeah. Krishna Kanda, correct? Kanda. Kanda, sorry. I don't have a term expiring on June 30, 20, 29.
Yeah. 20, 29? Yeah. 30, 20, 20. Thank you. Okay, I'll second, Cherry. Kanda, thank you. Thank you. CM2. So we have a motion and a second. Any other discussion? Okay, we'll do a roll call vote. Carol? Yes. Miranda? Yes. Cherry? Yes. So we have a 3-0 vote. Okay. I will, Abby was very nice and gave me all the attachments for the letter, all the, you know, open meeting law, all that stuff. So I can send that out this afternoon or this morning, depending on how the rest of the morning goes. And I'll let him know. And Carol, thanks for telling me that Carl is chair, so I'll copy him on it, the letter as well, so that he's aware of it. You know, I always booked him briefly, Cherry, so I didn't get a chance this morning. We called him between meetings. I said I'd call him back. I don't know who the vice chair is, but I'll- Yeah, that's okay. We'll do it. I'll have him let you know. Yeah, I'll just copy Carl, courtesy. So that's fine. Okay. So the next thing on our agenda was to look at the recruitment statement. So right now, we are not in need of that. So I would suggest we skip that and take a look at the- Can I make one comment here, Cherry? Yeah. We're not looking for anybody. This occurred to me when I was reading this yesterday. We will be looking for a candidate. We will be looking for a candidate for three years for FY28. Maybe we might want to be proactive and at least keep our statement out there. So why don't we- I don't disagree. Right. Jumping to the next meeting. We're going to need to meet later this summer to do our annual report. Okay. So why don't we talk about that then and maybe post it like later in the fall when people are back for next spring. Yeah. Right. I was just thinking because, you know, there's really a short window here from where the vacancy is where we want them to be fully, all the vacancies filled. So I was thinking maybe we saw it a little earlier. That was a thought. No, no. So I get, no, I'm, yep. So I'll add it to the agenda for the, whenever we meet next, probably sometime in September, if I had to guess, right? Reports are due September 30th, usually. Okay. So let's just go to that next meeting date. So I think right now we don't need to set one, but I will put on that one, the recruitment statement, our annual report. We should talk about committee leadership at that meeting. And then Miranda, I will check the date, but my term expires in September. So- Of this year? Of this year. So it's been three years that we've been in existence. Wow. Thank you for your service, Sherry. Are you willing to continue? Well, I think you, you have, this is yours. And so you can give some thought to how widely you would like to cast that. I don't think anybody owns their spot. So if you want to cast a net for people that are interested, you should, you should do that. I will find, I'll look up my letter and let you know. What the, actually, I think it might, oh, I have it right here. No, I don't have it right here.
I think it's like a September. Oh, I do have it right here. Oh, my term is September 1. So we will meet before September 1. How's that? Yeah. Yeah. All right. So we need to meet in August. So do you want to, do you want to then set a meeting date since we're here and it's mid-July? Yeah, let me grab my calendar. Great.
I have to say, personally, I think August is better for me too. That's fine. Yeah. Because, you know, in September, I'm going to be having a few more meetings. Very easy. Yes. Having a few more meetings sound better than it's going to happen.
Okay. So I am pretty, I'm pretty open the last two weeks of August, if we want to look that far out.
I can't do those, those Mondays because I have the select board, the 17th and the 31st, I think it is. So we're talking the end of the week, right? Whenever you guys want. So we can't do. How about the 20th or the 27th?
I'm sorry. I just missed what you said, Miranda. How about the 20th or the 27th? Either of those are fine. Yep. Carol, does good with you? Yep. All right. Take both dates. I was going to say, why don't we hold them right now? And then Miranda, based on what you're doing with recruitment for this position, we can figure out which one we want. Yeah. Do you want to say what time is good? I'm going to say 10. 10 is a good time for me too. 10.30 or 10? I don't care. I don't care either. 10. How about 10? Okay. All right. And Sherry, you and I can talk offline. Yes. Just do that. I just want to be careful. We can't actually talk about this committee's work, but we can talk. I understood. But we can talk about your desired interest or not. Yes. We can certainly talk. Yes. I just wanted to clarify for those who might be listening. I'm listening. I know you are. For our wide audience. Yes. Okay. So that's our next meeting date. Let's go back to the minutes. And I did have two things. If you can move as amended. Oh, okay. I was going to say as written. I move. We approve the minutes of June 25, 2026 as amended. What are we doing to fix them? To amend them? Can we have a second for discussion purposes? Sure. I'll second it. So, Carol. Um, so in the list, um, on the top of page two, where Ms. Martin moved, I thought on number two, um, on Mr. O'Herlihy, we should just say at the end, effective immediately. Okay. Let me just, so after discussion, Ms. Martin moved that effective Mr. Bart, Mr. O'Herlihy. Yes, for ending 2027, effective immediately. Two, number two, O'Herlihy, um, effective immediately. Okay, great. I will include that. And then the only other thing I had was in the list of documents. Um, oh, no, it's there. Nevermind. I missed it. Nothing. Just that one change. Okay. Excellent. All right. Anything else? No. Okay.
Miranda? Yes. Carol? Yes. Cherry? Yes. We have a three zero vote to approve those. Um, Miranda, I, so the, the minutes just on the topic of minutes, our previous meeting minutes are not online. Yeah. I think you sent Trudy these minutes in draft instead of the May 15th minutes. Oh. Um, I had just looked at the email. I didn't think that's what it was. I, um, I thought I had messed up. Let me just see. Um, since, cause I sent six 25, I sent a copy of five 15, 20, 26. Um, just look, let me just look at the attachment. Nope. It's May 15th, 20, 26. However, is that the one with the wrong? Yeah, there we go. I gotta fix that. Okay. All right. Thank you. We'll resend. Okay. Um, and then, so then if you, do you want to send these as well? Yep. We'll send both. Okay. And then we'll get them posted. Perfect. Thank you. That was it on. Yeah. No, thank you for catching that. I appreciate that. Um, okay. Any reports and concerns from our committee members? Um, no, it can only be, it can only be on this committee, not on anything else in life. Oh, no, I'm thrilled that we've managed to find some good candidates. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Got this done at the beginning of the fiscal year. So give this finance committee, you know, a good start this year. So, and I'm also pleased that, um, I, while I think it will be a challenge for the committee to have new people, I think it's important as a town to have new people and so, um, I'm, um, yeah, I totally, I completely agree. I think it's great. At some point we were all new. Yeah. Yeah. So, and when was that? How long ago? So, but I know who my mentor was. There we go. Okay. On that note, it is, um, 1108 and I'm going to get you out of here almost perfectly on time. We adjourn at 1108. Okay. Carol and Miranda. Awesome. Hearing emotion in a second and no discussion. I'll do a roll call. Carol. Miranda. Yes. Jerry. There we go. Three zero adjourn.
Let's see, we are being recorded, and will be posted on WACAM according to their schedule. And I think that those are sort of the major clerical components we have to do. I will review the agenda for the public. I'll take any announcements from the board, and then any public comment. And then we will be joined. The main purpose for today's meeting is to interview a candidate for a position on the Finance Committee. So Krishna Kondo will be joining us. Based on the outcome of that, we may take a look at the recruitment statement for posting. We have draft minutes from the June 25th meeting to review. We'll talk about a need for a next meeting date, any reports and concerns, and adjourn, I think, sometime, you know, just after 11 is my thought. Any announcements from the board? Anyone willing to do minutes? Say it again? I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm taking, I'm taking them right now. Already doing them. Let me turn my volume up. Usually I turn my volume way down, so. No problem.
Okay, and. Just public comment. To look, exactly, to see if we have any public comment. I'm not seeing anyone attending other than our candidate. So I will say there's no public comment. And then Jalen, I would ask if you could move Krishna over to be a panelist, so that he can join our meeting. That would be great.
And then we'll move on to the interview portion when he joins us. Our packet does include his resume, so that those who are interested can take a look at that, as well as help our discussion. I've promoted him as a panelist. I think it's just waiting for him to join.
Well, we're about three minutes early for his interview. Yeah.
Let me just sit here.
Okay, he's joining as a web. Yes, I was going to say, it looks like he's joining. Yeah, good. I was just checking my email. So we're. Okay, Krishna, are you here?
Completely new. Like, I've been listening all over and I'm like, how do I get here? Yeah. Well, that is your first test. So you're here. You passed the ability to zoom. So there we go. Well, welcome. Thank you, Terry. Krishna. Yes, nice to put name and face together. I, Krishna and I spoke, oh, I don't know, sometime in June, prior to when we interviewed our prior candidates, he just could not make that meeting. So we haven't spoken since then, and nice to put name and face together.
And so also with us today, Krishna, our Miranda Jones, yep, Miranda Jones, who's our town moderator, and Carol Martin. Hi, Krishna, thanks for coming. Yeah. Carol Martin, who's chair of the select board. And I'll let them talk a little more when we do this, so thanks. So the main purpose for our meeting today is to interview Krishna and talk about his interest in the position on the finance committee. And Krishna, after we chat with you, we'll dismiss you with thanks, and then the three of us will chat and make an appointment decision, and I'll get back to you today either way. But I just wanted to let you know sort of the flow of the meeting. Yeah, thank you. On how we handle interviews. Okay, great. And I did share both the agenda and the packet with Krishna, so he knows that we have his resume and that it was posted. So Krishna, to start us off, do you want to just tell us, because of our committee, I have not shared anything that we talked about with either Carol or Miranda. So if you want to just go into why you were interested in FinCom, why you thought it was a good fit, where you are in life, sort of the outline that you gave me, and then we'll go into other questions. Yeah, definitely. Sure. So just hi, everybody, and I'm a well-in resident for the last three years, and I moved to Boston, like maybe 2005, so it's been like 21 years. I know in and out in Boston, Metro West, you know, I lived most of the life in Mass and Newton, Chestnut Hill, as well as Watertown, Majority. So I was never part of, like, I'd never had a feeling of a town because I was so close to cities, like everything was random, and, you know, I'm like, okay, how do I just feel like a city? I'm like, wait a minute, this is different. So when I went to move to Ireland, I'm like, I have this acceptance feeling from the town, like, oh, now I belong to a town where I have a voice, right? So, interestingly, I think I was talking to a few people outside, you know, the professional life, you know, I ran into Prashant Shukla, who is in the school committee, and there was a conversation, hey, you know, town needs help. And then, coincidentally, you know, we have Wayland Post, Wayland Post said, we have five vacancies. I'm like, okay, this is it, right? And then, the reason I wanted Finance Post was, like, almost 10 years ago, my boss, you know, with whom I worked, he used to be an Arlington resident, and he was in the finance committee over there. And then I'm like, how do I join? And I'm like, maybe I thought, you know, I did not ask him questions, but maybe it's a full-time job, I thought. I never knew it's a volunteer job, but I could pitch in. And then I think everything came together, like, you know, I wanted to do something back, and I moved to Wayland, and then ran into Prashant, and the Wayland Post came in front of me five vacancies. I'm like, okay, this is it. I can make some meaningful contributions to the town, you know. I have two kids, high school and middle schoolers, so I'm like, I want to get engaged with the town activities and, you know, help in any manner.
So, that's the history of it. Yeah, great. Thank you. I appreciate that, and I do love the enthusiasm that our new volunteers and residents bring to the town. Thank you. As opposed to the... As opposed to the three of us here who've been volunteering for decades, so it's good. Oh, is it? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, wow. Refreshing. Yes, all of us, yeah. Great, well, I will open it up, Miranda or Carol, whoever would like to go first, if you have any questions for Krishna or background you want to share. So, Miranda, I went first, last meeting. Why don't you go first? Sure, I'd be happy to. Hi. Hi, Krishna. I'm Miranda Jones. I am the town moderator. I so appreciate your coming and being willing to serve. It's critical that we have members of the community serve on our various town boards. It's great to have new blood, okay? And because it brings new ideas, which is really, really helpful. And so, welcome to Whalen, too, since you've only been here for three years. I hope your family is enjoying the community. So, Finance Committee, I looked at your three-year resume. I see you have a huge technical background. I also see you have an MBA, which is great. I understand, based on what you just said, that, you know, sometimes the universe presents an opportunity. Are you familiar at all with what the Finance Committee does for our town, how it rolls? It has changed over the last few years. And so, for somebody who's just been here for three years, that's great. You don't even know how – you don't need to know how it used to run. But are you familiar with how it works? I've never been on the Finance Committee and never will be. So, yeah, it's not something that is – I think in the broad – Yeah, go ahead. No, go ahead. In broad strokes, right? This is exactly – I spoke to several people. I think Doug Levine, I think I spoke to him in, like, five, ten minutes. And then, Cherry, I think I spoke to you, like, 30 minutes, getting to know him. And then Cherry put me in touch with Rob, Quimby, I guess, Rob Q. And I spoke to him. And then I think throughout the process, I got similar information around, you know, I have notes around, you know, responsibilities and commitment where we review, recommend the budget. Sometimes we have to speak to several people to get an understanding. We have to warrant write-up, you know, something like this. I really enjoy reading this. I'm like, wait a minute, this is good. I never – you know, while in other terms, I never got this. I'm like, this is, like, interesting. You know, what does 200K actually buy? What does 200K study will not do? This is crystal clear. I love it. So, I think those are the few things I think that Cherry mentioned, that the municipal budgeting is kind of different than others, which is quite – like, ah, that's an eye-opener for me. And that's kind of got me interested, you know, to maybe – you know, I have all the nuts and bolts to help out as needed if I get appointed. But if not, it's cool, I'm completely fine. I can voice my opinion or, you know, ideas in some other fashion as well. Right. Well, it's good to learn new things. It really is. It keeps the mind sharp, right? Yeah. Right, exactly. Especially these days. Right. Well, great. Well, thank you so much for your willingness to serve. I do truly appreciate it. Carol, I'll pass the ball to you. And do you have any questions or – Just hang on just one second. I'm going to mute myself for a second here. Yeah.
So I'm at our Cape House, which is probably less than half the size of the other house. So if anyone comes in and out, you just hear the noise. I was pausing for that. So hi, how are you? Thank you for, you know, applying. And I will – you already know Terry was on the Finance Committee. I served on the Finance Committee for several years as well before, you know, joining the Select Board. I think it's very near and dear to my heart in that it does an incredible amount of service for the residents. I think math is – I think math is – math, graphs, charts of numbers are sometimes a little overwhelming for folks who are not math-oriented. And I think the Finance Committee does – As a matter of fact, Mr. Levine has said to me on several occasions, I don't do math. I do words. That's why I'm a lawyer. Yeah, the standard line is I went to law school because I said no math. That's it. Okay. That's it. But he always says that. So, you know, it's really a huge service that you do, and you work – you report, actually, to town meeting. And when you do that report at town meeting, you know, the recommendation for the budgets, for the articles, for the capital budget, and what have you. So, I agree. I think it's terrific to have some new blood. I do see you also went to Babson. You'll be our third FinCon member out of four that have MBAs from Babson. Oh, wow. Nice. Yeah. And one of our members actually teaches there. I think he may not have a degree from there, but he actually teaches. I don't want to misquote myself. So, I want to know, have you had a chance – well, I will say this. The Finance Committee reappointed – did some reappointments at our last meeting, which was in June – a couple weeks ago.
So, now the Finance Committee actually had their first meeting for this fiscal year last night, and they voted their leadership. And Carl Barnes is the chair. So, I would recommend that you reach out to Carl. So, I don't know if you've read any of the – had a chance to read any of the agendas or any of the minutes of things that they were working on, maybe in the last couple months. That would be online. Have you had a – did you have a chance to do that? So, yes, not a couple months. I think six months ago or so, I think I had this – I reviewed it, articles on this, you know, warrant. And then yesterday I was going through how the agendas – I was completely impressed, but I didn't dig into the details, you know, how they – you know, the math and other things. Do you read the whole warrant?
No. That's amazing. I was impressed with how detailed – the only thing I had was, like, isn't it available online, this warrant? Yes. Yes, it is. We make it available online. I can send you the link, Christian. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Anyway, I would recommend – I would recommend – maybe Terry probably can send you Carl's information. But everybody's email in town – on the town side is first initial, last name, at whalen.ma.us. So, for example, if you wanted to reach out to Terry or Miranda or myself, that's the format. And you can reach out to Carl as well. I would recommend speaking with Carl. Get a feel for what – we have a fairly young finance committee. And I think if a couple of you are new, totally new, you'll be kind of learning as you go. So, it'll be a – so – and I think – So, you're not alone. Yeah. In that regard. Yeah. So, I think that – But there are some seasoned people on it as well. For us? Right. Some new, some seasoned, some whatever. So, it's a good balance. And to your point, the flyer that you just showed, I'm glad you read that because we are, for the third year in a row, facing a potential operating override. And, of course, the finance committee is integral in making a report to the select board. So, we are doing some analysis on that. So, anyway. But, anyway, thank you very much for coming forward. Is this a new thing? Because then the three years ago, I did not see this. Or maybe I haven't received it, I guess, this sort of articles. Do you know what he's got there? I don't happen to know what that is, but – No, we don't – it doesn't look familiar. It just – is it from Wayland? Oh. Yeah, it's from Wayland. That was put together by, I'll say, like, a public interest group who was advocating for a particular way to vote on a particular article. And so, those can be handouts at town meeting, whereas sort of the official town statement is the warrant book that you were holding. It doesn't make the other right or wrong. It's just an advocacy group. Yeah. And we get those regularly because people are interested in articles that impact them individually. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, I'm just going to add one quick thing. Yeah, that's a good point. The purpose of the warrant is to provide, as Terry and I used to say, just the facts, ma'am. It isn't to have a position one way or the other, although the select board and the sponsoring board will take a vote on the article. But it's just facts so the residents can get it, essentially, both sides of the argument to make a decision. It's simply a notice of what's going to be discussed, debated, and voted on at town meeting. So, it's noticed to the community. Right. All right. Thank you very much for applying. I really applaud being a new resident coming forward, and I really love your enthusiasm. Thank you. Oh, no. This is nothing. I'm happy to see everybody. Yeah. Can't wait to see him after a three-year term, see if he wants to put an appointment or not. But I like the very first word here is energetic. I know. If he runs away screaming and sells his house, he won't do that. He won't do that. I've been here 36, 35 years. So, there you go. So, Krishna, can you? I'm really impressed with all the tenures that you have in the Vail and Board. Yeah. It's a lot. Krishna, can you tell me a little bit about your experience in working with a committee? And I would say sort of developing working relationships when you might not agree on the direction. Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Like when, you know, it's a workplace situation, right? You know, it's been 25 years and, you know, every work we have committees. I run a data governance committee in our work and then, you know, IT security committee and then, you know, prioritization project committee. You know, you can't make everybody happy always. That's a given. And then, how do you, you know, mingle? How do you help the other person? And then, sometimes, you have to say, you know, give your opinion and then ask facts and then kind of take the decision made within the committee, the majority decision. And then, what I always tell my team, and I have a huge team here, always remind myself and tell my team is, the decision you make in a small committee room, irrespective of you like it or not, you have to stick to it. When you go out, you have to support it versus kind of crib over it, good or bad. So, that's the culture I'm aware of and that's the culture I preach. And, obviously, there will be differences. Probe questions in an active listening mode, but not to kind of, you know, probe the question for the sake of, you know, riling up. And, as long as the facts are making sense and you talk to others as well, then you go with it. So, obviously, differences are always there, but you've got to work it out, understand, and then say, hey, you know, let's see how this works. And then, you know, there are meeting minutes, there are notes, and so on and so forth. People will retrospect, and then, you know, the next time around, they will make some changes. I actually, I appreciate that, you know, all of our meetings are in public, so you don't get to have that committee, you know, private discussion so much. But we do, and I know all of us through various committees we've been involved in, we do, just as you said, once you have voted on something, that is the committee's position. And so, supporting that publicly. When it comes to, you know, your own personal vote, you can vote however you want, but as a member of the committee, you're going forward with that. So, I appreciate hearing that. So, any questions for us, anything that came up after you talked with Rob? And just Miranda and Carol, I suggested that Krishna talk with Rob because Rob came into the finance committee with no other committee experience and is a relatively new Wayland person. And so, I thought that would give Krishna the best, similar perspective to what he would encounter in terms of workload and the fire hose of information and that type of thing. But anything else that came up that you have a question about? Not a question. I think talking to Rob helped me out. Oh, wait a minute. I can balance this because Rob mentioned, you know, as soon as you come in, it's more about listening, understanding, and then figuring out how to contribute versus directly contributing. Oh, this is great because I don't want to be in a position, wait a minute, I didn't know this, like, how do I support it versus there'll be somebody to kind of mentor or somebody to kind of guide you or listening. And then after six months or so, you can understand the process methodology. And like that, oh, this is great. Now, I'm even more enthusiastic to, you know, be part of this. But I would say, you know, if we, if we go ahead and appoint you, don't hesitate to ask questions, I think, as Miranda alluded to early on, sometimes that fresh perspective asks the question that we're all too close to and you do need to take a step back and remember to answer that because it's probably what all of our neighbors have as a question and when you've been doing it, as you know, you just get too close to things sometimes. So, you know, yeah, and, and nobody expects you to know anything at this point. So, you know, you're, you're supposed to be taught. So asking questions is, is a huge part of that. So don't, don't be shy about it. But I think that's a great point, Cherry. I think you, you could all of a sudden illuminate some, some issue, some point that no one had considered because they are too close to it and they don't realize that the general public may not understand something or know something. Way to communicate, or like you saying that one page flyer was so clear. Maybe that's something that you can bring. Doesn't matter what the topic is, but that kind of presentation. I mean, just don't, don't hesitate to add that type of stuff that gives new perspective. Right, yeah. I think since everybody, you know, their lives are busy with several things going on and then, you know, figure out a time to come together so that maybe we have to make meetings effective, succinct. And then that means to do preparation ahead of time and then say, hey, this is a decision that we need to make. Yeah. And then go forward. That will help everybody. Yeah, okay. If there aren't any other questions, Krishna, I'm going to say thank you and we'll do our next part of the meeting, you know, just in talking about potential appointment. And then I'll get back to you probably even later this morning, you know, to let you know how we're moving forward. So. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate you making time. Wonderful to meet you, Krishna. And thank you so much for being willing to serve. Really appreciate that. Yes, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye.
Okay.
You want the motion now? I mean, anything he, I'm glad that he got to connect with Rob. You know, I think that's important. And, and I, anyone who contacts me about FinCom, I send them links to the FinCom page with the agendas and the minutes. So I think that's when he was referencing looking at agendas. That's where he got that. I should add to my list, the warrant, because that wasn't on what I sent to him. I didn't do a town meeting link. I just did FinCom links. Yeah, send them to town meeting, tell them the warrant link, and that'll be the end of the candidates. Yeah, well, then. May I suggest you rethink that? No, I think it's important. 131 pages, you know, nonfiction book here. But I think it's important that everyone, and I know you're teasing, but yeah. Well, I think it's, especially if you qualify it and say, this is where you'll find the current year finance committee's report. And it really sums up the work and their thoughts, not only for the current year budget, but also they provide some forward thinking information as well. It's in common, of course, exactly. So I think that's a really good idea. I do think it's interesting, and we'll get to emotion, but Krishna alluded to my comment about municipal finance. Candidates who've never worked in town think that they're coming into a very distinct type of financial accounting. And they're almost always surprised when, you know, municipal finance is cash accounting. And Miranda, I know that's not your thing, but it's very simple. It's like running your checkbook. No, I agree with you. No, I work with budgets all the time. Right. There are very few fun things that you can do because we can't arbitrage, you can't leverage, you know, it's purely borrow. And then the things that Brian Keveney knows how to work with municipal government. But from a FinCon perspective, it's cash accounting. Yeah. Yeah. There's also, I'm going to take a phrase from one of my long-term firms, oodles. Mass general laws, DOR, policies that regulate how and the what. For example, just one we just did, the current year transfers. So you know you have a shop on one budget, and you know you can fund it from a budget from another, but you've got to wait to either town meeting or three weeks before the end of the year or two or three weeks after the fiscal year. I mean, there's just all these things. But those are the kinds of things that Brian leads as opposed to FinCon. Right. There's all this stuff with municipal finance, you know. Yeah. How do we need to get a debt exclusion? It's old. People are saying, oh, you know finance? I said, no, I know municipal finance. Exactly. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I do want to say one thing about this candidate that really impressed me, and I think will bode us well to your points of having new and fresh ideas. It's not only got the MBA, if you will, and can understand the numbers and what's going on, but also this project management skills. And I think that's part of the jigsaw puzzle is not only do we have the raw data, but how do we put it all together? So I think this is a good choice. Well, and I liked his wording around working on a committee, because I think he nailed what's important there. And I like that you asked that question, because that, I think, is one of the hard things to give in a committee. You have a thought of something, but once the committee votes, they vote blue, but you think red. You are committed to blue until either the committee changes their mind, or we go to time meeting and you cast a ballot. And you run vote, yeah. And you're on your own personal vote then, but the rest of the time, you be mindful that you represent a committee. That's a good question.
So I'm hearing general support for his? Sure. Yeah, I'll make a motion to appoint. Okay. For a three-year term? Yep. Okay. Do we have to say the name? Oh, yeah. Krishna Kanda, correct? Kanda. Kanda, sorry. I don't have a term expiring on June 30, 20, 29.
Yeah. 20, 29? Yeah. 30, 20, 20. Thank you. Okay, I'll second, Cherry. Kanda, thank you. Thank you. CM2. So we have a motion and a second. Any other discussion? Okay, we'll do a roll call vote. Carol? Yes. Miranda? Yes. Cherry? Yes. So we have a 3-0 vote. Okay. I will, Abby was very nice and gave me all the attachments for the letter, all the, you know, open meeting law, all that stuff. So I can send that out this afternoon or this morning, depending on how the rest of the morning goes. And I'll let him know. And Carol, thanks for telling me that Carl is chair, so I'll copy him on it, the letter as well, so that he's aware of it. You know, I always booked him briefly, Cherry, so I didn't get a chance this morning. We called him between meetings. I said I'd call him back. I don't know who the vice chair is, but I'll- Yeah, that's okay. We'll do it. I'll have him let you know. Yeah, I'll just copy Carl, courtesy. So that's fine. Okay. So the next thing on our agenda was to look at the recruitment statement. So right now, we are not in need of that. So I would suggest we skip that and take a look at the- Can I make one comment here, Cherry? Yeah. We're not looking for anybody. This occurred to me when I was reading this yesterday. We will be looking for a candidate. We will be looking for a candidate for three years for FY28. Maybe we might want to be proactive and at least keep our statement out there. So why don't we- I don't disagree. Right. Jumping to the next meeting. We're going to need to meet later this summer to do our annual report. Okay. So why don't we talk about that then and maybe post it like later in the fall when people are back for next spring. Yeah. Right. I was just thinking because, you know, there's really a short window here from where the vacancy is where we want them to be fully, all the vacancies filled. So I was thinking maybe we saw it a little earlier. That was a thought. No, no. So I get, no, I'm, yep. So I'll add it to the agenda for the, whenever we meet next, probably sometime in September, if I had to guess, right? Reports are due September 30th, usually. Okay. So let's just go to that next meeting date. So I think right now we don't need to set one, but I will put on that one, the recruitment statement, our annual report. We should talk about committee leadership at that meeting. And then Miranda, I will check the date, but my term expires in September. So- Of this year? Of this year. So it's been three years that we've been in existence. Wow. Thank you for your service, Sherry. Are you willing to continue? Well, I think you, you have, this is yours. And so you can give some thought to how widely you would like to cast that. I don't think anybody owns their spot. So if you want to cast a net for people that are interested, you should, you should do that. I will find, I'll look up my letter and let you know. What the, actually, I think it might, oh, I have it right here. No, I don't have it right here.
I think it's like a September. Oh, I do have it right here. Oh, my term is September 1. So we will meet before September 1. How's that? Yeah. Yeah. All right. So we need to meet in August. So do you want to, do you want to then set a meeting date since we're here and it's mid-July? Yeah, let me grab my calendar. Great.
I have to say, personally, I think August is better for me too. That's fine. Yeah. Because, you know, in September, I'm going to be having a few more meetings. Very easy. Yes. Having a few more meetings sound better than it's going to happen.
Okay. So I am pretty, I'm pretty open the last two weeks of August, if we want to look that far out.
I can't do those, those Mondays because I have the select board, the 17th and the 31st, I think it is. So we're talking the end of the week, right? Whenever you guys want. So we can't do. How about the 20th or the 27th?
I'm sorry. I just missed what you said, Miranda. How about the 20th or the 27th? Either of those are fine. Yep. Carol, does good with you? Yep. All right. Take both dates. I was going to say, why don't we hold them right now? And then Miranda, based on what you're doing with recruitment for this position, we can figure out which one we want. Yeah. Do you want to say what time is good? I'm going to say 10. 10 is a good time for me too. 10.30 or 10? I don't care. I don't care either. 10. How about 10? Okay. All right. And Sherry, you and I can talk offline. Yes. Just do that. I just want to be careful. We can't actually talk about this committee's work, but we can talk. I understood. But we can talk about your desired interest or not. Yes. We can certainly talk. Yes. I just wanted to clarify for those who might be listening. I'm listening. I know you are. For our wide audience. Yes. Okay. So that's our next meeting date. Let's go back to the minutes. And I did have two things. If you can move as amended. Oh, okay. I was going to say as written. I move. We approve the minutes of June 25, 2026 as amended. What are we doing to fix them? To amend them? Can we have a second for discussion purposes? Sure. I'll second it. So, Carol. Um, so in the list, um, on the top of page two, where Ms. Martin moved, I thought on number two, um, on Mr. O'Herlihy, we should just say at the end, effective immediately. Okay. Let me just, so after discussion, Ms. Martin moved that effective Mr. Bart, Mr. O'Herlihy. Yes, for ending 2027, effective immediately. Two, number two, O'Herlihy, um, effective immediately. Okay, great. I will include that. And then the only other thing I had was in the list of documents. Um, oh, no, it's there. Nevermind. I missed it. Nothing. Just that one change. Okay. Excellent. All right. Anything else? No. Okay.
Miranda? Yes. Carol? Yes. Cherry? Yes. We have a three zero vote to approve those. Um, Miranda, I, so the, the minutes just on the topic of minutes, our previous meeting minutes are not online. Yeah. I think you sent Trudy these minutes in draft instead of the May 15th minutes. Oh. Um, I had just looked at the email. I didn't think that's what it was. I, um, I thought I had messed up. Let me just see. Um, since, cause I sent six 25, I sent a copy of five 15, 20, 26. Um, just look, let me just look at the attachment. Nope. It's May 15th, 20, 26. However, is that the one with the wrong? Yeah, there we go. I gotta fix that. Okay. All right. Thank you. We'll resend. Okay. Um, and then, so then if you, do you want to send these as well? Yep. We'll send both. Okay. And then we'll get them posted. Perfect. Thank you. That was it on. Yeah. No, thank you for catching that. I appreciate that. Um, okay. Any reports and concerns from our committee members? Um, no, it can only be, it can only be on this committee, not on anything else in life. Oh, no, I'm thrilled that we've managed to find some good candidates. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Got this done at the beginning of the fiscal year. So give this finance committee, you know, a good start this year. So, and I'm also pleased that, um, I, while I think it will be a challenge for the committee to have new people, I think it's important as a town to have new people and so, um, I'm, um, yeah, I totally, I completely agree. I think it's great. At some point we were all new. Yeah. Yeah. So, and when was that? How long ago? So, but I know who my mentor was. There we go. Okay. On that note, it is, um, 1108 and I'm going to get you out of here almost perfectly on time. We adjourn at 1108. Okay. Carol and Miranda. Awesome. Hearing emotion in a second and no discussion. I'll do a roll call. Carol. Miranda. Yes. Jerry. There we go. Three zero adjourn.