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February 4, 2026 – Historical Commission – Video & Transcript

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February 4, 2026 - Historical Commission

 
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Call the meeting to order at 1 0 1 and time for public comment. Okay. I thought. Yeah, sure. Hang on. Is there anything you need to read? All that belongs required. Thank you. Gotcha. Thank you. Oh, thank you. It was going to take minutes. Yeah, great. She asked. Yes. But I have to leave no later than 2.30. Oh, good. If we're not done, can you pick up where she leaves off? Okay. That's great. Thank you, Rick. Let me read this first. Pursuant to Chapter 2 of the Acts of 2025, this meeting will be conducted in person and or via remote access in accordance with applicable law. If this meeting has only remote, no in-person attendance by members of the public will be permitted. If this meeting has remote access, one may watch or participate remotely with the meeting link. When required by law or allowed by the chair, persons wishing to provide public comment or otherwise participate in the meeting may do so at the meeting location. And public comment should be limited to two minutes per person. And today, we have some public comment. Yes. And I apologize because somehow I dropped Sherman's Bridge off the menu, off the menu. Yes. Off the agenda. I think, I'm assuming that's why you're here, but maybe not. Maybe there's something else. Yeah. No, I'm, I'm definitely here about the bridge. Name, name and. Alisa Carney. I'm on Sherman. Thank you. Yeah. I just, I sent you guys an email. I think it had a problem getting sent. And so may not have gotten sent till very recently, but it has a picture of, you know, that rendering of the bridge from the separate side, showing the, how basically on the walkway side, there's going to be like a 20 inch barrier. And on the other side, it's even bigger. And on the walkway side, that means basically people can't get in or out. They have to only get on the walkway at the ends of the bridge. So they won't be able to cross the bridge. They won't be able to use it the way they have before. And the other side, because it's much higher barrier and it obstructs you from getting to the railing, which is where people would flatten themselves. You know, a car was coming. I mean, we don't use it during heavy traffic, but pedestrians and cyclists use it all the time when there's not a lot of time and night and stuff like that. And so we would just get out of the way and you can't do that in this plan. And it doesn't look normal. It's not going to be functioning the way it always did. And on top of it, we've got, you know, the speed limit. There have been several speed studies in the last few years showing how fast. The mode of drivers is at almost 40 and below. And the average is like 36 miles an hour on a 25 mile an hour. And basically these designers and the people who work for the town without consulting the voters, without bringing it to town meeting, came up with this plan entirely focused on cars and trucks. And Sudbury Lincoln buses who like to use it. And not thinking about what the bridge has been used for for hundreds of years and still is used for, which is also recreation by non-vehicles. So if, and people can die from these speeds and these people, you know, these happy trucks are going up the bridge. Anyway, if you can write a letter to anybody to say, you know, you really don't, you think this project does change the use, the historical, historically used ways of the bridge, it might be helpful. Um, the other thing is we've been presented with this, like we have no choice. And, um, but it never went before the finance committee. They don't even know that project. So, um, given no choice, I'm putting a couple articles forward to protect vulnerable road users, which is the law now since 2023. And that includes cyclists, pedestrians, anyone in a wheelchair, anyone who has to use the road, which they do on Sherman Twitch road. And, um, and that would include, um, one of the articles is to, um, lower the speed to 20 miles an hour. Not that that's going to affect anything because it's 25 now and they still all go 35 or 40 or 50. Um, but, and then put a lot of signs, um, signs that there are blind turns. Um, maybe put a little walkway, uh, I'm sorry, a crosswalk just where this one woman is afraid every day, elderly woman, to cross the road to get her middle. Because all the traffic's coming really fast from Route 126 on the road. Um, things warning them that there are pedestrians and there are cyclists in the road. And that protects, um, onto the bridge. And the other one is I'm going to try and get, um, heavy commercial vehicles banned from Sherman's Bridge Road. And what that does is they can't come up the bridge because they can't get off the bridge. And they can't go to the bridge because they can't fly around the road. And that may reduce, that definitely would reduce some of the, um, wear and tear on the bridge and make it a little safer. So those two things together may allow people who, you know, we have no sidewalks, but there are children, there are elderly, um, and cyclists use it all the time and like to go over the bridge. So if anyone can support those, um, at the, uh, town meeting, they're gonna be way at the end. Um, so I don't know. Okay. So those are warrants. You're, you're closing those in the warrant. So, and I don't know if you have any questions. I mean, if you were gonna have Sherman's Bridge on the agenda, did you have any questions about what's going on? Well, I think we've been keeping up with what we've been posting on our, you know, the letters that have come in to our commission. Um, I wanted to ask you, when you're talking about a 20 mile per hour speed limit, are you proposing that for the full length of Sherman Bridge? Or, uh, confined to an area approaching the bridge from both sides? I, you know, I would actually, I wanted to kind of change that. I, I basically had said the whole, whole road initially, but if I change it, I've got to get 10 more signatures. Cause I think if they only had the 20 mile an hour at, at the beginning of the road by Concord Road and by the bridge and a couple of select areas, um, where it's particularly bad. Like, um, the hill that goes down by the, um, uh, preservation land now, nobody can get out right there. And the trucks racing up it and racing down, you know, um, I think pretty much people are gonna go whatever, you know, still gonna go faster. They, they've shown that changing the speed limit five miles isn't gonna change, um, how people drive. But with all the signs and education that, hey, I mean, I just had two town trucks. I was at my driveway truck, you know, at the end of the road, at the road edge. You know, they, they, they move maybe a foot out of the way, but you are required to go at least four feet, even for pedestrians. Everybody, they don't know this. So there needs to be education. Do you think I should try and get that change? Because the concern would be that I'd have to get more signatures. And would you all sign? If I, oh. What do the, what do your two articles say now? What are they proposing? Okay, so one of them, as it reads now is Sherman Bridge Road residents long suffered from noise and dangers of speeding vehicles on this road, especially after the wait limit signs for Sherman's Bridge in place since the 1960s were removed at Sudbury's request at Mass Dot. In 1999, same time as Route 117 closed due to partial. Oh, that's a summary. I'm sorry. I was asking for a summary, actually. Can you just sort of say what the, what's the gist? What's the gist? Yeah, the gist is, yeah, to improve the safety for vulnerable road users, per the 2023 law, on Sherman's Bridge Road and Bridge by, we can reduce the speed limit to 20, but also replace and augment signage to alert and warn drivers about vulnerable road users, wildlife, limited sight lines. You know, there's no, you have a drive, driveways that they can't see around a fan and there's no sign for that. There's even a bus stop, school bus stop, and no signs warning about it. In order to alert drivers and aim for completion concurrent with bridge repairs while maintaining residents and BRU's, one of the road users as their priority, because they have only done the bridge, you know, designed the bridge change for vehicles. But the road where we live and other people come to, to write advice and stuff, because it is a designated scenic road, as is Lincoln on the other side. And both of those roads are designated scenic roads and 0.7 miles or shorter, and only single family residents. So there are other places for those trucks to go. So the other article is basically asking for a ban of heavy commercial vehicles on Sherman Bridge Road. Now, that would not include school buses, so we'd still have some Lincoln separate buses and our buses. It would not include any trucks coming to service to people on the road, garbage trucks and stuff like that. Any government vehicles, and, you know, and even small commercial, like people who have to pick up a truck with a little trailer because they do the yard work and stuff, that they won't be excluded because there are laws to what you can exclude. And it may only be allowed for 12 hours of the day. So if that's the case, I would have them do it during the day. Even more like the residents walking. Those are the two. You may have already gone over this a different day. I can't remember. Did you look into speed bumps? We did not. We thought that would be an extra expense. And it's shown that, you know, these trucks don't care. And then they end up making more noise. Really? Yeah. And and already they make a lot of noise, which bothers the residents down at the bridge because they go fast and they're heavy. And some have repeatedly tried to turn around in someone's driveway and caused damage to her driveway and a railing multiple times and almost ran over her mother, who was in the row when they were backing. I mean, these trucks should not be on these roads. These aren't made for big trucks. It's not a highway. Yeah. There are signs next to the speed limit that will say your speed is it's an interactive. Yeah. In our base. Have you looked into the idea of that? That would be a possibility. I talked to people who had them and they in their area and say, you know, people slow down right then and they speed back up. But to slow down a little, I guess would be okay. But whatever signage, you know, I'm definitely would work with the town and say, look, we need, you know, we need ones that are going to, you know, mention the vulnerable road users. We need speed limit signs to face the other way. There's no speed limit signs facing towards the bridge on the Concord Road and they only face Concord Road. But people are speeding from the bridge as soon as they get off and they're speeding over it, which is absurd because it's 20 miles an hour in Lincoln and 25 here. The whole thing is just a mess and we're very unhappy about it. I think there are other similar signs around town and you might talk to the Whalen DPW and get some. Yeah, the state has the signs that you're allowed to use. Or maybe the police. The ones on town roads are owned by the town. Is there one at the high school? And you don't have to get them from the state? I don't think so. The state sets the speed limit. They also list this. But whether state permission is needed to put in one of those interactive radar signs, I'm not sure. I don't think so. I don't think so. No, I don't think so. Maybe the police department owns them and moves them around. There are portable and there are fixed. Yeah, there's a whole speed limit setting. But the town is allowed to do that. The town would have to check with the state in terms of banning heavy commercial vehicles. And certainly putting up signs should not, the town should be able to do that on their own. It's not expected to cost anything. Speed bumps on the other hand, that would cost money. You know, and I don't think, and it would be hard to, where are you going to put them? You know, it's just, it's such a weird road. There's no sidewalks. You can't have sidewalks in a lot of areas because the hill and the trees of the preservation land goes right down the road. And right across from that, the road, they've got this much dirt before it plunges down dramatically. So we have all these changes in landscape that, you know, there's no way to have even along just one side of the whole row of the sidewalk. I think lower down where it's flat, flattened, and they straighten the roads in 72. There are some sidewalks, but not up in the comfort road area. As a resident, more a statement. As a resident of Oxbow Road, I will happily sign anything. I'm not sure changing the speed limit will do anything, but I'm happy to sign it. So I haven't quite, I'm worried that we can't help you too much as a commission, because our mission is, you know, historical preservation. I think we need to emphasize the scenic road aspect and the fact we're talking about how the barriers is higher. That might be aesthetically, visually something we can look at. If anyone has an email. I haven't looked at the latest sketches. I don't know. The rendering makes it look a lot nicer. I mean, they're putting so many spindles in the railing that you're not even going to be able to see out it if you're driving by. I mean, which is just a shame. But also, I believe Sherman Bridge Road is, or was until they straightened it, the road that was built by Mr. Sherman, Ed Sherman, to allow traffic to cross the bridge and be able to get to town. So it is a historically significant road. And the bridge is historically significant, even if it's not old. And designated scenic roads include the bridge, whether or not it's historic. And it is not going to be scenic and it's not going to be recreational. And nobody's going to want to go there, except, you know, didn't we already. So we did write a letter. We did send a letter in November that strongly urged. We sent it to, you know, 15 different entities. So I mean, speaking for myself, I'd say if we were going to write another letter, it would need to address something specific or I don't know. We could say that we haven't already said. Right. But maybe you want us to address it in the in the warrant. You want us to say that we support these measures. I don't know how to know outside the committee. No, but you could vote and you could say a pro as a voter at the meeting. Sure. I mean, you could bring up the historical significance of Sherman Bridge Road. And that it's not just the bridge, it's also the road. And the wear and tear to it. And the wear and tear of all those vehicles. And the change, you know. And that includes the bridge. And the blacktop, if you keep on resurfacing and making it brighter and making it, it's going to change the whole feel. Right. And the designated scenic roads includes historical importance and includes any bridges, historic or not. And they're scenic because you want people to go there and enjoy the scenery. And they are not going to be able to do that on the bridge. And there's no place, even like the cyclists go on and or pedestrian, you know, illegally gets off the walkway. There's no way to jump out of the way. They can't even, you know, the cyclists right now could jump onto the, you know, this much up to the walkway and, you know, be out of vehicle way. But they can't do it once you have 20 inches of thick. I mean, many, many people, many nights, my own son, when the weather is nice, go and go to watch the sunset for sure. I mean, so northern lights have been mind blowing. I mean, we had tourists there from from Cambridge who came the last time and it was really cold. I mean, it is an amazing place and it's going to be ruined. Any other questions for Sheila? Oh, I just wanted to say that as much as we appreciate the safety and, of course, the recreation, there really isn't anything that we can do anything about. But you can help us by giving us paper copies of this so that we can put it into our files for future reference for other people. And that's most important because quite frankly, it was our archives that started the whole thing. So we would appreciate having all this information available and in the folders for future people. And again, we may individually apply what you've done. I don't know as a commission, unless you have some historic aspect. And I will say this to you, and I have repeated it to many people. Everybody believes the Concord Bridge is historical, but it has been rebuilt also. Yeah, well, the road is historic also. And by making this bridge, designing it to be solely focused on vehicles, as if it were a highway bridge, then it promotes vehicles. And it does not allow these, and it impedes the historic significance of the area. It ignores the historic significance of Sherman's Bridge Road. It embraces the historical because the bridge was made for traffic to go across it, and that's what they're focusing on. But not heavy trucks in the 21st century from towns way outside. I mean, there are roads for trucks like that. 117 is designated truck route. I understand, and I agree with you. I'm just saying from a historical point of view, the encouragement of traffic and the ease of going is what the purpose of that bridge was. And so, therefore, the added things that have happened through the years afterwards are historically important also. But I don't know that we can comment on the prohibition of any kind of traffic going across or anything like that. Well, there is the National Animal Refuge. Yes, wildlife. Which people enjoy from that bridge. Absolutely. And they can't. And it's conservation something. Conservation. Yeah. There are so many others that are affected by that that can really talk to it and address those points. Yeah. Did the Conservation Commission support the warrant? Oh, I haven't talked to them. I haven't talked to anybody about my . Has there been any thought to putting up a sign by the bridge saying that it's a historical bridge? The Indians lived around it? Something like that? The project team said they would support that. They said, how about a nice little, you know, and you guys can work it out on your own. And pay for it. Yeah. On your own. It might be a good idea. Yeah, I would like to do that. But, you know, then you just stand there and look at it. You know, I mean, you can you can get on and walk all the way across and all the way back. But you can't get out of there. You can't look at the other side. That's that's the concerning thing for me is that you can't cross it anymore as a pedestrian. That's strange. Yeah. You can you can go from one bank to the other in the pedestrian walkway. You cannot get out of that pedestrian walkway because of this barrier. And these are barriers that are, you know, there's never been accidents. But can you get from the bank then to the road? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. From. Yeah. From the. Oh, but not into. No, not. Oh, yeah, you could. But we're not. It would be too dangerous to walk there now. I mean, it would be hard to get out of the way. It'd be like 20 inches. If you were walking, say you were walking to Sudbury High School from Wayland. Could you do that now? Or you're saying that you couldn't actually. No, you can. It's a pedestrian walkway. It's a pedestrian walkway. In the post. In the post. Yes. Oh, okay. You'll be there. And it still is. We got it maintained at the side. You just can't get off of it along the bridge anymore. I see. And anyone like a cyclist. Is that for safety reasons? Why are they? Is that? They have barriers for 50 mile and rated for 50 mile an hour accidents. We've had no accidents and it's a 20, it should be a 20, 25 mile an hour bridge. Is that barrier maybe there to protect the people who are on a walkway in case a car veers and hits the barrier and prevents them from hitting the person that's in the walkway going over the bridge. And is the barrier meant? No, we never had one before. Is that also meant for the bicyclists, that area? No. So they're stuck. They stay on the road and they can't get out of it. It's nice. Yeah. I understand your point, but I do think, you know, the usage has changed. And and it's they're not they're not state highways on either side of the road, which is where heavy vehicles should be going. And I say that only to explain why we cannot as a group commission town board say anything more than what we've already said. Thank you, Sheila, for coming in today. Thank you. I'm sorry. And when you have time to look at all the things I sent you an email, mostly just hand out the stuff. Oh, and I can give you some of this. I just like to say one more thing that doesn't have to do with history. That is a great place to go to watch eclipses and things at night. Yes. Because the last time there was something my husband and I went and there was a whole congregation on the bridge all watching the sky. So probably it's very popular at night. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. These are the two articles as I stand now. And then I'll let you continue and I'll quietly. I appreciate your giving this to us. Oh, OK. OK, thank you very much for that. Minutes that Rick has passed out. We need to review and approve. I did join earlier. You just didn't know I was there. Oh, last. OK. On at the last. Yes. We couldn't see you or hear you. Could that be changed? Visibly join the meeting or. You could say. Well, not. It is still virtual, but. Right. I was recognized. Just say she joined the meeting via Zoom. Enabled. You know, virtually and leave it that not put a timeframe on it since she was there at the beginning. Yes, I couldn't vote though. Not when we couldn't see you. Yeah. OK, so that's up in the top, that new top area under members. Is that a change? How are we going to change that? Well, it's OK. I mean, you can leave it. Is that OK? Yeah, I just. The other changes in red on your copies were from Sherri Ann. I don't have a copy. Here's a copy. Amanda, you ended up calling the office to let them know that you needed to get into the meeting. Is that what happened? Wait a minute. I'm sorry. Did you call the office to let them know that you were trying to get into the meeting? That you were on. That's what I ended up doing. So I think that's how you need to word it is that the office allowed Amanda access. Well, I think she came in here and told you. Well, she did it. I didn't know. She did not. Oh, she didn't know. So I'm just trying to, you know, that you were there prior to 135, but you were admitted by the town. Yeah. Wasn't sure who to call. So it took a little bit. History at play was the note that I sent to Rick because it was just the wording needed to be. I thought we worded in the close to the end, the other upcoming 250th sponsored events. It sounded like the soldiers were the ones that were the reenactors. Instead of someone reenacting the parts of Revolutionary War soldiers, but whatever. So Rick did put in something or cemetery. Oh, I'm sorry. Soldiers portrayed by reenactors. Right. And the other correction I had was just deleting the word past under Castle Gate and Dudley Woods because her work isn't. I don't know. I just didn't like the past work because you're still working on the signs. So it was just delete that word as you continue your work with the commission on the signs. And any other directions or people need time to read? If we have no others, do we have a motion to accept as with the corrections? Make a motion that we accept minutes as corrected. Is there a second? Second by Amanda. All those in favor. And I think we need a voice vote. Aye. Since we're on. Since we're on. Yeah. Okay. Kay. Yes. And abstain. Abstain. Since you weren't here. Aye. There's an aye. Say yes. Sonia. Verbal. I don't know what you said. We need to vote out loud. We need to vote out loud. Well, I can't hear you asking. Okay. What are we supposed to be voting on? Accepting the minutes as corrected. Okay. Okay. Aye. Aye. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. All right. The Rev. 250th. Are what we are doing a review or an evaluation of the Deborah Sampson. Event at the books theater. It was wonderful. She was wonderful. She got a standing ovation. Many people were very excited to see her. In fact, the 250th committee has decided that they want her to do another performance. Yes. This time they are talking about Kristen McAuliffe because of her anniversary this year. And, but they are going back to review some of the other great plays that she's done to see if they want something different. If we were doing a revolutionary war period, she does Rachel Revere and being left in Boston while her husband is over in Watertown. And, um, Kristen McAuliffe, she just has volumes of, uh, choices. It would not probably be done at the Volks Theater again. Uh, it probably would have to be done say at the COA or a school auditorium. Yeah. But since we haven't decided on. Why is that? What? Why is that? Well, because folks was generous enough to give us this time. You don't think they'd do it again? What? You don't think they would offer it again? I don't know. It depends on their schedule. It depends on when she's available to do it. Uh, it hasn't been discussed. There is the limitation of parking at the Volks Theater. Uh, which we had lots of people to help us direct. And then it turned out that we didn't have that many people attend, which was a shame. Uh, so hopefully we will do a better job of PR in the future. So donations were given for, um, a possible sign at the Cathedral of Ballfield. And we made for over $400 on that donation. So this is a possible project in the future. If we don't do it, then I feel that we are morally obligated to give the money to someone who is willing to do that. Like the rec department. I have talked to the rec department and they are seriously considering it. Um, they sound positive. I'm wanting to do that sign, but, uh, nothing has been percolated beyond that. I'm sorry. I don't get the connection. The donations were taken at the event. At the event. It was a free event, but we had a basket out for donations and people were very generous with. Somebody gave it the wallet and it was designated. No, it just said, no. No, we didn't work it that way. He sort of said, we would like to put up the sign at the Cathedral of Ballfield. And our hope in the future is to have some kind of signage at, and, uh, somebody donated $50. Wow. Because they enjoyed the performance and because they liked the idea. Yeah. But this, we as a commissioner are allowed to make money and, uh, to accept gifts. And so that is not in the rollover funding that we have to, you know, if, uh, we don't use it, we lose it thing. This is a permanent, uh, amount of money that we have that we can use in the future. Right. And the other thing on there is the Francis Perkins upcoming performance. Um, April 10th, I have put in, uh, for the COA for that project. And you literally sign away your life, your house, your car, your blood type, everything, because the town accepts no responsibility. If somebody slips or falls or anything else. Um, but so hopefully everyone walks carefully when they go to that. Uh, I have nothing but the date right now with the performer. And this is something that I will, uh, be getting in contact with them during this month to. And she doesn't need a lot. She just needs a lectern or a table to put a bottle of water and her hat on her purse, not her hat first. And, uh, she will be talking about Francis Perkins, who was the first woman on a presidential cabinet position. And she brought us many of the programs that Roosevelt gets credit for. So it's time that we reintroduce her to the public. Is this, uh, afternoon or an evening? Evening performance in the seven. That's a Friday night. Again, it will be free. And, um, I don't know what else to say. Okay. Sounds good. What, what is the date again? April 10th. Yes. Kay and I have both seen her performance, which is why we're bringing this for everyone else to, to really learn a lot about political history. And, um, and she's, um, she was from Maine, I believe. She was born in Boston. Born in Boston. Okay. She ended up, they lived up in Maine. Right. That's right. We talking about the real, the real, the real. Right. Yes. And we put in, um, we, for all the programs that we were doing, we put in a budget for the select board to approve. It was then lumped into the 250th. But, so this is not costing us any extra money or anything else other than to, uh, get the people to do it and do the PR work on it. Okay. So any, any questions, anything else on. Frances Perkins. Okay. Thank you. Kay. We're spearheading that. Um, house plaques report. We will not have, uh, I know I didn't get any further word on that. Uh, cemetery project report. Um, Kelsey sent a couple of dates for Brad and for me to meet with her to see what our next step is in trying to reissue another RFP for the rest of the work at the cemeteries. And, uh, the dates given were coming up in February and I have not heard back which one was selected, uh, since Brad is out of town. The archeology lab. What's going on? Well, what's going on? Want to start, want to start talking about what you're doing? Well, just continuing on with all the various projects. We, um, we decided to begin, um, uh, catalog in a very small collection just to kind of mix it up and knock, knock one out that would clean up the space. Um, so, um, there's a collection from Russell's that, that Rick is working on. Um, of course we have all the Castle Hill, um, that is still being cataloged and Margaret and Rick worked for a very long time on that. And, and, and Margaret, um, and our husband, uh, put it all in the, the data, all in the system. Um, no, it's going, it, the boxes just need to be put away. But, um, and. I was going to talk about what. And Tanya and Tanya will talk about what she's working on related to Castle Hill. I am, this morning I returned to Sand Hill to the artifacts that we couldn't, um, they were previously separated and they didn't have homes. And, um, I am, I, I successfully found a home for one artifact. Uh, so that is where we stand right now. And I have been going through the box of the organics that were collected in the eighties by people who were not professionals. And many of the organic things like nutshells and other things that they found, root bark and such, were not charred. And from that several thousand years ago, if they're not charred, they're not going to be there usually. So we're having to discard a lot of those things because they're really not. They're probably deposited by animals. There are a lot of, uh, hickory nutshells that have the typical gnawing that rodents do when they're carrying them under the ground. So those, and they're not charred. So those need to be discarded. They take up a lot of room. I have a question. If the material, if the materials in the lab really belong to the state, do you have to ask permission to get rid of these things or? Not if, not if we go over them and they're not, you know, they're not charred. They're not even artifacts. No, they're not artifacts. They're just natural, naturally deposited by animals in the soil. There's another issue that stems from several years back. I don't know if you remember the young man that came and talked about his analysis of Joe Guselt's collection that came from her garden. And they had signed a transfer form promising to return the collection in one year. Well, I think at that time I was having some health problems and I wasn't around that much and wasn't terribly aware of when the deadline passed. And I've tried to call UMass Boston and, um, the young man, when he graduated, he moved immediately out to the western part of the state. Oh, no address. And the professor that was helping him was a visiting professor who is no longer there. And so the woman I talked to who's in charge of those sorts of things, storing them, she needs to have the precise directions from me. And, um, sometimes she can't find things. So I have to keep working on that to see if somebody can find those artifacts and return them to us. Now they're, they came from a specific person's garden. Joe Guselt. And they belong in the lab here, not the historical society. Yes, because she, she gave them to us. Okay. I just, I'm trying to be sure that I have a clear step. But with her permission, they were given to this student to analyze them. Right. Because they're historic artifacts. Right. And they have not been returned yet. Yeah. Okay. And he was interested in that. And the professor, that was his field. But they're gone and the artifacts are unaccounted for. And so I've got to try to find them. Does, have you contacted Joe to have these? Or do you have the list of what they are? No. With telling her, her artifacts have been lost so far. I didn't hear all that. I'm going to tell Joe. You did not tell Joe. No. That this, this happened. But you have a list of exactly what they are? What? You have a list of exactly what the items are? I don't think so. That young man was supposed to write a report and he didn't write it. He gave a very good slide presentation, but he did not write the report. So, and he was supposed to. Right. So do you have a list of each item that was given to him? You do not. And you have not contacted Joe to ask her if she has a list. I'm not going to contact her until I figure out what happened to the artifacts. I doubt that she made a list. I don't know. Joe was very detailed oriented. I would be very surprised if she did not make a list. I would be very surprised if she didn't give us a list. When was this? We don't have it. When was this? When was this? When was this? Oh, it's got to be at least four years ago. This is the first I'm hearing of this. Was this something you were doing with Margaret? What? When did you discover this? Just today? No, a couple of, about a year ago, and I've been trying to work on it. But I haven't brought it up. Well, keep working on it. Yes, I will. Track them down and get them returned. One more thing about the archaeology lab now that we have started working on some of the smaller collections. If we're going to keep the small collections in their own boxes, we should consider purchasing some smaller cartons. The cartons that we have now are very big, gray, acid-free cartons. So we might need some smaller-sized cartons if we're going to keep the small collections together. Now is the time to purchase. I mean, we could. Or we could just combine. The collection could be... We could combine them in bigger boxes. The numbers will designate that they're a different collection, but they can be in the same box. Do you want archival boxes to put in that then would be placed into a larger box? If you all think that's a wise use for money, and if it's clearer for people, then sure, we can do it. It's not a necessity, in my opinion, but... Well, at the moment, do we have anything else that we're going to spend the budget on? What's left in the budget? Do we... Have we spent anything? New pens. I just haven't seen them. Yeah. We might check on bags, whether we need more stock bags. We've been using a lot of small bags. Yeah, we could probably need to do an inventory of art. Well, I would suggest you do it sooner rather than later, because we have to spend the money by June. And it takes time to get orders in and out. And so... Yeah, I'll take a look. I would suggest that maybe that be moved up in priority. To figure out what you need, let us purchase it while we have the money. I would prefer to see a separate box. And certainly, you could take smaller separate boxes and then put them into a larger container for safe, face saving if you wanted to. It might be confusing, though, on the outside of the box, there's multiple numbers and you might forget what... I think it's just very clear to see if they're all displayed. But... But some of the shelves and nooks and crannies, it might... It is useful sometimes to have a smaller box. I was going to ask if the larger box takes a lot more space. More space than the individuals. Well, I think that's because if it's an individual and there's... You put space above it or... There are some narrow cubbyhole kind of spaces. So, yeah. Well, we're running out of space for boxes anyway. Especially that cabinet. The cabinet doesn't allow for bigger boxes. You know better than we do. And so this is why we're putting it back to you. Yeah. To decide what's appropriate and consider it. I had put it out of my mind because I had thought... It's better just to be uniform and have every... Initially and have everything in the same box. And just have one number line. You know, one through 300, 400, 500, whatever it is. And not... But we could. We could have different sizes. And we haven't even done anything in the attic. Which is... Hopefully... We have to make an appointment. But hopefully you'll be able... Now that you've turned a corner about... How you feel about some of this material. Maybe we can get rid of some of the material. That's what we're working on now. So we need you in the lab to give us a list of... What's... What you want. How many. How many small boxes. How many bigger boxes. What sizes they are. So it makes it easy for us to order. Because you know the lab. And the rest of us don't know it as well. Right. So that's your assignment. Well, Amanda here doesn't recharge of storing things like that. Okay. Okay. And since we have two helpers now. Sandy. Sandy's been coming. Sandy Coy. She's great. Yeah. Super. And Margaret. Sandy Coy has joined as a tax write-off person. Sandy Coy has joined you as a tax write-off. Yes. Employee. Right. What's going through? Sandy. Sandy Coy. Sandy. Sandy. Yeah. She's wonderful. She's very happy to be doing... Yes. She told me this morning. She's very excited about it. Now, Margaret's great too. Her excitement. She hasn't been in today. Right. Medical. Things going on. But she continues to do work at home as well. Right. She... Yes. I think right now... I think right now she's caught up or... I... I haven't spoken with her recently, but... Are you talking about Margaret? Yes. Margaret had to take her husband... Well, I wanted to say... I'm just cutting it off because that's personal and we're on Zoom. But Margaret has asked that anytime anybody brings something to the lab for her or to the office for her to file or put away, that you leave your name with the items, that you date the date that you leave it. So if she has any questions, she can then contact you and find out. Bringing a box and just dumping it in the office and saying, here you go, is inefficient and unhelpful. So she has requested that we identify ourselves, put the date on it, and maybe contact information if necessary. And we're also looking for the graffiti artist, the graffiti on the table. Well, usually when I go in there with her, I... If I have anything to bring, but mostly I'm identifying things for her that... From the 70s and 80s and things like that. Is it... The table was marked up? I... I would have said it had been there for decades, but Tanya says it's new graffiti. I said what? The stick figure person, you say it's new graffiti. Yeah, that was funny. Somebody drew something in like chalk on the table by the computer. I never saw it before. Oh, well. That's a mystery. We've got a mystery. Yes. Okay. Well, let's move on then to railroad and rail trail. I have passed out, sent out email, the latest rail trail signs. And Tanya, I think you already have one. Yeah, I have one. If you want to pass these around. Thank you. This is what I'm calling version eight from January 28th. And this incorporates a few changes. Kay, you made some suggestions. I did. I did. And I incorporated it. Ann, you made some suggestions on the earlier version. Earlier version, yeah. And so I think we're getting close to the final version. Well, DCR has had it for a week, according to Tom Fay. Okay. One of the photographs. So if anyone has, Tanya had asked about the Mill Pond. Did you want to say anything about Mill Pond? Yes. Grout's Pond? Have you ever heard of it being called Grout Pond? I have. And that was one of my changes. Because it's on the map as Grout Pond. It is in the assessor's records as Grout Pond. And that's why it's in there. But you'll notice that the photographs are identified as Mill Pond, because that's what it was called when those photographs were taken. Okay. But it was originally Grout Pond? I have found references to it being called Grout Pond, because he was the miller at the time. I'd never heard that. I don't think Tom has either. Well, it's in the assessor's records. In the printed one that goes out to everybody's household in whatever year it was. And also on maps, town maps, it's called Grout Pond. Okay. That might be explained better. It might be, but we don't have any more text room. And we don't have any more time to change it. So it's only in that one location that identifies it as such. And then the rest of it is called Mill Pond. So people are familiar with it. All I think would be needed is now called Mill Pond after Grout Pond. I think that's going to confuse people. It says right up here where it is. Well, the Adams Park confused me when I first called it Adams Park. Yes. Because we don't call it Adams Park in town. So that was new when that first went on there. And Amanda, you had a suggestion as well. You want to share that? Well, I suggested it. And Bonnie made me aware that they knew about it. And they, I suggested that Francis Whelan not, it wasn't necessary to have him appearing twice to sign. I didn't make a suggestion for what I thought could replace him. I had some ideas in my head. But I didn't, I didn't feel it was my place. They've worked very hard on this. But she said they knew that he was appearing at the signs are quite far apart from each other. And they wanted to, they thought it was illogical. You know, but this is an opportunity that signs are written for John Q. Public. We're John Q. Public. I think anybody can make a comment they want. And so I'm glad that you took the step and said it. I just thought it was an opportunity to introduce another image or a piece of information. So I, but they were aware. And I agree with you. I thought that it gave an opportunity for a different image. I didn't think he needed to appear on the library one as much as the beginning one because the town is named for him. Giving them the money for the library is interesting, but I don't know if they deserve a picture for it. But apparently they did so. Okay. Yeah. The same sign, right on Mill Pond, Adams Park. The railroad photograph that was used was this photo, which was a brilliant color photo. Oh, I love that photo. Taken in the fall. And apparently Bonnie and the graphic designer here, I had commented on this. Several times. And Carol Holtz, her comment on January 6th was to see, to support a cohesive look and feel shared by all the signs. My preference is the current duotone treatment using two of the DCR colors instead of a four color version of the image. I feel this treatment is more in keeping with the general design. There are only a couple small full color photos throughout the full series of 10 signs. So I'll pass this around. I've given up on pursuing this any further. I don't want to get into a design argument, but I feel we're losing a lot by not using the full photo. It's ironic, the choice of the sunrise on the rail trail being one of those that they use. And Raytheon. The Raytheon one jumps out at me. It is so bright. Me too. And I just thought, oh, could they scale that color back? But interesting. But I mean, I do think her argument is sound. It's just an interesting choice where she has used the color. Well, I did support Rick a couple of times. And finally, I gave up Rick. I figured it wasn't going to happen. And I will say that against the olive green, to me, it kind of loses the image. Kind of blends into the background. Yeah, exactly. But again, there's a point where we have to give in, I think. Well, Kay made a good comment that was incorporated on the Weyland Depot. The artist's drawing on the upper right corner, next to the Weyland sign, is now much more visible. For it was likewise. Oh, nice, didn't it? Yeah. Yeah. That one looks very nice. In fact, that whole sign looks very sharp. And did you notice she changed large town? Yes, to a growing town. Growing town. I sent her census records showing that we were, there were only eight smaller towns than Weyland. And at, in 1880. And by 18, or 1870, by 1880, there were 21 smaller towns. So obviously we were growing faster than other towns. And, but we still were not large in comparison. Out of 351 towns, we were number 22 in, in small size. So I think, and appreciate the fact that she changed it to growing. Because I know that was something you were really concerned about for a long time. Yeah. Well, we still have a thriving industry in 1870. Which was more on the constituent side of town than the Weyland side. It's true. But it was still part of the town. Okay. Was the fatal freight wreck really in Weyland? Yes. It was right next to the freight house. Right into the freight house, in fact. It actually knocked the freight house off its foundation. And you can see the picture to the right of the newspaper article. Yeah. That is the freight house. In the same location? In the same location, yes. You can see the roof. And you can see the roof of a freight car. And a bunch of people standing around. The building in the background is the freight house. Was the freight house. Okay. Well, a lot of hours of work by a lot of people. Many people have gone into this. And I think, all in all, we're going to be pleased with the final results. When the signs, hopefully when the signs get up. But, I mean, thanks to a great many people for contributing to this. You know, everybody here has had a word in it somehow. And worked with the planning and script and pictures and everything. So, great. Looks like final results really going to be good. And we'll be very representative of our town. And that's what we were hoping to accomplish. And as close to accurate as we could get it. And that's important too. So, thanks to you here who were part of that effort. I met with Mike Fea and gave him the colors of the freight house. So, he has that information now. Okay. And then the only other thing that I could mention on the rail trail and railroad is that we might consider doing another brush clearing in the first weekend in May. I just looked at our website and it mentions last year's brush clearing. Help us in 2005 with our brush clearing. So, maybe we could change that to first weekend in May. And then we wouldn't have to change it every year. That would be on our little poster. Are you available to do a poster like you've done in the past? Sure. Just make that change. That would be great. I think I looked at my calendar and the May 2nd and 3rd, Saturday and Sunday. So, if the town website was just changed to first weekend in May, as it has been for a number of years, then we wouldn't need to keep revising the date. Great. Thank you. That would be great. Okay. That's it. Oh, I want to tell you that the Historical Society is doing a house tour on Sunday the 3rd. And you may want to check and see if there are other 250th projects going on and events. So, just saying because it's Mother's Day after that and something else I think is going on the 17th. And then we have, well this says the 25th is Memorial Day, which leaves the 31st of them, but that's at the end of the month. I don't know if you want to consider the end of April, but you might want to look at the calendars before you decide on a date. What time on Sunday is the house tour? The house tours, I think they're going to be 2 to 4. Also, I think we need to write up something that goes into Michael McCall's newsletter in advance announcing that and inviting the public to come and help whatever day that you decide on. And we can ask if the Historical Society will help do PR on it and participate because they have done so in the past and they might do it again. Probably write up a little piece for the Weyland Post too. And now that we have a newspaper. Yeah. Okay. How many years have you been doing this Rick? We started when Paul Gardescu was chair in 2002, I believe. Wow. So every year, except for three years during COVID. You actually mentioned that too, how long it's been going on. Years worth of work. Okay. All right. Then let's move on to signage because it needs to leave pretty soon. It's true. I don't have anything really to report except I want to say thank you probably to Kay who's been so incredibly patient patient with our collecting of images for these, this series of three signs. The one at Castlegate, two at Dudley Woods. Just some of that has been my fault. The technology was, I didn't understand. She gave me access to 11 photos individually. So 11 notices that I had access to these photos in the Google Drive. And what I didn't, so I filed those away for when I needed them. What I didn't know is that the access expires. So by the time I, I didn't know that either, needed them, I couldn't get to them. So then I had to bug her and say, I need, I need them again. Anyway, we are in a position where Carol is gathering. I am giving her the photos that she needs. And now that she's pretty much wrapped up the rail trail signs, she is paying attention to these three. She knows that we want to get them done relatively quickly because they're part of this project. So they'll be manufactured with these rail trail signs. So I don't want to hold the rail trail project up at all. So she, we have some good high resolution photos for the Castlegate sign. And we have a number for the Dudley Woods sign, but not quite enough yet. So the Dudley Woods signs, there will be two signs. One focuses on the history of the area. And so we'll have a photo of the old ice house. And some of the old photos of the camps around the pond. And the other sign is more about the natural environment of the woods and the pond. So that will have more of a nature focus. And I'm talking with Brian Harris in conservation who has taken so many beautiful photos in Wayland of wildlife and flora and fauna. So he has some photos that he would be pleased for us to use. And I think that they would work well on those signs. So I'm in the process of getting those from him at a high enough resolution for Carol to use. So that's kind of where we stand once she has the photos. She already has the copy that we all reviewed so many times. She should be able to put the three signs together pretty quickly. Did Minnesota approval come? Yes, we got that lovely picture of Evangeline from the Minnesota Historical Society. So we're all set there. We got the senior Simpson photo from Framingham Historical Center. Right. So our History Center so that we have that as well. And the image of the Mansion Inn was already at 600, I believe. I think it was. Yeah. So that's pretty much set. I want to ask about the colors, because these are DCR colors, and they're very muted. And although I do like the light, the white images against a background color. But I'm just wondering, since they're DCR regulated, it's certainly not what we had originally intended for these signs. If maybe we could do kind of different colors, the layout and so forth would be the same. I think it would be similar, yeah. And I don't know how other people feel about that. I'm sort of agnostic on that. I'd have to see what, you know, what the alternatives were. Oh, yeah. But I can certainly ask. We could ask her. Yeah. Because, you know, olive green and the beige-y brown, it's just not eye-catching. She might, you know, she might want to consider some other shades and values of colors in nature for the Dudley Woods. Yeah. But, yes, since these are not even close to being located at the rail trail, I think she could vary, and she could go a different direction color-wise for us. And I think that it was very helpful that Bonnie shared text right from the beginning for input and so forth on that. And so maybe, so it's a not last minute kind of thing. Maybe we should review the text. Well, I mean, we did review it like nine times. What? We reviewed it many, many times in these meetings. So what we have has been. Well, maybe I need a reminder. Yes. So, but as soon as I get anything, you know, that is ready to look at, everybody will get a copy, and that's when we can start. And if you, I think, to be on the safe side, if you ask Carol to send it to HC members, because we as members cannot share things in advance against open meeting laws. But as an outsider sending attention to all the members can do that. Okay. Okay. And another couple of things on the logistics of this. I've reached out to Catherine Brenna in recreation to talk about, you know, when the snow clears, we need to figure out exactly where these two signs will go in Dudley Woods. So I'm just alerting her to, you know, the fact that we'll, we'll need to collaborate on that with them. And I've reached out to Bonnie on the contractor for installation. I don't know if the contractor has been chosen yet for the rail trail, but that contract will include these three signs. I don't know whether the, it's been made clear that there are three signs at a different location, at different, two different locations. So. Well, when I met with Mike Fea about the colors of the freight house, I asked him, and my understanding is that the contractor has been selected. Okay. That's what I heard. Mike said that the contractor did not know that three signs were not going along the rail trail. Right. So I told him to contact Bonnie Gosses. Great. I don't know whether he did. Maybe I should have told him to contact you too, but. That's all right. And I've also contacted Joe Doucette at DPW, just to give him a heads up. I don't know if they're involved in any way in installation. They were involved in the walk that we had last summer on a very hot day with DCR, two people from DCR. And Joe Doucette accompanied us for part of the talk and brought a white spray can along to mark an X where the signs would be. Of course, those markings are long gone. Right. But we did take pictures of the locations. Okay. So yes, DPW will be involved, whether it will be Mike Fea or DPW to oversee the contractor. It's Mike Fea because I talked to Mike. He's in charge. He wants to have all the signs before the spring, before the cement goes in. So that as soon as the base has been laid, he can go right in with the signs and put them on. And according to Mike, DPW is not involved at this point. It is all going through Mike. So that's the person you need to talk to. Okay, great. Absolutely. Because I'm working with him on a sign for Stone's Bridge. And so that's how we got into the conversation. I spoke a couple months ago with someone who lives in the area of the Dudley Woods Walk. And we were commenting about the picture that I had seen of the end of the walk where there's only maybe one parking space on somebody. And he says, yeah, that's probably in somebody's yard, technically. He said there is a paved park. There is a parking lot, he says, which is paved that people should be using to access the walk. And maybe that's a thought that one of the signs should be at that location to encourage people to park. But they have a kiosk. But they have a kiosk there. Well, see, I haven't seen it. But he was just remarking about the parking problem still on the little street that doesn't. It is. It's a dirt road. Right. Well, there's two ends of the trail. And people maybe try to park at the end that doesn't have a little parking lot. It sounds like what's been happening. I don't know how to prevent that. But where the kiosk is, there is a parking spot designated. Right. Two, three. Right. It's very minimal. And they have a kiosk there. So I would think that we would not want to put our sign there. My suggestion would be at the Rocky Point end of it. It's somewhere in the middle because how nice to be walking the trail and suddenly come upon the signs. Yeah. Especially the native animals and fauna and so forth. Right. Right. I agree. Yeah. So that's that's the report on there. And as soon as I have something, you know, as soon as Carol gets gets a draft for review, I'll ask you to send it to everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Next one up is what's happening with the signage at Stones Bridge, which is not our project per se, but facilities, facilities department. And she's the first desk as you walk in on your right. I've sent her photographs. I've sent her a timeline on the Stones Bridge because there's so much information that could be given that a paragraph style would be too long for people to beat and to not maybe as interesting. But what we did is we set up a timeline in this year. The bridge was built. It was a toll bridge this year. This was to happen. So on and so forth. Thoreau, of course, went down to that bridge as well as Sherman Bridge. And so it's shorter, it's easier to read and then placing pictures around it. They, too, are going to be using Carol to do the design. And as far as I know, that's that's where we see it. So they'll try to stay. They'll try to make it look similar. Well, by using Carol, it will be the same kind of design mode. And again, they're not necessarily going to follow the colors of the DCR because they agreed it's very muted and very dull and they want something a little bit more eye catching. Mike Lowry has reached out and said he would like to have the unveiling of the sign with a big party and all the town invited and so forth. They're even like the commission to get on board with that. And I said, Well, I have several concerns. That's a very narrow road. If you're parking one car along the side of the road next to people's property, and then people have to get out and walk that road. I think the town should be concerned about the safety of the pedestrians. A policeman maybe needs to be there to alert people turning into that road about how crowded it is and to be careful of pedestrians or something like that. And that was just my suggestions on it. I think Mike, it's going to follow up with Michael McCall and maybe my fair. I don't I'm not sure, but he also got a couple other people on board that think that that's the place everybody should be. Just safety is my my concern. There really isn't much parking space there. Instead, we could have a party elsewhere and have a map to all the signs that have been recently celebration of all the new signs. So that's another article for the folks. Good idea. Great place to put the map. Absolutely. The yeah. I'm afraid I need to go. I need to go. I can't. I have to. We almost made it to the end of the agenda. We're close. Rick, are you going to finish up?
I'll go forward and I'll incorporate it into mine. So they're all one document. Thank you. Thank you so much. Oh, thanks, Sam. Yeah. Yeah. Nice to see you all. Glad you're back. Yes. Let me get another. Glad you haven't left. Yeah. You may be finishing out your question anyway, right? So June, if this signage keeps going. Oh, I don't know. Well, I hope it's done before then. Don't you? No, not if it means you're leaving. All right. Thank you all. Okay. See you next time. Take care. Yeah. Bye, Ann. Okay. So if we're finished then with the Stonesbridge sign, we'll move on to the new, your comments on the new little brochure that came out from the town. It was in your tax letter. No, I'm sorry. It was in the census when you got this letter. Okay. I didn't get a census letter, guys. You did? What? She didn't get a census letter. No. Have they all gone out? You had to stop at the town clerk's office on your way out. They didn't have your new address. That's weird. But they should have sent it to the address of the house she lives in. The occupant. The occupant. Right. Okay. Okay. So, so you didn't, you all didn't see it. Did that come in the mail? Yes. That was in the mail. Did you get your census? I don't, I, I remember seeing it. She may not. I don't remember how it came. Ah. And I haven't read it. It's a very nice brochure. Very colorful. Has a lot of detail about town-oriented, town-sponsored events. And town activities, town boards. But, you know, there's nothing to mention about historical stuff, is it? That's right. Was there a big push for the shopping center? Nope. There was no push for the shopping center. Nope. But there was no mention of anything related to history. Even the word historical. And there's just a very small paragraph. I went back and read it again and thought about all of our conservation land and hiking trails and walking paths. And I was disappointed that there wasn't. Who put it together? It was put together by Trudy Reed, our town clerk, and Doug Levine, the co-chairman of the Select Board. And there's definitely room for it because there's some, I am not a very talented person with, I used to work in Word and I've tried to convert to Google Docs because that's what all the kids use. Yeah. So I have problems with the margins and the, and the, and I can see that they've made, but there are two or there's three, one, two, three gaps. Where there was some editing going on. And these are not all where they, they had some bulleted items that they've removed and re and they didn't re. Figure. Realign. Realign. Realign them in a clean way. So there was definitely room to add something. At least one, if not two, more things. So that is an interesting fact. Well, I think that we should, and I was stopped by the town clerk and asked why the brochure was on the agenda. And I explained to her the lack of history, which is so important to this town, that we have a state approved commission or board to work on the history of the town. And then we've been working and we've been doing a lot of outreach lately. We have one of two mandated arch repositories, right? Archaeology repositories toys. I mean, in the state, right? Is that, are there only two repositories in the state? How many repositories are there? For the lab. Archaeological ones. Archaeological ones. Yeah. Archaeological ones. Or maybe we're the only town. There are other places. But the only town repository. Right? There's universities that are repositories. Boston, I think. Boston and Wayland, I think, are the only two towns. Like, I'm trying to think. Anyway, I think that's significant. Well, Middleborough. Middleborough is a repository. Because some collections that I've just heard about were moved there. Is Acton, does Pinehock have things? I don't think Acton has artifacts. The Pinehock group? Uh-huh. And then there's that one group, the Nipmoke Museum. I don't know. But I think that's a private museum. Yeah. The Nipmoke Museum. Is it Nipmoke Museum? Down. Ah. Down. In any case, there's a hand. That's not a master. I don't think that's a master. Yes. It's in Connecticut. No. It's down that one highway. It's before... Where's that? Antique Village. Are you talking about the museum that she... It's closed right now for renovations. I think it's closed right now for renovations. I think it's closed. The Robins Museum. No, not the Robins. Not the Robins. Not the Robins. This is... Anyway, the bottom line is, there's a handful. It's a handful in the state. Yes. And we are one. Yes. Well, this covers a lot of athletic and type of things. I think they did a good job with part of the town of Weyland. But I think for anybody who comes to town, if this is going to be out for them to see what our town looks like, that there are some missing features in here. People interested in history? Yeah. Are not going to think that we have anything going on? Right. And I think... And my first thought was, even to say, houses of worship. We've got an enough... You know, we've got eight or so, nine or so, and... Oh, that's another thing. We have more diversity in houses of worship than... I mean, the fact that... We've got a mosque and two temples. Yeah. And... Well, they may not have included religion because they're separating religion and states. I'm not sure. But that's why I wasn't thinking of listing what they were. No, no. I know. But they did do diversity. They did do the diversity. Right. But it just seems to me that in a year where we're celebrating so much history, how could they forget history? And even though this will go beyond this particular year or be redesigned, history needs to be in it in the beginning or they'll forget it for the next one and the next one and the next one. When there aren't celebrating milestones that are national milestones. What do we do? Huh? What can we do? I think we should write a letter to the town manager, even though he is not the one who wrote it. I'm sure he's the one that had to give approval to print it off or whatever. To the town manager and to the chair people of the select board, because they too had to approve it, that they are missing a big component of Wayland that is very important. Don't we have the oldest library? We have the oldest library in town, but they have a picture of the library. They have the library. But that's history, right? It is history. And we have the oldest projectile point, right? Isn't the mansion in projectile point? It's not a projectile point, is it? No, no, no. It's not in there. But these are things that make Wayland unique, that they should know and celebrate. They've already dismantled our display from the front hall. Well, now that brings me to another topic. And that seal is totally inaccurate, which is why, truth be told, I really appreciate that they mention this. I mean, kudos to them. And I thank them. They mentioned archaeologists. And I really appreciate that. Yeah, but I wasn't involved in it. And who's the other one with you? I do. Well, she's just being, in any case, I wish they had borrowed, taken a line drawing from the police department, because the police department had beautiful line drawings, to really see what's on the badge. I think that would have been a nice thing. But anyway, if you could have seen the original picture of the badge, it's beautiful. And Greg Dale took it. It's just so detailed. Oh, it's gorgeous. It is gorgeous. It is gorgeous. It is gorgeous. But all I'm saying is, and I am so thankful for the content that they put, the wording they put there, and the recognition. But I wish I could see that native person. That's all. And so I was thinking, it would have been a great opportunity. But I get it. I get it. I mean, that seal, it's fine. I mean, it's there, right? At least it's there. That seal outside makes me sick. Oh, yes. It's so what I propose is that we write to the H.R.D.E.I.C. that perhaps they should try and change the seal. Oh, you should. They should try to what? Create a new seal that's more accurate and inclusive. I mean, and they could have just used the seal that the police department spent so much time and money on, and they could have reproduced that. Right. We don't have one up here. No, but they have it in the front hall, an inaccurate seal based on it. And it isn't like that's a new idea. It has been bounced around for years that we need a different seal. That this is so inaccurate and offensive that we need a new seal. So it isn't a new idea. But I think that, you know, I think that the Historical Commission and the H.R.D.E.I.C. can work together on creating a new seal. And they have reached out and asked to work with us on Native American items, and they seem to have moved on to something else. I asked them for help on finding a new home for our display, and they just more or less said, we don't know who to ask. The police department, I have not gone back to them since the resignation of our police chief, because I don't know how. I don't know the new police chief well enough. Where does it be in store right now? Supposedly it's still under the stairs. It is. All the way out. It is. It's hidden. They put the flag box in front of it to hide it. Right. But it's still there. It's there. So until they, you know, but time is ticking. Well, when will the point be to say, we really just need to get rid of it? So we need to be working on it. I want to try the Sudbury historical commission again. The young man's wife just had their first baby. And when I tried to talk to him about it, and I never could talk to him about it. Are you talking about Francisco? Francisco. Yeah. Okay. And he's the director now. Right. So I want to try him again. Well, I'd like to keep it in Wayland to begin with. Yeah. And so. But Mike Bayer told me nobody wanted it. Well, Pat has apparently tried to talk to people. So hopefully, and he has not. But I want to go back to the police department. Give me time to go back to the police department first to see if they will house it there. And we'll see what we, what kind of response I got. I got a hopeful response from the prior police chief. We'll see if I get the same kind of response. Well, if you want somebody to go with you, I'd go with you. Okay. I'll keep that in mind, Tanya. So anyway, that's, that was, so getting back to the brochure. Yeah. I think that we need to write a reminder letter to keep history alive. Right. To keep history alive. So do we need a motion on that? I, I, I make a motion. Suggestions. Go ahead. Well, I was going to say, I make a motion that we, um, send to commission. That's a commission. Right. The commission, write a letter reminding, uh, the town. Officials. That history is an important part and should be included in any future brochures. I second that motion. Okay. Any other discussion on that motion? I didn't hear you. I was going to say, what did you say? Can you tell her what I said? Okay. Is, is making a motion that we send a letter to the town stating that all future brochures include a bulleted item of the importance of history in the town. And that it should always be mentioned. Yeah. Um, and I, and I actually would like to add to that, that, um, we should bullet. Some examples of the things that are significant and important and unique about the history of this town and that are embraced and that are, um, so anyway. Yeah. Well, we can spend our thousand dollars creating our own brochure if we want to. Well, we could spend half of it if we wanted to, but where are we gonna, are we gonna send that out? Or what are we gonna do? We can ask that it be included in a mailing, town mailing, just like this was. We, cause we're part of the town government. Uh, we can ask that the table out there that has brochures on it from other town departments. Cause we don't have a department head to go to. We go directly to Michael McCall. He is the person that, um, it isn't like we have a Catherine Brennan to run to the town manager for, on our behalf. We have to do our own money to, to ask for these things. But I think the first start is to get the letter going. And then we maybe we talk, we really revisit that. And then that could be our project for the coming year is to do a nice brochure. Because look at how, um, excited people were about our table at the Wayland Festival. And maybe that's our goal to have it ready by the next Wayland Festival. Cause I think we're going to be asked back again. Certainly the railroad and the archeology were a huge hit. And people were really excited to learn more. And I think this is something that we can expand on. Instead of just saying, oh, well, we did a good job. Well, let's continue to do a good job. So Kate made a motion to send a letter to Mike McCall. And the select board. And the select board. And the select board. And I'm seconding that motion. So we're going to go around in both. Okay. So let's vote. Amanda? Aye. Aye. Chris? Aye. Kay? Aye. Carrie Ann? Aye. Thank you. Motion carried. Okay. Well, we're down to matters not anticipated. Anything else? Let me see. Think about that. Well, I guess that kind of brings up the brochure idea of creating our own brochure that we should start making a list of the things that make Wayland unique and special that are historical and that we start putting it together because that thousand dollars or even 500 will not cover somebody like Carol Holtz to do a design. That's right. A brochure design for us. Do you know somebody who's really good at making brochures? I don't know. I have dabbled in brochures, but it's been a long time. They have these new tools. But I'm not so worried about who can do it. No, I think we might be able to do our own. We might. And we might have. I have this trial membership right now. And it's not good with technology. On Canva? Is that what you're talking about? Yes. Oh, gosh. You're going to have to give me a lesson. All right. Well, no, I'm still learning myself. How do you save it? Save the project and save it automatically. How do you print it? Well, you want to be sure to print it. I can tell you how to print it because you don't want them to print it. They're too expensive. What's it called? Canva? Canva. C-A-N-V-A. C-A-N-V-A. C-A-N-V-A. Oh, gosh. It's making me crazy. But anyway, whatever. Anyway, yes. We might be able to find family consultants who could tell us what we're doing good or wrong. You have a child in the market. The graphic design. C-A-N-V-A. C-A-N-V-A. C-A-N-V-A. C-A-N-V-A. C-A-N-V-A. The Tower Hill box. I see. Oh, that's cool. Yes. That's why I keep looking at her. But anyway. So, homework then for the next meeting. Yes. Is to come up with a list of these. Your favorite, your top favorite. Are these spots? You know, I'm not going to. I don't think we should limit it. You should just come with your list. Brainstorm a list. Okay. Did you hear all that, Tanya? A list of what? There's a homework that you have to do before the next meeting. Okay. Tell me. A list of unique things to Wayland, such as the mansion projectile point. Or the fact that we have a, what did you call it? Repository here. That other towns did not have. Just make a list of all the things that make Wayland unique. Okay. Okay. That we could put in a brochure. Historical things. Historical things. Right. Did you hear that, Tanya? Yes. Yes. Historical. I heard that. That's right. So this should be a committee project, I think. Yeah. And not just ask Ann to do it, because she's got her place called. Oh, she's retiring, so. Right. But she's working on the sign. She's got her hands full with that. So this is something that we need to work on. Right. Start working on this. That's a good idea. Okay. Anything else? To cover? Before? Nope. Can I make a move? You may move to adjourn. Move to adjourn. I make a move to adjourn. So moved. Just second it. Second. Just second it. Can you second it, Tanya? Amanda moved. Amanda moved. We adjourned. Tanya seconded. Tanya seconded. This is like an auction. Do I have a second? Tanya seconded. This is like an auction. Do I have a second? Okay. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. We have to work.