March 17, 2026 – Historic District Commission – Video & Transcript
March 17, 2026 - Historic District Commission
I'd like to call the meeting to order for the Weyland Historic District Commission.
Welcome, everybody.
I'm Greg Dale, the chair of the committee, and I'll be responding to this and making things go smooth. And we're here today reading your application. First, I'd like to introduce members of the committee, if you could each say your name. Sure. Marjorie Gaston. Desiree McCauley. Gretchen Schuler. Mary McCauley. So what I'd like to do now is, and we'll hear from the applicant, answer your question. Have a debate and discuss what you're doing. Great. Well, thank you for having us. My name is Kirsten Lipson, for those that I haven't met. And I'll be the owner of Townhouse Cafe and Bistro. And I'm joined tonight by almost the entire team. I've got Alex Sipsis and Brandon Needleman on remote. They're from our project management firm, Evis and Young. We did have, maybe it's in the panel, Alex Vane is with our construction team, Vantage. Then I have joined by Neal, oh gosh, I'm going to mess up the last name. Shappler. Shappler. Shappler. Shappler, who's our architect with JTA. And then also, Julia on remote. She is also with JTA. And she's part of the design team that actually helped design some of the signs. She is also by Jeff Eugino, who's with my legal team and code specialist. I think if Travis is on, I don't know, he was on and then maybe left. But if not, he helped me out of line. He's also on the architect. So, Travis and Camille have really been spearheading the designs for this. Can you join the meeting? I see you. Oh, great. There you go. So, John House Cafe and Bistro, we are looking to revive the old Collins Market building and turn it into, as the name suggests, a cafe and bistro. The opening hours will be Tuesday to Friday, 730 to 330, and Saturday and Sunday, 8 to 8. During the week, it'll be more of a breakfast, coffee, lunch. The weekends, the program will also include a more robust brunch, as well as afternoon tea and kind of more of a full dinner service. We received a special program at the CBA to operate a restaurant there. We also received, in January meeting, the site plan approval, as well as outdoor dining approval. So, today, we're here to discuss and get your approval on the making sure that our exterior renovations are in line in keeping with the spirit of the regulations of the Historic District Commission. And I will say part of the ethos to this project, core to this project, is really to honor the history of the building and of the area. As I mentioned in the application, the name, just Townhouse, is to honor its original purpose as the first town hall of Weyland, which was called Townhouse then. Inside, especially upstairs, the four areas are all named to honor parts of the building's history as the site of the first telephone switchboard, the site of the first free public library. One is called The Study to honor its history as a schoolhouse, as well as the marketplace to honor its long history, both as Collins Market as well as Bubble Market. And I do have the original Collins Market sign, and that will be displayed inside in the marketplace room. Most of the exterior or all of the exterior renovations that we're doing are really to bring it up to make up for the deferred maintenance that it needs. And so, the paint, we've been to the Weyland Historical Museum and looked at the old paint chips to make sure that our colors are all in keeping. We want to maintain the same color, white, the green shutters. The sign, we looked at old, they've had a lot of different iterations of signage on the building, but we're trying to keep it as true to what it has been, as well as in keeping with the rest of the district. We, since it predated a lot of ADA requirements, we are also looking to add ADA access to the back. We weren't able to add the ramp to the front without, to both lean compliance and without altering some of the columns. So, we are adding a gradual 2% grade along the left-hand side of the building to kind of direct traffic away from residential abutters. And then we are adding a rear egress in the back. One, because we need more egresses. And two, that'll be ADA compliant with the turning radius to enter there. Interiorly, I know that's out of the purview of this committee, but we will be also adding a lift so that they can access the second floor. We'll be adding an ADA bathroom, both on the first and second floors. Then, we, to shield the outdoor dining patio, which will be in the back, it will seat 14 to 15 patrons. We've added a wood, a wooden shield screen, in keeping with some of the historic trim colors of wood. And the lighting will be very minimal, string lights, so very not indirect. Yes, yes. And confined. Yes, yes, confined. And then the signage, we will have, we're replacing the former, the most recent occupant, the Sunny Real Estate, the same footprint, that'll be Cafe and Bistro, up in the, above, above that, yes, it'll, where in the past, it has said, Collins Market, that will say Townhouse, the wooden letters, in keeping with the historic style. So, and then out front, to, to, for more visibility, to be adding a perpendicular sign, in keeping with some of the neighborhood signs, that will say Townhouse, Cafe, and Bistro. All of those signs will have modest, direct lighting for illumination purposes. And then the door, we will actually, um, uh, be reverting to one of the old historical, um, doors with a full window, um, which is also more in keeping with restaurant, Bistro style. Um, but, I believe, was it the Collins Market, or the Lovell Market, at the door, I believe it was the Collins Market. Yeah. Will you, do you have a picture of the door that's going in? Um, and that should be on, one of the, it should be on this, but I'm not sure, I, sheet number eight, right here, and there's that picture. Yeah, that picture right there.
Okay. That's the historic, all right, thank you. Mm-hmm. And then we will also be adding, um, a bike, a bike rack, uh, looking at the building to the right, closest to the, the bike, um, the rail trail, and it will match the, the, um, black kind of broad iron style and aesthetic. And then we will also be adding a horse hitch, um, which, uh, since the building predates cars, we have lots of photos with a horse and buggy, and that is actually, um, from my family's old property in Melrose in the 1700s. So, it's historically fun. Finally, as well. Um, you know, any other overviews? Honestly, you did a beautiful job. Um, no, I think that's basically it, and, you know, basically, we just want to do what we can to restore the building back to its original, um, state, um, and, and keeping within the color palette that it's been in the past, and so we'll be working to kind of match those colors as, as closely as we can, um, and anything that we do, we'll be replacing in kind, but really just to bring it back to life, honestly, um, and, you know, pay a, you know, homage to the historic part of it, um, and then anything, like, anything new, you know, we're trying to also make sure that it's tasteful, um, and isn't, you know, too gaudy or anything like that, and works well with the building, but it also helps to also accentuate the, the historical part of it as well. So, yeah. Um, one other aspect, uh, coming out of the site plan meeting, we were able to rework the, um, kitchen, exhaust hood, and so that will go up through the flat part of the roof, and not I noticed that, that's great, it was very, very considerate. Could you just talk a little bit about the, um, the right, is that great, can I ask a question? Sure. Okay, um, about the, um, ADA path that goes to the back. That's that question. Yeah. I mean, I know it says it's, uh, gray herringbone pattern. Yes. And so what's the material? Oh, I actually have the material. Oh, okay. Oh, good. So. I mean, obviously if it's ADA, it's not going to be brick. No, it's going to be very, yeah, very, um, flat. Um, so it's going to be, as, as you said, um, gray brick paper in a herringbone pattern. So this will be, you know, like that. Um, you're welcome to, I would, I would pass it around with her a little. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So that's the idea anyway. Um, yeah. And doing a little bit, something a bit more modern, um, again, cause we want to, you know, preserve what's historical and this is technically. So my question about the ADA compliance is, um, uh, I, I think, I think it's, it's great to not have it change the nature of the facade, but isn't ADA accessibility supposedly equal to non ADA accessibility? I'm just wondering if, if, if you dot all the I's and cross the T's in terms of ADA. Yes. No, I mean, I think right for our, for our efforts, we're trying to do what we can to provide an ADA entrance. And because we don't want to touch the front of the building, we thought, Hey, I mean, if we can make it towards the back, we were already planning on patio seating. Sure. Um, so doing what we can with, with what we can without altering the exterior too, too much, obviously we'll, we'll gradually grade the, to the 2%, um, but we thought that that was the most minimal. Well, I think it is. Absolutely. I just wanted to make sure that. Yeah. You, you may have to go through the, um, ADA compliant, whatever it's called. Um, yes, because it's national registered property, uh, it gets to have that ability to go through another entry. If it had been built five years ago when you were doing this, you wouldn't be able to do that with ADA. No, no, you could. No. Oh, I know in, in Newton, many buildings. I've, I've had several instances where if you try to bring somebody in the rear of the building, they will have a conversation with you about it. Um, but it's historic, so it's different. We've also been in close contact with the building inspector to Tom Zumba. Great. Yeah. No, it's the national registered part. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. And I, it actually receives, um, approval from the national, uh, so it's part of my lender. Um, so the Massachusetts arm of the national. Yes. So they've received that. Okay. Yeah. Just wanted to make sure that you, you've gone through that. That's all. Yeah. National. What would we. Um, the Massachusetts ADA. Oh, well, the, not the historic, I'll pull up the exact. I think mass ADA would be all I'd need for the minutes. Yeah. I've got it. All right.
They signed off. That's great. Oh, maybe the mass historical commission signed off. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes. Right. Okay. Out of curiosity, did the original building ever have flags in the front of any kind? I think there's some pictures of flags. We've seen like some blade signs actually coming off of the pillars. Yeah. I actually find the picture that's up right now. I think we can see there's some blade signs, but I don't think we ever saw any pictures of like, my God, are you think like a true American, like an American class? You know, we had a flag. It was on our, my property because the levels owned Collins market, it was level market at one point, and they had a flagpole that's no longer there, a big wood flagpole that it was halfway between our house and, uh, level market, and it was used all the time. So that was sort of flagged when I've been there.
It was probably five.
When it was, when it was, uh, the town hall was probably, it was probably five somewhere.
What is the, um, width of the ADA path? I mean, it's obviously what it has to be, but. Yeah. So it's, I believe it's like four to five feet. I can't remember that thing right off the top of my brain, but it, it needs complexity. No, I was just curious how, what. Yeah, because I can't remember what. Yeah, pretty ample size, um, yeah. And beyond the ADA, also envisioning a lot of strollers. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And there's not that much grade to change. You're never used door at all. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Was there like a foot, a foot difference between grade and first floor? It was, it was too much that, um, we explored just like a straight. Front ramp and it was going to need to be too long. Yeah. Because not only the front steps, but then there's also a step up. Up there, yeah, exactly. There's three all told. Yeah. That's 18 inches. Probably. And the, um, the columns prohibited a turning radius. If we try to, uh, ramp up the site. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Sort of glad that happened that way. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not unhappy about this. No, no. I just want to. No, no. Right. Yeah. Sure. No, I think we're all kind of excited about it. Yeah. Um, any other questions from our committee? I'm going to go to them. Are there any questions from the public? Anybody that may be dialing in from the public? I, I have one thing to share. We all received an email today from, uh, Mary Farley, which I now have on the screen. Oh, God. In support of what you're doing. It's very nice. Yeah. So we'll, we'll put that in the record for you. Sure. Yeah, I, I guess, I don't know if this is, um, not appropriate to ask, but if you do not get the parking, will you still go forward? Yes. Um, all right. Yes. Accepting that as a business risk. I, I am in talks with, um, Silk Vet and the Wayland Pediatrics about emptying their lots, um, during off hours, uh, whether for employees or like for events. Um, so that's flying that option. Um, I also live very close. So if I need to have employees park at my lot on my property, so we have a lot of contingencies. Um, and I, and I also feel like a sizable portion of the, um, customer base is already visiting the area from the library, from the rail trail, from the businesses and in the area. So it won't necessarily be an increase in, um, particular traffic, uh, the public safety building, the town hall. I did a few times, uh, four minute walk, even if the crossing walk gods are not in your favor, um, from out here to the townhouse door. Right. Yeah. So, um, yes, feel, feel confidence that, that we can make it work even without any other, yeah. You might need a bigger bike rack. Yeah. You know, the other thing I think of, and again, might be speaking of, the, uh, new town center, uh, seems to have an awful lot of extra parking. Um, if anybody were biking or even driving and they were willing to walk. Yeah. Also. A quarter of a mile or, wouldn't be a quarter of a mile be more like an eighth of a mile. But if you're willing to walk on a nice day and to work something out with them to see. Especially under the new ownership, they might be more. Yeah. They might, they might be willing to at least try it as an experiment to see if it would work for a limited period of time and that kind of stuff. Is there anybody that has not already spoken that would like to speak? Yeah. I just have one or two more questions. Okay. I'm curious if there's anything else. Close. Do I have a motion? No, no. He has one more. Two more questions. You can deliver it after I close the call. Oh, no, no. He has questions of them. Okay. That may be content that. So just out of curiosity, um, um, I assume that people have access to the outside, the second floor porch. Um, not, not at this point. Okay. Okay. Didn't want to boil the ocean. Yeah. Uh, when, when, and if, but so, um, no, they're, that will not be open. Okay. So no questions. Not bringing that up to code at this point. Okay. Yeah. That was my question. Okay. I'm done. Thank you. Is that a motion to close the public hearing? So moved. Second. Second. Oh, you have to do a roll call. Say hi. It's all of us. Gretchen, hi. Here we go. Jasmine, hi. Yeah. Is Alex on there? Our, our Alex? No. Okay. I don't think Alex. You're Alex, but not ours. Yes. Okay. All right. Do you want a motion to, uh. So I have a, we have a motion to, uh, recommendation for a certificate of appropriateness. To accept the application. As, as, uh, presented. As presented. As presented. And as written. As presented. Yeah. Yeah, the motion. Second. Second. Okay. There we go. On the motion. Well, this is going to be over in a minute. Why not? Sure. Okay. Everybody ready? Ready. Say your name. Hi. Gretchen Schuler. Hi. Jess McCauley. Hi. And so that's all of us here. Okay. You're done. Thank you. Are you still on a draw on one target? Uh, closer to, um, early to mid-August. Oh, okay. Yes. I was there for that. One of those conversations and your husband said, I don't think so. Well, I don't think I could be happier to see that a real use. Yeah. To this, to this building and to see it occupied. It's great. Yes. And actually to have something functioning in it, that's going to bring people. And they're going to see what great building. And you don't have Wi-Fi. Yes. I'll be done. Yes. I know. I just started putting out signs like with the laptops at home. But I don't, especially during the week, um, occupancy is not going to be our limiting factor. So Wi-Fi, please come join the space. We'll have plenty of outlets. Yes. You can go and hear those, those drawings right now. Terrific. Are there more, um, hoops you have to jump through here? I think this was one of the, um, the last, like, official, and then hoping to get the building from the end of this week, beginning of sometime next week. So then, um, start once that. That's. Yeah. Cool. Great. All right. Administratively. So you, you issue a certificate and that's recorded with the. I will write. Yeah. And then I will next also be going to the, uh, design review board and CBA for the signage, but I think getting this approval is, you know, outside design. Yeah. Right. Make sure to include it. Thank you all for your, uh, your time and your thoughtful questions and really good. Well, you give me a thoroughness and. Yeah. Very nice package. Nice box. Professional. Yeah. Not always. Right. Yes. Uh, yes. Functionality. Name of the name. Right. Uh, thank you team that's joined online. Thank you. Thank you guys. Yeah. Nice to meet you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Will you be carrying the Bulee's tea? Will you be carrying the Bulee's tea? Will you be carrying the Bulee's tea? Oh, I don't know. I'm telling you now. Okay. Well, I'm going to. That you're not a special connection. Are you a Bulee? No. I wish I was. But I do like it, yeah. I do too. No, it's, um, looking like probably pharma coffee though. Oh, I like pharma coffee. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do like it. Yeah. I do too. No, it's, um, looking like probably pharma coffee though. Oh, like pharma coffee. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Great. You folks should have 20 of the 80 minutes from our last meeting. Yes, we do. All right. Well, as I emailed it out. Very good. I have one of the minutes. Desmond, I included in the minutes. I move that we approve the minutes as written. I don't have. Oh, you have some. Well, I wrote them, but I have one question. I included something that Desmond may not want included in the minutes. Oh. The last sentence. Well, we can make it right here. Oh. Or should we leave it? I think leave it. I think leave it. I think leave it. I have no problem with that. They were shabby drawings. I have no problem with that. We were. To say whether you want to be included or not. Do I have a second? Second. Second. Approved. And it's approved. Yeah. Those drawings. Those drawings are pathetic. They should be. I thought about it, actually. I really did. Well, I'll tell you what they are. Through a zillion questions, we could find out what they were doing, although we still haven't got a solution on how they're going to drain it. How they're going to drain it. That's pretty basic. Yep. You know. Our chair asked if there were things that were not on the agenda that we would want to bring up, and I said there are three things. Okay. Okay. Okay. And very briefly. I want everybody to know. Within the Historic District, you know, the rights are moving. They're moving to the case. They're selling their house. They're selling their house. They're selling their house. And they're selling their house. Well, they have a house down there. It was Jennifer's mother. And they level the house and they're building a new one. Yeah. And it's beautifully located. Yeah. And I think he's retiring. Uh huh. And he's retiring. And he's retiring. And he's retiring. And he's retiring. And he's retiring. So, wow. Okay. Okay. So, that's happening. Okay. So, that's happening. Okay. So, that's happening. Okay. Okay. So, that's happening. The other thing I wanted to mention. What would you think as a historic district? Okay. Okay. So, that's happening. Okay. So, that's happening. The other thing I wanted to mention. What would you think as a historic district commission to make a plea before the select board that the town look into a plan for additional parking within the historic district that could benefit, not only the Bistro, but the library and the museum and the depot. Right. You know. And... Where? My... Well, that's just it. I guess in my own mind, I would love to have them get some professional help. And I think that one planner, traffic planner, we've had in the past that I think is excellent as Kevin Dandrade. I want to catch him before he retires. Yeah. And have him look at all the land that we do have. There's quite a bit of land on either side of the tracks. Freight house going all the way down this land. On the other side of the tracks there, as you go down toward Millbrook, there's some land that the town owns that's west of the depot. Right. To just look at what we have and see if we can't figure out how to better use what we have. We might not need an awful lot more. And the other thing you might even think about doing is like out in front of this bistro have two-hour parking on... What they have on Pelham Island Road is two-hour parking only. Yeah. And then people who are employed... Working there. ...don't park there all day. Right. And that's what's happening up in front right now. Right. And it can happen. What is their maximum capacity at the bistro? How many? 25 downstairs and I forget how many left. It could take a lot of people. Yeah. If you look at the numbers, it looks like 50. Yeah. It looks like a lot of people. And then if you think of 50 cars. Yeah. Probably not 50 cars. Most people don't dine alone. They might meet. Yeah. Yeah. But it could be 30 to 35. Yeah. 30 to 35. Yeah. We don't have... I think that we have another issue. And I think that we... I mean, I'm willing to go to the Selectmen personally and whether we wanted to do it as a board, but I was really offended when the library immediately, when this came up and they were at the Zoning Board of Appeals, they immediately put up signs all along the rail trail, library parking only, library patron parking only. And then... And some of us asked about it and they said, oh, that was decided in 1987? I know. That was given to them? I mean, it was just baloney. Yeah. And I was really offended by that. The board of trustees, the library trustees, the library director, they said at the meeting, no, you can't park there. But do they enforce it? Well, I don't know, but I think it's wrong. Is that lot half library, half bikers or the whole thing's library? No. They claim it's all theirs. Oh, I like that. And then we actually talked about, well, could we, you know, could they have parking spots behind the freight house? Oh, no, no, no. We have all that. So when I... I noticed the sign when I went to the meeting at the Grafford House. And I thought, well, I'm just ignoring this thing. Yeah. Now, I always... I ignore it all the time. Gretchen, I have a question. Yes. It seems to me that I do know that, for instance, the depot parking lot is under the auspices of the select board. Right. Okay. And there are certain parking lots that are under the auspices of the schools. Yes. Okay. However, my understanding was the select board was over it all. They could decide if it should be taken from parks or from the library and they could move things around. Yes. They have the ultimate authority. So we don't have to get too... Oh, I would only go to the select board. Yeah, right. Oh, absolutely. No, absolutely. And I also think that your idea, way back when we talked about this, of having the depot parking, the two-hour parking, is a good idea. I think it would make a lot of sense. It would be good for the depot, even. Yeah. And again, what we... I rarely see cars there. Huh? I rarely see cars at the depot. Oh. It depends. It depends. Maybe before the holidays. Yeah. Is it overflow for when bikers spill at the other line? No. You know what? It used to get very, very full when Collins Market was really being used. And then around holiday time with the depot, there are times when there's an event and it just gets loaded. I think that's different. It tends to be people who work. Work. Yeah. Employees. That's the thing. Who... So by making it two-hour, that would eliminate that. Yes. And actually, our zoning laws say that if you have a business, you're supposed to provide for parking for your employees. For your employees. Right. And not use public... Well, they're not going to be. Right. Well, she even talked about having the parking at her place. At her home. Yeah. I couldn't believe that. I don't know how she could have enough space there for all the employees. For her employees. She might be able to. I don't think she's stuck in any other place. Yeah. Would that be... That would not be... I mean, to have five or six cars parked there on a residential street? I don't know. I mean, because I don't... That's how I'm talking. So, we're talking... So, back to your original idea. So, there's four attractions at that intersection near your home. Mm-hmm. The depot, now the New Market, the Crowherd House, and the library. Yes. And there's two parking lots. One by the depot, and by the library. Well, you don't say there's... Yeah. And there's parking spaces. Parking spaces out in front. Parking spaces down Pelham Island Road. So, there's... People don't use the parking here and just... Oh, get it off across Route 20. Ugh. Well, so, but if we just focus on these two lots that are... Yeah. ...right close to all four things. Right. One idea is make them bigger. Yeah. The other idea is make them... Anybody can use them for anything. Mm-hmm. I don't think we're challenging... Well, we've got commuters parking there. Of course not. No. Right. We've got this library turf battle, and people don't use the other lot so much. Right. I think... No, I agree. And it's the library. Is the library parking ever full? I mean, once it comes in a lot. Yes, it does. Yeah. Sometimes. A lot. When they have programs, too. But even there are busy, busy days that it's full. But we, you know, at the Grout Hurt House, I mean, I park there today. Every day. Yeah. I think in general, when the bikers fill up. Yeah. It's warm weather. When the weather, yes. Does not keep library out. Right. But you're right, because there is parking behind. When there have been events, they have... What's his name? The custodian? Pardon me? The custodian for the library. Oh. I can't think of his name, but anyway. He'll guide people out behind the... See, and last time I had to park back there for an event, there probably were another six cars back there. Yeah. At least. And there's floodlights all the time. Yeah. And I mean, it has to be graded properly. Yeah. So you're not parking on whatever it was that we were... Well, is this...
I don't want to pass the buck. It's a great idea. But is it the job of the HDC to do this? Or, you know, the town's got to deal with this. Yes. But I think what we would do is be asking the town to deal with it. To deal with it. We are the one who, if any of the buildings... Because you guys live in the district and you're impacted by it. Well, it's not... I'm actually not thinking so much of me. It sounds like I am, but I'm really thinking... You'd be entitled to. Well, that there are all of these community buildings right here. Right. And not only that would I love to see us do, the rail trail is going to extend. They're going to be paving. Right. What used to be stone dust is going to be paved. They're going to change the crosswalk, thank goodness. They're going to do a little bit more on the other side. Why not coordinate with the street when they do that? Absolutely. And try to say, hey, don't you need more parking? Let's work together on this one. Right. Because, you know, they're illegally, if we're going to put parking along the rail trail, we're going to have to be working with Eversource, the MBTA, and others. So we're going to have to work with them anyway. Right. And if they are coming through, constructing, and that's just what they're doing, this is the time to... No, you're right. Yeah. Absolutely right. Mm-hmm. So... Yeah. It wouldn't be bad for us to make a recommendation to the street. Right. I mean, that's all it is. I mean, it wouldn't be... About the impact to the historic district if there isn't enough parking. Yeah. And also, I mean, this particular building, we want to preserve it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And this is a way it's going to get preserved. That's exactly right. That's right. And maintained. Yeah. Siné didn't do anything with it, did he? I'm sorry? No. No. And even when Fred was there, they didn't need that much parking. I know he grew up here, but he's a Cambridge... Yeah, their main office is in Boston. Yeah. They had, well, she said in her application that it was, you know, one-eighth filled or something. Yeah. I am concerned about what's going to happen if they don't get parking, because it can be dangerous even. I mean, you have that parallel parking there, and it's an exceedingly busy road. Yeah. That's hard to do. I... And they need a lot of people coming through if they're going to make money. Yeah. I mean, they really need a lot of people. Yes, they do. I'm sorry, they do. No, you're right. You're absolutely right. I'm not doing this so much for them. I guess I'm doing it for the... But the district... But it's for the district. ... negatively impacted. For the district. And I think it's within our purview to at least speak up. Yeah. Yes. Right. Yes, Lynn. That's all. Well, it would be a really useful analysis just to map out exactly what parking there is and how many spaces there are. I mean, I don't know how many. I actually don't know how many. I have no idea how many spaces there are. The library's closed at night, for God's sake. Yes. No one has meetings sometimes. Yeah. It's open until 9. Yeah. So... Well, I would just be curious to know what the number is. Yeah. Well, I can go count tomorrow. Well, I think even more than counting, you see, Desmond, the other thing, we have some that have two-hour parking. Sure. We have some on gravel. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Unpaved, so there's no lines or anything. Sure. Sure. Sure. Do you want me to take a crack at a memo? Ooh! That would be then presented in person. Yes. Preferably. I mean, should we vote on that one? We don't, we don't have to, you don't have to like what I say. You can, you know, edit. It's called that. It's called that. That would be wonderful, Gretchen. Yeah. But you know, I think, I think what the town really does need is professional help. Oh, I, I agree with that. Yeah. I mean, to really expand it. Yes. Well, even to... Her town moves so slowly. Mm-hmm. Do we have, do we have access at all to, uh, an urban planner? Uh, only if you pay for it. Hold on. I was thinking... Nobody on the town. ...had access to it. I thought the town had one. No. As a planner. There used to be a guy called Serky, who's not here anymore. No, no, no. He wasn't a planner? No. Okay. He was a planner, yeah. He put the sidewalk in front of my house. The things that seem to plow through quickly are the things we don't want, like the project on Rice Road. Yeah. Right. Right. Okay. Don't get me started. That didn't plow through so quickly, but... Well, it's... Yeah, but it's... But... Yeah. They got through, you know, the, the, we hired an attorney. Yeah. And he tells us we're only in the third inning. Yeah. They have to clear... Oh, I know. All that, yeah. And, and those other entities are not limited by that law that lets them do anything. By the Doefer Amendment? Yes. Oh, I don't know about that. Certainly, according to our attorney. Oh, okay. Well, I hope he's right. Okay. Well, I hope he's right. That the Conservation Commission is not governed by them. Okay. I'm hoping some... I can't help but think that the church went for everything, knowing it would cut, get cut back. Yeah. Right. Because it's going to be so awful. Yeah. I think we just record this, that we're going to do this, right? Yeah. Yes. In the minutes, what I was going to do is that Gretchen is going to come up with a draft or a memo, and we will look at it. Yeah. Give me feedback, and it'd be from... We will all support it. Yeah. Yes, from the historic distribution. Yes. Okay. Very good. I'll give you back one topic to the people that are moving. Yeah. When the new people move in, is it our committee's job? I can write a letter that says, welcome to the neighborhood. Welcome. Because I got one. Exactly. Exactly. So, how long is it going to be? And here's our guidebook. Okay. It's online, so you can... Yeah, yeah. Does the agent who has the property, has that agent been familiar with the guides that are in place for an historic property? And actually, the real estate agent is supposed to tell the new buyer all of that. That's what I... And actually, they only have to if you ask. Oh, really? Oh. Yes. Oh, we went through this in Newton. It was unbelievable. You are kidding. My personal opinion is that that wouldn't fly. Oh, I hope that's true. Yeah. That it wouldn't fly. If somebody is buying a property with terms and conditions applied to it, that could impact their use and enjoyment. Right. So, to me, that is a legal disclosure. Me too. And I teach this. I should think so. Right. Good. Good. I hope you're right. I should think so. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. An imposition on the future owner that they need to be aware of before they buy. Yeah. That's what I... They could also present it in a positive way. Positive way. Right. Exactly. Great. That you're going to have... Or is that protection? Yeah. Protection for the... Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Marjorie, you had a third topic. And just a real short one, and maybe it doesn't matter at all. One of the things that I found very handy when I was chair, online, the town has... And it's been beautifully developed, the historic district commission web pages. They're terrific. We have... It's a meeting packet. And in the meeting packet, and it's online now, but it's for January, not for this one. But it was helpful to have the agenda, the minutes, the application, everything that would be needed so that anybody who wanted to come and just look at it could. They could go through everything. They could read the minutes. They could, you know... So, I believe that, and it's been a while since I joined the commission, I looked, but I haven't looked since, but there's a place that talks about exactly what the guidelines and restrictions are. Oh, there's a booklet. Yeah. We have it all online. I know. We really do. And what I'm talking about is very minuscule. Excuse me. It's just the first page. Every single meeting, you can go there and look and see what... And you can look for past ones, even. Marjorie, is it... Because I can work with them to organize it a better way. Is it that when... Because the minutes won't come out for months, the way we approve our minutes. But the draft could be there. The draft could be there, the C of A... I don't think it's a good idea to put a draft until it's approved. They don't even want it until it's approved, I don't think. But we approve them pretty quickly. For example, the minutes we approved today are from January. Yeah. I will send them tomorrow to the town clerk. Right. No. And they go somewhere, online. I don't know where they go. Oh, Greg. The town clerk does very little. Let me tell you right now. Okay. She makes you think that she's in charge. Queen B. She doesn't. All she cares about is making sure it's posted, the meeting is posted. It's Jalen who posts everything on the website. Okay. It's Jalen and the... So I can just follow up with them to make sure everything goes? Yeah. Jalen especially. She's done a wonderful job of posting everything I used to give her. Uh-huh. But, no, the clerk is only concerned with making sure that, well... My bad. I get... No, no, no, no. The clerk can... But send it to the right person. They're very different people. Yeah. And not only that, what they care about is quite different. Because Jalen won't do it unless she'll give it to her. And then she'll put it online. It's not her job, Tim. She's here to assist us if we need help. Yeah. She will put things online for us. The clerk is the one who, you know, you have to 24 hours ahead and post things. And then if it's a hearing... Two weeks for hearing. Two weeks ahead. I'm doing all that stuff. I know you do it. That's with the clerk. That's with the clerk. This other stuff is through Jalen. So I can follow up with the manager, Jalen, to make sure every document is posted. And she has what she wants. Okay. And you could do it even for this meeting because it'd be nice to have it online. To have the agenda, the application, all of the pictures right there on the HDC website. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I've got a fourth item perhaps to put in there maybe. So we don't have any defined requirements for drawings people submit, do we? No. No. I think we should have. We don't have any... You'll be writing those. Okay. I just... Defined... Yeah. Defined... Basic requirement. Minimal requirement. No hand sketches anymore. For drawing... Architectural drawings in support of... Oh. Of what people want to do. It's a hot mess. It really was. But will we have to somehow decide... I mean like if you're just going to change your door. Yeah. I mean, if you just change your door, you don't need that. Okay. Right. But I'm talking about... That was a whole... Yeah. I understand. And maybe that's overreach. I don't know. It just seems to me that we were able to dig in and find out what they were trying to do, but it just seems like... But that they didn't know exactly what they were going to do. Right. Proved it. Made it a little squishy. Right. Yes. And so I would... I would be happier if they had committed their thoughts to a piece of paper and was right there. I think they were still feeling their way through. Yeah. That's not right. That was premature. Yeah. That was premature to bring it to us. Yeah. Maybe we should have sent them back. Oh, I don't know. You know, I think we all kind of work through things differently. I know. Well... He's come before us a couple of times. This is not being recorded, right? Mm-hmm. Oh, it is being recorded. We haven't enjoyed a meeting yet. Uh-oh. I don't think there's anything wrong with the discussion about it. No, I don't either. Yeah. Okay. Well, it seems to me that what happens sometimes is people come before us, they're not quite... We don't quite know exactly. You know... Well, I guess my feeling is they should come back to us again when they're pretty sure what they want to do. Yeah. True. But we don't have to accept it. That's true. Exactly right. That's all we have to do. That's right. We just have to be the ones who say no. Yes. But you're right. It is something that could go in with the application. That, you know, on the back part of the application that what is maybe not required, but maybe we're saying recommended. Suggested and basic drawn. Yeah. We have that already. We have that already. We do. Okay. If you look at the back of the application, we ask for photos. We ask for pictures. Right. We have architectural drawings. We... Desmond's saying is maybe if we say, well, if you're doing this, you're painting your door, you need this. If you're working with an architect, or you're going to make constructural changes, you need a planned view, a top view, a side view. Yes, architectural. Yeah, I think that's what he... And I think what we want to say is something to the equivalent of, we would record that we would highly recommend a schematic level of drawing. Right. Well, the reason we went ahead with that is that whatever they need to do to that roof will not be visible from the street. Right. Yes. That is slightly outside of our stated... Correct. Correct. Correct. However, we did spend a lot of time drawing information out of them by asking questions, as opposed to being presented to us. Yes. Well, some people ask in advance. Kirsten's very organized, but she wrote us or me, I don't know, two months ago, ceasing her architects of, hey, what do we need to come to this commission? Right. And I sent some draft and I said, gee, it'd be great to have some detail about the font and the paint finishes. And boom, they added that whole chapter. Right. Yeah, yeah. So they asked. Some people just don't ask. And they also had to go to the ZBA. Yeah. Right. And the planning board. And they have an architect who worked professionally. If those squishy details impacted the facade of the building, we would not have gone forward. Yeah. But it's their problem to solve their roof issue. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, moving on, do we have any other topics for the meeting today? I guess the only question I have for the minutes. Desmond, I will put it in the minutes if this is an idea you have. Sure. To include something like that. Yeah. And maybe we can pick it up and discuss it at our next meeting. Right. Sure. You know, I think maybe we could like that. But we'd be... I have a feeling we shouldn't wait too long for our next meeting to approve any kind of a memo to go to the selectmen. We could do that through email. I don't think you want to... We don't necessarily... Well, but you're not allowed to, really, against the open meetings. Well... We could do a very short meeting just for that. Yeah. 10 minutes. It'll be a half-hour meeting? Yeah. Two weeks from now? Three weeks from now? Yeah. Or a 10-minute meeting, maybe. If you... I'm traveling... Not until the end of May, but I'm gone for three weeks. Yeah. So, let's try and do it sometime in the beginning of the first week or two of April. Okay. So, when Easter Sunday, you'll be like... Well, I've got it. So, Gretchen, what time are you thinking of? I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. 30. I mean, I'll do it sometime in the next week or two. In the next week, I will get it to you. Sit down for 30. That's a long period. It's a lot. I don't do a long period. Oh, that's right. So, you'll share it with us. So, you'll all have it, and then you can come to a meeting and say, yes, no, maybe can. Yeah. So, there's a question. I try and want to make that happen. This isn't a public meeting. It's just us meeting, right? No. We can't have a just us meeting. It doesn't have to be a hearing, but it's a meeting. So, how much... Do I have to give notice, or do I have to invite Robbie to run the meeting and record? 48 hours. If you decide that it's going to be remote as well, then yes. But if you don't, just don't have a remote. Yeah. And then Robbie doesn't have to come, right? Don't have to be. Well, but maybe you'd like to. Maybe you'd like to. Maybe you'd like to. Maybe you'd like to get me over. Yes. If it might get Wednesdays, and then I'll be the one prior to trying the meeting now. Okay. Well, I have to find the room if it's being recorded and it's public. Okay. Do all the meetings have to be recorded? If it's me and all-person, and it's not like a hybrid meeting that don't record those at all. I think you just have an all-person meeting. So, the 48 hours notice and said, hey, the HPC's going to meet to talk about a parking of the hours. Well, it doesn't have to be. You have your agenda, whatever it is. Yeah. But it's not. There's no hearing. It could be very brave. And we're just talking about the parking memo. Yeah. It's 48, isn't it? 48 hours. 48. 48 hours notice. 48. 48 hours notice. You have time? Book or room? No. 48 hours. Anyway, you know. Basically, it's just on the agenda will be a memo regarding parking within the historic district area. Okay. Improved parking or whatever, or advanced or additional parking. And we will go over the memo and approve it or whatever, and then they'll go to the sub board. Okay. Yeah, correct. Yeah. I'll get, so the first or second Tuesday of April is good for everybody? Mm-hmm. That'd be good. Okay. So it's something like the first. The fifth is a Sunday. Third is a Friday. First is a Wednesday. The first is the first night of Passover. Oh, okay. No, right. First to second Tuesday. First Tuesday is a... Rather not Tuesday, because I'll be cooking. Right. Right. But whatever. Okay. Okay. What is the following one? The seventh? Seventh. April 7th. Or April 14th. April 7th. That works. I'm going to get either one. April 7th is fine. April 7th is fine. Okay, let's shoot for the 7th. Okay. All right. And just to be clear, I'm going to call the agent who has the... The listing for the... And just introduce myself as a member of the commission and make sure she's doing it. That would be good. Okay. We just had a vote for the... Close the meeting at 825. Yay. We all were... Okay. Okay. Okay. Robbie, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Robbie. Yeah.
I'm Greg Dale, the chair of the committee, and I'll be responding to this and making things go smooth. And we're here today reading your application. First, I'd like to introduce members of the committee, if you could each say your name. Sure. Marjorie Gaston. Desiree McCauley. Gretchen Schuler. Mary McCauley. So what I'd like to do now is, and we'll hear from the applicant, answer your question. Have a debate and discuss what you're doing. Great. Well, thank you for having us. My name is Kirsten Lipson, for those that I haven't met. And I'll be the owner of Townhouse Cafe and Bistro. And I'm joined tonight by almost the entire team. I've got Alex Sipsis and Brandon Needleman on remote. They're from our project management firm, Evis and Young. We did have, maybe it's in the panel, Alex Vane is with our construction team, Vantage. Then I have joined by Neal, oh gosh, I'm going to mess up the last name. Shappler. Shappler. Shappler. Shappler, who's our architect with JTA. And then also, Julia on remote. She is also with JTA. And she's part of the design team that actually helped design some of the signs. She is also by Jeff Eugino, who's with my legal team and code specialist. I think if Travis is on, I don't know, he was on and then maybe left. But if not, he helped me out of line. He's also on the architect. So, Travis and Camille have really been spearheading the designs for this. Can you join the meeting? I see you. Oh, great. There you go. So, John House Cafe and Bistro, we are looking to revive the old Collins Market building and turn it into, as the name suggests, a cafe and bistro. The opening hours will be Tuesday to Friday, 730 to 330, and Saturday and Sunday, 8 to 8. During the week, it'll be more of a breakfast, coffee, lunch. The weekends, the program will also include a more robust brunch, as well as afternoon tea and kind of more of a full dinner service. We received a special program at the CBA to operate a restaurant there. We also received, in January meeting, the site plan approval, as well as outdoor dining approval. So, today, we're here to discuss and get your approval on the making sure that our exterior renovations are in line in keeping with the spirit of the regulations of the Historic District Commission. And I will say part of the ethos to this project, core to this project, is really to honor the history of the building and of the area. As I mentioned in the application, the name, just Townhouse, is to honor its original purpose as the first town hall of Weyland, which was called Townhouse then. Inside, especially upstairs, the four areas are all named to honor parts of the building's history as the site of the first telephone switchboard, the site of the first free public library. One is called The Study to honor its history as a schoolhouse, as well as the marketplace to honor its long history, both as Collins Market as well as Bubble Market. And I do have the original Collins Market sign, and that will be displayed inside in the marketplace room. Most of the exterior or all of the exterior renovations that we're doing are really to bring it up to make up for the deferred maintenance that it needs. And so, the paint, we've been to the Weyland Historical Museum and looked at the old paint chips to make sure that our colors are all in keeping. We want to maintain the same color, white, the green shutters. The sign, we looked at old, they've had a lot of different iterations of signage on the building, but we're trying to keep it as true to what it has been, as well as in keeping with the rest of the district. We, since it predated a lot of ADA requirements, we are also looking to add ADA access to the back. We weren't able to add the ramp to the front without, to both lean compliance and without altering some of the columns. So, we are adding a gradual 2% grade along the left-hand side of the building to kind of direct traffic away from residential abutters. And then we are adding a rear egress in the back. One, because we need more egresses. And two, that'll be ADA compliant with the turning radius to enter there. Interiorly, I know that's out of the purview of this committee, but we will be also adding a lift so that they can access the second floor. We'll be adding an ADA bathroom, both on the first and second floors. Then, we, to shield the outdoor dining patio, which will be in the back, it will seat 14 to 15 patrons. We've added a wood, a wooden shield screen, in keeping with some of the historic trim colors of wood. And the lighting will be very minimal, string lights, so very not indirect. Yes, yes. And confined. Yes, yes, confined. And then the signage, we will have, we're replacing the former, the most recent occupant, the Sunny Real Estate, the same footprint, that'll be Cafe and Bistro, up in the, above, above that, yes, it'll, where in the past, it has said, Collins Market, that will say Townhouse, the wooden letters, in keeping with the historic style. So, and then out front, to, to, for more visibility, to be adding a perpendicular sign, in keeping with some of the neighborhood signs, that will say Townhouse, Cafe, and Bistro. All of those signs will have modest, direct lighting for illumination purposes. And then the door, we will actually, um, uh, be reverting to one of the old historical, um, doors with a full window, um, which is also more in keeping with restaurant, Bistro style. Um, but, I believe, was it the Collins Market, or the Lovell Market, at the door, I believe it was the Collins Market. Yeah. Will you, do you have a picture of the door that's going in? Um, and that should be on, one of the, it should be on this, but I'm not sure, I, sheet number eight, right here, and there's that picture. Yeah, that picture right there.
Okay. That's the historic, all right, thank you. Mm-hmm. And then we will also be adding, um, a bike, a bike rack, uh, looking at the building to the right, closest to the, the bike, um, the rail trail, and it will match the, the, um, black kind of broad iron style and aesthetic. And then we will also be adding a horse hitch, um, which, uh, since the building predates cars, we have lots of photos with a horse and buggy, and that is actually, um, from my family's old property in Melrose in the 1700s. So, it's historically fun. Finally, as well. Um, you know, any other overviews? Honestly, you did a beautiful job. Um, no, I think that's basically it, and, you know, basically, we just want to do what we can to restore the building back to its original, um, state, um, and, and keeping within the color palette that it's been in the past, and so we'll be working to kind of match those colors as, as closely as we can, um, and anything that we do, we'll be replacing in kind, but really just to bring it back to life, honestly, um, and, you know, pay a, you know, homage to the historic part of it, um, and then anything, like, anything new, you know, we're trying to also make sure that it's tasteful, um, and isn't, you know, too gaudy or anything like that, and works well with the building, but it also helps to also accentuate the, the historical part of it as well. So, yeah. Um, one other aspect, uh, coming out of the site plan meeting, we were able to rework the, um, kitchen, exhaust hood, and so that will go up through the flat part of the roof, and not I noticed that, that's great, it was very, very considerate. Could you just talk a little bit about the, um, the right, is that great, can I ask a question? Sure. Okay, um, about the, um, ADA path that goes to the back. That's that question. Yeah. I mean, I know it says it's, uh, gray herringbone pattern. Yes. And so what's the material? Oh, I actually have the material. Oh, okay. Oh, good. So. I mean, obviously if it's ADA, it's not going to be brick. No, it's going to be very, yeah, very, um, flat. Um, so it's going to be, as, as you said, um, gray brick paper in a herringbone pattern. So this will be, you know, like that. Um, you're welcome to, I would, I would pass it around with her a little. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So that's the idea anyway. Um, yeah. And doing a little bit, something a bit more modern, um, again, cause we want to, you know, preserve what's historical and this is technically. So my question about the ADA compliance is, um, uh, I, I think, I think it's, it's great to not have it change the nature of the facade, but isn't ADA accessibility supposedly equal to non ADA accessibility? I'm just wondering if, if, if you dot all the I's and cross the T's in terms of ADA. Yes. No, I mean, I think right for our, for our efforts, we're trying to do what we can to provide an ADA entrance. And because we don't want to touch the front of the building, we thought, Hey, I mean, if we can make it towards the back, we were already planning on patio seating. Sure. Um, so doing what we can with, with what we can without altering the exterior too, too much, obviously we'll, we'll gradually grade the, to the 2%, um, but we thought that that was the most minimal. Well, I think it is. Absolutely. I just wanted to make sure that. Yeah. You, you may have to go through the, um, ADA compliant, whatever it's called. Um, yes, because it's national registered property, uh, it gets to have that ability to go through another entry. If it had been built five years ago when you were doing this, you wouldn't be able to do that with ADA. No, no, you could. No. Oh, I know in, in Newton, many buildings. I've, I've had several instances where if you try to bring somebody in the rear of the building, they will have a conversation with you about it. Um, but it's historic, so it's different. We've also been in close contact with the building inspector to Tom Zumba. Great. Yeah. No, it's the national registered part. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. And I, it actually receives, um, approval from the national, uh, so it's part of my lender. Um, so the Massachusetts arm of the national. Yes. So they've received that. Okay. Yeah. Just wanted to make sure that you, you've gone through that. That's all. Yeah. National. What would we. Um, the Massachusetts ADA. Oh, well, the, not the historic, I'll pull up the exact. I think mass ADA would be all I'd need for the minutes. Yeah. I've got it. All right.
They signed off. That's great. Oh, maybe the mass historical commission signed off. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes. Right. Okay. Out of curiosity, did the original building ever have flags in the front of any kind? I think there's some pictures of flags. We've seen like some blade signs actually coming off of the pillars. Yeah. I actually find the picture that's up right now. I think we can see there's some blade signs, but I don't think we ever saw any pictures of like, my God, are you think like a true American, like an American class? You know, we had a flag. It was on our, my property because the levels owned Collins market, it was level market at one point, and they had a flagpole that's no longer there, a big wood flagpole that it was halfway between our house and, uh, level market, and it was used all the time. So that was sort of flagged when I've been there.
It was probably five.
When it was, when it was, uh, the town hall was probably, it was probably five somewhere.
What is the, um, width of the ADA path? I mean, it's obviously what it has to be, but. Yeah. So it's, I believe it's like four to five feet. I can't remember that thing right off the top of my brain, but it, it needs complexity. No, I was just curious how, what. Yeah, because I can't remember what. Yeah, pretty ample size, um, yeah. And beyond the ADA, also envisioning a lot of strollers. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And there's not that much grade to change. You're never used door at all. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Was there like a foot, a foot difference between grade and first floor? It was, it was too much that, um, we explored just like a straight. Front ramp and it was going to need to be too long. Yeah. Because not only the front steps, but then there's also a step up. Up there, yeah, exactly. There's three all told. Yeah. That's 18 inches. Probably. And the, um, the columns prohibited a turning radius. If we try to, uh, ramp up the site. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Sort of glad that happened that way. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not unhappy about this. No, no. I just want to. No, no. Right. Yeah. Sure. No, I think we're all kind of excited about it. Yeah. Um, any other questions from our committee? I'm going to go to them. Are there any questions from the public? Anybody that may be dialing in from the public? I, I have one thing to share. We all received an email today from, uh, Mary Farley, which I now have on the screen. Oh, God. In support of what you're doing. It's very nice. Yeah. So we'll, we'll put that in the record for you. Sure. Yeah, I, I guess, I don't know if this is, um, not appropriate to ask, but if you do not get the parking, will you still go forward? Yes. Um, all right. Yes. Accepting that as a business risk. I, I am in talks with, um, Silk Vet and the Wayland Pediatrics about emptying their lots, um, during off hours, uh, whether for employees or like for events. Um, so that's flying that option. Um, I also live very close. So if I need to have employees park at my lot on my property, so we have a lot of contingencies. Um, and I, and I also feel like a sizable portion of the, um, customer base is already visiting the area from the library, from the rail trail, from the businesses and in the area. So it won't necessarily be an increase in, um, particular traffic, uh, the public safety building, the town hall. I did a few times, uh, four minute walk, even if the crossing walk gods are not in your favor, um, from out here to the townhouse door. Right. Yeah. So, um, yes, feel, feel confidence that, that we can make it work even without any other, yeah. You might need a bigger bike rack. Yeah. You know, the other thing I think of, and again, might be speaking of, the, uh, new town center, uh, seems to have an awful lot of extra parking. Um, if anybody were biking or even driving and they were willing to walk. Yeah. Also. A quarter of a mile or, wouldn't be a quarter of a mile be more like an eighth of a mile. But if you're willing to walk on a nice day and to work something out with them to see. Especially under the new ownership, they might be more. Yeah. They might, they might be willing to at least try it as an experiment to see if it would work for a limited period of time and that kind of stuff. Is there anybody that has not already spoken that would like to speak? Yeah. I just have one or two more questions. Okay. I'm curious if there's anything else. Close. Do I have a motion? No, no. He has one more. Two more questions. You can deliver it after I close the call. Oh, no, no. He has questions of them. Okay. That may be content that. So just out of curiosity, um, um, I assume that people have access to the outside, the second floor porch. Um, not, not at this point. Okay. Okay. Didn't want to boil the ocean. Yeah. Uh, when, when, and if, but so, um, no, they're, that will not be open. Okay. So no questions. Not bringing that up to code at this point. Okay. Yeah. That was my question. Okay. I'm done. Thank you. Is that a motion to close the public hearing? So moved. Second. Second. Oh, you have to do a roll call. Say hi. It's all of us. Gretchen, hi. Here we go. Jasmine, hi. Yeah. Is Alex on there? Our, our Alex? No. Okay. I don't think Alex. You're Alex, but not ours. Yes. Okay. All right. Do you want a motion to, uh. So I have a, we have a motion to, uh, recommendation for a certificate of appropriateness. To accept the application. As, as, uh, presented. As presented. As presented. And as written. As presented. Yeah. Yeah, the motion. Second. Second. Okay. There we go. On the motion. Well, this is going to be over in a minute. Why not? Sure. Okay. Everybody ready? Ready. Say your name. Hi. Gretchen Schuler. Hi. Jess McCauley. Hi. And so that's all of us here. Okay. You're done. Thank you. Are you still on a draw on one target? Uh, closer to, um, early to mid-August. Oh, okay. Yes. I was there for that. One of those conversations and your husband said, I don't think so. Well, I don't think I could be happier to see that a real use. Yeah. To this, to this building and to see it occupied. It's great. Yes. And actually to have something functioning in it, that's going to bring people. And they're going to see what great building. And you don't have Wi-Fi. Yes. I'll be done. Yes. I know. I just started putting out signs like with the laptops at home. But I don't, especially during the week, um, occupancy is not going to be our limiting factor. So Wi-Fi, please come join the space. We'll have plenty of outlets. Yes. You can go and hear those, those drawings right now. Terrific. Are there more, um, hoops you have to jump through here? I think this was one of the, um, the last, like, official, and then hoping to get the building from the end of this week, beginning of sometime next week. So then, um, start once that. That's. Yeah. Cool. Great. All right. Administratively. So you, you issue a certificate and that's recorded with the. I will write. Yeah. And then I will next also be going to the, uh, design review board and CBA for the signage, but I think getting this approval is, you know, outside design. Yeah. Right. Make sure to include it. Thank you all for your, uh, your time and your thoughtful questions and really good. Well, you give me a thoroughness and. Yeah. Very nice package. Nice box. Professional. Yeah. Not always. Right. Yes. Uh, yes. Functionality. Name of the name. Right. Uh, thank you team that's joined online. Thank you. Thank you guys. Yeah. Nice to meet you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Will you be carrying the Bulee's tea? Will you be carrying the Bulee's tea? Will you be carrying the Bulee's tea? Oh, I don't know. I'm telling you now. Okay. Well, I'm going to. That you're not a special connection. Are you a Bulee? No. I wish I was. But I do like it, yeah. I do too. No, it's, um, looking like probably pharma coffee though. Oh, I like pharma coffee. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do like it. Yeah. I do too. No, it's, um, looking like probably pharma coffee though. Oh, like pharma coffee. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Great. You folks should have 20 of the 80 minutes from our last meeting. Yes, we do. All right. Well, as I emailed it out. Very good. I have one of the minutes. Desmond, I included in the minutes. I move that we approve the minutes as written. I don't have. Oh, you have some. Well, I wrote them, but I have one question. I included something that Desmond may not want included in the minutes. Oh. The last sentence. Well, we can make it right here. Oh. Or should we leave it? I think leave it. I think leave it. I think leave it. I have no problem with that. They were shabby drawings. I have no problem with that. We were. To say whether you want to be included or not. Do I have a second? Second. Second. Approved. And it's approved. Yeah. Those drawings. Those drawings are pathetic. They should be. I thought about it, actually. I really did. Well, I'll tell you what they are. Through a zillion questions, we could find out what they were doing, although we still haven't got a solution on how they're going to drain it. How they're going to drain it. That's pretty basic. Yep. You know. Our chair asked if there were things that were not on the agenda that we would want to bring up, and I said there are three things. Okay. Okay. Okay. And very briefly. I want everybody to know. Within the Historic District, you know, the rights are moving. They're moving to the case. They're selling their house. They're selling their house. They're selling their house. And they're selling their house. Well, they have a house down there. It was Jennifer's mother. And they level the house and they're building a new one. Yeah. And it's beautifully located. Yeah. And I think he's retiring. Uh huh. And he's retiring. And he's retiring. And he's retiring. And he's retiring. And he's retiring. So, wow. Okay. Okay. So, that's happening. Okay. So, that's happening. Okay. So, that's happening. Okay. Okay. So, that's happening. The other thing I wanted to mention. What would you think as a historic district? Okay. Okay. So, that's happening. Okay. So, that's happening. The other thing I wanted to mention. What would you think as a historic district commission to make a plea before the select board that the town look into a plan for additional parking within the historic district that could benefit, not only the Bistro, but the library and the museum and the depot. Right. You know. And... Where? My... Well, that's just it. I guess in my own mind, I would love to have them get some professional help. And I think that one planner, traffic planner, we've had in the past that I think is excellent as Kevin Dandrade. I want to catch him before he retires. Yeah. And have him look at all the land that we do have. There's quite a bit of land on either side of the tracks. Freight house going all the way down this land. On the other side of the tracks there, as you go down toward Millbrook, there's some land that the town owns that's west of the depot. Right. To just look at what we have and see if we can't figure out how to better use what we have. We might not need an awful lot more. And the other thing you might even think about doing is like out in front of this bistro have two-hour parking on... What they have on Pelham Island Road is two-hour parking only. Yeah. And then people who are employed... Working there. ...don't park there all day. Right. And that's what's happening up in front right now. Right. And it can happen. What is their maximum capacity at the bistro? How many? 25 downstairs and I forget how many left. It could take a lot of people. Yeah. If you look at the numbers, it looks like 50. Yeah. It looks like a lot of people. And then if you think of 50 cars. Yeah. Probably not 50 cars. Most people don't dine alone. They might meet. Yeah. Yeah. But it could be 30 to 35. Yeah. 30 to 35. Yeah. We don't have... I think that we have another issue. And I think that we... I mean, I'm willing to go to the Selectmen personally and whether we wanted to do it as a board, but I was really offended when the library immediately, when this came up and they were at the Zoning Board of Appeals, they immediately put up signs all along the rail trail, library parking only, library patron parking only. And then... And some of us asked about it and they said, oh, that was decided in 1987? I know. That was given to them? I mean, it was just baloney. Yeah. And I was really offended by that. The board of trustees, the library trustees, the library director, they said at the meeting, no, you can't park there. But do they enforce it? Well, I don't know, but I think it's wrong. Is that lot half library, half bikers or the whole thing's library? No. They claim it's all theirs. Oh, I like that. And then we actually talked about, well, could we, you know, could they have parking spots behind the freight house? Oh, no, no, no. We have all that. So when I... I noticed the sign when I went to the meeting at the Grafford House. And I thought, well, I'm just ignoring this thing. Yeah. Now, I always... I ignore it all the time. Gretchen, I have a question. Yes. It seems to me that I do know that, for instance, the depot parking lot is under the auspices of the select board. Right. Okay. And there are certain parking lots that are under the auspices of the schools. Yes. Okay. However, my understanding was the select board was over it all. They could decide if it should be taken from parks or from the library and they could move things around. Yes. They have the ultimate authority. So we don't have to get too... Oh, I would only go to the select board. Yeah, right. Oh, absolutely. No, absolutely. And I also think that your idea, way back when we talked about this, of having the depot parking, the two-hour parking, is a good idea. I think it would make a lot of sense. It would be good for the depot, even. Yeah. And again, what we... I rarely see cars there. Huh? I rarely see cars at the depot. Oh. It depends. It depends. Maybe before the holidays. Yeah. Is it overflow for when bikers spill at the other line? No. You know what? It used to get very, very full when Collins Market was really being used. And then around holiday time with the depot, there are times when there's an event and it just gets loaded. I think that's different. It tends to be people who work. Work. Yeah. Employees. That's the thing. Who... So by making it two-hour, that would eliminate that. Yes. And actually, our zoning laws say that if you have a business, you're supposed to provide for parking for your employees. For your employees. Right. And not use public... Well, they're not going to be. Right. Well, she even talked about having the parking at her place. At her home. Yeah. I couldn't believe that. I don't know how she could have enough space there for all the employees. For her employees. She might be able to. I don't think she's stuck in any other place. Yeah. Would that be... That would not be... I mean, to have five or six cars parked there on a residential street? I don't know. I mean, because I don't... That's how I'm talking. So, we're talking... So, back to your original idea. So, there's four attractions at that intersection near your home. Mm-hmm. The depot, now the New Market, the Crowherd House, and the library. Yes. And there's two parking lots. One by the depot, and by the library. Well, you don't say there's... Yeah. And there's parking spaces. Parking spaces out in front. Parking spaces down Pelham Island Road. So, there's... People don't use the parking here and just... Oh, get it off across Route 20. Ugh. Well, so, but if we just focus on these two lots that are... Yeah. ...right close to all four things. Right. One idea is make them bigger. Yeah. The other idea is make them... Anybody can use them for anything. Mm-hmm. I don't think we're challenging... Well, we've got commuters parking there. Of course not. No. Right. We've got this library turf battle, and people don't use the other lot so much. Right. I think... No, I agree. And it's the library. Is the library parking ever full? I mean, once it comes in a lot. Yes, it does. Yeah. Sometimes. A lot. When they have programs, too. But even there are busy, busy days that it's full. But we, you know, at the Grout Hurt House, I mean, I park there today. Every day. Yeah. I think in general, when the bikers fill up. Yeah. It's warm weather. When the weather, yes. Does not keep library out. Right. But you're right, because there is parking behind. When there have been events, they have... What's his name? The custodian? Pardon me? The custodian for the library. Oh. I can't think of his name, but anyway. He'll guide people out behind the... See, and last time I had to park back there for an event, there probably were another six cars back there. Yeah. At least. And there's floodlights all the time. Yeah. And I mean, it has to be graded properly. Yeah. So you're not parking on whatever it was that we were... Well, is this...
I don't want to pass the buck. It's a great idea. But is it the job of the HDC to do this? Or, you know, the town's got to deal with this. Yes. But I think what we would do is be asking the town to deal with it. To deal with it. We are the one who, if any of the buildings... Because you guys live in the district and you're impacted by it. Well, it's not... I'm actually not thinking so much of me. It sounds like I am, but I'm really thinking... You'd be entitled to. Well, that there are all of these community buildings right here. Right. And not only that would I love to see us do, the rail trail is going to extend. They're going to be paving. Right. What used to be stone dust is going to be paved. They're going to change the crosswalk, thank goodness. They're going to do a little bit more on the other side. Why not coordinate with the street when they do that? Absolutely. And try to say, hey, don't you need more parking? Let's work together on this one. Right. Because, you know, they're illegally, if we're going to put parking along the rail trail, we're going to have to be working with Eversource, the MBTA, and others. So we're going to have to work with them anyway. Right. And if they are coming through, constructing, and that's just what they're doing, this is the time to... No, you're right. Yeah. Absolutely right. Mm-hmm. So... Yeah. It wouldn't be bad for us to make a recommendation to the street. Right. I mean, that's all it is. I mean, it wouldn't be... About the impact to the historic district if there isn't enough parking. Yeah. And also, I mean, this particular building, we want to preserve it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And this is a way it's going to get preserved. That's exactly right. That's right. And maintained. Yeah. Siné didn't do anything with it, did he? I'm sorry? No. No. And even when Fred was there, they didn't need that much parking. I know he grew up here, but he's a Cambridge... Yeah, their main office is in Boston. Yeah. They had, well, she said in her application that it was, you know, one-eighth filled or something. Yeah. I am concerned about what's going to happen if they don't get parking, because it can be dangerous even. I mean, you have that parallel parking there, and it's an exceedingly busy road. Yeah. That's hard to do. I... And they need a lot of people coming through if they're going to make money. Yeah. I mean, they really need a lot of people. Yes, they do. I'm sorry, they do. No, you're right. You're absolutely right. I'm not doing this so much for them. I guess I'm doing it for the... But the district... But it's for the district. ... negatively impacted. For the district. And I think it's within our purview to at least speak up. Yeah. Yes. Right. Yes, Lynn. That's all. Well, it would be a really useful analysis just to map out exactly what parking there is and how many spaces there are. I mean, I don't know how many. I actually don't know how many. I have no idea how many spaces there are. The library's closed at night, for God's sake. Yes. No one has meetings sometimes. Yeah. It's open until 9. Yeah. So... Well, I would just be curious to know what the number is. Yeah. Well, I can go count tomorrow. Well, I think even more than counting, you see, Desmond, the other thing, we have some that have two-hour parking. Sure. We have some on gravel. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Unpaved, so there's no lines or anything. Sure. Sure. Sure. Do you want me to take a crack at a memo? Ooh! That would be then presented in person. Yes. Preferably. I mean, should we vote on that one? We don't, we don't have to, you don't have to like what I say. You can, you know, edit. It's called that. It's called that. That would be wonderful, Gretchen. Yeah. But you know, I think, I think what the town really does need is professional help. Oh, I, I agree with that. Yeah. I mean, to really expand it. Yes. Well, even to... Her town moves so slowly. Mm-hmm. Do we have, do we have access at all to, uh, an urban planner? Uh, only if you pay for it. Hold on. I was thinking... Nobody on the town. ...had access to it. I thought the town had one. No. As a planner. There used to be a guy called Serky, who's not here anymore. No, no, no. He wasn't a planner? No. Okay. He was a planner, yeah. He put the sidewalk in front of my house. The things that seem to plow through quickly are the things we don't want, like the project on Rice Road. Yeah. Right. Right. Okay. Don't get me started. That didn't plow through so quickly, but... Well, it's... Yeah, but it's... But... Yeah. They got through, you know, the, the, we hired an attorney. Yeah. And he tells us we're only in the third inning. Yeah. They have to clear... Oh, I know. All that, yeah. And, and those other entities are not limited by that law that lets them do anything. By the Doefer Amendment? Yes. Oh, I don't know about that. Certainly, according to our attorney. Oh, okay. Well, I hope he's right. Okay. Well, I hope he's right. That the Conservation Commission is not governed by them. Okay. I'm hoping some... I can't help but think that the church went for everything, knowing it would cut, get cut back. Yeah. Right. Because it's going to be so awful. Yeah. I think we just record this, that we're going to do this, right? Yeah. Yes. In the minutes, what I was going to do is that Gretchen is going to come up with a draft or a memo, and we will look at it. Yeah. Give me feedback, and it'd be from... We will all support it. Yeah. Yes, from the historic distribution. Yes. Okay. Very good. I'll give you back one topic to the people that are moving. Yeah. When the new people move in, is it our committee's job? I can write a letter that says, welcome to the neighborhood. Welcome. Because I got one. Exactly. Exactly. So, how long is it going to be? And here's our guidebook. Okay. It's online, so you can... Yeah, yeah. Does the agent who has the property, has that agent been familiar with the guides that are in place for an historic property? And actually, the real estate agent is supposed to tell the new buyer all of that. That's what I... And actually, they only have to if you ask. Oh, really? Oh. Yes. Oh, we went through this in Newton. It was unbelievable. You are kidding. My personal opinion is that that wouldn't fly. Oh, I hope that's true. Yeah. That it wouldn't fly. If somebody is buying a property with terms and conditions applied to it, that could impact their use and enjoyment. Right. So, to me, that is a legal disclosure. Me too. And I teach this. I should think so. Right. Good. Good. I hope you're right. I should think so. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. An imposition on the future owner that they need to be aware of before they buy. Yeah. That's what I... They could also present it in a positive way. Positive way. Right. Exactly. Great. That you're going to have... Or is that protection? Yeah. Protection for the... Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Marjorie, you had a third topic. And just a real short one, and maybe it doesn't matter at all. One of the things that I found very handy when I was chair, online, the town has... And it's been beautifully developed, the historic district commission web pages. They're terrific. We have... It's a meeting packet. And in the meeting packet, and it's online now, but it's for January, not for this one. But it was helpful to have the agenda, the minutes, the application, everything that would be needed so that anybody who wanted to come and just look at it could. They could go through everything. They could read the minutes. They could, you know... So, I believe that, and it's been a while since I joined the commission, I looked, but I haven't looked since, but there's a place that talks about exactly what the guidelines and restrictions are. Oh, there's a booklet. Yeah. We have it all online. I know. We really do. And what I'm talking about is very minuscule. Excuse me. It's just the first page. Every single meeting, you can go there and look and see what... And you can look for past ones, even. Marjorie, is it... Because I can work with them to organize it a better way. Is it that when... Because the minutes won't come out for months, the way we approve our minutes. But the draft could be there. The draft could be there, the C of A... I don't think it's a good idea to put a draft until it's approved. They don't even want it until it's approved, I don't think. But we approve them pretty quickly. For example, the minutes we approved today are from January. Yeah. I will send them tomorrow to the town clerk. Right. No. And they go somewhere, online. I don't know where they go. Oh, Greg. The town clerk does very little. Let me tell you right now. Okay. She makes you think that she's in charge. Queen B. She doesn't. All she cares about is making sure it's posted, the meeting is posted. It's Jalen who posts everything on the website. Okay. It's Jalen and the... So I can just follow up with them to make sure everything goes? Yeah. Jalen especially. She's done a wonderful job of posting everything I used to give her. Uh-huh. But, no, the clerk is only concerned with making sure that, well... My bad. I get... No, no, no, no. The clerk can... But send it to the right person. They're very different people. Yeah. And not only that, what they care about is quite different. Because Jalen won't do it unless she'll give it to her. And then she'll put it online. It's not her job, Tim. She's here to assist us if we need help. Yeah. She will put things online for us. The clerk is the one who, you know, you have to 24 hours ahead and post things. And then if it's a hearing... Two weeks for hearing. Two weeks ahead. I'm doing all that stuff. I know you do it. That's with the clerk. That's with the clerk. This other stuff is through Jalen. So I can follow up with the manager, Jalen, to make sure every document is posted. And she has what she wants. Okay. And you could do it even for this meeting because it'd be nice to have it online. To have the agenda, the application, all of the pictures right there on the HDC website. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I've got a fourth item perhaps to put in there maybe. So we don't have any defined requirements for drawings people submit, do we? No. No. I think we should have. We don't have any... You'll be writing those. Okay. I just... Defined... Yeah. Defined... Basic requirement. Minimal requirement. No hand sketches anymore. For drawing... Architectural drawings in support of... Oh. Of what people want to do. It's a hot mess. It really was. But will we have to somehow decide... I mean like if you're just going to change your door. Yeah. I mean, if you just change your door, you don't need that. Okay. Right. But I'm talking about... That was a whole... Yeah. I understand. And maybe that's overreach. I don't know. It just seems to me that we were able to dig in and find out what they were trying to do, but it just seems like... But that they didn't know exactly what they were going to do. Right. Proved it. Made it a little squishy. Right. Yes. And so I would... I would be happier if they had committed their thoughts to a piece of paper and was right there. I think they were still feeling their way through. Yeah. That's not right. That was premature. Yeah. That was premature to bring it to us. Yeah. Maybe we should have sent them back. Oh, I don't know. You know, I think we all kind of work through things differently. I know. Well... He's come before us a couple of times. This is not being recorded, right? Mm-hmm. Oh, it is being recorded. We haven't enjoyed a meeting yet. Uh-oh. I don't think there's anything wrong with the discussion about it. No, I don't either. Yeah. Okay. Well, it seems to me that what happens sometimes is people come before us, they're not quite... We don't quite know exactly. You know... Well, I guess my feeling is they should come back to us again when they're pretty sure what they want to do. Yeah. True. But we don't have to accept it. That's true. Exactly right. That's all we have to do. That's right. We just have to be the ones who say no. Yes. But you're right. It is something that could go in with the application. That, you know, on the back part of the application that what is maybe not required, but maybe we're saying recommended. Suggested and basic drawn. Yeah. We have that already. We have that already. We do. Okay. If you look at the back of the application, we ask for photos. We ask for pictures. Right. We have architectural drawings. We... Desmond's saying is maybe if we say, well, if you're doing this, you're painting your door, you need this. If you're working with an architect, or you're going to make constructural changes, you need a planned view, a top view, a side view. Yes, architectural. Yeah, I think that's what he... And I think what we want to say is something to the equivalent of, we would record that we would highly recommend a schematic level of drawing. Right. Well, the reason we went ahead with that is that whatever they need to do to that roof will not be visible from the street. Right. Yes. That is slightly outside of our stated... Correct. Correct. Correct. However, we did spend a lot of time drawing information out of them by asking questions, as opposed to being presented to us. Yes. Well, some people ask in advance. Kirsten's very organized, but she wrote us or me, I don't know, two months ago, ceasing her architects of, hey, what do we need to come to this commission? Right. And I sent some draft and I said, gee, it'd be great to have some detail about the font and the paint finishes. And boom, they added that whole chapter. Right. Yeah, yeah. So they asked. Some people just don't ask. And they also had to go to the ZBA. Yeah. Right. And the planning board. And they have an architect who worked professionally. If those squishy details impacted the facade of the building, we would not have gone forward. Yeah. But it's their problem to solve their roof issue. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, moving on, do we have any other topics for the meeting today? I guess the only question I have for the minutes. Desmond, I will put it in the minutes if this is an idea you have. Sure. To include something like that. Yeah. And maybe we can pick it up and discuss it at our next meeting. Right. Sure. You know, I think maybe we could like that. But we'd be... I have a feeling we shouldn't wait too long for our next meeting to approve any kind of a memo to go to the selectmen. We could do that through email. I don't think you want to... We don't necessarily... Well, but you're not allowed to, really, against the open meetings. Well... We could do a very short meeting just for that. Yeah. 10 minutes. It'll be a half-hour meeting? Yeah. Two weeks from now? Three weeks from now? Yeah. Or a 10-minute meeting, maybe. If you... I'm traveling... Not until the end of May, but I'm gone for three weeks. Yeah. So, let's try and do it sometime in the beginning of the first week or two of April. Okay. So, when Easter Sunday, you'll be like... Well, I've got it. So, Gretchen, what time are you thinking of? I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. 30. I mean, I'll do it sometime in the next week or two. In the next week, I will get it to you. Sit down for 30. That's a long period. It's a lot. I don't do a long period. Oh, that's right. So, you'll share it with us. So, you'll all have it, and then you can come to a meeting and say, yes, no, maybe can. Yeah. So, there's a question. I try and want to make that happen. This isn't a public meeting. It's just us meeting, right? No. We can't have a just us meeting. It doesn't have to be a hearing, but it's a meeting. So, how much... Do I have to give notice, or do I have to invite Robbie to run the meeting and record? 48 hours. If you decide that it's going to be remote as well, then yes. But if you don't, just don't have a remote. Yeah. And then Robbie doesn't have to come, right? Don't have to be. Well, but maybe you'd like to. Maybe you'd like to. Maybe you'd like to. Maybe you'd like to get me over. Yes. If it might get Wednesdays, and then I'll be the one prior to trying the meeting now. Okay. Well, I have to find the room if it's being recorded and it's public. Okay. Do all the meetings have to be recorded? If it's me and all-person, and it's not like a hybrid meeting that don't record those at all. I think you just have an all-person meeting. So, the 48 hours notice and said, hey, the HPC's going to meet to talk about a parking of the hours. Well, it doesn't have to be. You have your agenda, whatever it is. Yeah. But it's not. There's no hearing. It could be very brave. And we're just talking about the parking memo. Yeah. It's 48, isn't it? 48 hours. 48. 48 hours notice. 48. 48 hours notice. You have time? Book or room? No. 48 hours. Anyway, you know. Basically, it's just on the agenda will be a memo regarding parking within the historic district area. Okay. Improved parking or whatever, or advanced or additional parking. And we will go over the memo and approve it or whatever, and then they'll go to the sub board. Okay. Yeah, correct. Yeah. I'll get, so the first or second Tuesday of April is good for everybody? Mm-hmm. That'd be good. Okay. So it's something like the first. The fifth is a Sunday. Third is a Friday. First is a Wednesday. The first is the first night of Passover. Oh, okay. No, right. First to second Tuesday. First Tuesday is a... Rather not Tuesday, because I'll be cooking. Right. Right. But whatever. Okay. Okay. What is the following one? The seventh? Seventh. April 7th. Or April 14th. April 7th. That works. I'm going to get either one. April 7th is fine. April 7th is fine. Okay, let's shoot for the 7th. Okay. All right. And just to be clear, I'm going to call the agent who has the... The listing for the... And just introduce myself as a member of the commission and make sure she's doing it. That would be good. Okay. We just had a vote for the... Close the meeting at 825. Yay. We all were... Okay. Okay. Okay. Robbie, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Robbie. Yeah.