January 7, 2026 – Planning Board – Video & Transcript
January 7, 2026 - Planning Board
I'm sorry for the delay. We had technical difficulties. It's now 746 on January the 7th,
2026. January the 7th, 2026. 646. Sorry, thank you. This is the meaning of the Wayland Planning
Board, and we're meeting in the Wayland Council on Aging Community Center Activity Room. The
agenda for this evening is called to order, which I will do right now. I'm calling the
meeting to order. All of our members are here in attendance. The next item is a request
for number PB2503, Continued Public Hearing, with the, for 3745 Waltham Road, the Carroll
School Site Plan Approval, then Public Comment, then PB2303, 8 Andrew Avenue Council on Aging
Community Center, request for an amendment to the 8923 Phase 1 Site Plan Decision,
then Continued Planning for the Route 20 Corridor Planned Redevelopment Zoning, then at 815,
a public hearing on proposed amendments to the Zoning Bylaw Chapter 198 of the Code of the Town of Wayland,
and we will be discussing and taking public comment on the Town Flood Plane District and Federal Flood
Plane Protection Overlay District Amendments, MVTA Communities Multifamily Housing Overlay District
Amendment to one of the sub-districts, accessory dwelling units, some housekeeping items that need to be
addressed in our existing bylaw, and then the ground-mounted solar ultra-voltaic installations,
possible bylaw change, then review and approve draft minutes of 1210.25 and 1217.25,
and updates from the Town Planner, and then matters not reasonably anticipated by the Chair.
So I'd like to move on to PB2503, Request for Continued Public Hearing, with the Carroll School of Site Plan Approved. Do you want to speak, or do you want us to just take it over? You can take it over. Okay. Okay. We received a request from the applicant's attorney for a continuance of the public hearing until January 28, 2026. And the Conservation Commission, I believe, has already granted that, and we're having a joint meeting with them, and they've scheduled it for 6.30, so if it's okay with the board, I'd like to schedule it for 6.30 as well. It's fine with me. Okay. Is there, um, we also have received, um, an extension of time for the decision until February the 27th. Okay. And we were supposed to meet about the trees that night, but we're not. It was the 28th. The 28th. We were supposed to, but now it's moved. Right. So we were already scheduled for 6.30. Larry's looking confused. Yeah. We were already scheduled for 6.30 on the 28th to do the trees. Oh, it's 6.30. Yeah. So now we're going to do 6.30, but do concom for the Carroll's. Trees, concom. We're going to do all the trees. Or are we? We're doing them later. Yeah. So can I, if it's okay, can I have a motion to continue the public hearing until January 28, 2026 at 6.30? So moved. Seconded. All in favor? Unanimous. Okay. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry. How's it? Okay. I'm happy to be here just in case. Take care. I've seen it in a few weeks. Okay. Is there any public comment this evening?
Is there anyone online, Robert? No. Okay. Okay. Moving on to the next matter, PB 2303, 8 Andrew Avenue, Council on Aging, Community Center Amendment 28923, Phase One Site Plan Decision. Robert, why don't you tell us where we are on that? Um, for the, for the site plan, for the, for the, for the Andrew now, right? I wanted to do the Council on Aging Request. Yep. So, um, so last year, there's two amendments. One amendment was on May 13th, and that amendment was to allow for more time for the, uh, screening and as well plan. And, and, and in lieu, have a temporary seal that would run out by November. In November, the time, the, the, the, the Council on Aging staff didn't have enough time to pull it off. So they asked for extension in October until January 8th, which is tomorrow. And at this point, they are not ready yet. And so they have asked for extension until March 6th, March 6th. And that is what came from the public building director, director of public building. So this is to, uh, put the screening around the, um, electrical panel that they installed without permission. And, uh, to finish the as-built plans. Um, and, um, the, the question I have, Robert, um, they asked for the extension until March the 6th. Will you have been able to review everything in that timeframe? Will they be able to make that deadline? I'm not having some confidence in that. Um, I don't really want to personally extend it beyond again. I only want this to be the last, because each time we ask for it to be, um, filed in the registry of deeds, which is a cost. I don't remember the November thing. I didn't remember an extension in October. Hi. Sorry. I got the house. I'm sorry. Trying to, trying to do the same thing. There was two extensions last year. The second one was because of time. He just ran out of time. And then you need an extension beyond for the eight months. And then we kicked it to, to January, which was 11 months. Your question was, do you think enough, do you think March is enough time? I don't think so. I, I don't want, I do not want to get to February or like late February, which is next month, and then be in the same boat again and again. I'd rather push it out, push it a few, a few months. And if I'd done before that, woohoo. But if not, I don't, I just don't want, I wouldn't recommend the board I send it again. This is, I think this is the last time. This needs to be. Yeah, it is the last. I mean, that's how I, but anybody else, I just think it's enough. We have to finish the project. Um, so are you suggesting that it be extended until April the 6th? Uh, April, he,
Is Faya around? He, yes. I'm going to try to allow him to talk.
He, he's wanting such a March. My head, I was saying at least April at the year of the latest. I do realize the irony of us being here, having this meeting and talking about just being in a box over this building. I know. Michael, can you, can you fill us in? Can you guys hear me? Oh, okay, good. I'm, yeah, I've been sitting here waiting. Um, so we're on a schedule for February 2nd and 3rd for the install of the fence. Um, just please realize that to procure this fence was very costly. So we had to put it out to bid. So we had to go through the procurement process where we were not planning to do that. Um, we had, we procured it, the materials because of the size of the fence and the height was eight to 10 weeks, which is up in two weeks. And then February 2nd and 3rd, we're on their schedule for install. If you want to push it out to April, I'm fine with that. If like Rob says, if we finish, woo, woo. Um, but if we don't, at least we'll have that buffer. So I have no control over the material until it gets here. Once it gets here, I have control. We're in April or May. Yeah. Just so we don't come back again and do this power again. And it's the same thing and go for the same thing. Just as built plans, which you would have to finish after you put that fence in. Correct. They're just waiting for us to put the fence in. Everything was laid out according to the plan that they have. So as soon as we pull the trigger on that, then they'll be able to just deliver the plans. Well, I suggest that with what you already have, that you send that to Robert. We have, we have, he has that today. Okay. Well, I said, I sent the draft about two, three weeks ago, but I sent them the final today that we're just sitting on. Okay. Um, so, um, I'm going to leave it to you to determine what the real deadline should be, but I think I'm looking at the board. I'm leaving that this is the last time that there will be an extension. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Is that typical? Well, it's not being not a code violation or something that's life safety. I, you know, it's, it's something we're just, we're trying to work through that was an unexpected expense. So I just asked, I asked for some leeway because we're just trying to work through this. So yeah. I mean, knowing how procurement works and supply chain and all that, I would say may, but we either great. My question is if we don't approve it or if they don't make the date, what happens? I think that they need to figure out themselves what date they're going to make. No, but if we, if they don't make the date, where are we? Then there's no, there's no, there's no board at the time. I can't get the documents. So then eventually the board's going to have to vote to prove it or not. That's correct. So when we say this is the final, it's not, it may not be, it may not be. I think it's important to impress upon the applicant. I agree with you. I just wanted to. This is us, supposedly. Yeah. And we're supposed to be complying with these things. And we're occupying. And in addition, on as-built plans, we have a history in town of never finishing as-built plans. So that when you go back to try and figure out what went wrong or what's where, you can't figure it out. And so it's really important. If you haven't, we have a, a subdivision that has no final as-built plan. Not this one. We have two subdivisions. And I, I, I still, the town is still holding 2,500 bucks from the developer. Because you have, because I can't release it on the final as-built plan. And they won't do the final as-built plan. So it wouldn't be holding money forever. Yeah. Well, we've got more than one. We've got about three. Why wouldn't they do an as-built? That's right. Thank you. So just to be clear, the as-built is not the issue here. We're sitting on it, just waiting for the fence. So again, you pick the date and we'll vote.
Okay. Rob, what date did, what did you say you were comfortable with? Was it May, April or May? Just do May, just to be safe. That's fine. Let's just make sure that there's, it's a day of the week when it's not a weekend.
May 15th is a Friday. May 16th is a Wednesday. Is there a special meeting for it? We don't need a meeting. We just have to submit stuff. Do you want to do May 6th? Yeah, I'll do May 6th.
Okay. And I have a motion to issue an amendment to the last amendment, amendment for the amendment of, for the Council on Aging Community Center, say plan approval to extend the time for finishing the as-built plans and the installation of the screening around the electric utility panel until May 6th, 2026. So moved. Second. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mike. Thank you, everybody. Have a great evening. Happy New Year, by the way. Oh, thank you. You too. I move that we allow the chair to sign the, uh, the extension. Okay. So is there a motion to allow the chair to, uh, sign the extension? I said I moved it. Oh, you moved. I'm sorry. I didn't hear you. Second. All in favor. Aye. Okay. Fine. So, Robert, can you just take the last one and do whatever you need? All right. Okay. Do you have it? Okay. Not today. Okay. So tomorrow. And that got us right back on track. Yeah. Look at that. Where is good to go, Annette? Go. Okay.
Okay. Well, the trouble with that is we still got to wait till like 15 to do the public area. No, no, but we've got two other things to do in the meantime. May I suggest that rather than moving to the next agenda item, that we review the minutes and get them out of the way? Sure. So I have two other minutes from, uh, 10th and the 17th. And then in the 17th one, I have track change comments I can put on the screen or it's also in front of you too. And those are the suggestions from members of the board, as I'm directing them in. Which minutes are you putting up now? Uh, I wasn't going to put in there because everybody's on the person right now. Oh, who is it? 10th? 10th first. First one to 10th. Have people been able to read the meeting? Yes.
Yeah. Any changes? I didn't have a question on the straw poll. On 10th? Did we do a straw poll? Sorry. Oh, okay. No, no, no. I don't think that's right. Sorry. I'm good on the 10th. I move that we approve the minutes for December 10th, 2025. Second. All in favor? Okay, um, Robert, um, would you like to, sorry, before you ask your question, do you want to see if there were any changes? Yeah, right. Okay, um, minutes of December, December 10th.
Are you going to put them up? No, we have it in front of you. Oh, we do. Okay, sorry. Yeah, they have the, uh, the proposed changes in public. We did the very answer. We're going to start. So I wasn't even looking for that. So I am so confused.
Actually, I'm fine.
In the parts you brought over, so the first purple one, um, the end of the second line down, it says invasive and it should say invasives. So down at the very bottom of the same page, the very last little purple section, it says that stating and it said that staging is what it should say.
I'm doing it in stages. He said staging, so.
Yep. Thank you. You're all set. Do you want a motion? I think it's done or is he still? No, I'm dying. Yes, a motion, please. I move that we approve the minutes for December 17th as amended. Second. Second. Oh, in favor. Okay. Um, and, um, Robert, do you have any other, do you have any updates for us to the evening? Uh, okay. Um, we're just going to move to, um, the updates just to go over the schedule and then we'll go back to the last item that we're on. Um, the scenic road tree hearing has been moved to Monday, February 9th at 6.30 and we'll put something together and resend it out so that everybody knows where we are going forward. Um, so starting backward, just so you hear. On January. Same time. Sorry. 6.30. And that's only that one issue? No. Going back. I'm going to start with our next meeting in January. Well, first of all, the filing deadline for the zoning articles is 4.30 on January the 15th. So whatever we're going to submit for town meeting has to be in by then. And we have to vote it and I have to be authorized to sign it. Um, then on January the 28th at 6.30, we have a joint hearing on the Carroll School with the Conservation Commission. And then at eight o'clock, we have, um, meeting with the Finance Committee. It's their article hearing to go over with them our, our proposed articles for town meeting. That's February 28th. January 28th. January 28th. 7, 7 p.m. At eight o'clock for the Finance Committee article hearing. We'll be doing other stuff in between, but. But the first, the first one starts at 6.30 or 6 o'clock? 6.30. Okay. And the first people on their agenda at eight o'clock, we might not be reached until later. No, I set it up so that we're at eight o'clock. All right.
It's great. I don't do anything all day except.
And on February the 9th, we have a scenic road tree hearing at hopefully 6.30. Um, they wanted to do it earlier and I said that was just really tough for this board. That's a Monday. And also we have on that same evening, a meeting with the select board to go over or discuss with them, um, a, their proposal for a Route 20 task force. Right. What time is that? We don't know. And once we. About 4.30 or something. I just stuck it in my. On February 9th? No, it'll be in the evening. Yeah. Um, and it would be after the scenic road hearing and I'll try and get that scheduled so that they're not up that far yet. Um, we have a meeting scheduled for February the 11th and I'm hoping that maybe we'll be able to cancel it, uh, because the deadline for the decision on the copic church is the 13th, February the 13th. So, um, perhaps we can, uh, on the 9th, along with the scenic tree hearing and meeting on the task force, we might be able to finalize the decision. I'm hoping. But I can't guarantee until we see what we get. Um, then, um, our next meeting is supposed to be on February the 25th. And on February 27th is the Carroll school decision deadline.
And then the rest of the schedule is as it has been so far. And I'm sorry for all these meetings. So did you say February 26th? 25th. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Okay. Okay. We'll put together a list and send it out again. But I just wanted you guys to be prepared. Thank you.
Okay. And you can make the scenic road tree hearing at 6 30 on February the 9th, Monday. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Great. Thank you. Um, I'm going to, uh, sorry. While you're talking agenda, is it possible to get a updated kind of schedule for the year? That's what I just said. I, I meant for the whole year? Yeah. All right. Oh, perfect. I've been keeping. I switched calendar systems. Okay. No, I've been keeping track of them. And this, this will be the third one I put together. Thanks for waiting.
Okay. So that's that. Okay. So let's talk a little bit until, um, 815 where we can start the zoning by-law hearings. Um, if we continue, uh, planning for the Route 20 corridor, we've been talking about creating a plan to develop the district. Um, Robert put some things in our packets to help with you explain. Um, we did have that master plan that we did not, um, commission. It was commissioned by the select board and the scope was commissioned by the select board. And when we got to start working on it, we weren't really comfortable with the scope. It was not detailed enough and it didn't do enough for us. But we had public hearings on all of it. We had input from the public. We heard what people wanted. Um, I can't say that I heard anything new and different from when we did the town center project in 2005. Um, and, um, there's been this push from others outside, uh, to do another one. And it seems to me that at this point, we don't mean to do another one. We should just work from where we've been and where we've been with the public. Um, but that's just me. So I want to know your thoughts. Um, and, um, well, I want to know the board's thoughts and I think. Well, things have changed, uh, a bit since we, 2005 or the last time you talked about it. The last time we talked about it was just last year. I know. Oh, okay. It kind of changed, right? We've, uh, Terrain. Terrain. Terrain and a sub shop and coffee. And right on that side of the street. Yeah. But not on the other side. Yeah. No, we still need to do it, I would say. But, um, I think a lot of folks, uh, were disappointed. Uh, the whole food slot was empty for eight, 10 years. It's killing us. So that should take some public pressure off. Well, they're paying taxes. So, uh, I say they are paying. They had been paying real estate taxes that whole time. Yeah. But when you drive by, you feel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not good. You don't have any other kind of tax, real tax. Because if you have, if you have restaurants there, then you would be a real tax. So there's no, no activity. Nobody's buying stuff.
That should be done. That should be done in August. They're willing to move as fast as possible. The terrain project. They want to be done. They want to be ready by August. So good luck. I wonder if the select board, uh, you know, concerns are the same. I don't know that. I don't know what their concerns are. Yeah. The draft, um, proposal that they put together was to, um, have a committee made up of many people in, in Wayland. Yeah. And, um, interview potential people who could do a master plan and then, um, have them selected, which to me doesn't make sense. We've been there before. Yeah. I think the planning board knows better what it needs to be able to move forward. Um, I think also in, in the, since the pandemic in particular, the whole retail and service, um, and venue, whatever you call it, has changed dramatically. If you go down Route 20, I mean, it was bad when we did, um, the last work that we did on this project, uh, and there were lots of empty storefronts. Now there are even more. And you ride down the street and you see it says for sale, for rent, for sale, for rent. I mean, in the... Where in Wayland? Starting in Sud, starting in Weston. Starting in Weston, yeah. And then going through to Sudbury. That's about as far as I usually travel. I don't go much further, so yeah. Um, but Sudbury's pretty busy now. They've got a few empty. Oh, they've got more than a few empties. Yeah. They've got a lot. They had that whole, um, 1776 shopping center that was empty. They filled up some of it, but it's still got, and they offered free rent for a while. And it's still not full. Oh, is that right at Route 20 and Concord? Yes. But they're at Concord, right? Right. Is it, is it, no, Union Avenue. It's Union Avenue. Where the Sudbury Farms is in one side, and on the other side, there's TJ Maxx. Oh, that place. Yeah. Why for the physical therapy there? Okay. That spot's very good. It is empty. And the gutter school is there. Yeah. Yeah, the gutters, but they're empty storefronts. And more have come up over the last few months. So I guess, for my, at least when I look at it, I think that what we really need is an economic outlook for the future. Yeah. What's the Democrats? Not done by real people. I mean, not, not just, no offense, not just people in town, but real, real economic people who can say, look, this is what the markets are doing. I mean, it has to be almost national too, but this is what the markets are doing all over. And, you know, this is what you can support. Because some people say, well, let's do more townhouses. Well, that's nice. We don't have sufficient, we don't, yeah, septic capacity or wastewater capacity to do that. So to zone for something that can't be done, I don't know if that makes a lot of sense. So you're looking for like a market study? Yeah. A market study. Thank you. That's the. I can, I can, I can, I can do a moment and like, the consultant, they'll come in and tell you what, what are the, what in the area, the surrounding area in Wayland, where does the things that are lacking and what are the things that are, that are too much? What could, what businesses can be supported? What would thrive? Yeah. Because even if for certain things that we don't have, people go elsewhere. That should, that should be part of the, that should be part of the scope of the original data study. That's what I was going to say. Like, is it, are we bringing them in to validate recommendations that are in the master plan? That's like, what, three, four years old now? But the beta. Not necessarily. I think they didn't do a lot of the economic. No, they didn't do any. That's what I'm saying. They were supposed to, but they didn't. Look at the recommendations of the plan and say like, is this still even viable economically? Yeah. And so, and that's a piece that hasn't been done. The piece that we talked about doing was changing the zoning so that we changed it. If buildings got turned over, sort of how it looked so that we were focusing, you know, on how, how it looked from the road, but also that we were adding access to the rail trail and to the new town center.
But at the same time, not cutting off our nose to spider face to make, you know, the, the side of the building that's under 20 shouldn't, shouldn't look like the back of the building, even though it is the back of the building. So those are things that we can try to piece out and work on, but in terms of who's going to go in there, that's somebody else's issue. And even, and I'm honestly not sure. I think it makes sense to do that because it's fine to have some consultant come in and tell you that that's what should be able to be supported. But if there's nobody, and if they say, you know, we really need a lunch restaurant, if there's no lunch restaurant that wants to come in and open, then okay. What did we spend all that money on? Well, they won't take, they won't take that area. They'll just say the surrounding five miles, 10 miles, 20 miles. This area is lacking say restaurants or is lacking pickleball courts. You know, it looks like they'll tell you, they'll tell you what, what's the surrounding area. What's, what's missing and what's, is too much. Yeah. I tell you, if you go over to Newtown center, we're clearly lacking more volleyball courts. The place is packed. Yeah, it's very busy. The traffic is crazy. Well, people, people are now like stopping to drop off their kids, like right there on the road. It's really, yeah, it's causing, they should go on the back side. Yeah, it's not good. Like people are going around. It's going to, so there's going to be an accident. Then they park there so they can watch their kids. Yeah, they can stay in the car. They park on the road. It's a parking spot, but everyone else dropping off. But I did notice today that they've added some sort of screens that make it a little harder to see what's going on inside, which is good because you don't want people sitting there watching children playing volleyball. That's just creepy. But it is so fun. They all punch hands.
But on this, if we look at what we did do, no matter what they say in that report, let's say we want lunch restaurants or... In a future report. Yeah, in a future report, our job is to find what's allowed and not allow them I assume we've got in the realm of possibility what would be allowed or what would thrive. Yeah, we have a list. Yeah, we have the list and we've aired it down and we can work more on that. So what are we going to do with information that says you need a Mexican lunch place? Right. We're not going to do... We use a planning board to tell May they may reach out to... Well, the select board could do that study and then charge the EDC with trying to round up businesses. Yeah, and that's a further extension, but it's not this. Not the planning board's job. Yes, I mean, I agree with everything you've said. Yeah. I wasn't thinking more like restaurants. I was thinking more in terms of people say we'd like more boutiques. Yeah, just general commercial. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's dependent on who wants to come in. As Robin says, we can set it up so that your facilities could look better and more.
And you also have to figure out a way to incentivize who to redevelop. Because if I have my frame shop, so there's no frame shop over there. And I want to keep my frame shop doing well. Why am I going to redevelop my property if it's going well? Yeah, I'm already... Like, you have to give some more incentives, some density bonus, housing bonus, whatever it is, for someone to actually say redeveloping what actually may be beneficial financially for me, to redevelop my frame shop, put a second floor on top, put some residential. Right, and I think we talked about allowing residential. I'm just going back to what we discussed. When you say that, I mean, we can zone it that way. If they can't put it in, because we don't have capacity, we know that it's wet, and people can't really put in septic systems on most of those properties. That's been a factor. Yeah, but when the wastewater guy, I forget who he was, when he came to talk to us, he implied that there was some capacity for some housing. Since then, there hasn't, they've rolled it back. Yeah. Is that after terrain or before? I don't remember. Terrain has their own, I think. Yeah, I think terrain has... Oh, is it in the back there? Terrain has sufficient capacity. Underneath the parking lot. Oh, under, yeah. And they also had sufficient capacity through the wastewater system. They had for the, where Whole Foods used to be, they had 3,000 gallons a day, and then for the dentist's office, they had some. So they had a considerable amount, and they were able to show, I think, that they met the requirements. But that's one high spot there, you know, so. Yeah, right.
I mean, like, what is the capability for tying into the wastewater treatment that's going on in town center already? It's not. It's not. It's not? No. If they already have capacity, and some of the property, or many of them along that corridor, do have capacity. Some of them haven't connected, and some of them have. Whatever they've had in the past, that's questionable. But... If they wanted to do something bigger... If they wanted to do something bigger, there might be, like, small increments, but not a lot of increments, like... Honestly, that could be an incentive, setting that up so that there's an easy path for them to do that. If they wanted to do something bigger than what they've already got, that's going to exceed the capacity that they have. And how would we do that? I don't know. Just, I'm just saying that would be an incentive if we could figure that out. And it's also not our... That would... On the planning board, yeah. It's not us, but like, you know, if we could... Right. And make it possible for, you know, that mixed-use, commercial, residential-type property that everybody seems to want, that needs that extra capacity to give them a path to be able to get there. And we could clear the zoning hurdle, but...
So... So you're right. It does need... It does need a market analysis. Somebody to come in and say, like, hey, these are the types of things that you do in order to, you know, spur development on here. Has the select board seen what we drafted? I don't know. We did it a long time ago. I'm not sent to them. We can send them stuff before we leave. I mean, I think it's a good idea to share what we've already done.
And it's been a while since we visited this, but we spent a lot of time on this. Yeah. Yes, no, we did it.
But, like, I feel like the disconnect is we have this master plan that they had a group did. It's got mixed feelings about it.
How do we, how do we put this into action or validate what it is and then decide, like, what the next phase of this needs to be? That's kind of where we need to go. And that's, and, like, if that's what the select board wants to get out of that task force, that's great. But I don't know.
I don't know.
Also, part of the task force was including me, which was new to me when I saw the task board list. So I was surprised to see my name on the list. Happy? Well, I wasn't made aware of this in that way. Okay.
I mean, you should be there. The town planner should be on that. No, you should be there. I'll be giving a heads up. Yeah. So, yeah. Well, maybe that's what that is, that hearing.
So, in trying to think about how to test what we would wind up drafting for a bylaw change, how do you have any ideas on how you would, I mean, one of the things we've talked about is trying to
have lots get more consolidated so that they could do more development. How do we incentivize that and set it up? I mean, anybody can do an A&R and combine their lots. You have to give some kind of bonus, something, some kind of treat for them to bite on it. Even if that's more units than what they're allowed. If they're allowed, let's say, a few units per acre, whatever it is, for example, and if you combine the properties together and you need some kind of threshold, then you get more bonus or more for a ratio.
There's got to be some kind of gift to do that. Well, one of the things is parking. Yeah. I mean, you don't have to have your own individual parking. And you reduce the parking now. Yeah. You should be reducing the parking. And you, yeah, exactly. But then you also have, you just get one of some kind of provision where you can reduce your parking countdown. I don't, I don't have a solid answer quite yet or what it would work out. And it's not even so much reducing your parking, but if you're combining with another property owner, then you can share your parking. You know, you can count some of your, your, I don't know what you call them even, but your, your partner, your, your parking partner, you can pool your parking spaces. That's good. That's a good word.
That's good. And that is a benefit because parking spaces are very extensive. Not like they just, they just take so much space where you could be using that for something else for space.
I know one of the things in the beta group plan was better connection, like walking right from the town center area to like the bike path and those other businesses that are over there. And, and, you know, there seemed to be some thinking that like we needed a town lot, but we don't, we have town center. There's plenty of parking there, but we made it easier for people to get to those properties on the other side. They would be more attractive from the parking. Yeah. And we have this, we have this non-official path. There's a path. Yes. And when the properties has a little path. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then you go up the hill and you go to some shop. I've used that a few times. That's not very inviting. No, it's definitely not. But that's definitely not ADA compliant. Right. But that's something to raise with the select board, but that seems to be within their purview to make that path official. I don't know. Well, it's not there. We actually met with the new property owner today. And we, who? Robert. We're doing the, we're doing the, with the bike path. Right. So we brought in Larry to help with that piece of it. And, um, the new property owner is very open to, uh, kind of redirecting the parking lot towards the rail trail. And, you know, they want to make it what you think someone would want to do. So not scary path, like a nice path, yeah. But, um, they own the land, uh, between, uh, the rail trail right away and they're like, immediately they own it. So any stairs is not on our land. Right. It's on theirs. Um, and going the other way, uh, is same thing. It's all private property. It's whoever owns those properties. Meaning towards route 20. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So they, so we need the property owner. We need one property owner to buy in. And they did partially on the, uh, by the pizza shop. Yeah. You know, it's not great, but it is there. That's important to get there, right? The bank would be a good spot too. Except there's nobody in it. I know. So, but there is somebody who, but somebody owns it, but yeah, I don't know. Is that something that the town we're getting involved in is incentivizing and connecting, connecting nice paths to the rail trail? Could be. I'm not sure I had a question. Yeah. It's hard to understand how pedestrians would move. Like there's one path. So you see the folks that cut up, uh, get the stop and chop. Yeah. Or you can go a little further and, you know, uh, ADA compliant. But that's a big, that's a long distance. If you're walking that long, long. If you like to walk all the way to the track. No, I mean, we all cut corners. Go to any college campus. Every corner is cut. Those guys are young. Um, if you think of it in terms of just the rail trail, though, like, you know, people that are live down far away from town center on the rail trail, jump on your bike, come up and know that you can just take a ramp right up to the stop and shop, fill up your baskets with whatever you need. Oh, it's going to be better than that, because we're going to connect to Sudbury and Hudson and Yeah, right. So the stop and shop doesn't have to keep on going and go all the way to Sudbury Farms. You could, if that's what you want. I mean, you could, but at least, you know, give people the option to do it. You feel like they can do it safely and jump off there and not have to like leave their bike and walk up some weird janky trail. But it's still an issue of how to implement getting some sort of, whether it's a nice wide stairway or a ramp would have to zigzag down that little hill by the subsides. I think, I think, I don't know if you're in a discussion, Larry, but there's discussion where they want to tell Senator Owens want to have the connection to the right, to the rail trail is where Alyssa Ave is, they want to send her with Alyssa Ave, if you call it the rail trail, then you can go right there. So that's what, that's what, isn't that what was in the trash collection? They, they want to move that. Oh, they're very, uh, that's nice. You thought that was a poor choice of location. So what business is right there where the trash bin is? It's the car right now, but the car is moving. Yeah, they're moving into the, where the- No, what business is on Route 20? Um, right there, um, 20. I think it's the, um, isn't it the motor? So I think there are. One lower or no. Whalen Power? Whalen Power is way further down. Way down? Yeah, it's more like where the auto shops are. What's that? I think it's, it's the, um. What is, what's on Route 20 where the trash bins are? It is. Quite a bit. It's a, um, this way. Whalen's car clinic. It's what? Whalen's car clinic. Yeah, that's what it is. The car clinic. Oh yeah, the end of the car clinic. Yeah, they're the two car places. But you know, you might be able to get the car places to buy in because their clients who are waiting for their cars to be serviced can go up the steps and, you know, go up easily into town center. If I, if I, so I, I actually, no, so I actually take my car there. Okay. Right. And I would love to just walk right up from the back of that lot. Yeah. Across the rail trail and into the town center. If they put in a little stairway. Yeah, absolutely. But I, instead I just like sit on the wall and I'm like on my phone, you know, like better bring my own coffee with me. They have a fence there. But yeah, you can't do it. Behind the Star Wars. They can actually, the employees go around. It's a little house. I was wrong, I'm sorry. It's the house across the street. It's the house with Russell's own. A little significant house. That's where, that's where the connection is. It's not the Clark Lane, but it's. That's a bar where the Russell's. House. It is up far. But the trash bins are, I mean, they're, they're right over there. Yeah. Yeah. They're right there. So they are, they're where the little house is. There's like one single family house across from Russell's. I like. It's a business though. No, it's all covered in plants. It's owned by the voter, uh. He says it's owned by the Russell's. I think so. I think it's owned by the Russell family. Um, could be. I, I don't know if they, I don't know who they rent you. Oh, I thought they bought them. They might rent it to them. Or they, they may very well. They might just rent it to them as well.
So, I mean, what, what, what's in the master plan of better group is exactly what Robert's saying. Alyssa Avenue comes into the rail trails, a nice little park. There's some crazy things. And there is also on that plan, like a little sort of like ramp thing up to the stop shop. Right. Yeah, that was a pipe dream, but yeah. But they're both in there. Yeah. But that seems like an, a job for the EDC to go and talk to some of those business owners in that stretch and see if one of them is interested in having either a stairway or a zigzag ramp up to the parking lot for town center. Yeah. And then working with the town to make it happen. But for the, when it goes up to town center, that's on the town center property. So yeah, so there's to work with all the property owners, but that seems like an EDC project. Yeah. They're looking for one. Sounds like an EDC project. I think if they, uh, improve that, uh, access to the illicit road there, they've got a pedestrian delay. I mean, it could be the first project to act on that stuff that's actually in the master plant. Yeah. Which would be nice. I, I don't think anyone's gonna pay for zigzagging up that hill. It's just expensive. Yeah, this, this kind of shows it as like, um, it looks like two sets of stairs that go up and then like, there's another thing that goes around. Yeah. We need some kind of grant money. I mean, you walked all the way from plain road. Yeah. I mean, then you had to kick it up.
But is there, you've been involved in the bike path stuff, Larry, you've been involved in the bike path stuff. Is there any, is there any like grant money available to do things like that? Um, very low odds we could get funds from DCR. Um, they do help with access to trails, but, um, that would be a little rich for their blood. They, you know, spend $3,000 and now a neighborhood in the access. Right. Well, I'm drawing a blank. What about the funds we have in the town available for recreational purposes? You mean CPC? Yeah. What have you? Hmm. But it's on private property. So, yeah, I guess we could. Yeah, they do do them. They do do that. If I can ever attend the meeting, I'll tell you. I just think it's not appropriate that they can't schedule it so that you can attend. 6.30, same time. Seems to be a problem. Yeah. Because tonight you were voting on stuff. Yeah. Um, my, I, I always think about like MassDoc, Complete Streets grants and all of the things that they have, the buckets of money that they have that you tap into. But like for this project, I don't think it really qualifies for that. No, but it does qualify for CPC funds. Yeah. I think so. If you've got, if you've got the new owner here and a property owner on the Route 20 side to buy in and say, yeah, okay, that, that would be a good thing. I'll, I'll, I'll go for that if you can get the funding. I don't know if it fits into recreation. It might be just the general thing. Yeah. But if it's connecting to the rail trail, it does sort of connect to recreation. It's stretching it a little bit. It's a little stretch, but still. Nothing wrong with the stretch. Robert, I think I've asked you this before, but one, when does the connection to the Sudbury and Hudson portions of the rail trail? I think it's going to be in 28. They're trying to move it sooner because they're, as we've told them, that there are people biking on Route 20 to connect to the, you know, 11 miles and Sudbury to the five miles here. That's kind of dangerous. So they reached out to us to kind of knock down a few things. Long answer, probably 28, maybe late 27. To finish your start, finish. Oh, finish.
Can I ask you the, the overhead bike trail that's over by, um, TJ Maxx corporate. Yeah. What, what is that? The native rail trail. It all connects, right? The Chichwit rail. Chichwit trail connects, doesn't it? A lot of money. No, it doesn't yet. It'll get very close to the future Bruce Freeman trail that goes through Sudbury. Have you ever seen the one on, on, on route two? Bruce Freeman retro? It goes over route two. Oh, really? Yeah. That was sweet. That was cool. I worked on, I worked on that one. That was cool. I'm buying a new bike this spring to adjust that. It's really cool. All out. Then they get the money for that. MassDOT. Yeah, that was a MassDOT project. That old government. Yeah. Big money. So where are we? We've talked about, um, perhaps creating incentives, uh, to reduce the parking requirements. We talked previously about moving some of the buildings, um, some a little closer to the roadway. We've talked about that before. Um, and I mean, I think we can do that in zoning. Is that in here? I don't know. What's the question? I know we talked about it. The question was, um, we talked about moving, we had a whole list of things. Moving the, uh, building setbacks closer to the road. That's not in here. Yeah, it's not in here. Yeah, it's not in here. It says, guys, grab a few things. I think it says minimum. Yeah. The last two pages have a little bit of that stuff. I don't know if that's. Oh yeah. Okay. It's not any of the new stuff. I don't know. I don't know. No, this is just the existing. Existing. No, we didn't have five feet from a block. I know it was in the minutes. Yeah, I was going to say, we definitely talked about it. Yeah, and it was captured in minutes, so we should pull that those minutes too. And it's also something that this is, it tracks with, um, I think Bill Sterling's desire to work on the design, um, standards and sort of incorporating some of this for that for the town center here. This is what he's working on, an update to the design camera. I follow, we reboot everything. Right. Going back and modifying pictures that are completely updated. Look at this restaurant. That doesn't exist in one. Right. You got to do that. I don't know. Finnerty's come on. No one knows what Finnerty is. Some of us do. Jesse, do you know what that is? Nope. There we go. What is that? Was it good? Where CVS is? It was a decent restaurant. Yeah. For a while before that. Oh, yeah. It was the Oddfellows Lodge. That sounds fun. It was a kind of place to like, yeah. Sort of place your grandparents took. That's right. Okay.
Yeah, I haven't heard that. It's where the CVS is in the south side of town. Gotcha. So I think there's a role for us in this. Not like we're going to fix everything. But there are roles for other people like, you know, the Select Board and the EDC. Yeah. But not necessarily a task force. Yeah. That's sort of my sense. I just, zoning, in my opinion, should be handled by a small group of people like Yeah. So that we don't wind up with the kind of zoning bylaws that we already have, which are incomprehensible of places. Right. We just need to catch a break from the legislature and from large applications so that we can do stuff like this. Like we had a nice break and we worked on this. Yeah. And then we got to Dover applications and shut everything else down. Yes. Well, we worked on this between Veritas and these two. Yeah. So that's, we had a couple of in-person meetings where we kind of talked through all of this. Right. So that was in between. Wow. Robin has a steel trap there. Only for useless information. If it's important, I'm sure to forget it. So that's why she's the vice chair, soon to be chair.
She said with glee.
Okay. So, um, so where do you, is there anything you want to go at? More on this stuff? When we have time, I think we want to finalize the list of what's permitted and not permitted. But I thought we were pretty close. Pretty close. I thought we were. I thought we were. Pretty good shape there. And then start working on the actual zoning information. And it's a lot of stuff, you know, setbacks and parking. And ways to. And perhaps height. And height. And then to, you know, particularly height if you're including housing. Yeah. So that's a way to incentivize housing is if we'll give you a break on the height if you're including housing. We talked about that a lot. Like it was. Because we don't need office space in town. I'm pretty sure that's pretty clear. Housing. So you can get a break on your house on the height if you're including housing. And ways to encourage pooling of parking resources, especially.
But once we actually have a lot of time to do this, we can have meetings where we invite special guests, CDC, the select board, the DRV. And we started doing that. Yes. If you'll recall, we had the. To get some import. To get wastewater. Is that the task force? Yes. Not really. Are you asking this? Like what is the task force? I think I sent you and I'll send it again. I know. I saw. Yeah. It didn't help. Yeah. It just was stuff. It wasn't going to move the ball. No. And what time are we on the agenda? We're on the 9th. We don't know yet. Last time we kept this waiting quite a while. I'm going to try and not have us kept waiting. I'm going to try and set up a time. But got to see what else is going to fall into place that we have to fit in that evening.
Okay. So keep thinking about it and think about what you each would like to say to the select board so that I don't have to do all the time.
Well, isn't our objective to hear from them on what they're looking for? I think it's to discuss with them what they're thinking. And I don't know about looking for it because I'm not sure what they're looking for. Yeah. I mean, what they're thinking with the charge. Did you read the charge? Yeah. A while ago. You could summarize it, Jesse, if you need it.
I'd have to pull it up. Okay. It just, it didn't seem to be advancing the ball. Yeah. Yeah. It just seemed. Yeah. I'd like go back. Let's get more people involved. Yeah. I mean, we had a reasonable number of people involved in the hearings. Yeah. I mean, I think other than perhaps a market study, and even then I'm not a fan. I mean, we've gotten it to the point where we know what the townspeople want. And it's a matter of getting the right people to do the implementation. And that's not a task force. Yeah, zoning properly so we can. At this point, it needs funding and action on the projects that are outlined here.
Like, I'm just going to point them back to this. Just be like, what can we do to move some of this stuff along? Because there is some good ideas here. Right. I agree. Can you do that in the zoning we did?
With what they proposed, yes. We were talking about doing more. Yeah, we're going above and beyond. Yeah. Trying to encourage, you know, other businesses to come into this area. Yeah. This is more about like, you know, how's the look and feel going to be? Right. But even that helps with the businesses coming in. It's like, what do we do first? I'm hoping that the terrain and this new cafe, the bistro will hopefully increase that people actually want to be in that area. So if I'm on a business, hopefully the interest raises a little bit. I'm like, oh, there's a nice cafe. Right. And there's one. So that DEC said that they're hearing more interest. Oh, we've had no bites of the apple for the general windows. Yeah. So nobody's come in to talk. No, I mean, I've reached out to many different organizations and companies across the U.S. and trying to market this driver window. Right. Right. Nobody has bought the apple yet. Yeah. And even in the town center, they need to have the stuff maybe on Route 20 that would help them because there's really nothing here that you would want to come. I do think this is the volleyball place will hopefully drive some of our business. And I know we've had discussions with the volleyball place, Boston volleyball. Oh, volleyball. I'm hoping that they've also discussed with them, like, why don't you guys try to get a liquor license? You know, try to have people stay. Because one of the issues that people see at the time is you come, you shop, you leave. How do you get people to stick around, get a cup of coffee, go play volleyball, grab some groceries? There's no place to get coffee anymore, is there? Not yet. Chocolate therapy. Very good. Oh, they have coffee? I'm thinking back to town meeting. And cappuccinos, actually better than Sudbury coffee. I think I love these people. I'm thinking back to town. Yes, they are. I had no idea that they had coffee. I'm thinking back to town meeting last year where that guy got up there and he was like, I just want to go get a coffee on my way to work. Oh, that was, uh, Adam Gutz. That was, uh, Adam Gutz.
Whenever they finish their project, just wants a cup of coffee. He didn't want to get out of the car. Yeah, right, right. That's right. That's right. Anyway. Okay. Okay. So keep thinking about it. And, um, Robert, if you can find the notes that we did put together. Probably in the minutes. I think it's in the minutes. Yeah, you can take what we have in the minutes there and put that into like a little sort of. And this was, this was in the charge. When did we get the charge? When, uh, what charge? Like a problem for the task force for the task force? Yeah. I don't know. I have it. I didn't bring it tonight. I don't think I brought it tonight. I have it. It was, um, beginning of January. I think.
Yeah. Uh, no, beginning. No, it was in December, the end of December, maybe. That was, uh, earlier than that. Really? Before the last few. Three. All right. So this was. Busy meetings. I thought. Carol and Annette, December 15th. December 15th. Part of its fiscal year 26th objective to further the Route 24 are about participating in a joint task force. A draft charge will be presented. The select board will be reviewing the revised charge at its 1-5 meeting. Before we reconvene, we wanted to reach out to the planning board to confirm if the planning board plans to establish a task force. Great. And then, then we, I sent the, um, when I saw the charge on the webpage, I sent that to us, to the planning board after that, so it would be after the 15th of December. Here we go.
Select board hereby establishes a route 20 master planning task force as an ad hoc, temporary advisory conveyed to assist in efforts by regarding upcoming route 20 master planning will guide and oversee the preparation or comprehensive planning document for route 20. Reference to route 20 means portion of route 20 between the unitarian church and slipper. And the nine voting members appointed by and serving at the pleasure of the select board with seven appointees to be members and or designated by the following committees boards, select board, planning board, zoning board of appeals, EDC, Wayland housing partnership, finance committee, and department of politics, and two citizens of the town for our at-large positions. And then the charge.
Request that the recommending boards designate members ideally with professional expertise or town experience, um, responsibilities include, but are not limited to, advise on RFPs for services and independent scopes of work, uh, consider adopting a selection criteria point system or other quantitative or qualitative evaluation system, participate in bid meetings or interviews, review bids, evaluate qualifications, make recommendations to the select board and town manager's office for consultant selections. Once a master planning firm has been selected, see, like, I don't know, I feel like we already did that. We did. Um, the route 20 task force responsibilities for route 20 master planning and efforts will include, but are not limited to, act as the town's liaison with the route 20 master plan firm during the scope of master plan services, facilitate public forums, uh, facilitate public polls, review and provide input to consultants, coordinate with the select board and town resources through completion of the planning efforts as necessary. Finalize final route 20 master plan with master plan firm, make recommendations to the select board and the planning board as the zoning changes and if desired by the select board and are the planning board assist those boards with post town meeting articles related to route 20 zoning and communicate task force progress and outcomes. I feel like we've already done their job for them. We have, we have a bunch of information we can hand over to them and they can hit the ground running if that's what they really want to do. Who wants to do? The select board establishing this task force. Yeah. Just, um, so you know, under state law, the responsibility for master plans is exclusively with the planning board. Um, do we know if they actually talked about this on the 5th? I have no idea. I don't, I don't think so. That was, that was a Monday night meeting and they had a lot on that. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't, it doesn't seem to advance the ball. It seems to start all over again. Yeah. To me, it, it reads like we do. It reads like they didn't look at this data group plan. Number one. And, and number two, like, you know, maybe they, it's, it reads like they want to start over. Do we want to present what data did or are they aware? They've already, we've heard, yeah, we had that meeting with them already. We've already done that, right? We've had several of them and they came to our forums as well. I mean, I, I, I think. Can we suggest that what they need is if they need anything is an economic task force and not. I think, I think we kind of got through that for years, like, you know, what, what, what are we doing on, as far as market study for what could potentially come in or want to come in here? And how can we unblock any obstacles that would prevent that? Like, that's really what it is. And it can act on the stuff that the data group together. Chunk these things out into smaller projects and figure out how to move them. And we can make the changes to the zoning that we've been talking about. We can help. So yeah, like, we've already done most of that. Except for the chunking it out of the projects, funding it, and getting it done part. If the, if people don't like the data group plan, then we kind of need to know that. But even if they don't like the data group plan, I mean, they, they said they did, but even if they don't like it, what options are there to do something significantly different? You need some cash to do that in time. Yeah, funding. You need money to do it again. And you just, you just did it. So why would you do another plan again and spend more time? Take that money and build the little trail so I can walk up to the stop and shop. You don't need that. I will. It's going to cost them a hundred thousand bucks at least to just do everything we just said. Yeah. At the last time it was more than 85,000 that we already spent. I mean, I, I came in and there was already selected. Beta was selected. The scope of the work was selected. Like, it just feel like everything was like rushed to get started as, as I started. If it was pushed back to lit, we could have actually had like a better foundation. A better scope of work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was really a landscaping plant. I mean, that is what they were hired to do. I'm not, well, the ones that are in charge were not planners. They had no, like, planning experience. They were landscape architects. And then, yeah, that's why, that's why it looks the way it does then. Yeah. Correct. Makes sense. And the only problem that I can put it at the end, it's like way too late.
Do you have some Milo on the side? Let's do it. Now we have some time. Okay. Hey, all right. Let's run the road. Oh, okay. You have a fine marker. I have two, actually. Nice. You have two. All right. I actually bought one too and gave him one.
All right. Look at the rolls. It is. I don't like it, but it seems like it's here. It is. It is. That's what I'm saying. It's right there.
We shouldn't scrap that. We should use it and augment it as needed. Yeah.
Let's do it. I'll go with it.
So far off. I don't think it's not. It's what people said they wanted. I know.
I mean, the town center project stuff, it's been the same, even before the town center project, people were looking at taking the Raytheon site and doing something with it. That's a good thing. We finally got it. It's been the same thing that people have wanted the entire time. Yeah. Yeah. We all have a picture. And they wanted ice cream shops. It had ice cream shops, but they didn't get it. Yeah. They didn't get enough. Yeah. So they left. Coffee shop. Right. Exactly. Right. It might seem like you're taking a long time, but we can't start before age 15 because it's, oh, okay. But I've enjoyed listening to all of you. Somebody does. You're the only one. Well, it's informative. Yes. Yes. If you have to be here, just stop it.
I should have brought snacks. We should make t-shirts.
Is there just one that we're signing? We're just signing, signing sheet one. No, two. There's two sheets. Oh, I didn't. I'm just looking right at it. I'll get it. If I need it, I'll ask them. But it's just starting. All right. Yeah, I can do that. Fall out. Oh, jeez. I was going to say, what am I signing? No, I don't. Robert, you checked it and everything's okay. Six o'clock is hard for meetings for you, isn't it? Take what, the 7th? Yes, it is. Mostly because I just can't eat dinner at 4 o'clock. Exactly. Right? Even eating at 5.30 is like, oh, my gosh.
You know, it's before 6.30 for meetings. Yeah. It's difficult. Just, it's good. I usually wrap up work at around 4 and it's good to have a chance to review anything else I have to review or just get outside and walk around and clear my head. Yeah, I know. It makes you just move. I know, but, you know, today it was.
Guessing you're sticking around for the articles? Are you here for the zoning articles? I mean, I'm guessing you're here for the zoning articles? Sure. Was there one article you're here for? She didn't want me to share with me. Was there one article you didn't listen to? Do you have comments here? Oh, did you receive my letter? I sent the letter. She thinks that... Which letter was it? Oh, my gosh. Did you say not? Yes. Yes, they said something. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, and I was just interested in hearing what the discussion would be. Yeah. I'm surprised there aren't more people. Well, it's not 815. So, if you don't measure. So, if you want me to go on Zoom. And I was in her house all day on Sunday and, like, she didn't say anything. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. If anybody asked me if I'll be an executor, the answer is... I've done it already. I'm done. Yeah, I mean, this is... It's not like I could say no to my parents. No, I understand. For families, you know, first order family, it's different. It's different, but... Yeah. I mean, they spread it around, but I wound up doing a huge amount. Yeah. It's the pits. Yeah. I was taking a pit stop.
Once we get to talking about the zoning, whatever's going forward to town meeting, I hope that those of you who've been responsible will take the lead for presenting the things at town meeting. Yeah, I figured it out. Yeah, I figured it out. Okay. They learned on that. We'll have to, depending on what else we do, we'll have to figure out who does the housekeeping, and who does the... Remember when we used to have reporters come to our meetings? Yes. Years ago. When it was exciting. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. And what? Reporters. We used to have live reporters. When there was a paper. Now they just do it by AI, and they get stuff. They sort of really screwed up sometimes. It's very funny. It is. Yeah. Do we know what article she's here for? What? Yeah. The ADU, because she sent us a note. Oh, okay. So you know she was... Oh, I was hoping she was a reporter. No. Yeah. Well, I'll start off with that one, so she... Yeah, if you can do that, it'd be great. That's what she's here for. We have about five more minutes. Yeah. Is there anything you need to tell us, Robert? Is there anything happening that we need to know about? Yeah. Well, it was the appeal of the Verity Christian Academy site plan. Yeah. As you hear about ZBA on next Tuesday, so... It's going to be heard on Tuesday. Yeah. They're going to hear it on Tuesday. They're not going to continue it. I went online to... And they're going to continue it? They're not going to continue it. Oh, they're not. They originally wanted to continue it, and then they realized that it's going to delay more. So they was like, we'll just go. I looked at the application online. It really wasn't quite... I couldn't... It needed more detail to be able to figure out what was wrong. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What is the issue? They have a list of issues that they have concerns about. A neighbor. The neighbor. The neighbor. Yeah. I drove by. I see... The Aqua Protection District to the construction license that we pulled it was expired. There's a whole laundry list of stuff that they have issues with. The scope of it has been changed and modified. The guy who pulled the permits license is expired? Yeah, but it was expired. It didn't even think it wasn't... It's... It's... It's... It's traumatic. It's careless. Yeah. So I can see that they're concerned, but they're going to plant trees after the fact. But it is traumatic. It's happening with... Yeah, but I haven't... That's... I only did because... I only looked because I heard folks complaining at the select board meeting. Yes, I watched the whole table. I drew a slide. I watched it to see today to see what we'll discuss. I was just curious. You know, it was probably a good 20, 20 minutes of public comments. It was a lot. And then... I saw a layer of the screen. Oh my gosh. Poor him. I did. It's embarrassing. But I had to drop off. It was daytime. And like... It's not embarrassing. We had to go... I got five minutes with the slide board. Yeah. Yeah. And it just kept going on and on. And like... I gotta eat better. You're real. Did I see there's two select board seats opening up? Yes. I don't eat. I don't eat. I don't eat. I don't eat. I don't eat. Boy, I don't eat. There. Your seat is up this year too. Huh? I think your seat is up this year. It is. Uh... Yeah. At the end of town meeting. Are you gonna do that? Uh, no. I don't think it is. Oh. It doesn't seem like... Have you talked to you? I haven't, but I have from a reliable source that you will. So we need an associate member. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you would... I called everyone I knew for two years. You're younger. I'll ask. Yeah. Sorry to lose you. I wonder how you could handle all the committees in this too. Yeah. So we're losing a lot. You haven't always had this. Yeah. No, you don't have to, I guess, either. I didn't mean to be filling us through that. I didn't mean to be filling us through that. I didn't mean to be filling us through that. I didn't mean to be filling us through that. No, it's good. I like moving through, trying different things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. About water service. Will you talk? Will you talk to me? Sure. Sure. Yeah, because he actually has to run again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He does? Yeah. I will. I'll reach out to him. Have you been here for five years? Or did you come here? No. It doesn't feel like that. No. Oh, it does. I've only been here for only two years, and it feels like five years. That's running my time. Two more minutes. Two more minutes? Three more. Three more? Three more? Look at the computer. Robert, is it a public letter going regarding the Veritas Academy, what the issues are? Yeah, it's on the web page for the zoning board. I think it's on the zoning board. It's zoning board. It's on the web page. And it's under, I think, applications. And it's there. All right. Because I read it. All right. And did you get notified? How do we? That's the only one clip, too. If you also look at this agenda, the Cafe Bistro is applying for a site plan approval for outdoor dining. And the only reason why. Collins' Market. Where Collins' Market is. Oh, okay. Oh. They got an approval for a restaurant already. Oh, good deal. The only reason why that we made is the ZBA is going to hear the case is because they just, just went through with the special permit process. And me and the building commissioner thought it would make more, it would be less confusing if we just made them go through the ZBA because they just got approved for the restaurant. If this, if this was, you know, three months later, then we would just have to go to the planning board. Just like Dunkin' Donuts will be coming back from the planning board. For outside seating, it's generally. It's usually planning board, but we've, we've had a lot of issues in the pathway. It's so confusing. I had to go here, I had to go here, here, here, here. Yeah. It's so slow. So like, we're just like, if you. But if, if they had applied at one time. They should have, yeah. And then we would have just given comments. And. So I'm not, I'm not trying to like. Um, it's in the center of town, the, the old building with the, um, columns. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's great. It's a new restaurant. Yeah. There's no part in there. Yeah. That's what I said. What was it? So it was a market or something? Yeah. It used to be. I mean, it's only been like law offices and real estate offices. Right. Well, it used to be a, it used to be a grocery store. I used to show up there. Yeah. You're talking about Collins. Yeah. There's a grocery store. Yeah. I don't know. But Vincent's, but I don't remember. Yeah. So eventually Dunkin' Donuts has come back. Cause they want to do outdoor dining for the front. Or not. Dunkin' Donuts. Yeah. They want to do, have like some patio. Yeah. And the other decision says he had come back to the front. So. So one before the CEO. So. That's two plans. Come on. It's in there. I said the team. Speak for team. Madam Chair. Thank you very much. Moving on. In a court, I'm going to read, we're moving on to public hearing on proposed amendments to the zoning bylaw chapter 198 of the code of the town of Wayland. And we had an accompanying list of, in the legal notice of the specific sections, which I will read quickly. In accordance with the provisions of Massachusetts general law, chapter 48, section five, the Wayland planning board will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, January 7th, 2026 at 8.15 PM to discuss and receive comments on the following proposed amendments to the town's zoning bylaw and zoning maps chapter 198 of the code of the town of Wayland. And there are six. Five. Five. One. One. One. Two. Four. One. 候.
2707.1, the MBTA community's multifamily housing overlay district to adjust dimensional requirements and aggregate limits specifically to increase the maximum building height and maximum units per acre in the Route 20 West sub district. The third for consideration is to amend 198-104, 198-201, 198-205, 198-302, 198-401, 198-1559, 198-1602, 198-2002, 198-2201, 198-2206, 198-2207, 198-2302, 198-2303, 198-2309-11, 198-2201, 198-2506.5 to make minor changes in the nature of housekeeping. The fourth proposal is to amend 198-104 definitions and add a new section 198-707, ground-mounted solar ultra-versaic installations to establish dimensional and performance standards for the installation of ground-mounted solar installations and battery energy storage systems by write, site plan review, or special permit, depending on the size of the installation. The fifth proposal is to amend 198-104 definitions and 198-901 permitted uses in a single residence district to reflect the Massachusetts Attorney General's revisions to the accessory dwelling unit provisions at 198-901 to allow and also to allow larger accessory dwelling units by special permit approval from the planning board for 198-901.1.3 and to allow affordable accessory dwelling units by right for 198-901.1.4. Conforming amendments are also proposed to 198 attachment three of the table of permitted principal uses by district and 198-198 attachment five table of permitted accessory uses by district. And the notice did appear in the newspaper at the appointed times. Did you remember the dates, Robert? It was the Tuesday 30th and the 23rd of December. December the 23rd and December the 30th. So I'd like to open the hearing this evening. Just because we are discussing these does not necessarily mean that they will be proposed at town meeting. Some of the things we are we are really trying to get to town meeting this year, but we had a lot of things that we had to work on. So can I ask if you're here for any particular one and perhaps we can start with that unless you want to go through everything while you're here. I'm here for the special committee of ADUs. I am as well. I think we have different reasons for that. Okay. Why don't we start then with the ADUs and Robin will do the charge here. It's got a special format. I need to follow. I do have slides if you want to read. Oh, yeah. Cool. Usually what we do is give an overview. So the overview is, as I think the people who are here are aware, and I think many townspeople are aware, we had to change our ADU bylaws last year because of changes in the law. And we had to be careful not to overreach so that we didn't fail to pass the ADU bylaws that we needed. But that left us with really rolled back ADU provisions. And so this year, we aim to correct that and to allow more options for people. So we are changing definitions and changing provisions so that the 900 square foot ADU that is by right under the statute is still in place. And we've expanded that so that affordable ADUs can also be by right, which we couldn't have done before. So we're doing that now. And then to set up procedures for getting approval for larger ADUs. And we have not set a firm sort of maximum size, but it's a special permit. So you come through the planning board and seek approval. And then there are several different criteria that will be used to determine, you know, what would be permitted based on lot size, house size, everything. And other than that, there aren't too many things that are changing, it looks like a lot is changing, but it's weird to change so much of the wording. So it looks like a lot is changing, you still have to have Board of Health approval and septic plans, you have to have separate entrance, you have to have different amounts of parking depending on what you're doing. Under certain circumstances, multiple units are allowed. You were restricted in the original bylaw to the only way you could have multiple units was if they were in a freestanding house. And now and for a freestanding structure. So there are some changes there as well. And that is the bulk of the changes just sort of in brief. So if there are any public comments, love to hear them. Susan Crawley- I'm Susan Crawley- Bechtel, 38 Moore Road. Susan Crawley- I think Susan Crawley- Just talk louder. Susan Crawley- Is this good? Susan Crawley- Bechtel, 38 Moore Road. And I had written to you this past week, I don't know if you did get my letters. So I hope that sort of covered my reasons for being here. Susan Crawley- My husband and I, as I wrote my letter, very much want to stay here. Susan Crawley- And I'm really glad I got to this meeting early because it's become clear to me that Wayland really needs a population. And we want to stay, our children are already living in our house with us. Susan Crawley- And so many of my friends would like to do the same thing. And we're
Susan Crawley- have a plan right now that does conform to all of the regulations. We've already had the Board of Health come. The septic design is in place. But the problem is 900 square feet is really too small for two people who want to age in place. And we've worked and worked and worked on this design with our architect. And it's just really impossible to sort of get something that's nice and livable with passageways for a potential wheelchair down the road. I mean, David and I are Susan Crawley- We're going to find now, but we want to stay here. And so I'm really encouraging the Board to consider, at least in the case of, this would just be a small attached ADU to our house. We're not talking thousands of square feet footage, but we need something better, like maybe 150 or 200, excuse me, 200 more feet to make this doable. Susan Crawley- So 1100 square feet, 900 is as of right. Susan Crawley- Yeah. Yes. And so we're, I just wanted to impress upon the Board that we're not talking about anything that wouldn't conform, that wouldn't, you know, fit very nicely with our neighbors. And our neighbors also support this. And I know there are other issues with people wanting to put multiple houses on large lots. But in our case, and for a lot of other people, seniors who want to stay, I really hope you'll give this good consideration so that we can, can do this. Can I ask a question from those, those people you're made reference to, are they all looking for larger space as well? Is that an issue for them that you've heard? Susan Crawley- Friends of mine? Susan Crawley- Yeah, that you've mentioned. Yeah. Susan Crawley- Yeah. They think it's a great idea. We love this town. We don't want to leave. Susan Crawley- But it's the, it's the living area of 900 square feet, do you hear from everyone pretty much that that's too small? Susan Crawley- Yes. Susan Crawley- But for, again, Susan Crawley- 1100, you know, not a big deal for a special permit, but is that we've been struggling with how large we should allow. Because some people might want to put on a house that's the size of another house or build a separate one on a property. And, and I'm speaking just for myself, if you're going to build a second house on a property, I think you should subdivide and, and create a sec, a separate lot because it deals with taxation and the monies that the town gets and what it has to support. So that's what I'm just trying to understand. I mean, do your friends think that 1100 is this is appropriate as well or more? Susan Crawley- Well, we're far ahead of them. We're sort of the Susan Crawley- first. Vanguard. Vanguard. And so as many of our friends have heard about this, they say this is really great. They don't want to leave. Nobody. People would like to stay here. And our kids are now here. I might add, I know Susan. I've been in her house. They have a very large lot. Susan Crawley- Oh, I'm Jim Grumbach. Seven Wintrapp Road. I'm on the Wintrapp Partnership. Susan, you might tell them something about the size of your lot. I think that's an important consideration. Susan Crawley- Right. It's just under an acre. Susan Crawley- So it's a large lot. There are no, it's a large lot in Wintrapp. Susan Crawley- Okay. It's a significantly sized lot that there's no issue in sidelines or front line or rear line or any. It's not coming close to a conflict. So, you know, she, Susan has said 1100. From my perspective, first of all, you're doing it by special permit. So, the fact that it's special permit gives an opportunity to put a limit on it. Secondly, I think it would be a mistake to come up with an artificial number of 1100 square feet. I think that just doesn't make sense. And I'm here with respect to the same issue, but not for the Bechtel's house. I'm here on behalf of the Wayland Housing Partnership, who, as you know, has an interest in this. And I wanted to point out that one of our members noted that in the current housing production plan, the town is urged to adopt zoning that will allow duplexes by right on property zoned as single family residences. Now, there's been discussion of this on a nationwide basis.
Our interest is in allowing as much in the way of ADUs by right as possible, because I think it will make them more popular. It will make people less likely to shy away. Now, I don't want to put no limit on them. And I understand, having been on the zoning board for well over 15 years, I understand why there is a rationale for having a limit on the amount. And I don't have a set answer here. But, you know, I think it's important to allow flexibility. And I think a special permit does that. On the other hand, one of the points behind the state's statute on ADUs is to really incentivize people to do that and to take away as many barriers as possible. And my concern is that by having it by special permits rather than as of right, as we did in the first step, that's a disincentive. So I just wanted to point that out. One of the reasons that we chose to keep the as of right at 900 is because that was what the state prescribed. And all the case law that will come out about it will be dealing with those as of right. And we didn't want to be at odds with those. It would just be very difficult. Understood. Understood. But I think the town can be more liberal if it wants to be. I think my understanding is the state law is a minimum. It is. But if we so what what the chair is trying to explain is if we set a by right number that's different, let's say we used 1100 as the by right number. Then any case law that came out over litigation about the new law would be questionable in how it applied to our bylaws. I'm not I'm not suggesting that we scrap the 900 square feet. I'm suggesting that with larger lots where there's no conflict with the lot lines or boundaries or front or any of the zoning requirements, it be allowed to be a greater amount. And as I said, I'm not prescribing 1100 square feet or any specific number. I mean, every lot is different. And I'm not suggesting that we allow people to build five to use on one parcel. You know, we think that that's something that the planning board would seem more of as a subdivision or something like that. But what I am suggesting is that it it it allow for larger ADUs, at least by special permit based on the size of a lot and and no conflict with the sidelines, etc. That is what we're trying. That is what I understand. And I just it's in there. No, thank you. Nice to see you tonight. What we were saying is that we struggled about whether we should put a finite number that was a maximum and in the end decided to leave it flexible so that it was something that when the special permit came before us, we could look at it because maybe it's a one acre lot, but maybe somebody has a six acre lot. We did. We did talk about percentage of lot size. No, I understand. And I apologize. I was a little late tonight. I went to the town hall, had a nice opportunity to meet people there.
May I say to when I mentioned 1100 square feet, I think someone here asked me how much are we talking about? And just so you can sort of see what we're envisioning. That's why I said 1100 square feet. Right. Like Jim, I don't suggest that's the magic number that should be used for everyone. But in terms of
just opening up the possibility and having it done case by case so that people can be optimistic about staying and being able to build something that's comfortable. Yes. Have you been able to read the bylaw proposed changes? This? Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yes. I had gone down and Robert gave it to me. Did you have problems with anything on it? Pardon me? Did you have issues with anything in the language of the bylaw? No, I didn't. It wasn't that I had issues. I'm here to encourage this board to just be. We want to do it. Yeah. And I also had wondered where you'd gotten in terms of square footage, whatever. And I understand it's not decided yet. But so we're, we, we have decided in that we're going to do 900 square feet as by right. And that everything else, if it's special permit, will be flexible and give ourselves as a board the ability to make that call. We have taken all the factors that are involved, the lot lines, the lot size, all of that. And even the needs of the parts. I mean, there could be an applicant with the applicant is already wheelchair bound and knows they need special sizing for things and a larger bathroom to accommodate, um, you know, wheelchair and things like that. So we're trying to allow ourselves as much flexibility so that we can pass that on to our property owners. Um, so, and so it sounds like you didn't have any specific issues with what we've drafted for today. Correct. Yeah. And I think we're both here to support you and to support your writing as vigorous a, uh, provision as possible, allowing flexibility. I know neither of us has a problem with flexibility, but to the extent we can cut down on, uh, if there's any way to grant more as of right, I think we would favor the planning board considering that. And now I also have Rachel Pratt. That's also online. Okay. Um, there's also one other person here as well. Did you want to come up here and take my share? And we'll deal with Rachel. Hi. Um, Shano, member de Suarez, 56 Orchard Lane. I'm also a member of the Wayland Housing Partnership. So, um, supportive of all the points that, uh, Jim made, um, especially looking forward at the state housing production plan. Would this be an opportunity to see how we may or may not want to align with what's coming to the future? But, um, what I wanted to ask is we've been focusing so much on the 900 square feet, but the, I mean, the other criteria, um, in the state is, you know, percent of gross floor area. So I'm wondering if for Wayland, where we generally have larger homes, which there may be, um, there may, there may be a number of people, um, in Wayland, um, relative to other towns with smaller homes who might want to divide within their home with a little addition. And I'm wondering if that, um, would give more flexibility if you wanted to have a guideline that had some limitation, um, to, to just state, you know, no more than 50 or even 30 percent of gross floor area. So we haven't, yeah, so we haven't done that because we decided instead to, to put flexibility in there because while it's easy to imagine wanting to put a limit where that, where the, the primary home is giant, um, that same limitation would apply when somebody had a smaller home and it might be, it might mean they couldn't even put on 900 square feet. And so we wanted to still, for the special permit process, leave ourselves flexibility so that we were making sure that whatever is constructed is in keeping with the lot, the neighborhood, the every, everything. Um, you know, we've got criteria in there, the things that we'll look at and some of that is lot coverage and, um, things like that. So, um, again, we were striving for flexibility. I agree with all of that criteria. I'm just wondering whether the focus on the 900 square feet as opposed to the other part of that clause, which is in the state code, um, might be a more appropriate focus for. But once you go into the special permit process for anything other than the 900 square feet and the percentage of gross floor area, then it, it falls on us to make that decision and not set criteria, which is what we thought because we have such a variety of housing in mainland and such a variety in lot sizes that we thought that that flexibility was going to serve us well so that we're not back here saying, oh, we made a mistake. We need to change it. So we thought we'd try flexibility. Anybody else have anything? What would be great is if a bunch of special permits come to us. Yeah. Wonderful. And I think once it passes, we will probably, there's, there is probably a bit of a, a backlog of people who are waiting to jump in. And, you know, that was one shortcoming of the, the state law is that it was 900 square feet. Whereas in Wayland, we could have accommodated a larger number than that, but that's what they picked because they went for a one size fits all statute. And that was difficult for us to deal with at the town meeting last year, but even in constituent, some of the houses, it's 900 square feet or 50% of the existing, um, it's going to be tough to even hit 900 square feet. Yeah. So, you know, but is 900 square feet, somebody had mentioned that it's a minimum. That's not the way I read the law. It's not as though it has to be at least nine. No, no, no. Yeah, it's, but it's smaller of 900 square feet or 50% of the house. So, do you have any other comments? Okay. Thank you very much. Good work. Thank you. Yep.
Um, hi there, Rachel Bratt. 26. Hello, everybody. 26 Torina Road. Uh, I just want to echo my colleagues on the housing partnership and just underscore that we really appreciate the planning board's, um, promotion of flexibility and it's really significant interest and support for promoting ADUs. Um, as we hopefully continue to generate some interest from homeowners in town in building or creating ADUs. Um, we're going to be looking forward to seeing how that flexibility will be exercised and we hope that we can learn from the various proposals that hopefully come before you, uh, about how the planning board will respond and perhaps at some point we can see this even more. But in the meantime, I think we're in a learning process and I think your promotion of the idea of flexibility is really the, uh, only way that we can, um, proceed at this point. And, uh, hopefully we will see some real, uh, energy coming forward. So this is just the thank you and an underscoring that we continue to be enthusiastic and, um, the flexibility does seem to be warranted at this point. So thanks very much. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other comments, Robert?
Um, in reviewing these materials, did the board see anything that it thought needed tweaking? A few places where you just need to take some words out, like what's facing and that's it. Okay. That's just like small. There's nothing subject-wise. It's just formatting stuff. Yeah. Format stuff there. I can finish. When we submit this, it should have a brief write-up of like 150 words about what this is about. Is that something we can draft? Because that goes on the, uh, application. I'm assuming we want to go ahead with this one this year. Yeah. Yes. You too. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised in a few years to come back and like, adjust it a little bit. Maybe, maybe after we see a bunch of special programs. Yeah. But, but at this point, we have to allow the special programs. Because there's still, there's so many people coming into my office all the time saying, I wish, I want to do this. And what you said, the ADU, the, uh, essential piece too. People who, who, who need bigger bathrooms or bigger kitchens, like that, this is what it's built for is to allow those kind of options too, where it's like, I just a thousand feet. And I see a thousand feet to do what I want to do, but this at least gives someone an option. Well, I think it's interesting because the, um, the Healy administration has put out, they've gone on the, they had to, I think on channel five, they did sort of a little news story and they show of an older couple going through their ADU and I'm watching it going there. It's no way that is 900 square feet. Wait, it looks bigger. Oh yeah. It's a two, it's a two bedroom house. Oh geez. Yeah. I mean, you gotta wonder how they picked 900. Right. I think if you're looking at a, an urban or semi urban town, then I think there are a lot of places where that is all you're going to be able to fit, but one size fits all might've been. We wouldn't do, we wouldn't have done this last year, but we just want to make anything so complex and have the article completely flock and then we're out of compliance. So. Because it, so if we went larger than 900 square feet, if we allowed the special permit process, we had to have a two thirds vote at town meeting. And we were worried that if we didn't get that, we'd end up with nothing and have no bylaws. So there you go. It's. Yeah. So thank you for coming and I will work on the summary. Thank you. Do you have comments on any of the other zoning articles? That was good. Sorry. Vote yes.
Thank you all. I voted yes.
It's not a bad idea for the partnership to do that. If you guys really want this passed, you guys need to make sure you get the word out. Yeah. At town meeting. I mean, let's take an idea of that. We will.
So this is the final version. This is the final version. We'll discuss it tonight, making tweaks, but that'll be sent next week to the select board. And that'll be the final version that goes to town meeting. And I think an important population to get on board are your children and their friends who might also be interested in doing something like that. It's, it's wonderful of all of our more mature residents are in favor of this, but it's helpful to have more of a cross-section to the last meeting, but it kind of was, um, well, it's definitely a way for younger people to get into town. Right. Take over their parents' house and kick the parents out to the yard. And move in. Parents go to the way they're going to work out. So this past, this past, this past, this past meeting, we'll just say, they'll go to the microphone and give you a story again. And to say, I am, and I will, I really want to do this too. Thank you. Thank you.
You never tell me, you never know. You never tell me, you know, it shows up. Do we have any other public comment on any, anybody else on there to talk about? We haven't gotten, I don't think so right now. It's fine. We'll have to go for each article. Are there people watching? There's four people watching. One's Rachel and one's, uh, Bill Sterling. And there's two of you will decide wait here. Okay, um, do any of those people who are listening? Shh, I have questions. You, Jim, hi.
Do any of the people who are listening online have a particular, uh, one of the bylaws that they would like to go over so that then they can leave the meeting?
So raise your hand. Yeah, raise your hand.
I don't think so. Okay, good. Okay. Um, why don't we need the microphone here? Yeah.
Why don't we do the, uh, MBTA communities, multi-family housing, uh, proposed change now, because it's not that difficult. Um, the, uh, owner of land in the, uh, Route 20, west sub district of the multi-family housing, uh, zoning district that we created just recently. So that's down by Longfellow. Yes. Down by Longfellow and the Sudbury town line, um, had requested two changes, um, in the dimensional requirements and aggregate limits at 27.7.1. Uh, the first was, uh, an increase in the maximum units per acre from 20 to 32. And then an increase in maximum building height from 35 to 58. Um, and this proposal would be for, um, a building that is well below Route 20. So that what would be showing, uh, from the grade of Route 20 would be approximately 30 feet high, I believe. Um, and it would look like the building when you're driving, but it would be, uh, shorter than what you see when you go by the Oxbow building. Um, I believe the board, uh, thinks this is a fine idea. The project I think is ready to, uh, to go if this passes, um, and it would be a wonderful opportunity to have more multi-family housing in Wayland. Um, are there any public comments on this? I see no hands up. No. Okay. Um, does the board have what to go ahead with us this year? We do. I would add the comments in case people don't notice. The maximum units per acre jumping up to 32. It puts it in line with River's Edge with Oxbow. Okay. Yep. Uh, can I write the, the short write-up for this one? Yep. We're just getting one vote at the end? I think so. Um, unless you want to do individual voting. No, I think it, unless this, this is, I would just do it, just do it again. Okay. At this point. So that was... Housekeeping? Housekeeping's on the back side of that as well. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Let's talk about the housekeeping here. So housekeeping, this is a phase one of, we got suggested revisions from the top web from the eco company, and this is just the first phase of it. The easy changes that, to change from DHCD to ELOC and making very small changes that would be beneficial to, as we go through, as we reference, it's outdated to call the Masters Use Department of Housing and Community Development, while they rebranded the name, and then the Haley penetration. Also to clean up, just clean up, put a few pieces in here. One is about the overlay district in the mixed-use overlay, where the underlying zoning district is still active, and that's what we hope to clean them up. So that it would, what was intended when the mixed-use overlay district was created, was that once, I think it was the first occupancy permit issued, or building permit, that the underlying zoning, which is limited commercial, would go away. But that didn't happen because of the way that they worded the bylaw. And now the proposal is to have it go away, so that all that is active in that area for a zoning district is the mixed-use overlay.
Might work.
Any other public comments about this?
How does the board feel with going ahead with this one this year? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. I would assume that I'll be asking every year, to be honest, if we have anything. Right. I kind of have like a list of like, oh, this needs to be changed. This needs to be changed. So that's pretty difficult a lot. A giant housekeeping list and just, every year you just modify when you get this. Well, especially when the state agency has changed its name. Yeah. I mean, that we have to change that. Right. But we always say, and, or as amended. Sure. Yeah. We have the... Well, that's for thinking, but... Because we don't say it now. We need to make sure we keep it. So, the... So, in some places, it's already a successor agency. So, it does say in some places. It does, right? It does not. Well, there it is. Okay. Some places, it doesn't. Some places. Just make sure that every place that it needs it, it's got it. Sure.
That's how it didn't before. Well, we could just do it in the definition section, which is where I would probably do it.
It is actually in the definition section. Okay. All set. So, that's the three of them. The first, on the accessory dwelling unit, because we're doing a special permit, that's a two-thirds vote, you think? Yes. Three-thirds. And the multifamily housing is simple majority. And the housekeeping is simple majority? Two-thirds. That's what I thought. I thought I saw simple majority somewhere. Supermajority. Sorry. Okay. I think the MBTA, I think you're right. I think the MBTA is the simple majority. Right. And then the other one would be two-thirds. Okay. Hmm. Okay. Are you going to write up the? Housekeeping? Yeah. Yeah, I can do that. The surprise housekeeping is two-thirds. Well, you could slip in something that's not related. I know why. But the only reason we got down in simple majority is because it was out for the sale to help make it easier to pass multifamily housing. Um, for the floodplain district thing. So, this will be discussed last time. I've gotten a lot of feedback. I showed that from the state. And that should address the issue. The major issue or the major topic that we're discussing was, when does all this information lie? Does it lie during BILAR as today? Or does it lie in Chapter 193 regulations? And it was determined just to keep it where it is in the BILAR. And that's why you have a lot of new text in there. I have no issues with how it's drafted today. Um, I have one suggestion. Sure. Um, where we have floodplain district. Could we say town floodplain district? Under 1701? 1701. Which one? Floodplain district? Yes. Yeah. And the question is, is that, is that how it's designated on the maps? And just make sure. The concern that I have is we all were getting confused between what's federal, floodplain protection, watershed, or protection, and what's town floodplain. Which definition of the floodplain? I'm looking at 1701. Yep. The hot, the, um. Oh, sorry. The header. So changing just that header. Yes. As long as it, it also conforms to what we've got on the overlay district maps. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Because it might be that that needs to be changed too. I just think if we keep it floodplain district, well, we could, if we had to. It's just very confusing. I'll also see if we can modify it. Easily. Easily. Yep. Let's look at the top of the next page where it says C-10302 for floodplain district. So we may need to change it there as well. But that's okay. Because we're changing that. So. What page is that? Just put that page over. Just the very next page right at the top. So we might need to just add town there as well. And the maps. Um, again. The overlay maps. I don't know how they're laid out. Because all we're changing is the federal flood protection district. And I don't know what the other one is called. Do you have that available, Robert? In 302? In 302. In 302.1.2 is federal floodplain protection district. Are you looking for the maps? I was looking at the definitions in the overlay districts. And then when they do the maps, they pick up what the definitions are in the overlay district listings. So what are you, what are you looking for? Answer him first. Okay. What I'm looking for is I'm looking at 302, which is what creates overlay districts. Okay. Right now in what we're proposing to amend is to add the federal flood protection district. Do we also have something that is called floodplain district? It's right below. That's a different section. 17. We're talking about creating the overlay. It's in 302. So they call it a 3.2.1.1, which you can't see. It's on this page. It says a floodplain district that includes all land and water in the town of Wayland, such as seasonal or pre-DR flooding of the separate river, except for temporary extractions, which surface lies below the elevation of 124 feet above the mean sea level. As such elevation set shown as notated as 124 foot plain in the Athens of town of Wayland, Massachusetts, corrected January 1st by 1992 by Everett A. M. Brooks. We probably shouldn't change it. It'll just be everybody will just be confused going forward anyway, because I think that that's too old a map, quite frankly, and I think that needs to be changed. And then not great, but come back on a rainy day and fix it if needed later. But I do think in the in the header, we should still leave town floodplain, I guess. I don't know. It's probably better not to have. So yeah, because what I was going to say is other places all throughout that paragraph. It just says the floodplain district. It's everywhere. It's all throughout it. So should we take it out of the header? I guess. Or do we switch them all to town floodplain district? The problem is that the map that he was talking about calls it a floodplain district and the map is from 1970. So we should probably take out town, but we have to. Well, unless we put in a here and after referred to as town floodplain district. I can leave it out until we get a new map. Okay. Sorry, Robert. So we're taking away our town now. So the first. Yeah, take it out of the header. It's fine. Okay. We got that map, yes. Okay. What? Yeah. We got that map in 1935. Well, can you talk to, I don't know who it is who does it, but I think it should be, who did I say? Didn't I say the CBA does that one? Yeah. The enforcement of that one? Yeah. But maybe if you could talk to Linda and maybe the building. Yeah. And figure out should they, yeah, who's going to do what and shouldn't it be amended? Because 70 things have changed phenomenally. You think? Is there a definition of NFIP anywhere? What's the word? NFIP? Very excited. I see it on page seven. I think so, but I didn't know what it was. I mentioned it. It's not. And it's not in our existing bylaws anymore. NFIP. Yeah. I would just add national flight insurance program. That's fine. And then, and then put it in print. And then just put it out. Exactly. Good catch. I would hope that other people will be really looking at these things too, so that we can tell if there are any other things like that to deal with, so that we don't have something that is screwy. Oh, okay. Later, later it is, they, they do use it. It's funny. And on the last page, we do national flight insurance program, parentheses and FIP. the program, parentheses, and FIP. So he's in my relationship. So with, I haven't looked at this excruciatingly. When the state did whatever it was doing, did you just take what they said or? I took what they said and then I got reviewed by the state to make sure that it was correct. And what about Linda? Linda, I sent a Linda, and Linda had no issues. Had no issues? No. Okay. I had multiple rounds with the state to make sure that it's correct and that we had everything. So. Okay. So. And lucky her, she's listed as the enforcer. So we have three so far. This one really does have to go because we need it for the female stuff. So that would give us four? Four so far, yep.
Do you think it's too much? No. No? Okay. If we need to do it, we need to do it. How many did we send last year? One. No. Two. Housekeeping and we had the ADU was broken up into two. Right. Okay. And there was at least those two and then the housekeeping. I don't remember. Didn't you present one? Yeah. I did the two ADU ones and I did the housekeeping. I thought you presented one. I did. What did you do? Oh, you know what you did? The floodplain before the one that we did the floodplain stuff where we thought we were fixing it, but then they changed it again. Oh, that's right. Would you like to do this one? No. And what are you planning on doing? I hate to say this, but I've been working my off and I just. We'll all blow a little like party horns when you finish. Oh, you'll still be on the board. Yeah, because your term doesn't end until after town meeting. I don't know what the date is. I don't know. Look, you don't get off the board until after town meeting. I think it's May this year. I have it on my calendar. Let me see. May 4th. Oh. Plus, do you have a few days? Yeah. I'm going to have Nick do it.
Wow. I think that it's only fair for each person. We shall take one. To take one. Yeah.
So, Ira, do you want to do the housekeeping one? Robert will, okay. Whatever you want me to do, I'll do it. Okay. Guess what, Larry? Your slide point. All in favor?
It's a strong phone. No, it's a real one. I don't know.
Thank you. So, we're going to go with all of them. We didn't do ground management, so we'll do that in a minute. So, Larry, Robert, can you help Larry do the write-up for this one? Yeah. Sure. And put the two of you work together. And then I'll do the MBTA communities one. Robin is doing ADU. What works for it? Ira is doing the housekeeping one. And you can, the two of you, Ira and Robert, could work together on this short write-up. So, I have the write-up for housekeeping and then the floodplain. And then you've got to do the write-up net of the MBTA. Yeah. And Robin is doing the ADU. And the ADU, yep. And Jesse's doing solar. Potentially. We haven't just talked a lot on it. And we need this stuff. You set the dates, but we need it to be filed by the 15th. And the earlier, the better. Probably get it in good shape by next Monday or Tuesday. So, the summary has to be done in the end of the year, finally, it's summary, yeah. Which is, which is, 150 words, or no more than 150. So, I think if people need stuff by next, by next, over the week and by Monday, that'd be great. Okay. So, we can at least, like, tweak it and make sure it's correct.
How do you want to handle that? Do you want me to make a first cut? If you, if you can do a first cut. Yeah. But the housekeeping one should be pretty easy to go through. You can really, you can almost take the summary from last year, which is just the, these are housekeeping issues, you know, I think, yeah, I don't know that we were that much more specific. No, I would, I would, I would just, if you take the RFP, take a look at the, what did last year? Okay. Just kind of paste that and then just. And also look at the, at the, at the, um, notice that we did that lists each section. That's making the change. Yeah.
Okay. Ground mounted somewhere.
So, there's nothing that we had to, uh, alter or change. It's just additions to the, to the things. Um, well, it's creating new sections, section 198. So, um, and this is just to provide some guidelines for, um, use and, uh, application requirements for how, uh, we allow solar, also provide some suggestions on what small, medium, large would be, as well as, um, how to, uh, protect site line, how to, um, put your application together and who is in charge of enforcement, things like conservation commission for trees, um, decommissioning these systems as well. Noise, um, glare, et cetera, all addressed in there and all conforms to, um, guidelines that the state has also put out as well. In the ground-mounted solar, in the small scale, large scale, you've got this footprint. Have we defined what the footprint is? That's something that we were talking about before. Is that defined anywhere in here? Uh, it is not. Because footprint would be what attaches to the ground and that is not what you mean. Right. You mean? Area. Yeah. You want to change. Area that the solar. Area. Area under the array, no matter, I mean, it can get tilted, so if it's flat, it's that outside area. Yeah, it gets the area under all structures. Because it could include the array and any housing that's included. So instead of footprint, maybe we just use area. I think you have to be specific, the area of what? Yes, of what? The area under the array and any associated structures. Is there not a definition of the state has? What are they talking about? What are they talking about? What are they talking about? Shadow of you. That's the array footprint, like you do with the building? You can't say footprint because, you know, if it's a big array and it has just a little post that's stuck into the ground, that's the footprint, so you need the area of it. When you look at a building and it has overhang, you don't consider that? A roof overhang is different. Yeah, but that's not footprint either. Area under array and surrounding structures. The area under the array and surrounding structures. So like if there's a little shed that holds the batteries or something, you know, that should be included in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But surrounding structures could include the house that's next to it. Very under array and repeated structures. Related for supporting if that's what you're talking about. Robin's right. But roof overhangs, there's exemptions for how close they can be to a lot line as compared to how close the footprint of a house or building can be to a lot line. So we'll strike a footprint and we'll use area under array and surrounding, I'm sorry, and it's related slash supporting structures. Is that clear enough? Which section is this? We're just defining. Small, medium, large. Yeah, small, medium, and large. So I used footprint, but we want to be more specific.
Try it again. I'm sorry. So it's the area under the array and related slash supporting structures.
Yeah. And it would need to be difficult, but some of the arrays will be fixed. And some of them won't. And some of them won't move. Area at its largest.
Yeah, and then we don't even have to say under array, right?
Read it again. I don't know. Area at its largest and related supporting structures. Area under array at longest point.
No, I would say at its largest. But I wonder if there's some technical term of- It's got a way of saying- There has to be a technical term of art for this.
Not at some point ahead. I thought you had changed it a while ago. To the highest point when oriented at maximum tilt. Maximum tilt is what they use. So, but we're measuring the office sort of at minimum. To me, flat would be kind of minimum tilt. That was for height. Yeah. So now we want to measure it at minimum tilt. Horizontal tilt. Horizontal. The absence of tilt. It's getting late. So when the state talks about small scale, what are they talking about? What do they say? Well, that's what they say, one acre? Perimeter of the entire perimeter of the footprint.
Does they include like fencing? Anything else that's blocking the sight lines too? That's included in that calculation for one acre. And do we have to follow what they do or? Not necessarily. It's kind of like the Wild West. I see. I can't think, but that's one of the most important definitions to make sure we cover it.
The area under the array's maximum width.
Or it just could be the maximum width of the array panel or something like that. I don't know if that's what they call them, but there's some of them. I mean, we could say the maximum width of the array and the related supporting structures. It's not just width would be the perimeter. Yeah. Maximum perimeter. That's better.
Are you Googling something to see if you can find a better one? Yeah, I'm just trying different ways. And, you know, when you ask about size. Oh, yeah. Physical area, square footage, acreage, and occupying. Yeah. And every town seems to have taken a different take on this too.
For the BES, this is a question. We have it as a right. It's accessory in all districts. Do you want to limit the size of the BES that you can have in certain districts or not? I don't know. I'm just asking. Like in residential district, for example.
So, the only thing I have in here is, like, special additional guidelines for medium and large.
Except that here it's already permitted by right. Yeah. So, if the BES. Don't you think of, like, the giant commercial? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about. And I don't know if because this says accessory to the small, that that would be a small one. I don't know how this stuff works. And if that's the way it works, then that would be great. Yeah. Because nobody would necessarily care, I don't think. Just when you get the big ones.
Yeah, it's more of the building code stuff. So, what about the square footage of the area of all panels and related structures? So, and surface area. Square footage.
Of the area of all panels. Yeah. And surrounding and supporting structures. Not surrounding. I guess surface area is fine. Yeah. It was surrounding. So, we don't want surrounding or supporting, related and supporting. Supporting. So, and surface area. When you're done, read it back.
Surface area at the end, right at the beginning. At the beginning. Square footage of the surface area of all panels. I think I got it. Okay, read it back. So, we can all write it down.
Square footage of the surface area of all panels and related slash supporting structures. So, that would include your little power building, your little battery storage building. A related and supporting structures. Not slash. Okay. Okay. I think we got it.
It's very hard to do these things. It is.
So, Robert, you want me to edit this and send it back to you? Okay. Can do. And write your summary. Yes. Is there anything else in here that anybody was concerned about?
Has anyone reached out to us to report a story or opinion on this on certain signs or issues? No. No, we tried. When we first started it, we had, who came and talked to us? Yeah. Abby. Abby came and talked to us. She's in a long time. Right. But she gave us some guidance and had some ideas. She pointed me in the right direction. Right. So, but we haven't had any guidance since then. Have you reached out to the new person? There's somebody who took out this place. Yeah. Julia. Yeah, I did. I did send a note. Did she? You should be frontcalling or do that again. And have her just look at it to make sure that. Or, or, or, or, or, well, this is somebody according to, I know she's a little more younger and new, I'm not sure if that's, that is her background, so I don't send Billy, so. Who is it? Person inside Mary. No. No. The one I'm waiting. Okay. The new one that you gave us the name of already, or is this a second? Julia. I'm not sure what, I'm not 100% sure what her background is. The new person, they, I don't know if it was the one who replaced Abby or the one who is the energy person, but there is an energy person. Olivia. Olivia. Yeah. So, I would write about Olivia and Julie, and Julie.
Yeah, we'll try one more time to see if they have any comments. I did see there was a note from Linda on, like, trying to keep old trees. And we do, like, so we do have that in here. It's, um, construction, should be, sorry, 707, seven, trees removed for construction shall be replaced on a one-to-one basis elsewhere. Or as approved by the conservation, so they do get a say in it. Yeah. I think there's, like, two people left, and Izzy was left. Someone in a way came. So, what do you guys think this would be the fifth one? We don't have any regulation. I don't know, um, I know that the state came out with those new regulations. If we didn't come up with something. What's the consequence? Yeah. Would we be getting things that we don't want? More things? I think, um, the battery storage one is a particular concern. Right. We want to have something there for that. Right. And I think we want to be able to treat small, medium, large differently. Yeah. Which I don't think, if we don't have our own. I don't think the state does either. Right. And the only large project that I know of that could potentially happen is the one on the old town dump property. Yeah. Maybe. But. But, who knows? Plenty of people live lots in town, so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, um, the battery storage one is a particular concern. Right. We want to have something there for that. Right. And I think we want to be able to treat small, medium, large differently. Yeah. Which I don't think, if we don't have our own. I don't think the state does either. Right. Right. And the only large project that I know of that could potentially happen is the one on the old town dump property. Yeah. Maybe. But, who knows? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I think that's, when you're standing in front of town meeting, it's a selling point. And in the argument and, you know, the summary that this is something that if we don't regulate it. You know. Have the select board said anything about the number of articles? No, they haven't. But we're meeting with them on the 9th. To go over the articles. Right. Something that Michael McCall said, yes, we have to send these things to the select board. And they have to send them back to us. It's ridiculous. But that's the state law. So he sent them back to us. And they had the select board being joint sponsors of all of them. And I thought, that's weird. Yeah. Well, we need to talk to them about that as well. And, you know, they can say to us, we think five is too many. And then we say, okay, these are the ones we absolutely have to have. Yeah. Gotcha. Well, I know that's come up in the past. Right. Yeah. What am I at home? Because it's true. Yeah. Well, one, one of them potentially could be slice slightly house could be, but it might go crazy with the MBTA, but I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe, but, but if someone stands up and said, you pass this, I'm ready to go. I mean, they may, they may supply the house keeping one of the consent calendar too. Oh, that's true. Even the MBTA one could go. Yeah. Let me try, but I don't know if they go. Yeah. But the house keeping them on that. Yeah. I didn't even think about that. Yeah. Is that a two thirds thing? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know. For housekeeping, they were only doing, I mean, no, they were doing two thirds there too. It was the five, six. Yeah. I think they bunched them by what they need. Right. The way they do it. Yeah. They sort of bunch them. So if they have a bunch of two thirds ones, then they put those together and put them through as a consent. Oh, sorry. And if there's a bunch of 50% ones, they go through together. Oh, all right. Is it? Is it? Yeah. They almost like pull it and they say like, does anybody have it? Yeah. Right. And if they do then we'll do it. We've only done it once. So this is like, no. I was walking and Miranda Jones ran the other way and it was like seeing a teacher out of school. I was like, oh, I know who you are. And she stopped to talk to me and I was like, I know who you are and I can't put my fingers. She goes, Maria Jones. I'm like, oh, of course. Okay. So this one we want to go ahead with you. I think we should. Okay. So as we submit them, we should take a vote that we wanted to submit all of these. And then Robert will prepare. You'll submit your stuff to Robert and I will too. And we'll get the articles ready to go. And then I need to sign them and we need a vote of the board now that we want to submit these. So we need two votes. We need one vote to recommend going to town meeting and then we need to vote for you just authorized. Okay. Can't we do it in one thing? Yeah, you can. Okay. Timeline. So can I have a motion to submit the five articles, the town floodplain stuff, the MBTA communities, multi-family housing, overlay district amendment, the housekeeping amendments, the solar photovoltaic installations, new bylaw and the ADU amendments. To, for, to the select board for inclusion in the warrant for town meeting and authorize the chair to sign the application materials. So moved. Second. All in favor. Well, that was easy. Okay. Yeah. Business will be adjourned. Yeah. Just looking to see if there was anything else. Nothing else. We're having so much fun. No, we've just got such a slow start. We caught up like that. Yeah, we did. We would have been out of here at like 8 o'clock. So are we ready? Yeah. I move to adjourn. Seconding. I will. If I were a second. All in favor. Aye. All right. Thank you, everyone. All right. All right. All right. Thank you, everyone.
So I'd like to move on to PB2503, Request for Continued Public Hearing, with the Carroll School of Site Plan Approved. Do you want to speak, or do you want us to just take it over? You can take it over. Okay. Okay. We received a request from the applicant's attorney for a continuance of the public hearing until January 28, 2026. And the Conservation Commission, I believe, has already granted that, and we're having a joint meeting with them, and they've scheduled it for 6.30, so if it's okay with the board, I'd like to schedule it for 6.30 as well. It's fine with me. Okay. Is there, um, we also have received, um, an extension of time for the decision until February the 27th. Okay. And we were supposed to meet about the trees that night, but we're not. It was the 28th. The 28th. We were supposed to, but now it's moved. Right. So we were already scheduled for 6.30. Larry's looking confused. Yeah. We were already scheduled for 6.30 on the 28th to do the trees. Oh, it's 6.30. Yeah. So now we're going to do 6.30, but do concom for the Carroll's. Trees, concom. We're going to do all the trees. Or are we? We're doing them later. Yeah. So can I, if it's okay, can I have a motion to continue the public hearing until January 28, 2026 at 6.30? So moved. Seconded. All in favor? Unanimous. Okay. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry. How's it? Okay. I'm happy to be here just in case. Take care. I've seen it in a few weeks. Okay. Is there any public comment this evening?
Is there anyone online, Robert? No. Okay. Okay. Moving on to the next matter, PB 2303, 8 Andrew Avenue, Council on Aging, Community Center Amendment 28923, Phase One Site Plan Decision. Robert, why don't you tell us where we are on that? Um, for the, for the site plan, for the, for the, for the Andrew now, right? I wanted to do the Council on Aging Request. Yep. So, um, so last year, there's two amendments. One amendment was on May 13th, and that amendment was to allow for more time for the, uh, screening and as well plan. And, and, and in lieu, have a temporary seal that would run out by November. In November, the time, the, the, the, the Council on Aging staff didn't have enough time to pull it off. So they asked for extension in October until January 8th, which is tomorrow. And at this point, they are not ready yet. And so they have asked for extension until March 6th, March 6th. And that is what came from the public building director, director of public building. So this is to, uh, put the screening around the, um, electrical panel that they installed without permission. And, uh, to finish the as-built plans. Um, and, um, the, the question I have, Robert, um, they asked for the extension until March the 6th. Will you have been able to review everything in that timeframe? Will they be able to make that deadline? I'm not having some confidence in that. Um, I don't really want to personally extend it beyond again. I only want this to be the last, because each time we ask for it to be, um, filed in the registry of deeds, which is a cost. I don't remember the November thing. I didn't remember an extension in October. Hi. Sorry. I got the house. I'm sorry. Trying to, trying to do the same thing. There was two extensions last year. The second one was because of time. He just ran out of time. And then you need an extension beyond for the eight months. And then we kicked it to, to January, which was 11 months. Your question was, do you think enough, do you think March is enough time? I don't think so. I, I don't want, I do not want to get to February or like late February, which is next month, and then be in the same boat again and again. I'd rather push it out, push it a few, a few months. And if I'd done before that, woohoo. But if not, I don't, I just don't want, I wouldn't recommend the board I send it again. This is, I think this is the last time. This needs to be. Yeah, it is the last. I mean, that's how I, but anybody else, I just think it's enough. We have to finish the project. Um, so are you suggesting that it be extended until April the 6th? Uh, April, he,
Is Faya around? He, yes. I'm going to try to allow him to talk.
He, he's wanting such a March. My head, I was saying at least April at the year of the latest. I do realize the irony of us being here, having this meeting and talking about just being in a box over this building. I know. Michael, can you, can you fill us in? Can you guys hear me? Oh, okay, good. I'm, yeah, I've been sitting here waiting. Um, so we're on a schedule for February 2nd and 3rd for the install of the fence. Um, just please realize that to procure this fence was very costly. So we had to put it out to bid. So we had to go through the procurement process where we were not planning to do that. Um, we had, we procured it, the materials because of the size of the fence and the height was eight to 10 weeks, which is up in two weeks. And then February 2nd and 3rd, we're on their schedule for install. If you want to push it out to April, I'm fine with that. If like Rob says, if we finish, woo, woo. Um, but if we don't, at least we'll have that buffer. So I have no control over the material until it gets here. Once it gets here, I have control. We're in April or May. Yeah. Just so we don't come back again and do this power again. And it's the same thing and go for the same thing. Just as built plans, which you would have to finish after you put that fence in. Correct. They're just waiting for us to put the fence in. Everything was laid out according to the plan that they have. So as soon as we pull the trigger on that, then they'll be able to just deliver the plans. Well, I suggest that with what you already have, that you send that to Robert. We have, we have, he has that today. Okay. Well, I said, I sent the draft about two, three weeks ago, but I sent them the final today that we're just sitting on. Okay. Um, so, um, I'm going to leave it to you to determine what the real deadline should be, but I think I'm looking at the board. I'm leaving that this is the last time that there will be an extension. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Is that typical? Well, it's not being not a code violation or something that's life safety. I, you know, it's, it's something we're just, we're trying to work through that was an unexpected expense. So I just asked, I asked for some leeway because we're just trying to work through this. So yeah. I mean, knowing how procurement works and supply chain and all that, I would say may, but we either great. My question is if we don't approve it or if they don't make the date, what happens? I think that they need to figure out themselves what date they're going to make. No, but if we, if they don't make the date, where are we? Then there's no, there's no, there's no board at the time. I can't get the documents. So then eventually the board's going to have to vote to prove it or not. That's correct. So when we say this is the final, it's not, it may not be, it may not be. I think it's important to impress upon the applicant. I agree with you. I just wanted to. This is us, supposedly. Yeah. And we're supposed to be complying with these things. And we're occupying. And in addition, on as-built plans, we have a history in town of never finishing as-built plans. So that when you go back to try and figure out what went wrong or what's where, you can't figure it out. And so it's really important. If you haven't, we have a, a subdivision that has no final as-built plan. Not this one. We have two subdivisions. And I, I, I still, the town is still holding 2,500 bucks from the developer. Because you have, because I can't release it on the final as-built plan. And they won't do the final as-built plan. So it wouldn't be holding money forever. Yeah. Well, we've got more than one. We've got about three. Why wouldn't they do an as-built? That's right. Thank you. So just to be clear, the as-built is not the issue here. We're sitting on it, just waiting for the fence. So again, you pick the date and we'll vote.
Okay. Rob, what date did, what did you say you were comfortable with? Was it May, April or May? Just do May, just to be safe. That's fine. Let's just make sure that there's, it's a day of the week when it's not a weekend.
May 15th is a Friday. May 16th is a Wednesday. Is there a special meeting for it? We don't need a meeting. We just have to submit stuff. Do you want to do May 6th? Yeah, I'll do May 6th.
Okay. And I have a motion to issue an amendment to the last amendment, amendment for the amendment of, for the Council on Aging Community Center, say plan approval to extend the time for finishing the as-built plans and the installation of the screening around the electric utility panel until May 6th, 2026. So moved. Second. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mike. Thank you, everybody. Have a great evening. Happy New Year, by the way. Oh, thank you. You too. I move that we allow the chair to sign the, uh, the extension. Okay. So is there a motion to allow the chair to, uh, sign the extension? I said I moved it. Oh, you moved. I'm sorry. I didn't hear you. Second. All in favor. Aye. Okay. Fine. So, Robert, can you just take the last one and do whatever you need? All right. Okay. Do you have it? Okay. Not today. Okay. So tomorrow. And that got us right back on track. Yeah. Look at that. Where is good to go, Annette? Go. Okay.
Okay. Well, the trouble with that is we still got to wait till like 15 to do the public area. No, no, but we've got two other things to do in the meantime. May I suggest that rather than moving to the next agenda item, that we review the minutes and get them out of the way? Sure. So I have two other minutes from, uh, 10th and the 17th. And then in the 17th one, I have track change comments I can put on the screen or it's also in front of you too. And those are the suggestions from members of the board, as I'm directing them in. Which minutes are you putting up now? Uh, I wasn't going to put in there because everybody's on the person right now. Oh, who is it? 10th? 10th first. First one to 10th. Have people been able to read the meeting? Yes.
Yeah. Any changes? I didn't have a question on the straw poll. On 10th? Did we do a straw poll? Sorry. Oh, okay. No, no, no. I don't think that's right. Sorry. I'm good on the 10th. I move that we approve the minutes for December 10th, 2025. Second. All in favor? Okay, um, Robert, um, would you like to, sorry, before you ask your question, do you want to see if there were any changes? Yeah, right. Okay, um, minutes of December, December 10th.
Are you going to put them up? No, we have it in front of you. Oh, we do. Okay, sorry. Yeah, they have the, uh, the proposed changes in public. We did the very answer. We're going to start. So I wasn't even looking for that. So I am so confused.
Actually, I'm fine.
In the parts you brought over, so the first purple one, um, the end of the second line down, it says invasive and it should say invasives. So down at the very bottom of the same page, the very last little purple section, it says that stating and it said that staging is what it should say.
I'm doing it in stages. He said staging, so.
Yep. Thank you. You're all set. Do you want a motion? I think it's done or is he still? No, I'm dying. Yes, a motion, please. I move that we approve the minutes for December 17th as amended. Second. Second. Oh, in favor. Okay. Um, and, um, Robert, do you have any other, do you have any updates for us to the evening? Uh, okay. Um, we're just going to move to, um, the updates just to go over the schedule and then we'll go back to the last item that we're on. Um, the scenic road tree hearing has been moved to Monday, February 9th at 6.30 and we'll put something together and resend it out so that everybody knows where we are going forward. Um, so starting backward, just so you hear. On January. Same time. Sorry. 6.30. And that's only that one issue? No. Going back. I'm going to start with our next meeting in January. Well, first of all, the filing deadline for the zoning articles is 4.30 on January the 15th. So whatever we're going to submit for town meeting has to be in by then. And we have to vote it and I have to be authorized to sign it. Um, then on January the 28th at 6.30, we have a joint hearing on the Carroll School with the Conservation Commission. And then at eight o'clock, we have, um, meeting with the Finance Committee. It's their article hearing to go over with them our, our proposed articles for town meeting. That's February 28th. January 28th. January 28th. 7, 7 p.m. At eight o'clock for the Finance Committee article hearing. We'll be doing other stuff in between, but. But the first, the first one starts at 6.30 or 6 o'clock? 6.30. Okay. And the first people on their agenda at eight o'clock, we might not be reached until later. No, I set it up so that we're at eight o'clock. All right.
It's great. I don't do anything all day except.
And on February the 9th, we have a scenic road tree hearing at hopefully 6.30. Um, they wanted to do it earlier and I said that was just really tough for this board. That's a Monday. And also we have on that same evening, a meeting with the select board to go over or discuss with them, um, a, their proposal for a Route 20 task force. Right. What time is that? We don't know. And once we. About 4.30 or something. I just stuck it in my. On February 9th? No, it'll be in the evening. Yeah. Um, and it would be after the scenic road hearing and I'll try and get that scheduled so that they're not up that far yet. Um, we have a meeting scheduled for February the 11th and I'm hoping that maybe we'll be able to cancel it, uh, because the deadline for the decision on the copic church is the 13th, February the 13th. So, um, perhaps we can, uh, on the 9th, along with the scenic tree hearing and meeting on the task force, we might be able to finalize the decision. I'm hoping. But I can't guarantee until we see what we get. Um, then, um, our next meeting is supposed to be on February the 25th. And on February 27th is the Carroll school decision deadline.
And then the rest of the schedule is as it has been so far. And I'm sorry for all these meetings. So did you say February 26th? 25th. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Okay. Okay. We'll put together a list and send it out again. But I just wanted you guys to be prepared. Thank you.
Okay. And you can make the scenic road tree hearing at 6 30 on February the 9th, Monday. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Great. Thank you. Um, I'm going to, uh, sorry. While you're talking agenda, is it possible to get a updated kind of schedule for the year? That's what I just said. I, I meant for the whole year? Yeah. All right. Oh, perfect. I've been keeping. I switched calendar systems. Okay. No, I've been keeping track of them. And this, this will be the third one I put together. Thanks for waiting.
Okay. So that's that. Okay. So let's talk a little bit until, um, 815 where we can start the zoning by-law hearings. Um, if we continue, uh, planning for the Route 20 corridor, we've been talking about creating a plan to develop the district. Um, Robert put some things in our packets to help with you explain. Um, we did have that master plan that we did not, um, commission. It was commissioned by the select board and the scope was commissioned by the select board. And when we got to start working on it, we weren't really comfortable with the scope. It was not detailed enough and it didn't do enough for us. But we had public hearings on all of it. We had input from the public. We heard what people wanted. Um, I can't say that I heard anything new and different from when we did the town center project in 2005. Um, and, um, there's been this push from others outside, uh, to do another one. And it seems to me that at this point, we don't mean to do another one. We should just work from where we've been and where we've been with the public. Um, but that's just me. So I want to know your thoughts. Um, and, um, well, I want to know the board's thoughts and I think. Well, things have changed, uh, a bit since we, 2005 or the last time you talked about it. The last time we talked about it was just last year. I know. Oh, okay. It kind of changed, right? We've, uh, Terrain. Terrain. Terrain and a sub shop and coffee. And right on that side of the street. Yeah. But not on the other side. Yeah. No, we still need to do it, I would say. But, um, I think a lot of folks, uh, were disappointed. Uh, the whole food slot was empty for eight, 10 years. It's killing us. So that should take some public pressure off. Well, they're paying taxes. So, uh, I say they are paying. They had been paying real estate taxes that whole time. Yeah. But when you drive by, you feel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not good. You don't have any other kind of tax, real tax. Because if you have, if you have restaurants there, then you would be a real tax. So there's no, no activity. Nobody's buying stuff.
That should be done. That should be done in August. They're willing to move as fast as possible. The terrain project. They want to be done. They want to be ready by August. So good luck. I wonder if the select board, uh, you know, concerns are the same. I don't know that. I don't know what their concerns are. Yeah. The draft, um, proposal that they put together was to, um, have a committee made up of many people in, in Wayland. Yeah. And, um, interview potential people who could do a master plan and then, um, have them selected, which to me doesn't make sense. We've been there before. Yeah. I think the planning board knows better what it needs to be able to move forward. Um, I think also in, in the, since the pandemic in particular, the whole retail and service, um, and venue, whatever you call it, has changed dramatically. If you go down Route 20, I mean, it was bad when we did, um, the last work that we did on this project, uh, and there were lots of empty storefronts. Now there are even more. And you ride down the street and you see it says for sale, for rent, for sale, for rent. I mean, in the... Where in Wayland? Starting in Sud, starting in Weston. Starting in Weston, yeah. And then going through to Sudbury. That's about as far as I usually travel. I don't go much further, so yeah. Um, but Sudbury's pretty busy now. They've got a few empty. Oh, they've got more than a few empties. Yeah. They've got a lot. They had that whole, um, 1776 shopping center that was empty. They filled up some of it, but it's still got, and they offered free rent for a while. And it's still not full. Oh, is that right at Route 20 and Concord? Yes. But they're at Concord, right? Right. Is it, is it, no, Union Avenue. It's Union Avenue. Where the Sudbury Farms is in one side, and on the other side, there's TJ Maxx. Oh, that place. Yeah. Why for the physical therapy there? Okay. That spot's very good. It is empty. And the gutter school is there. Yeah. Yeah, the gutters, but they're empty storefronts. And more have come up over the last few months. So I guess, for my, at least when I look at it, I think that what we really need is an economic outlook for the future. Yeah. What's the Democrats? Not done by real people. I mean, not, not just, no offense, not just people in town, but real, real economic people who can say, look, this is what the markets are doing. I mean, it has to be almost national too, but this is what the markets are doing all over. And, you know, this is what you can support. Because some people say, well, let's do more townhouses. Well, that's nice. We don't have sufficient, we don't, yeah, septic capacity or wastewater capacity to do that. So to zone for something that can't be done, I don't know if that makes a lot of sense. So you're looking for like a market study? Yeah. A market study. Thank you. That's the. I can, I can, I can, I can do a moment and like, the consultant, they'll come in and tell you what, what are the, what in the area, the surrounding area in Wayland, where does the things that are lacking and what are the things that are, that are too much? What could, what businesses can be supported? What would thrive? Yeah. Because even if for certain things that we don't have, people go elsewhere. That should, that should be part of the, that should be part of the scope of the original data study. That's what I was going to say. Like, is it, are we bringing them in to validate recommendations that are in the master plan? That's like, what, three, four years old now? But the beta. Not necessarily. I think they didn't do a lot of the economic. No, they didn't do any. That's what I'm saying. They were supposed to, but they didn't. Look at the recommendations of the plan and say like, is this still even viable economically? Yeah. And so, and that's a piece that hasn't been done. The piece that we talked about doing was changing the zoning so that we changed it. If buildings got turned over, sort of how it looked so that we were focusing, you know, on how, how it looked from the road, but also that we were adding access to the rail trail and to the new town center.
But at the same time, not cutting off our nose to spider face to make, you know, the, the side of the building that's under 20 shouldn't, shouldn't look like the back of the building, even though it is the back of the building. So those are things that we can try to piece out and work on, but in terms of who's going to go in there, that's somebody else's issue. And even, and I'm honestly not sure. I think it makes sense to do that because it's fine to have some consultant come in and tell you that that's what should be able to be supported. But if there's nobody, and if they say, you know, we really need a lunch restaurant, if there's no lunch restaurant that wants to come in and open, then okay. What did we spend all that money on? Well, they won't take, they won't take that area. They'll just say the surrounding five miles, 10 miles, 20 miles. This area is lacking say restaurants or is lacking pickleball courts. You know, it looks like they'll tell you, they'll tell you what, what's the surrounding area. What's, what's missing and what's, is too much. Yeah. I tell you, if you go over to Newtown center, we're clearly lacking more volleyball courts. The place is packed. Yeah, it's very busy. The traffic is crazy. Well, people, people are now like stopping to drop off their kids, like right there on the road. It's really, yeah, it's causing, they should go on the back side. Yeah, it's not good. Like people are going around. It's going to, so there's going to be an accident. Then they park there so they can watch their kids. Yeah, they can stay in the car. They park on the road. It's a parking spot, but everyone else dropping off. But I did notice today that they've added some sort of screens that make it a little harder to see what's going on inside, which is good because you don't want people sitting there watching children playing volleyball. That's just creepy. But it is so fun. They all punch hands.
But on this, if we look at what we did do, no matter what they say in that report, let's say we want lunch restaurants or... In a future report. Yeah, in a future report, our job is to find what's allowed and not allow them I assume we've got in the realm of possibility what would be allowed or what would thrive. Yeah, we have a list. Yeah, we have the list and we've aired it down and we can work more on that. So what are we going to do with information that says you need a Mexican lunch place? Right. We're not going to do... We use a planning board to tell May they may reach out to... Well, the select board could do that study and then charge the EDC with trying to round up businesses. Yeah, and that's a further extension, but it's not this. Not the planning board's job. Yes, I mean, I agree with everything you've said. Yeah. I wasn't thinking more like restaurants. I was thinking more in terms of people say we'd like more boutiques. Yeah, just general commercial. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's dependent on who wants to come in. As Robin says, we can set it up so that your facilities could look better and more.
And you also have to figure out a way to incentivize who to redevelop. Because if I have my frame shop, so there's no frame shop over there. And I want to keep my frame shop doing well. Why am I going to redevelop my property if it's going well? Yeah, I'm already... Like, you have to give some more incentives, some density bonus, housing bonus, whatever it is, for someone to actually say redeveloping what actually may be beneficial financially for me, to redevelop my frame shop, put a second floor on top, put some residential. Right, and I think we talked about allowing residential. I'm just going back to what we discussed. When you say that, I mean, we can zone it that way. If they can't put it in, because we don't have capacity, we know that it's wet, and people can't really put in septic systems on most of those properties. That's been a factor. Yeah, but when the wastewater guy, I forget who he was, when he came to talk to us, he implied that there was some capacity for some housing. Since then, there hasn't, they've rolled it back. Yeah. Is that after terrain or before? I don't remember. Terrain has their own, I think. Yeah, I think terrain has... Oh, is it in the back there? Terrain has sufficient capacity. Underneath the parking lot. Oh, under, yeah. And they also had sufficient capacity through the wastewater system. They had for the, where Whole Foods used to be, they had 3,000 gallons a day, and then for the dentist's office, they had some. So they had a considerable amount, and they were able to show, I think, that they met the requirements. But that's one high spot there, you know, so. Yeah, right.
I mean, like, what is the capability for tying into the wastewater treatment that's going on in town center already? It's not. It's not. It's not? No. If they already have capacity, and some of the property, or many of them along that corridor, do have capacity. Some of them haven't connected, and some of them have. Whatever they've had in the past, that's questionable. But... If they wanted to do something bigger... If they wanted to do something bigger, there might be, like, small increments, but not a lot of increments, like... Honestly, that could be an incentive, setting that up so that there's an easy path for them to do that. If they wanted to do something bigger than what they've already got, that's going to exceed the capacity that they have. And how would we do that? I don't know. Just, I'm just saying that would be an incentive if we could figure that out. And it's also not our... That would... On the planning board, yeah. It's not us, but like, you know, if we could... Right. And make it possible for, you know, that mixed-use, commercial, residential-type property that everybody seems to want, that needs that extra capacity to give them a path to be able to get there. And we could clear the zoning hurdle, but...
So... So you're right. It does need... It does need a market analysis. Somebody to come in and say, like, hey, these are the types of things that you do in order to, you know, spur development on here. Has the select board seen what we drafted? I don't know. We did it a long time ago. I'm not sent to them. We can send them stuff before we leave. I mean, I think it's a good idea to share what we've already done.
And it's been a while since we visited this, but we spent a lot of time on this. Yeah. Yes, no, we did it.
But, like, I feel like the disconnect is we have this master plan that they had a group did. It's got mixed feelings about it.
How do we, how do we put this into action or validate what it is and then decide, like, what the next phase of this needs to be? That's kind of where we need to go. And that's, and, like, if that's what the select board wants to get out of that task force, that's great. But I don't know.
I don't know.
Also, part of the task force was including me, which was new to me when I saw the task board list. So I was surprised to see my name on the list. Happy? Well, I wasn't made aware of this in that way. Okay.
I mean, you should be there. The town planner should be on that. No, you should be there. I'll be giving a heads up. Yeah. So, yeah. Well, maybe that's what that is, that hearing.
So, in trying to think about how to test what we would wind up drafting for a bylaw change, how do you have any ideas on how you would, I mean, one of the things we've talked about is trying to
have lots get more consolidated so that they could do more development. How do we incentivize that and set it up? I mean, anybody can do an A&R and combine their lots. You have to give some kind of bonus, something, some kind of treat for them to bite on it. Even if that's more units than what they're allowed. If they're allowed, let's say, a few units per acre, whatever it is, for example, and if you combine the properties together and you need some kind of threshold, then you get more bonus or more for a ratio.
There's got to be some kind of gift to do that. Well, one of the things is parking. Yeah. I mean, you don't have to have your own individual parking. And you reduce the parking now. Yeah. You should be reducing the parking. And you, yeah, exactly. But then you also have, you just get one of some kind of provision where you can reduce your parking countdown. I don't, I don't have a solid answer quite yet or what it would work out. And it's not even so much reducing your parking, but if you're combining with another property owner, then you can share your parking. You know, you can count some of your, your, I don't know what you call them even, but your, your partner, your, your parking partner, you can pool your parking spaces. That's good. That's a good word.
That's good. And that is a benefit because parking spaces are very extensive. Not like they just, they just take so much space where you could be using that for something else for space.
I know one of the things in the beta group plan was better connection, like walking right from the town center area to like the bike path and those other businesses that are over there. And, and, you know, there seemed to be some thinking that like we needed a town lot, but we don't, we have town center. There's plenty of parking there, but we made it easier for people to get to those properties on the other side. They would be more attractive from the parking. Yeah. And we have this, we have this non-official path. There's a path. Yes. And when the properties has a little path. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then you go up the hill and you go to some shop. I've used that a few times. That's not very inviting. No, it's definitely not. But that's definitely not ADA compliant. Right. But that's something to raise with the select board, but that seems to be within their purview to make that path official. I don't know. Well, it's not there. We actually met with the new property owner today. And we, who? Robert. We're doing the, we're doing the, with the bike path. Right. So we brought in Larry to help with that piece of it. And, um, the new property owner is very open to, uh, kind of redirecting the parking lot towards the rail trail. And, you know, they want to make it what you think someone would want to do. So not scary path, like a nice path, yeah. But, um, they own the land, uh, between, uh, the rail trail right away and they're like, immediately they own it. So any stairs is not on our land. Right. It's on theirs. Um, and going the other way, uh, is same thing. It's all private property. It's whoever owns those properties. Meaning towards route 20. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So they, so we need the property owner. We need one property owner to buy in. And they did partially on the, uh, by the pizza shop. Yeah. You know, it's not great, but it is there. That's important to get there, right? The bank would be a good spot too. Except there's nobody in it. I know. So, but there is somebody who, but somebody owns it, but yeah, I don't know. Is that something that the town we're getting involved in is incentivizing and connecting, connecting nice paths to the rail trail? Could be. I'm not sure I had a question. Yeah. It's hard to understand how pedestrians would move. Like there's one path. So you see the folks that cut up, uh, get the stop and chop. Yeah. Or you can go a little further and, you know, uh, ADA compliant. But that's a big, that's a long distance. If you're walking that long, long. If you like to walk all the way to the track. No, I mean, we all cut corners. Go to any college campus. Every corner is cut. Those guys are young. Um, if you think of it in terms of just the rail trail, though, like, you know, people that are live down far away from town center on the rail trail, jump on your bike, come up and know that you can just take a ramp right up to the stop and shop, fill up your baskets with whatever you need. Oh, it's going to be better than that, because we're going to connect to Sudbury and Hudson and Yeah, right. So the stop and shop doesn't have to keep on going and go all the way to Sudbury Farms. You could, if that's what you want. I mean, you could, but at least, you know, give people the option to do it. You feel like they can do it safely and jump off there and not have to like leave their bike and walk up some weird janky trail. But it's still an issue of how to implement getting some sort of, whether it's a nice wide stairway or a ramp would have to zigzag down that little hill by the subsides. I think, I think, I don't know if you're in a discussion, Larry, but there's discussion where they want to tell Senator Owens want to have the connection to the right, to the rail trail is where Alyssa Ave is, they want to send her with Alyssa Ave, if you call it the rail trail, then you can go right there. So that's what, that's what, isn't that what was in the trash collection? They, they want to move that. Oh, they're very, uh, that's nice. You thought that was a poor choice of location. So what business is right there where the trash bin is? It's the car right now, but the car is moving. Yeah, they're moving into the, where the- No, what business is on Route 20? Um, right there, um, 20. I think it's the, um, isn't it the motor? So I think there are. One lower or no. Whalen Power? Whalen Power is way further down. Way down? Yeah, it's more like where the auto shops are. What's that? I think it's, it's the, um. What is, what's on Route 20 where the trash bins are? It is. Quite a bit. It's a, um, this way. Whalen's car clinic. It's what? Whalen's car clinic. Yeah, that's what it is. The car clinic. Oh yeah, the end of the car clinic. Yeah, they're the two car places. But you know, you might be able to get the car places to buy in because their clients who are waiting for their cars to be serviced can go up the steps and, you know, go up easily into town center. If I, if I, so I, I actually, no, so I actually take my car there. Okay. Right. And I would love to just walk right up from the back of that lot. Yeah. Across the rail trail and into the town center. If they put in a little stairway. Yeah, absolutely. But I, instead I just like sit on the wall and I'm like on my phone, you know, like better bring my own coffee with me. They have a fence there. But yeah, you can't do it. Behind the Star Wars. They can actually, the employees go around. It's a little house. I was wrong, I'm sorry. It's the house across the street. It's the house with Russell's own. A little significant house. That's where, that's where the connection is. It's not the Clark Lane, but it's. That's a bar where the Russell's. House. It is up far. But the trash bins are, I mean, they're, they're right over there. Yeah. Yeah. They're right there. So they are, they're where the little house is. There's like one single family house across from Russell's. I like. It's a business though. No, it's all covered in plants. It's owned by the voter, uh. He says it's owned by the Russell's. I think so. I think it's owned by the Russell family. Um, could be. I, I don't know if they, I don't know who they rent you. Oh, I thought they bought them. They might rent it to them. Or they, they may very well. They might just rent it to them as well.
So, I mean, what, what, what's in the master plan of better group is exactly what Robert's saying. Alyssa Avenue comes into the rail trails, a nice little park. There's some crazy things. And there is also on that plan, like a little sort of like ramp thing up to the stop shop. Right. Yeah, that was a pipe dream, but yeah. But they're both in there. Yeah. But that seems like an, a job for the EDC to go and talk to some of those business owners in that stretch and see if one of them is interested in having either a stairway or a zigzag ramp up to the parking lot for town center. Yeah. And then working with the town to make it happen. But for the, when it goes up to town center, that's on the town center property. So yeah, so there's to work with all the property owners, but that seems like an EDC project. Yeah. They're looking for one. Sounds like an EDC project. I think if they, uh, improve that, uh, access to the illicit road there, they've got a pedestrian delay. I mean, it could be the first project to act on that stuff that's actually in the master plant. Yeah. Which would be nice. I, I don't think anyone's gonna pay for zigzagging up that hill. It's just expensive. Yeah, this, this kind of shows it as like, um, it looks like two sets of stairs that go up and then like, there's another thing that goes around. Yeah. We need some kind of grant money. I mean, you walked all the way from plain road. Yeah. I mean, then you had to kick it up.
But is there, you've been involved in the bike path stuff, Larry, you've been involved in the bike path stuff. Is there any, is there any like grant money available to do things like that? Um, very low odds we could get funds from DCR. Um, they do help with access to trails, but, um, that would be a little rich for their blood. They, you know, spend $3,000 and now a neighborhood in the access. Right. Well, I'm drawing a blank. What about the funds we have in the town available for recreational purposes? You mean CPC? Yeah. What have you? Hmm. But it's on private property. So, yeah, I guess we could. Yeah, they do do them. They do do that. If I can ever attend the meeting, I'll tell you. I just think it's not appropriate that they can't schedule it so that you can attend. 6.30, same time. Seems to be a problem. Yeah. Because tonight you were voting on stuff. Yeah. Um, my, I, I always think about like MassDoc, Complete Streets grants and all of the things that they have, the buckets of money that they have that you tap into. But like for this project, I don't think it really qualifies for that. No, but it does qualify for CPC funds. Yeah. I think so. If you've got, if you've got the new owner here and a property owner on the Route 20 side to buy in and say, yeah, okay, that, that would be a good thing. I'll, I'll, I'll go for that if you can get the funding. I don't know if it fits into recreation. It might be just the general thing. Yeah. But if it's connecting to the rail trail, it does sort of connect to recreation. It's stretching it a little bit. It's a little stretch, but still. Nothing wrong with the stretch. Robert, I think I've asked you this before, but one, when does the connection to the Sudbury and Hudson portions of the rail trail? I think it's going to be in 28. They're trying to move it sooner because they're, as we've told them, that there are people biking on Route 20 to connect to the, you know, 11 miles and Sudbury to the five miles here. That's kind of dangerous. So they reached out to us to kind of knock down a few things. Long answer, probably 28, maybe late 27. To finish your start, finish. Oh, finish.
Can I ask you the, the overhead bike trail that's over by, um, TJ Maxx corporate. Yeah. What, what is that? The native rail trail. It all connects, right? The Chichwit rail. Chichwit trail connects, doesn't it? A lot of money. No, it doesn't yet. It'll get very close to the future Bruce Freeman trail that goes through Sudbury. Have you ever seen the one on, on, on route two? Bruce Freeman retro? It goes over route two. Oh, really? Yeah. That was sweet. That was cool. I worked on, I worked on that one. That was cool. I'm buying a new bike this spring to adjust that. It's really cool. All out. Then they get the money for that. MassDOT. Yeah, that was a MassDOT project. That old government. Yeah. Big money. So where are we? We've talked about, um, perhaps creating incentives, uh, to reduce the parking requirements. We talked previously about moving some of the buildings, um, some a little closer to the roadway. We've talked about that before. Um, and I mean, I think we can do that in zoning. Is that in here? I don't know. What's the question? I know we talked about it. The question was, um, we talked about moving, we had a whole list of things. Moving the, uh, building setbacks closer to the road. That's not in here. Yeah, it's not in here. Yeah, it's not in here. It says, guys, grab a few things. I think it says minimum. Yeah. The last two pages have a little bit of that stuff. I don't know if that's. Oh yeah. Okay. It's not any of the new stuff. I don't know. I don't know. No, this is just the existing. Existing. No, we didn't have five feet from a block. I know it was in the minutes. Yeah, I was going to say, we definitely talked about it. Yeah, and it was captured in minutes, so we should pull that those minutes too. And it's also something that this is, it tracks with, um, I think Bill Sterling's desire to work on the design, um, standards and sort of incorporating some of this for that for the town center here. This is what he's working on, an update to the design camera. I follow, we reboot everything. Right. Going back and modifying pictures that are completely updated. Look at this restaurant. That doesn't exist in one. Right. You got to do that. I don't know. Finnerty's come on. No one knows what Finnerty is. Some of us do. Jesse, do you know what that is? Nope. There we go. What is that? Was it good? Where CVS is? It was a decent restaurant. Yeah. For a while before that. Oh, yeah. It was the Oddfellows Lodge. That sounds fun. It was a kind of place to like, yeah. Sort of place your grandparents took. That's right. Okay.
Yeah, I haven't heard that. It's where the CVS is in the south side of town. Gotcha. So I think there's a role for us in this. Not like we're going to fix everything. But there are roles for other people like, you know, the Select Board and the EDC. Yeah. But not necessarily a task force. Yeah. That's sort of my sense. I just, zoning, in my opinion, should be handled by a small group of people like Yeah. So that we don't wind up with the kind of zoning bylaws that we already have, which are incomprehensible of places. Right. We just need to catch a break from the legislature and from large applications so that we can do stuff like this. Like we had a nice break and we worked on this. Yeah. And then we got to Dover applications and shut everything else down. Yes. Well, we worked on this between Veritas and these two. Yeah. So that's, we had a couple of in-person meetings where we kind of talked through all of this. Right. So that was in between. Wow. Robin has a steel trap there. Only for useless information. If it's important, I'm sure to forget it. So that's why she's the vice chair, soon to be chair.
She said with glee.
Okay. So, um, so where do you, is there anything you want to go at? More on this stuff? When we have time, I think we want to finalize the list of what's permitted and not permitted. But I thought we were pretty close. Pretty close. I thought we were. I thought we were. Pretty good shape there. And then start working on the actual zoning information. And it's a lot of stuff, you know, setbacks and parking. And ways to. And perhaps height. And height. And then to, you know, particularly height if you're including housing. Yeah. So that's a way to incentivize housing is if we'll give you a break on the height if you're including housing. We talked about that a lot. Like it was. Because we don't need office space in town. I'm pretty sure that's pretty clear. Housing. So you can get a break on your house on the height if you're including housing. And ways to encourage pooling of parking resources, especially.
But once we actually have a lot of time to do this, we can have meetings where we invite special guests, CDC, the select board, the DRV. And we started doing that. Yes. If you'll recall, we had the. To get some import. To get wastewater. Is that the task force? Yes. Not really. Are you asking this? Like what is the task force? I think I sent you and I'll send it again. I know. I saw. Yeah. It didn't help. Yeah. It just was stuff. It wasn't going to move the ball. No. And what time are we on the agenda? We're on the 9th. We don't know yet. Last time we kept this waiting quite a while. I'm going to try and not have us kept waiting. I'm going to try and set up a time. But got to see what else is going to fall into place that we have to fit in that evening.
Okay. So keep thinking about it and think about what you each would like to say to the select board so that I don't have to do all the time.
Well, isn't our objective to hear from them on what they're looking for? I think it's to discuss with them what they're thinking. And I don't know about looking for it because I'm not sure what they're looking for. Yeah. I mean, what they're thinking with the charge. Did you read the charge? Yeah. A while ago. You could summarize it, Jesse, if you need it.
I'd have to pull it up. Okay. It just, it didn't seem to be advancing the ball. Yeah. Yeah. It just seemed. Yeah. I'd like go back. Let's get more people involved. Yeah. I mean, we had a reasonable number of people involved in the hearings. Yeah. I mean, I think other than perhaps a market study, and even then I'm not a fan. I mean, we've gotten it to the point where we know what the townspeople want. And it's a matter of getting the right people to do the implementation. And that's not a task force. Yeah, zoning properly so we can. At this point, it needs funding and action on the projects that are outlined here.
Like, I'm just going to point them back to this. Just be like, what can we do to move some of this stuff along? Because there is some good ideas here. Right. I agree. Can you do that in the zoning we did?
With what they proposed, yes. We were talking about doing more. Yeah, we're going above and beyond. Yeah. Trying to encourage, you know, other businesses to come into this area. Yeah. This is more about like, you know, how's the look and feel going to be? Right. But even that helps with the businesses coming in. It's like, what do we do first? I'm hoping that the terrain and this new cafe, the bistro will hopefully increase that people actually want to be in that area. So if I'm on a business, hopefully the interest raises a little bit. I'm like, oh, there's a nice cafe. Right. And there's one. So that DEC said that they're hearing more interest. Oh, we've had no bites of the apple for the general windows. Yeah. So nobody's come in to talk. No, I mean, I've reached out to many different organizations and companies across the U.S. and trying to market this driver window. Right. Right. Nobody has bought the apple yet. Yeah. And even in the town center, they need to have the stuff maybe on Route 20 that would help them because there's really nothing here that you would want to come. I do think this is the volleyball place will hopefully drive some of our business. And I know we've had discussions with the volleyball place, Boston volleyball. Oh, volleyball. I'm hoping that they've also discussed with them, like, why don't you guys try to get a liquor license? You know, try to have people stay. Because one of the issues that people see at the time is you come, you shop, you leave. How do you get people to stick around, get a cup of coffee, go play volleyball, grab some groceries? There's no place to get coffee anymore, is there? Not yet. Chocolate therapy. Very good. Oh, they have coffee? I'm thinking back to town meeting. And cappuccinos, actually better than Sudbury coffee. I think I love these people. I'm thinking back to town. Yes, they are. I had no idea that they had coffee. I'm thinking back to town meeting last year where that guy got up there and he was like, I just want to go get a coffee on my way to work. Oh, that was, uh, Adam Gutz. That was, uh, Adam Gutz.
Whenever they finish their project, just wants a cup of coffee. He didn't want to get out of the car. Yeah, right, right. That's right. That's right. Anyway. Okay. Okay. So keep thinking about it. And, um, Robert, if you can find the notes that we did put together. Probably in the minutes. I think it's in the minutes. Yeah, you can take what we have in the minutes there and put that into like a little sort of. And this was, this was in the charge. When did we get the charge? When, uh, what charge? Like a problem for the task force for the task force? Yeah. I don't know. I have it. I didn't bring it tonight. I don't think I brought it tonight. I have it. It was, um, beginning of January. I think.
Yeah. Uh, no, beginning. No, it was in December, the end of December, maybe. That was, uh, earlier than that. Really? Before the last few. Three. All right. So this was. Busy meetings. I thought. Carol and Annette, December 15th. December 15th. Part of its fiscal year 26th objective to further the Route 24 are about participating in a joint task force. A draft charge will be presented. The select board will be reviewing the revised charge at its 1-5 meeting. Before we reconvene, we wanted to reach out to the planning board to confirm if the planning board plans to establish a task force. Great. And then, then we, I sent the, um, when I saw the charge on the webpage, I sent that to us, to the planning board after that, so it would be after the 15th of December. Here we go.
Select board hereby establishes a route 20 master planning task force as an ad hoc, temporary advisory conveyed to assist in efforts by regarding upcoming route 20 master planning will guide and oversee the preparation or comprehensive planning document for route 20. Reference to route 20 means portion of route 20 between the unitarian church and slipper. And the nine voting members appointed by and serving at the pleasure of the select board with seven appointees to be members and or designated by the following committees boards, select board, planning board, zoning board of appeals, EDC, Wayland housing partnership, finance committee, and department of politics, and two citizens of the town for our at-large positions. And then the charge.
Request that the recommending boards designate members ideally with professional expertise or town experience, um, responsibilities include, but are not limited to, advise on RFPs for services and independent scopes of work, uh, consider adopting a selection criteria point system or other quantitative or qualitative evaluation system, participate in bid meetings or interviews, review bids, evaluate qualifications, make recommendations to the select board and town manager's office for consultant selections. Once a master planning firm has been selected, see, like, I don't know, I feel like we already did that. We did. Um, the route 20 task force responsibilities for route 20 master planning and efforts will include, but are not limited to, act as the town's liaison with the route 20 master plan firm during the scope of master plan services, facilitate public forums, uh, facilitate public polls, review and provide input to consultants, coordinate with the select board and town resources through completion of the planning efforts as necessary. Finalize final route 20 master plan with master plan firm, make recommendations to the select board and the planning board as the zoning changes and if desired by the select board and are the planning board assist those boards with post town meeting articles related to route 20 zoning and communicate task force progress and outcomes. I feel like we've already done their job for them. We have, we have a bunch of information we can hand over to them and they can hit the ground running if that's what they really want to do. Who wants to do? The select board establishing this task force. Yeah. Just, um, so you know, under state law, the responsibility for master plans is exclusively with the planning board. Um, do we know if they actually talked about this on the 5th? I have no idea. I don't, I don't think so. That was, that was a Monday night meeting and they had a lot on that. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't, it doesn't seem to advance the ball. It seems to start all over again. Yeah. To me, it, it reads like we do. It reads like they didn't look at this data group plan. Number one. And, and number two, like, you know, maybe they, it's, it reads like they want to start over. Do we want to present what data did or are they aware? They've already, we've heard, yeah, we had that meeting with them already. We've already done that, right? We've had several of them and they came to our forums as well. I mean, I, I, I think. Can we suggest that what they need is if they need anything is an economic task force and not. I think, I think we kind of got through that for years, like, you know, what, what, what are we doing on, as far as market study for what could potentially come in or want to come in here? And how can we unblock any obstacles that would prevent that? Like, that's really what it is. And it can act on the stuff that the data group together. Chunk these things out into smaller projects and figure out how to move them. And we can make the changes to the zoning that we've been talking about. We can help. So yeah, like, we've already done most of that. Except for the chunking it out of the projects, funding it, and getting it done part. If the, if people don't like the data group plan, then we kind of need to know that. But even if they don't like the data group plan, I mean, they, they said they did, but even if they don't like it, what options are there to do something significantly different? You need some cash to do that in time. Yeah, funding. You need money to do it again. And you just, you just did it. So why would you do another plan again and spend more time? Take that money and build the little trail so I can walk up to the stop and shop. You don't need that. I will. It's going to cost them a hundred thousand bucks at least to just do everything we just said. Yeah. At the last time it was more than 85,000 that we already spent. I mean, I, I came in and there was already selected. Beta was selected. The scope of the work was selected. Like, it just feel like everything was like rushed to get started as, as I started. If it was pushed back to lit, we could have actually had like a better foundation. A better scope of work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was really a landscaping plant. I mean, that is what they were hired to do. I'm not, well, the ones that are in charge were not planners. They had no, like, planning experience. They were landscape architects. And then, yeah, that's why, that's why it looks the way it does then. Yeah. Correct. Makes sense. And the only problem that I can put it at the end, it's like way too late.
Do you have some Milo on the side? Let's do it. Now we have some time. Okay. Hey, all right. Let's run the road. Oh, okay. You have a fine marker. I have two, actually. Nice. You have two. All right. I actually bought one too and gave him one.
All right. Look at the rolls. It is. I don't like it, but it seems like it's here. It is. It is. That's what I'm saying. It's right there.
We shouldn't scrap that. We should use it and augment it as needed. Yeah.
Let's do it. I'll go with it.
So far off. I don't think it's not. It's what people said they wanted. I know.
I mean, the town center project stuff, it's been the same, even before the town center project, people were looking at taking the Raytheon site and doing something with it. That's a good thing. We finally got it. It's been the same thing that people have wanted the entire time. Yeah. Yeah. We all have a picture. And they wanted ice cream shops. It had ice cream shops, but they didn't get it. Yeah. They didn't get enough. Yeah. So they left. Coffee shop. Right. Exactly. Right. It might seem like you're taking a long time, but we can't start before age 15 because it's, oh, okay. But I've enjoyed listening to all of you. Somebody does. You're the only one. Well, it's informative. Yes. Yes. If you have to be here, just stop it.
I should have brought snacks. We should make t-shirts.
Is there just one that we're signing? We're just signing, signing sheet one. No, two. There's two sheets. Oh, I didn't. I'm just looking right at it. I'll get it. If I need it, I'll ask them. But it's just starting. All right. Yeah, I can do that. Fall out. Oh, jeez. I was going to say, what am I signing? No, I don't. Robert, you checked it and everything's okay. Six o'clock is hard for meetings for you, isn't it? Take what, the 7th? Yes, it is. Mostly because I just can't eat dinner at 4 o'clock. Exactly. Right? Even eating at 5.30 is like, oh, my gosh.
You know, it's before 6.30 for meetings. Yeah. It's difficult. Just, it's good. I usually wrap up work at around 4 and it's good to have a chance to review anything else I have to review or just get outside and walk around and clear my head. Yeah, I know. It makes you just move. I know, but, you know, today it was.
Guessing you're sticking around for the articles? Are you here for the zoning articles? I mean, I'm guessing you're here for the zoning articles? Sure. Was there one article you're here for? She didn't want me to share with me. Was there one article you didn't listen to? Do you have comments here? Oh, did you receive my letter? I sent the letter. She thinks that... Which letter was it? Oh, my gosh. Did you say not? Yes. Yes, they said something. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, and I was just interested in hearing what the discussion would be. Yeah. I'm surprised there aren't more people. Well, it's not 815. So, if you don't measure. So, if you want me to go on Zoom. And I was in her house all day on Sunday and, like, she didn't say anything. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. If anybody asked me if I'll be an executor, the answer is... I've done it already. I'm done. Yeah, I mean, this is... It's not like I could say no to my parents. No, I understand. For families, you know, first order family, it's different. It's different, but... Yeah. I mean, they spread it around, but I wound up doing a huge amount. Yeah. It's the pits. Yeah. I was taking a pit stop.
Once we get to talking about the zoning, whatever's going forward to town meeting, I hope that those of you who've been responsible will take the lead for presenting the things at town meeting. Yeah, I figured it out. Yeah, I figured it out. Okay. They learned on that. We'll have to, depending on what else we do, we'll have to figure out who does the housekeeping, and who does the... Remember when we used to have reporters come to our meetings? Yes. Years ago. When it was exciting. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. And what? Reporters. We used to have live reporters. When there was a paper. Now they just do it by AI, and they get stuff. They sort of really screwed up sometimes. It's very funny. It is. Yeah. Do we know what article she's here for? What? Yeah. The ADU, because she sent us a note. Oh, okay. So you know she was... Oh, I was hoping she was a reporter. No. Yeah. Well, I'll start off with that one, so she... Yeah, if you can do that, it'd be great. That's what she's here for. We have about five more minutes. Yeah. Is there anything you need to tell us, Robert? Is there anything happening that we need to know about? Yeah. Well, it was the appeal of the Verity Christian Academy site plan. Yeah. As you hear about ZBA on next Tuesday, so... It's going to be heard on Tuesday. Yeah. They're going to hear it on Tuesday. They're not going to continue it. I went online to... And they're going to continue it? They're not going to continue it. Oh, they're not. They originally wanted to continue it, and then they realized that it's going to delay more. So they was like, we'll just go. I looked at the application online. It really wasn't quite... I couldn't... It needed more detail to be able to figure out what was wrong. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What is the issue? They have a list of issues that they have concerns about. A neighbor. The neighbor. The neighbor. Yeah. I drove by. I see... The Aqua Protection District to the construction license that we pulled it was expired. There's a whole laundry list of stuff that they have issues with. The scope of it has been changed and modified. The guy who pulled the permits license is expired? Yeah, but it was expired. It didn't even think it wasn't... It's... It's... It's... It's traumatic. It's careless. Yeah. So I can see that they're concerned, but they're going to plant trees after the fact. But it is traumatic. It's happening with... Yeah, but I haven't... That's... I only did because... I only looked because I heard folks complaining at the select board meeting. Yes, I watched the whole table. I drew a slide. I watched it to see today to see what we'll discuss. I was just curious. You know, it was probably a good 20, 20 minutes of public comments. It was a lot. And then... I saw a layer of the screen. Oh my gosh. Poor him. I did. It's embarrassing. But I had to drop off. It was daytime. And like... It's not embarrassing. We had to go... I got five minutes with the slide board. Yeah. Yeah. And it just kept going on and on. And like... I gotta eat better. You're real. Did I see there's two select board seats opening up? Yes. I don't eat. I don't eat. I don't eat. I don't eat. I don't eat. Boy, I don't eat. There. Your seat is up this year too. Huh? I think your seat is up this year. It is. Uh... Yeah. At the end of town meeting. Are you gonna do that? Uh, no. I don't think it is. Oh. It doesn't seem like... Have you talked to you? I haven't, but I have from a reliable source that you will. So we need an associate member. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you would... I called everyone I knew for two years. You're younger. I'll ask. Yeah. Sorry to lose you. I wonder how you could handle all the committees in this too. Yeah. So we're losing a lot. You haven't always had this. Yeah. No, you don't have to, I guess, either. I didn't mean to be filling us through that. I didn't mean to be filling us through that. I didn't mean to be filling us through that. I didn't mean to be filling us through that. No, it's good. I like moving through, trying different things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. About water service. Will you talk? Will you talk to me? Sure. Sure. Yeah, because he actually has to run again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He does? Yeah. I will. I'll reach out to him. Have you been here for five years? Or did you come here? No. It doesn't feel like that. No. Oh, it does. I've only been here for only two years, and it feels like five years. That's running my time. Two more minutes. Two more minutes? Three more. Three more? Three more? Look at the computer. Robert, is it a public letter going regarding the Veritas Academy, what the issues are? Yeah, it's on the web page for the zoning board. I think it's on the zoning board. It's zoning board. It's on the web page. And it's under, I think, applications. And it's there. All right. Because I read it. All right. And did you get notified? How do we? That's the only one clip, too. If you also look at this agenda, the Cafe Bistro is applying for a site plan approval for outdoor dining. And the only reason why. Collins' Market. Where Collins' Market is. Oh, okay. Oh. They got an approval for a restaurant already. Oh, good deal. The only reason why that we made is the ZBA is going to hear the case is because they just, just went through with the special permit process. And me and the building commissioner thought it would make more, it would be less confusing if we just made them go through the ZBA because they just got approved for the restaurant. If this, if this was, you know, three months later, then we would just have to go to the planning board. Just like Dunkin' Donuts will be coming back from the planning board. For outside seating, it's generally. It's usually planning board, but we've, we've had a lot of issues in the pathway. It's so confusing. I had to go here, I had to go here, here, here, here. Yeah. It's so slow. So like, we're just like, if you. But if, if they had applied at one time. They should have, yeah. And then we would have just given comments. And. So I'm not, I'm not trying to like. Um, it's in the center of town, the, the old building with the, um, columns. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's great. It's a new restaurant. Yeah. There's no part in there. Yeah. That's what I said. What was it? So it was a market or something? Yeah. It used to be. I mean, it's only been like law offices and real estate offices. Right. Well, it used to be a, it used to be a grocery store. I used to show up there. Yeah. You're talking about Collins. Yeah. There's a grocery store. Yeah. I don't know. But Vincent's, but I don't remember. Yeah. So eventually Dunkin' Donuts has come back. Cause they want to do outdoor dining for the front. Or not. Dunkin' Donuts. Yeah. They want to do, have like some patio. Yeah. And the other decision says he had come back to the front. So. So one before the CEO. So. That's two plans. Come on. It's in there. I said the team. Speak for team. Madam Chair. Thank you very much. Moving on. In a court, I'm going to read, we're moving on to public hearing on proposed amendments to the zoning bylaw chapter 198 of the code of the town of Wayland. And we had an accompanying list of, in the legal notice of the specific sections, which I will read quickly. In accordance with the provisions of Massachusetts general law, chapter 48, section five, the Wayland planning board will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, January 7th, 2026 at 8.15 PM to discuss and receive comments on the following proposed amendments to the town's zoning bylaw and zoning maps chapter 198 of the code of the town of Wayland. And there are six. Five. Five. One. One. One. Two. Four. One. 候.
2707.1, the MBTA community's multifamily housing overlay district to adjust dimensional requirements and aggregate limits specifically to increase the maximum building height and maximum units per acre in the Route 20 West sub district. The third for consideration is to amend 198-104, 198-201, 198-205, 198-302, 198-401, 198-1559, 198-1602, 198-2002, 198-2201, 198-2206, 198-2207, 198-2302, 198-2303, 198-2309-11, 198-2201, 198-2506.5 to make minor changes in the nature of housekeeping. The fourth proposal is to amend 198-104 definitions and add a new section 198-707, ground-mounted solar ultra-versaic installations to establish dimensional and performance standards for the installation of ground-mounted solar installations and battery energy storage systems by write, site plan review, or special permit, depending on the size of the installation. The fifth proposal is to amend 198-104 definitions and 198-901 permitted uses in a single residence district to reflect the Massachusetts Attorney General's revisions to the accessory dwelling unit provisions at 198-901 to allow and also to allow larger accessory dwelling units by special permit approval from the planning board for 198-901.1.3 and to allow affordable accessory dwelling units by right for 198-901.1.4. Conforming amendments are also proposed to 198 attachment three of the table of permitted principal uses by district and 198-198 attachment five table of permitted accessory uses by district. And the notice did appear in the newspaper at the appointed times. Did you remember the dates, Robert? It was the Tuesday 30th and the 23rd of December. December the 23rd and December the 30th. So I'd like to open the hearing this evening. Just because we are discussing these does not necessarily mean that they will be proposed at town meeting. Some of the things we are we are really trying to get to town meeting this year, but we had a lot of things that we had to work on. So can I ask if you're here for any particular one and perhaps we can start with that unless you want to go through everything while you're here. I'm here for the special committee of ADUs. I am as well. I think we have different reasons for that. Okay. Why don't we start then with the ADUs and Robin will do the charge here. It's got a special format. I need to follow. I do have slides if you want to read. Oh, yeah. Cool. Usually what we do is give an overview. So the overview is, as I think the people who are here are aware, and I think many townspeople are aware, we had to change our ADU bylaws last year because of changes in the law. And we had to be careful not to overreach so that we didn't fail to pass the ADU bylaws that we needed. But that left us with really rolled back ADU provisions. And so this year, we aim to correct that and to allow more options for people. So we are changing definitions and changing provisions so that the 900 square foot ADU that is by right under the statute is still in place. And we've expanded that so that affordable ADUs can also be by right, which we couldn't have done before. So we're doing that now. And then to set up procedures for getting approval for larger ADUs. And we have not set a firm sort of maximum size, but it's a special permit. So you come through the planning board and seek approval. And then there are several different criteria that will be used to determine, you know, what would be permitted based on lot size, house size, everything. And other than that, there aren't too many things that are changing, it looks like a lot is changing, but it's weird to change so much of the wording. So it looks like a lot is changing, you still have to have Board of Health approval and septic plans, you have to have separate entrance, you have to have different amounts of parking depending on what you're doing. Under certain circumstances, multiple units are allowed. You were restricted in the original bylaw to the only way you could have multiple units was if they were in a freestanding house. And now and for a freestanding structure. So there are some changes there as well. And that is the bulk of the changes just sort of in brief. So if there are any public comments, love to hear them. Susan Crawley- I'm Susan Crawley- Bechtel, 38 Moore Road. Susan Crawley- I think Susan Crawley- Just talk louder. Susan Crawley- Is this good? Susan Crawley- Bechtel, 38 Moore Road. And I had written to you this past week, I don't know if you did get my letters. So I hope that sort of covered my reasons for being here. Susan Crawley- My husband and I, as I wrote my letter, very much want to stay here. Susan Crawley- And I'm really glad I got to this meeting early because it's become clear to me that Wayland really needs a population. And we want to stay, our children are already living in our house with us. Susan Crawley- And so many of my friends would like to do the same thing. And we're
Susan Crawley- have a plan right now that does conform to all of the regulations. We've already had the Board of Health come. The septic design is in place. But the problem is 900 square feet is really too small for two people who want to age in place. And we've worked and worked and worked on this design with our architect. And it's just really impossible to sort of get something that's nice and livable with passageways for a potential wheelchair down the road. I mean, David and I are Susan Crawley- We're going to find now, but we want to stay here. And so I'm really encouraging the Board to consider, at least in the case of, this would just be a small attached ADU to our house. We're not talking thousands of square feet footage, but we need something better, like maybe 150 or 200, excuse me, 200 more feet to make this doable. Susan Crawley- So 1100 square feet, 900 is as of right. Susan Crawley- Yeah. Yes. And so we're, I just wanted to impress upon the Board that we're not talking about anything that wouldn't conform, that wouldn't, you know, fit very nicely with our neighbors. And our neighbors also support this. And I know there are other issues with people wanting to put multiple houses on large lots. But in our case, and for a lot of other people, seniors who want to stay, I really hope you'll give this good consideration so that we can, can do this. Can I ask a question from those, those people you're made reference to, are they all looking for larger space as well? Is that an issue for them that you've heard? Susan Crawley- Friends of mine? Susan Crawley- Yeah, that you've mentioned. Yeah. Susan Crawley- Yeah. They think it's a great idea. We love this town. We don't want to leave. Susan Crawley- But it's the, it's the living area of 900 square feet, do you hear from everyone pretty much that that's too small? Susan Crawley- Yes. Susan Crawley- But for, again, Susan Crawley- 1100, you know, not a big deal for a special permit, but is that we've been struggling with how large we should allow. Because some people might want to put on a house that's the size of another house or build a separate one on a property. And, and I'm speaking just for myself, if you're going to build a second house on a property, I think you should subdivide and, and create a sec, a separate lot because it deals with taxation and the monies that the town gets and what it has to support. So that's what I'm just trying to understand. I mean, do your friends think that 1100 is this is appropriate as well or more? Susan Crawley- Well, we're far ahead of them. We're sort of the Susan Crawley- first. Vanguard. Vanguard. And so as many of our friends have heard about this, they say this is really great. They don't want to leave. Nobody. People would like to stay here. And our kids are now here. I might add, I know Susan. I've been in her house. They have a very large lot. Susan Crawley- Oh, I'm Jim Grumbach. Seven Wintrapp Road. I'm on the Wintrapp Partnership. Susan, you might tell them something about the size of your lot. I think that's an important consideration. Susan Crawley- Right. It's just under an acre. Susan Crawley- So it's a large lot. There are no, it's a large lot in Wintrapp. Susan Crawley- Okay. It's a significantly sized lot that there's no issue in sidelines or front line or rear line or any. It's not coming close to a conflict. So, you know, she, Susan has said 1100. From my perspective, first of all, you're doing it by special permit. So, the fact that it's special permit gives an opportunity to put a limit on it. Secondly, I think it would be a mistake to come up with an artificial number of 1100 square feet. I think that just doesn't make sense. And I'm here with respect to the same issue, but not for the Bechtel's house. I'm here on behalf of the Wayland Housing Partnership, who, as you know, has an interest in this. And I wanted to point out that one of our members noted that in the current housing production plan, the town is urged to adopt zoning that will allow duplexes by right on property zoned as single family residences. Now, there's been discussion of this on a nationwide basis.
Our interest is in allowing as much in the way of ADUs by right as possible, because I think it will make them more popular. It will make people less likely to shy away. Now, I don't want to put no limit on them. And I understand, having been on the zoning board for well over 15 years, I understand why there is a rationale for having a limit on the amount. And I don't have a set answer here. But, you know, I think it's important to allow flexibility. And I think a special permit does that. On the other hand, one of the points behind the state's statute on ADUs is to really incentivize people to do that and to take away as many barriers as possible. And my concern is that by having it by special permits rather than as of right, as we did in the first step, that's a disincentive. So I just wanted to point that out. One of the reasons that we chose to keep the as of right at 900 is because that was what the state prescribed. And all the case law that will come out about it will be dealing with those as of right. And we didn't want to be at odds with those. It would just be very difficult. Understood. Understood. But I think the town can be more liberal if it wants to be. I think my understanding is the state law is a minimum. It is. But if we so what what the chair is trying to explain is if we set a by right number that's different, let's say we used 1100 as the by right number. Then any case law that came out over litigation about the new law would be questionable in how it applied to our bylaws. I'm not I'm not suggesting that we scrap the 900 square feet. I'm suggesting that with larger lots where there's no conflict with the lot lines or boundaries or front or any of the zoning requirements, it be allowed to be a greater amount. And as I said, I'm not prescribing 1100 square feet or any specific number. I mean, every lot is different. And I'm not suggesting that we allow people to build five to use on one parcel. You know, we think that that's something that the planning board would seem more of as a subdivision or something like that. But what I am suggesting is that it it it allow for larger ADUs, at least by special permit based on the size of a lot and and no conflict with the sidelines, etc. That is what we're trying. That is what I understand. And I just it's in there. No, thank you. Nice to see you tonight. What we were saying is that we struggled about whether we should put a finite number that was a maximum and in the end decided to leave it flexible so that it was something that when the special permit came before us, we could look at it because maybe it's a one acre lot, but maybe somebody has a six acre lot. We did. We did talk about percentage of lot size. No, I understand. And I apologize. I was a little late tonight. I went to the town hall, had a nice opportunity to meet people there.
May I say to when I mentioned 1100 square feet, I think someone here asked me how much are we talking about? And just so you can sort of see what we're envisioning. That's why I said 1100 square feet. Right. Like Jim, I don't suggest that's the magic number that should be used for everyone. But in terms of
just opening up the possibility and having it done case by case so that people can be optimistic about staying and being able to build something that's comfortable. Yes. Have you been able to read the bylaw proposed changes? This? Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yes. I had gone down and Robert gave it to me. Did you have problems with anything on it? Pardon me? Did you have issues with anything in the language of the bylaw? No, I didn't. It wasn't that I had issues. I'm here to encourage this board to just be. We want to do it. Yeah. And I also had wondered where you'd gotten in terms of square footage, whatever. And I understand it's not decided yet. But so we're, we, we have decided in that we're going to do 900 square feet as by right. And that everything else, if it's special permit, will be flexible and give ourselves as a board the ability to make that call. We have taken all the factors that are involved, the lot lines, the lot size, all of that. And even the needs of the parts. I mean, there could be an applicant with the applicant is already wheelchair bound and knows they need special sizing for things and a larger bathroom to accommodate, um, you know, wheelchair and things like that. So we're trying to allow ourselves as much flexibility so that we can pass that on to our property owners. Um, so, and so it sounds like you didn't have any specific issues with what we've drafted for today. Correct. Yeah. And I think we're both here to support you and to support your writing as vigorous a, uh, provision as possible, allowing flexibility. I know neither of us has a problem with flexibility, but to the extent we can cut down on, uh, if there's any way to grant more as of right, I think we would favor the planning board considering that. And now I also have Rachel Pratt. That's also online. Okay. Um, there's also one other person here as well. Did you want to come up here and take my share? And we'll deal with Rachel. Hi. Um, Shano, member de Suarez, 56 Orchard Lane. I'm also a member of the Wayland Housing Partnership. So, um, supportive of all the points that, uh, Jim made, um, especially looking forward at the state housing production plan. Would this be an opportunity to see how we may or may not want to align with what's coming to the future? But, um, what I wanted to ask is we've been focusing so much on the 900 square feet, but the, I mean, the other criteria, um, in the state is, you know, percent of gross floor area. So I'm wondering if for Wayland, where we generally have larger homes, which there may be, um, there may, there may be a number of people, um, in Wayland, um, relative to other towns with smaller homes who might want to divide within their home with a little addition. And I'm wondering if that, um, would give more flexibility if you wanted to have a guideline that had some limitation, um, to, to just state, you know, no more than 50 or even 30 percent of gross floor area. So we haven't, yeah, so we haven't done that because we decided instead to, to put flexibility in there because while it's easy to imagine wanting to put a limit where that, where the, the primary home is giant, um, that same limitation would apply when somebody had a smaller home and it might be, it might mean they couldn't even put on 900 square feet. And so we wanted to still, for the special permit process, leave ourselves flexibility so that we were making sure that whatever is constructed is in keeping with the lot, the neighborhood, the every, everything. Um, you know, we've got criteria in there, the things that we'll look at and some of that is lot coverage and, um, things like that. So, um, again, we were striving for flexibility. I agree with all of that criteria. I'm just wondering whether the focus on the 900 square feet as opposed to the other part of that clause, which is in the state code, um, might be a more appropriate focus for. But once you go into the special permit process for anything other than the 900 square feet and the percentage of gross floor area, then it, it falls on us to make that decision and not set criteria, which is what we thought because we have such a variety of housing in mainland and such a variety in lot sizes that we thought that that flexibility was going to serve us well so that we're not back here saying, oh, we made a mistake. We need to change it. So we thought we'd try flexibility. Anybody else have anything? What would be great is if a bunch of special permits come to us. Yeah. Wonderful. And I think once it passes, we will probably, there's, there is probably a bit of a, a backlog of people who are waiting to jump in. And, you know, that was one shortcoming of the, the state law is that it was 900 square feet. Whereas in Wayland, we could have accommodated a larger number than that, but that's what they picked because they went for a one size fits all statute. And that was difficult for us to deal with at the town meeting last year, but even in constituent, some of the houses, it's 900 square feet or 50% of the existing, um, it's going to be tough to even hit 900 square feet. Yeah. So, you know, but is 900 square feet, somebody had mentioned that it's a minimum. That's not the way I read the law. It's not as though it has to be at least nine. No, no, no. Yeah, it's, but it's smaller of 900 square feet or 50% of the house. So, do you have any other comments? Okay. Thank you very much. Good work. Thank you. Yep.
Um, hi there, Rachel Bratt. 26. Hello, everybody. 26 Torina Road. Uh, I just want to echo my colleagues on the housing partnership and just underscore that we really appreciate the planning board's, um, promotion of flexibility and it's really significant interest and support for promoting ADUs. Um, as we hopefully continue to generate some interest from homeowners in town in building or creating ADUs. Um, we're going to be looking forward to seeing how that flexibility will be exercised and we hope that we can learn from the various proposals that hopefully come before you, uh, about how the planning board will respond and perhaps at some point we can see this even more. But in the meantime, I think we're in a learning process and I think your promotion of the idea of flexibility is really the, uh, only way that we can, um, proceed at this point. And, uh, hopefully we will see some real, uh, energy coming forward. So this is just the thank you and an underscoring that we continue to be enthusiastic and, um, the flexibility does seem to be warranted at this point. So thanks very much. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other comments, Robert?
Um, in reviewing these materials, did the board see anything that it thought needed tweaking? A few places where you just need to take some words out, like what's facing and that's it. Okay. That's just like small. There's nothing subject-wise. It's just formatting stuff. Yeah. Format stuff there. I can finish. When we submit this, it should have a brief write-up of like 150 words about what this is about. Is that something we can draft? Because that goes on the, uh, application. I'm assuming we want to go ahead with this one this year. Yeah. Yes. You too. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised in a few years to come back and like, adjust it a little bit. Maybe, maybe after we see a bunch of special programs. Yeah. But, but at this point, we have to allow the special programs. Because there's still, there's so many people coming into my office all the time saying, I wish, I want to do this. And what you said, the ADU, the, uh, essential piece too. People who, who, who need bigger bathrooms or bigger kitchens, like that, this is what it's built for is to allow those kind of options too, where it's like, I just a thousand feet. And I see a thousand feet to do what I want to do, but this at least gives someone an option. Well, I think it's interesting because the, um, the Healy administration has put out, they've gone on the, they had to, I think on channel five, they did sort of a little news story and they show of an older couple going through their ADU and I'm watching it going there. It's no way that is 900 square feet. Wait, it looks bigger. Oh yeah. It's a two, it's a two bedroom house. Oh geez. Yeah. I mean, you gotta wonder how they picked 900. Right. I think if you're looking at a, an urban or semi urban town, then I think there are a lot of places where that is all you're going to be able to fit, but one size fits all might've been. We wouldn't do, we wouldn't have done this last year, but we just want to make anything so complex and have the article completely flock and then we're out of compliance. So. Because it, so if we went larger than 900 square feet, if we allowed the special permit process, we had to have a two thirds vote at town meeting. And we were worried that if we didn't get that, we'd end up with nothing and have no bylaws. So there you go. It's. Yeah. So thank you for coming and I will work on the summary. Thank you. Do you have comments on any of the other zoning articles? That was good. Sorry. Vote yes.
Thank you all. I voted yes.
It's not a bad idea for the partnership to do that. If you guys really want this passed, you guys need to make sure you get the word out. Yeah. At town meeting. I mean, let's take an idea of that. We will.
So this is the final version. This is the final version. We'll discuss it tonight, making tweaks, but that'll be sent next week to the select board. And that'll be the final version that goes to town meeting. And I think an important population to get on board are your children and their friends who might also be interested in doing something like that. It's, it's wonderful of all of our more mature residents are in favor of this, but it's helpful to have more of a cross-section to the last meeting, but it kind of was, um, well, it's definitely a way for younger people to get into town. Right. Take over their parents' house and kick the parents out to the yard. And move in. Parents go to the way they're going to work out. So this past, this past, this past, this past meeting, we'll just say, they'll go to the microphone and give you a story again. And to say, I am, and I will, I really want to do this too. Thank you. Thank you.
You never tell me, you never know. You never tell me, you know, it shows up. Do we have any other public comment on any, anybody else on there to talk about? We haven't gotten, I don't think so right now. It's fine. We'll have to go for each article. Are there people watching? There's four people watching. One's Rachel and one's, uh, Bill Sterling. And there's two of you will decide wait here. Okay, um, do any of those people who are listening? Shh, I have questions. You, Jim, hi.
Do any of the people who are listening online have a particular, uh, one of the bylaws that they would like to go over so that then they can leave the meeting?
So raise your hand. Yeah, raise your hand.
I don't think so. Okay, good. Okay. Um, why don't we need the microphone here? Yeah.
Why don't we do the, uh, MBTA communities, multi-family housing, uh, proposed change now, because it's not that difficult. Um, the, uh, owner of land in the, uh, Route 20, west sub district of the multi-family housing, uh, zoning district that we created just recently. So that's down by Longfellow. Yes. Down by Longfellow and the Sudbury town line, um, had requested two changes, um, in the dimensional requirements and aggregate limits at 27.7.1. Uh, the first was, uh, an increase in the maximum units per acre from 20 to 32. And then an increase in maximum building height from 35 to 58. Um, and this proposal would be for, um, a building that is well below Route 20. So that what would be showing, uh, from the grade of Route 20 would be approximately 30 feet high, I believe. Um, and it would look like the building when you're driving, but it would be, uh, shorter than what you see when you go by the Oxbow building. Um, I believe the board, uh, thinks this is a fine idea. The project I think is ready to, uh, to go if this passes, um, and it would be a wonderful opportunity to have more multi-family housing in Wayland. Um, are there any public comments on this? I see no hands up. No. Okay. Um, does the board have what to go ahead with us this year? We do. I would add the comments in case people don't notice. The maximum units per acre jumping up to 32. It puts it in line with River's Edge with Oxbow. Okay. Yep. Uh, can I write the, the short write-up for this one? Yep. We're just getting one vote at the end? I think so. Um, unless you want to do individual voting. No, I think it, unless this, this is, I would just do it, just do it again. Okay. At this point. So that was... Housekeeping? Housekeeping's on the back side of that as well. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Let's talk about the housekeeping here. So housekeeping, this is a phase one of, we got suggested revisions from the top web from the eco company, and this is just the first phase of it. The easy changes that, to change from DHCD to ELOC and making very small changes that would be beneficial to, as we go through, as we reference, it's outdated to call the Masters Use Department of Housing and Community Development, while they rebranded the name, and then the Haley penetration. Also to clean up, just clean up, put a few pieces in here. One is about the overlay district in the mixed-use overlay, where the underlying zoning district is still active, and that's what we hope to clean them up. So that it would, what was intended when the mixed-use overlay district was created, was that once, I think it was the first occupancy permit issued, or building permit, that the underlying zoning, which is limited commercial, would go away. But that didn't happen because of the way that they worded the bylaw. And now the proposal is to have it go away, so that all that is active in that area for a zoning district is the mixed-use overlay.
Might work.
Any other public comments about this?
How does the board feel with going ahead with this one this year? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. I would assume that I'll be asking every year, to be honest, if we have anything. Right. I kind of have like a list of like, oh, this needs to be changed. This needs to be changed. So that's pretty difficult a lot. A giant housekeeping list and just, every year you just modify when you get this. Well, especially when the state agency has changed its name. Yeah. I mean, that we have to change that. Right. But we always say, and, or as amended. Sure. Yeah. We have the... Well, that's for thinking, but... Because we don't say it now. We need to make sure we keep it. So, the... So, in some places, it's already a successor agency. So, it does say in some places. It does, right? It does not. Well, there it is. Okay. Some places, it doesn't. Some places. Just make sure that every place that it needs it, it's got it. Sure.
That's how it didn't before. Well, we could just do it in the definition section, which is where I would probably do it.
It is actually in the definition section. Okay. All set. So, that's the three of them. The first, on the accessory dwelling unit, because we're doing a special permit, that's a two-thirds vote, you think? Yes. Three-thirds. And the multifamily housing is simple majority. And the housekeeping is simple majority? Two-thirds. That's what I thought. I thought I saw simple majority somewhere. Supermajority. Sorry. Okay. I think the MBTA, I think you're right. I think the MBTA is the simple majority. Right. And then the other one would be two-thirds. Okay. Hmm. Okay. Are you going to write up the? Housekeeping? Yeah. Yeah, I can do that. The surprise housekeeping is two-thirds. Well, you could slip in something that's not related. I know why. But the only reason we got down in simple majority is because it was out for the sale to help make it easier to pass multifamily housing. Um, for the floodplain district thing. So, this will be discussed last time. I've gotten a lot of feedback. I showed that from the state. And that should address the issue. The major issue or the major topic that we're discussing was, when does all this information lie? Does it lie during BILAR as today? Or does it lie in Chapter 193 regulations? And it was determined just to keep it where it is in the BILAR. And that's why you have a lot of new text in there. I have no issues with how it's drafted today. Um, I have one suggestion. Sure. Um, where we have floodplain district. Could we say town floodplain district? Under 1701? 1701. Which one? Floodplain district? Yes. Yeah. And the question is, is that, is that how it's designated on the maps? And just make sure. The concern that I have is we all were getting confused between what's federal, floodplain protection, watershed, or protection, and what's town floodplain. Which definition of the floodplain? I'm looking at 1701. Yep. The hot, the, um. Oh, sorry. The header. So changing just that header. Yes. As long as it, it also conforms to what we've got on the overlay district maps. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Because it might be that that needs to be changed too. I just think if we keep it floodplain district, well, we could, if we had to. It's just very confusing. I'll also see if we can modify it. Easily. Easily. Yep. Let's look at the top of the next page where it says C-10302 for floodplain district. So we may need to change it there as well. But that's okay. Because we're changing that. So. What page is that? Just put that page over. Just the very next page right at the top. So we might need to just add town there as well. And the maps. Um, again. The overlay maps. I don't know how they're laid out. Because all we're changing is the federal flood protection district. And I don't know what the other one is called. Do you have that available, Robert? In 302? In 302. In 302.1.2 is federal floodplain protection district. Are you looking for the maps? I was looking at the definitions in the overlay districts. And then when they do the maps, they pick up what the definitions are in the overlay district listings. So what are you, what are you looking for? Answer him first. Okay. What I'm looking for is I'm looking at 302, which is what creates overlay districts. Okay. Right now in what we're proposing to amend is to add the federal flood protection district. Do we also have something that is called floodplain district? It's right below. That's a different section. 17. We're talking about creating the overlay. It's in 302. So they call it a 3.2.1.1, which you can't see. It's on this page. It says a floodplain district that includes all land and water in the town of Wayland, such as seasonal or pre-DR flooding of the separate river, except for temporary extractions, which surface lies below the elevation of 124 feet above the mean sea level. As such elevation set shown as notated as 124 foot plain in the Athens of town of Wayland, Massachusetts, corrected January 1st by 1992 by Everett A. M. Brooks. We probably shouldn't change it. It'll just be everybody will just be confused going forward anyway, because I think that that's too old a map, quite frankly, and I think that needs to be changed. And then not great, but come back on a rainy day and fix it if needed later. But I do think in the in the header, we should still leave town floodplain, I guess. I don't know. It's probably better not to have. So yeah, because what I was going to say is other places all throughout that paragraph. It just says the floodplain district. It's everywhere. It's all throughout it. So should we take it out of the header? I guess. Or do we switch them all to town floodplain district? The problem is that the map that he was talking about calls it a floodplain district and the map is from 1970. So we should probably take out town, but we have to. Well, unless we put in a here and after referred to as town floodplain district. I can leave it out until we get a new map. Okay. Sorry, Robert. So we're taking away our town now. So the first. Yeah, take it out of the header. It's fine. Okay. We got that map, yes. Okay. What? Yeah. We got that map in 1935. Well, can you talk to, I don't know who it is who does it, but I think it should be, who did I say? Didn't I say the CBA does that one? Yeah. The enforcement of that one? Yeah. But maybe if you could talk to Linda and maybe the building. Yeah. And figure out should they, yeah, who's going to do what and shouldn't it be amended? Because 70 things have changed phenomenally. You think? Is there a definition of NFIP anywhere? What's the word? NFIP? Very excited. I see it on page seven. I think so, but I didn't know what it was. I mentioned it. It's not. And it's not in our existing bylaws anymore. NFIP. Yeah. I would just add national flight insurance program. That's fine. And then, and then put it in print. And then just put it out. Exactly. Good catch. I would hope that other people will be really looking at these things too, so that we can tell if there are any other things like that to deal with, so that we don't have something that is screwy. Oh, okay. Later, later it is, they, they do use it. It's funny. And on the last page, we do national flight insurance program, parentheses and FIP. the program, parentheses, and FIP. So he's in my relationship. So with, I haven't looked at this excruciatingly. When the state did whatever it was doing, did you just take what they said or? I took what they said and then I got reviewed by the state to make sure that it was correct. And what about Linda? Linda, I sent a Linda, and Linda had no issues. Had no issues? No. Okay. I had multiple rounds with the state to make sure that it's correct and that we had everything. So. Okay. So. And lucky her, she's listed as the enforcer. So we have three so far. This one really does have to go because we need it for the female stuff. So that would give us four? Four so far, yep.
Do you think it's too much? No. No? Okay. If we need to do it, we need to do it. How many did we send last year? One. No. Two. Housekeeping and we had the ADU was broken up into two. Right. Okay. And there was at least those two and then the housekeeping. I don't remember. Didn't you present one? Yeah. I did the two ADU ones and I did the housekeeping. I thought you presented one. I did. What did you do? Oh, you know what you did? The floodplain before the one that we did the floodplain stuff where we thought we were fixing it, but then they changed it again. Oh, that's right. Would you like to do this one? No. And what are you planning on doing? I hate to say this, but I've been working my off and I just. We'll all blow a little like party horns when you finish. Oh, you'll still be on the board. Yeah, because your term doesn't end until after town meeting. I don't know what the date is. I don't know. Look, you don't get off the board until after town meeting. I think it's May this year. I have it on my calendar. Let me see. May 4th. Oh. Plus, do you have a few days? Yeah. I'm going to have Nick do it.
Wow. I think that it's only fair for each person. We shall take one. To take one. Yeah.
So, Ira, do you want to do the housekeeping one? Robert will, okay. Whatever you want me to do, I'll do it. Okay. Guess what, Larry? Your slide point. All in favor?
It's a strong phone. No, it's a real one. I don't know.
Thank you. So, we're going to go with all of them. We didn't do ground management, so we'll do that in a minute. So, Larry, Robert, can you help Larry do the write-up for this one? Yeah. Sure. And put the two of you work together. And then I'll do the MBTA communities one. Robin is doing ADU. What works for it? Ira is doing the housekeeping one. And you can, the two of you, Ira and Robert, could work together on this short write-up. So, I have the write-up for housekeeping and then the floodplain. And then you've got to do the write-up net of the MBTA. Yeah. And Robin is doing the ADU. And the ADU, yep. And Jesse's doing solar. Potentially. We haven't just talked a lot on it. And we need this stuff. You set the dates, but we need it to be filed by the 15th. And the earlier, the better. Probably get it in good shape by next Monday or Tuesday. So, the summary has to be done in the end of the year, finally, it's summary, yeah. Which is, which is, 150 words, or no more than 150. So, I think if people need stuff by next, by next, over the week and by Monday, that'd be great. Okay. So, we can at least, like, tweak it and make sure it's correct.
How do you want to handle that? Do you want me to make a first cut? If you, if you can do a first cut. Yeah. But the housekeeping one should be pretty easy to go through. You can really, you can almost take the summary from last year, which is just the, these are housekeeping issues, you know, I think, yeah, I don't know that we were that much more specific. No, I would, I would, I would just, if you take the RFP, take a look at the, what did last year? Okay. Just kind of paste that and then just. And also look at the, at the, at the, um, notice that we did that lists each section. That's making the change. Yeah.
Okay. Ground mounted somewhere.
So, there's nothing that we had to, uh, alter or change. It's just additions to the, to the things. Um, well, it's creating new sections, section 198. So, um, and this is just to provide some guidelines for, um, use and, uh, application requirements for how, uh, we allow solar, also provide some suggestions on what small, medium, large would be, as well as, um, how to, uh, protect site line, how to, um, put your application together and who is in charge of enforcement, things like conservation commission for trees, um, decommissioning these systems as well. Noise, um, glare, et cetera, all addressed in there and all conforms to, um, guidelines that the state has also put out as well. In the ground-mounted solar, in the small scale, large scale, you've got this footprint. Have we defined what the footprint is? That's something that we were talking about before. Is that defined anywhere in here? Uh, it is not. Because footprint would be what attaches to the ground and that is not what you mean. Right. You mean? Area. Yeah. You want to change. Area that the solar. Area. Area under the array, no matter, I mean, it can get tilted, so if it's flat, it's that outside area. Yeah, it gets the area under all structures. Because it could include the array and any housing that's included. So instead of footprint, maybe we just use area. I think you have to be specific, the area of what? Yes, of what? The area under the array and any associated structures. Is there not a definition of the state has? What are they talking about? What are they talking about? What are they talking about? Shadow of you. That's the array footprint, like you do with the building? You can't say footprint because, you know, if it's a big array and it has just a little post that's stuck into the ground, that's the footprint, so you need the area of it. When you look at a building and it has overhang, you don't consider that? A roof overhang is different. Yeah, but that's not footprint either. Area under array and surrounding structures. The area under the array and surrounding structures. So like if there's a little shed that holds the batteries or something, you know, that should be included in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But surrounding structures could include the house that's next to it. Very under array and repeated structures. Related for supporting if that's what you're talking about. Robin's right. But roof overhangs, there's exemptions for how close they can be to a lot line as compared to how close the footprint of a house or building can be to a lot line. So we'll strike a footprint and we'll use area under array and surrounding, I'm sorry, and it's related slash supporting structures. Is that clear enough? Which section is this? We're just defining. Small, medium, large. Yeah, small, medium, and large. So I used footprint, but we want to be more specific.
Try it again. I'm sorry. So it's the area under the array and related slash supporting structures.
Yeah. And it would need to be difficult, but some of the arrays will be fixed. And some of them won't. And some of them won't move. Area at its largest.
Yeah, and then we don't even have to say under array, right?
Read it again. I don't know. Area at its largest and related supporting structures. Area under array at longest point.
No, I would say at its largest. But I wonder if there's some technical term of- It's got a way of saying- There has to be a technical term of art for this.
Not at some point ahead. I thought you had changed it a while ago. To the highest point when oriented at maximum tilt. Maximum tilt is what they use. So, but we're measuring the office sort of at minimum. To me, flat would be kind of minimum tilt. That was for height. Yeah. So now we want to measure it at minimum tilt. Horizontal tilt. Horizontal. The absence of tilt. It's getting late. So when the state talks about small scale, what are they talking about? What do they say? Well, that's what they say, one acre? Perimeter of the entire perimeter of the footprint.
Does they include like fencing? Anything else that's blocking the sight lines too? That's included in that calculation for one acre. And do we have to follow what they do or? Not necessarily. It's kind of like the Wild West. I see. I can't think, but that's one of the most important definitions to make sure we cover it.
The area under the array's maximum width.
Or it just could be the maximum width of the array panel or something like that. I don't know if that's what they call them, but there's some of them. I mean, we could say the maximum width of the array and the related supporting structures. It's not just width would be the perimeter. Yeah. Maximum perimeter. That's better.
Are you Googling something to see if you can find a better one? Yeah, I'm just trying different ways. And, you know, when you ask about size. Oh, yeah. Physical area, square footage, acreage, and occupying. Yeah. And every town seems to have taken a different take on this too.
For the BES, this is a question. We have it as a right. It's accessory in all districts. Do you want to limit the size of the BES that you can have in certain districts or not? I don't know. I'm just asking. Like in residential district, for example.
So, the only thing I have in here is, like, special additional guidelines for medium and large.
Except that here it's already permitted by right. Yeah. So, if the BES. Don't you think of, like, the giant commercial? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about. And I don't know if because this says accessory to the small, that that would be a small one. I don't know how this stuff works. And if that's the way it works, then that would be great. Yeah. Because nobody would necessarily care, I don't think. Just when you get the big ones.
Yeah, it's more of the building code stuff. So, what about the square footage of the area of all panels and related structures? So, and surface area. Square footage.
Of the area of all panels. Yeah. And surrounding and supporting structures. Not surrounding. I guess surface area is fine. Yeah. It was surrounding. So, we don't want surrounding or supporting, related and supporting. Supporting. So, and surface area. When you're done, read it back.
Surface area at the end, right at the beginning. At the beginning. Square footage of the surface area of all panels. I think I got it. Okay, read it back. So, we can all write it down.
Square footage of the surface area of all panels and related slash supporting structures. So, that would include your little power building, your little battery storage building. A related and supporting structures. Not slash. Okay. Okay. I think we got it.
It's very hard to do these things. It is.
So, Robert, you want me to edit this and send it back to you? Okay. Can do. And write your summary. Yes. Is there anything else in here that anybody was concerned about?
Has anyone reached out to us to report a story or opinion on this on certain signs or issues? No. No, we tried. When we first started it, we had, who came and talked to us? Yeah. Abby. Abby came and talked to us. She's in a long time. Right. But she gave us some guidance and had some ideas. She pointed me in the right direction. Right. So, but we haven't had any guidance since then. Have you reached out to the new person? There's somebody who took out this place. Yeah. Julia. Yeah, I did. I did send a note. Did she? You should be frontcalling or do that again. And have her just look at it to make sure that. Or, or, or, or, or, well, this is somebody according to, I know she's a little more younger and new, I'm not sure if that's, that is her background, so I don't send Billy, so. Who is it? Person inside Mary. No. No. The one I'm waiting. Okay. The new one that you gave us the name of already, or is this a second? Julia. I'm not sure what, I'm not 100% sure what her background is. The new person, they, I don't know if it was the one who replaced Abby or the one who is the energy person, but there is an energy person. Olivia. Olivia. Yeah. So, I would write about Olivia and Julie, and Julie.
Yeah, we'll try one more time to see if they have any comments. I did see there was a note from Linda on, like, trying to keep old trees. And we do, like, so we do have that in here. It's, um, construction, should be, sorry, 707, seven, trees removed for construction shall be replaced on a one-to-one basis elsewhere. Or as approved by the conservation, so they do get a say in it. Yeah. I think there's, like, two people left, and Izzy was left. Someone in a way came. So, what do you guys think this would be the fifth one? We don't have any regulation. I don't know, um, I know that the state came out with those new regulations. If we didn't come up with something. What's the consequence? Yeah. Would we be getting things that we don't want? More things? I think, um, the battery storage one is a particular concern. Right. We want to have something there for that. Right. And I think we want to be able to treat small, medium, large differently. Yeah. Which I don't think, if we don't have our own. I don't think the state does either. Right. And the only large project that I know of that could potentially happen is the one on the old town dump property. Yeah. Maybe. But. But, who knows? Plenty of people live lots in town, so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, um, the battery storage one is a particular concern. Right. We want to have something there for that. Right. And I think we want to be able to treat small, medium, large differently. Yeah. Which I don't think, if we don't have our own. I don't think the state does either. Right. Right. And the only large project that I know of that could potentially happen is the one on the old town dump property. Yeah. Maybe. But, who knows? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I think that's, when you're standing in front of town meeting, it's a selling point. And in the argument and, you know, the summary that this is something that if we don't regulate it. You know. Have the select board said anything about the number of articles? No, they haven't. But we're meeting with them on the 9th. To go over the articles. Right. Something that Michael McCall said, yes, we have to send these things to the select board. And they have to send them back to us. It's ridiculous. But that's the state law. So he sent them back to us. And they had the select board being joint sponsors of all of them. And I thought, that's weird. Yeah. Well, we need to talk to them about that as well. And, you know, they can say to us, we think five is too many. And then we say, okay, these are the ones we absolutely have to have. Yeah. Gotcha. Well, I know that's come up in the past. Right. Yeah. What am I at home? Because it's true. Yeah. Well, one, one of them potentially could be slice slightly house could be, but it might go crazy with the MBTA, but I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe, but, but if someone stands up and said, you pass this, I'm ready to go. I mean, they may, they may supply the house keeping one of the consent calendar too. Oh, that's true. Even the MBTA one could go. Yeah. Let me try, but I don't know if they go. Yeah. But the house keeping them on that. Yeah. I didn't even think about that. Yeah. Is that a two thirds thing? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know. For housekeeping, they were only doing, I mean, no, they were doing two thirds there too. It was the five, six. Yeah. I think they bunched them by what they need. Right. The way they do it. Yeah. They sort of bunch them. So if they have a bunch of two thirds ones, then they put those together and put them through as a consent. Oh, sorry. And if there's a bunch of 50% ones, they go through together. Oh, all right. Is it? Is it? Yeah. They almost like pull it and they say like, does anybody have it? Yeah. Right. And if they do then we'll do it. We've only done it once. So this is like, no. I was walking and Miranda Jones ran the other way and it was like seeing a teacher out of school. I was like, oh, I know who you are. And she stopped to talk to me and I was like, I know who you are and I can't put my fingers. She goes, Maria Jones. I'm like, oh, of course. Okay. So this one we want to go ahead with you. I think we should. Okay. So as we submit them, we should take a vote that we wanted to submit all of these. And then Robert will prepare. You'll submit your stuff to Robert and I will too. And we'll get the articles ready to go. And then I need to sign them and we need a vote of the board now that we want to submit these. So we need two votes. We need one vote to recommend going to town meeting and then we need to vote for you just authorized. Okay. Can't we do it in one thing? Yeah, you can. Okay. Timeline. So can I have a motion to submit the five articles, the town floodplain stuff, the MBTA communities, multi-family housing, overlay district amendment, the housekeeping amendments, the solar photovoltaic installations, new bylaw and the ADU amendments. To, for, to the select board for inclusion in the warrant for town meeting and authorize the chair to sign the application materials. So moved. Second. All in favor. Well, that was easy. Okay. Yeah. Business will be adjourned. Yeah. Just looking to see if there was anything else. Nothing else. We're having so much fun. No, we've just got such a slow start. We caught up like that. Yeah, we did. We would have been out of here at like 8 o'clock. So are we ready? Yeah. I move to adjourn. Seconding. I will. If I were a second. All in favor. Aye. All right. Thank you, everyone. All right. All right. All right. Thank you, everyone.