August 26, 2026 – Planning Board – Video & Transcript

August 26, 2026 - Planning Board

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2 p.m. on Wednesday, August the 26th. This is a meeting of the Wayland Planning Board. I call the meeting to order. I will take attendance by roll call. Ira Montague.
Robin Borgstead. Here. Ira Montague. Here. Thank you. Annette Lewis here. Um, Jesse Newberry and, uh, Bill Sterling are not in attendance this evening. The agenda for this evening is, uh, public comment, then review and approve draft minutes of 7-22-26. Then, uh, continued public hearing on PB-2601, 1 Hobbs Road, uh, formerly 67A Loker Street, Oak Street. Management Support of Living Residents Site Plan Approval, then at 8-15 review and approve draft Planning Board Annual Report, uh, and then at 8-30 review the draft regulations that Robert put together on, um, Accessory Dwelling Units and Outdoor Dining at Restaurants. Then any updates from the Town Planner and Chair, uh, Board Comments and Concerns, and then adjourn. So, is there any public comment this evening? Uh, I've seen no, they're hand-raised. I guess the tape doesn't know.
I want to see one attendee. Okay. Um, okay, let's move on to review and approve draft minutes of 7-22.
Uh, go back and figure out what meetings it was, it's been a while. Has everybody had an opportunity to read them? I have. I, I need to. Is there any, uh, amendments? No. You okay, Ira? Yes. Okay. Can I have a motion to approve the amendments? No. Okay. Is there any, uh, amendments? No. You okay, Ira? Yes. Can I have a motion to approve the meeting minutes of 7-22-26 as presented? I move to approve the minutes from 7-22-26 as presented. Uh, is there a second? Second. All in favor? Ira Montague? Yes. Robin Borgstad? Yes. Annette Lewis? Yes. Okay. Um, we can, uh, we can't start until 7-15. Uh, so, let's... Okay. So, let's do, um, have anybody, have you guys had an opportunity to review the Draft Planning Board Annual Report? I looked at it quickly. Ira? Um, I skimmed it, yes. So I guess the answer would be no. Um, do you want to go over it in more detail? Yeah. Also, I will give you a clip note to what it is. It's pre, pre-standard. Pretty standard of nothing special every year, pretty much the same thing, has who's on the board, um, if there's a time difference of people leaving the board or coming on the board, that is indicated, town staff. Uh, purpose and duties of the planning board, that is pretty standard, uh, and then it gives you a summary of, it's breaking down between approval not required, subdivisions, site plans. Just giving someone a, a snapshot of what the planning board does. Okay. All right. So the planning board did that within the last year to, uh, the residents. And then it talked about the goals at the very end, and these are the goals for, uh, fiscal year 27. That's for next, this coming year. Correct. And so that is it. It's nothing special, but it does give someone a quick read if someone wanted to really understand what the planning board does or is new to town, they can kind of get a synopsis of the last year, um, in a cliff note version. So. And the chair did review this. Um, I drafted it in the chair, the plan, which are, um, did review, you know, Annette Lewis did review this. So, and this is, I believe this is due at the end of next month. So. I do have, um, just a few minor suggestions, um, on page two at the top after Terrell school, um, I would take out. Stop. Starting with the colon, I would take out the underlining through lot, um, then enter site plan review. The first one after, um, the name of the church, uh, where the colon is at the end, just delete the underline there. It's a really minor, but I will say that again, I said again, just delete the underlining under the colon. Oh, okay. Just to be consistent throughout the document. Yep. Um, let's make sure that no, nowhere else, I didn't, nobody else shared that as a pet peeve. Pardon me? I didn't know anybody else shared that as a pet peeve. Thank you. Well, I'm glad somebody else thinks it's not, it's something to talk about. Um. Okay. Then in the, um, the there on the last page under appeals of the planning board site plan decisions. I thought that was a little rough, Robert, um, I'm going to read what I think might be an improvement. Uh, and then I'll do it more slowly if people think it's okay. So this is appeals of the planning board site plan decisions, the select board proposed amending. The site plan by law, uh, period, uh, the planning board recommended, excuse me? The site plan site plan by law, and that's not period the select board proposed amending the site plan by law to allow an earlier timing for appeals of planning board site plan decisions. Period. The planning board recommended against approval because the amendment would create more confusion than clarity period capital at town meeting comma, the select board move to postpone the measure indefinitely. That's fine. So should we do that slowly?
So the select board proposed amending, yeah, site plan bylaw to allow an earlier timing for appeals. Uh, planning board site plan decisions. Uh, planning board site plan, um, that's for, uh, um, I think, we'll do, um, Okay. Planning board.
I'll plan board. Yep. Appeals of planning board site plan decisions.
Okay.
The planning board recommended against approval, just take that sentence out, Robert, you're you basically skipping to the last sentence, or to the next sentence. The planning board recommended against approval, because the amendment would create more confusion than clarity period.
Cross out the end, the Android capital at. At meeting, the select board move to postpone the measure indefinitely. Okay, do you guys want to spend more time reviewing it? We don't have to turn it in until the end of September, or do you just want to get it off our plates? I'm fine getting it off the place unless we want to give Jesse and. Bill a chance to read it bill wasn't really here for. Most of this. So, but maybe Jesse wants to have a say, but I don't know. I'm fine. Just moving it forward. Okay, I'm thinking we should move it forward. He didn't say anything. Yeah, that's okay. So, can I have a motion to approve the planning board report for F. Y. 26. So, so move. Is there a 2nd? There is a 2nd, is it? You. Is it you? I don't know who wants to raise their hand. Okay. I romantic you seconds that I'll take a vote by roll call Robin. I romantic you. Yes. And that Louis. Yes. Okay. Good job, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Well, let me send her a sense. And I'll forget. All right. All right. All right. Okay, um, so we did, let's go to let's go to updates first. And then we'll get back because we went away like three more minutes. I will give you a snitch a snap of next week's we have two weeks I send you as the packet, I will be on vacation. So I got the agenda done. Right now the agenda has been posted if if man chair finds this something needs to be amended, she will amend that with the town clerk. But as for now, I mean, nothing, the the public hearings will probably go on. But if there's some kind of update that comes up next week, the chair may may may amend it. But for now, it's gonna be a little shorter. We have two public hearings. One is about the Castle Road pump station for the water district for the MRWRA. And the treatment, the Happy Hollow treatment, this Happy Hollow treatment traffic that was called. That's one public hearing. The other one is for the amendment to the mixed use overlay and site plan phase two of the town center. And those changes will be discussed before with with the owners include signage, the use of the fields, the closing of all the staff. And maybe that was it. We have like three changes. Yeah. So those are the things that the for the board to discuss. One or two meetings might take two meetings. And kind of flush out all the ideas. But those are the ideas that that they have been the town center has discussed with the planning board, and has discussed with the select board in the past two months. So then we have a continued hearing today for Oak Street management. And we will we can have a discussion about that. But ahead of time, they have asked for a continuation from today's hearing, which turns out might be actually a good thing. We're talking with two members of the board not even being being present. So and it's 715. So we can turn that over. Turn back over to you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Um, for the next meeting, it will be in person. We're a hybrid. Hi. Yes, but we're going to be in person. Yeah, and the Wayland Commons room, the the old COA room in the town, town hall. And now it's called now it's called the Wayland Commons room. I did reach out to Nick and he said he would be there. I just wanted to have a heads up. 90 my minding him for the mixed use overlay amendment, which is, which is especially for my site plan. So if if the vote goes down, we're missing one or two people that we may need him to vote. I didn't understand what you just said. We if it if we're dealing with a special permit, we may need him to vote if Bill Yes, somehow, if Jesse or Bill or someone else is not available, right? We may need that might we don't want to lay the vote. If possible. Right. Okay. Um, so that's the ninth. Is that correct? Yeah, it's the night. Yep.
In the meantime, can you Robbie, can you promote Matt O'Connor to your panelists?
Hi, Matt. Hi, I'm Matt O'Connor, the applicant is here. I'm hoping he'll show his face and unmute. Hi, Matt. Hi, Matt. Hi. Okay. Thank you. Sorry about that. Okay, members of the of the planning board. So I first I want to thank you all for your patience on our project. We are requesting a continuation of our meeting to the the next meeting. I'm still working on the lease agreement, which we're working on to the next September meeting date. We're still working on the lease agreement with the nonprofit organization. I believe that we have successfully submitted some additional information with regard to the site distances that we have been talking about last meeting. And like I said, we are in process of working with some funding sources working with D. D. S. Um, and we'll also be, um, submitting applications and requesting, uh, you know, see what, uh, the, uh, Wayland municipal housing trust, uh, may have available.
Matt, um, I'm going to speak for myself and then, uh, Paul, the board, my concern is that we've been continuing and continuing and continuing, and technically you shouldn't be appearing before us now. Um, and for me, I would be willing to offer you two options. One that you tell us by when you're going to have the requisite documents to show that you're eligible for Dover, and then you'd submit those and, um, we would be having a hearing after that, but we'd have to know now what that date would be that you were shooting for. Because. Yeah. It really messes up our schedule among other things, uh, planning to have a real meeting with you and then not being able to, uh, also, it doesn't look good for us to continue dragging this out. That's one option that I can think of. The other option is that you can withdraw without prejudice. Um, and if you came back within. A reasonable time, say six months, um, that we wouldn't charge you again for the application, uh, but I'm not, I personally am not comfortable with just, uh, postponing from meeting to meeting. And how does the rest of the board feel about that?
Um, I, I think those are good options. Um, I mean, if Matt has some idea about when they're definitely going to have a lease done by, then that's different and we can kick the meeting. Meeting out until then and, and sort of pick it up that way. But if it's just, if we're just gonna be kept on hold until there's a lease agreement, that, that is hard for us. How about you, Ira?
Can you give us any clue as to when that lease agreement might, uh, be obtained? I mean, I, I agree with what Robin said, if you could say, okay, here's the month that I think I need to work on it. And, um, that'll give us a heads up as to, you know, we don't want to keep scheduling this thing. She's right about that. But, um, I, I, I guess I think the withdrawal, even without prejudice, it may be a little drastic if you feel that you're going to get this together within the next couple of months.
I, I do expect certainly the next couple of months. And I, I believe by the September, uh, meeting date, we'll have all of those, uh, you know, documents, you know, formally submitted. Uh, Mark Lanza has been, uh, working on this. Um, and I believe, you know, in speaking to him that, that we should be able to have it completed, I apologize. We're not able to submit it in a timely manner, uh, prior to this meeting. Uh, but the, uh, next meeting. You, you have, You've been negotiating with the ARC, and you have a contract that you have? It's not the final, but you have been negotiating with them? Yes, not the ARC, correct. Oh, it's not the ARC, somebody else. Correct, that's correct.
So I'm uncomfortable moving it to the 23rd, just because it seems short to me. Okay. It's less than a month, and we want to see the documents at least a week before the hearing. True, true. I forgot the meaning, I was assuming after that. October 7th. Yeah, October 7th and October the 21st. And again, this would be, for me, my own thoughts are, this would be the last time I would be willing to give an extension. If we're not moving forward. October 7th seems pretty reasonable, because that gives the Matt and the team over a month to, you know, an extra two weeks after September 3rd, enough time. If we can just, if we can continue, well, if we do continue October 7th, we will also need a continuation of the deadline. Right. Which I can get after I come back from vacation. The other thing we would need, we would need a deadline. Of when we, if we're going to do this, when we get the, when the town actually receives it. So October 7th, if we're going to, if we're going to continue. I don't want you to decide that date, Robert. I want Matt to confirm that that is a realistic date and that he will be ready. If he has any concerns that it might take longer than that, I want to go to a longer date. Well, why don't you. Why don't you. Try to find that end date with Mark, right? We have to decide today. Right. At the hearing. Can you, can you text him right now and find out what, if he could put an end date to what he's working on? Yeah, our prior discussion was September. I will text him.
He says, Oh, this is my man.
. You're going to lead a life-saving Sé mood. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. You're going to bearea because we are about to hear it out.
And so there's October 7th, no, October 7th is a predetermined planning board date, correct? Yes, yeah. And the next meeting after that is the 21st. And again, we need the materials at least a week before. That's right.
Robert, in the meantime, can you get the traffic report thing ready to put on the screen? Sure. Or maybe we can do that now while we're waiting. We're waiting to hear back from Mark. Yeah, that would be great. Yeah, my understanding was that the kind of loose ends were, you know, it, a comment on the traffic, and then also the lease with the last remaining items. Okay. And the Conservation Commission, last we heard, they were waiting for us. And we were waiting for them. Okay. We were waiting for them. So. So that, you know, I feel like I can't control that. You know, I could. Well, I didn't know if Robert had been able to speak with Linda in the meantime. Well, she's been on vacation the last few days, so I'm going to catch up with her. So. It's not. It's not resolved yet. Why? Yeah. So I guess I would comment, you know, kind of pending, I guess, whatever that. Did they have any concerns, though, or were they pretty much okay? My understanding, again, is that they're telling us they're waiting for planning, you know, planning board decisions. Right. Which is why we did this straw poll the last time we met, because we wanted you to have a sense that we think it's a great project and we'd like it to go forward. And my belief and understanding is that the Conservation Commission does not have any great issue. They have been bringing up different things, but I think that they're really ancillary to actually giving us permission. I don't think they. How would I? I don't think. I don't think they, you know, necessarily want to, you know, say that they're waiting for planning board. I don't know if that's. No, I think that I think they said that to Robert. Okay. So that is okay. Okay. Yeah. I think that's my understanding. That's what I'm kind of getting, you know, as the biggest issue there. Okay. Thank you. Did everybody have an opportunity to read the sightline evaluation? Yes. Yes. Do you guys have any questions? I guess I have questions with, I mean, so is this evaluation recommending that the speeds be reduced on the road and that a stop sign be added? No, it's. Oh, I read it. Oh, sorry. So it's, it's that there is a stop sign and there is a posted stop sign. And there is a posted school zone speed limit. Oh, okay. So then all they're recommending is the removal of vegetation. That's correct. That's correct. And we did talk about pruning up the trees in that uphill area. So these are the questions that I have. It is definitively on Alden, Hobbs and Locher, 25 miles an hour. I can't. I can't tell because I've never seen a report presented this way. Normally they have a picture. They show you where the stop sign is. It's not on any of your plans at all. So we'd need to see something that shows where the stop sign is. And. I, you know, it needs to say the posted speeds on these streets is. Which it doesn't. It just says regulatory speed. And then it's got. Little footnote. And then on the eastbound. It says. That they're assuming that's from a 15. Foot. Distance. If you look at the bottom footnote. Yeah. Not anything else. So I wasn't sure if in fact. It complied with the AASHTO standard. And the fellow, whoever did this needs to give us some. Words. So that we understand. I mean, he said that there was a stop sign, but so what people can go through stop signs. If they're traveling. And, you know, I don't know what the normal speed is. There's a posted speed. And then there's the speed that 80. I think the term is 85%. Percent. Of. The vehicles travel at. And that's generally more than 25 miles an hour. It might be. That you still have sufficient sight lines. But I can't tell. So. To clarify. So that. Point with regard to the actual. Speed. On those. Three. Roads. You would a comment. On the. Speed. On the. Speed. Of. A. Road. And then. You would a comment. Be sufficient. You actually want. Some kind of. Physical. Yeah. Normally. They would. They would. Have a diagram. That shows the intersections. Of those. And arrows pointing. In each direction of travel. With a speed sitting right on it. Robert can probably send you a sample. From one of the other reports. Okay. That would be helpful. And. More of an explanation. Of why. On the eastbound side. He only goes down to 15. Miles per hour speed. And show where the stop sign is. And you can certainly submit that ahead of time. So that we can look at it. That would be great. Yeah. That's. I mean, it's. This is helpful, but it just. It. It doesn't slam dunk it. Okay. Okay. Shows down to. Miles per hour. Okay. Okay. So that. The, the. Again, I apologize. The 85%. Wouldn't require like a traffic study or some. Somebody. I mean. It doesn't. Necessarily need to have a traffic study. You could just. Have. Some. You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, You know, Staff could just. Have someone. Sitting out there with a counter. Or, You know, Approximate. But I, I don't think that 25 months, Assuming that people are driving it 25 miles an hour. There is realistic. Well, and, And. You could read that to say that they're relying on people going 15 miles an hour on one street. And that is definitely not happening. Right. And he says, that's because. but we can't see in the plans where the stop sign is and i don't know if that would be true yeah it would be good to see a diagram
yeah an independent diagram specifically on this subject
robert will you have time to find one of those or do you need me to do that yeah i can look try that tomorrow okay
shouldn't mark be aware of all of these formats and papers that need to be completed
yes and yes overall yes he wouldn't be conducting them that would be the engineer um brandon um who will uh you know be you know kind of assigned you know this um this report but yes he'll be aware of the uh req the requirement i mean i'll just mention to him specifically
from my notes actually unless uh i know robert is going on vacation unless you want to you know
along with that uh previous um sample diagram sample diagram um you know kind of highlight that um as well as whatever other remaining requests again which i believe and i don't believe we would say something about conservation but maybe our answer is kind of um you know are you looking for something like this yep there you go and there's look at this right now listen to o'neill's right there is that showing was that showing i don't know if that was showing speeds or just distances
i will put it back on the screen but i'm not sure his speed or this is just the um i know that the stuff that we've had from um
this is kevin dandrade kevin dandrade's forms this is chaos school so here's the table it's supposed to be average and then here's the average speed observed and then maybe you could just send him the whole report they can pick this is i think this is pretty concise through it it's a pretty uh these are this is a nice detailed study um so i'll start right now so don't forget right and you don't have to produce the whole thing we're not looking for that we're just oh i'm happy to yeah i would even call you know the uh the company uh you know make a request you know if they could you know give us one i mean certainly that's something you're familiar with and is acceptable so what happens but again we're not asking you to do a major traffic study we're only concerned about that driveway yep and sight lines that's it okay and the other ones were really concerned with traffic in the report that you're going to be looking at the sample the issue was really traffic not sight lines okay right so only that driveway and and sight lines omit you know the traffic aspect of it right okay i mean i think that's what we agreed to before isn't it everyone yes thank you i don't want to be speaking for the board yeah no but i mean this the speed comes in in terms of the sight lines but the other one is more of a flow issue so right we're not concerned with that yeah so focus on the sight line sight lines and speed right from that driveway opening speeds
okay number one number two and i don't think there's anything else open is there robert no
again the board when we did take a straw poll was really um very enthusiastic about your project and we don't want to make life difficult for you but no no we uh we want to bring it to conclusion of course of course i i i and again i appreciate your your uh you know patience on this um yeah so that's and i've been in your direction guidance you know really is very much appreciated um so i will make you know the team aware of that specific issue um also a touchback base uh marcus
do you need to call him rather than just texting him um i could try that he had texted me earlier today and asked if we could i asked him to be in the meeting but he had a conflict oh and he had asked me prior um if he and i could catch up tomorrow i don't know what if he is at all even available i had requested um okay but my last you know conversation was that he and i would touch base tomorrow um one of i mean we could just pick an outlying date that would give you the time to get your um contract done and signed i mean if we're if we picked like october 21st and you were ready to come in sooner you know you could always ask to get put onto a sooner meeting if we haven't booked the meetings up i don't think we can you can't go you can't go back now okay so if you do october 7th and then they come back like we need more time then you can you could continue beyond that yeah that's what we're trying to avoid yeah yeah once trying to say that i you know and again i appreciate you know i very much appreciate um um you know what you guys have been helping us with here um you know i you know i've been accused of being an optimist but i i i would believe you know that you know i was my initial impression was that we would be ready for the september meeting um uh certainly you know obviously i think that we could be ready for the october meeting um i don't know how especially with kind of the you know uh added detail that we should have uh that i should have uh uh you know forecasted and provided uh with regard to the driveway opening and the uh sight line uh you know uphill there um let me ask you this yeah um how far along are you in your negotiations uh very far along that's why i was saying that that the i was hoping to have it um already okay um because the 23rd of september is only a month and that would give you three weeks because we want it again at least a week in advance so that would give you three weeks which again to me seems tight seems tight yeah from three weeks and then but you know
in october the 7th is you know just not that much after that
and that would give you you know about even a four-week period to go back into it okay so that means so your regularly scheduled meetings would then fall again october the 7th and then october the 21st 21st great
okay yeah i mean i really believe i mean i but you thought when you came in here that you were ready to go i did i did happy with October 21st. Okay. Why don't we do that then? Yeah. And then, you know, then understanding, you know, we would, you know, have to make a, you know, decision. Certainly we'll be meeting, you know, our, on our side, we'll be, you know, meeting prior to that multiple times and say, look, we've got a, and I forget the terminology, but cancel it without prejudice, did you say? It's withdraw without prejudice. Withdraw without prejudice. I'm not, I'm not real excited about that. I'd rather just get it done. Nor am I, or anybody, you know, and everybody else for that matter. But yeah, so, but I'm going to certainly voice that that's, you know, the intent and with.
Okay. And without prejudice means that I can come back at a later date. Right. And would that allow us to kind of start where we left off or would we have to kind of. You would just submit all the same materials again. We could do that. And, and we could take the record that we already have, I think, and work from there. May I ask a question from personnel on the planning board? Is there, are there a new regime coming in within that? No, we're here. We're here until I think April. Okay. I know that that's, I've seen that on the, on the conservation side, a lot of change.
So that, that's, that's great. That's great.
Okay. So we will need an extension from you Um, for, uh, our decision and can he just prepare that and send it in Robert? Yeah. If he puts in a, if he puts in a, um, food, food, food, what's on the date or the, or the deadline for the decision. Deadline for the decision. Yeah. If he or Mark, I mean, and it would be gone for two weeks. So Mark prepared him or Mark pairs on the writing. Mark's quite familiar with it. Okay. So prior to September the 12th. The 25th, you need to submit, um, uh, what's the name? Uh, re um, what do you call it? Robert request for continuation of the deadline. Oh, it's a request. Okay. Request for continuation of the deadline for filing a decision. Okay. So it's a request for extending the deadline for filing a decision. Okay. So it's a request for extending the deadline for filing a decision. And that would be if we are meeting on the 21st, then we could do it within the next week, Robert. I mean, so we have on October, October 21st. Yeah. The meetings on the 21st. I would say the next week after to the 28th. The 28th, which is a Monday. Uh, wait, no, sorry. Let's do, uh, let's do that. For that. Friday, excuse me, let's do, let's do the Friday after. So it's October 20, October 30th. Friday is the 30th. Then the 30th. Okay. So, um, you would need to extend it until October the 30th. We'll try and do a decision before that.
Okay. And we'll, we'll put that date in. Yes. On the October 30th date. Right. We test for, for continuance extending the deadline for filing
a decision,
the decision. Okay. Is there anything else that anyone needs to discuss with Matt or all of us tonight on this project? checked. Then can I have a motion to continue this hearing until October the 21st 2026 at 715pm. I move that we continue this hearing to October 23rd. It's 715 21st 21st. Sorry. 21st at 715pm. Okay, via zoom, right? Pardon me via zoom. If the meetings via zoom? Yeah. Yeah. I think well, we need a little hybrid or zoom. I don't think we can say yet. Because who knows what else we have on? Yeah. Is that okay? Totally. Oh, not that it mattered. Okay. So is there a second? Second? All in favor by roll call? Robin Borgstedt? Yes. I reminded you? Yes. Annette Lewis? Yes. Thank you, Matt. Thank you. Thank you all very much. Again. I appreciate it. Good luck. Yep. No, no, that's fine. We are going to jump on this stuff. And we'll proceed forward again. I can reach back out. I know I'm gonna talk to Mark tomorrow about that letter. I'll submit that letter in person and then via email. To Robert's email. So the planning board has it on file for the request. Okay, will you copy me as well? Yep. A lewis. Wayland dot mass dot us dot ma dot us. Sorry, a lewis at Wayland dot ma dot us us. Okay. All right. I'll copy you in. We're all for this. Copy. I know. I know. Thank you guys very, very much. I yeah, I will get this done. I hope so. I'll get this target this done. But again, I thank the board for your for your patience and encouragement. Really. A lot of members of the town have been very helpful to us. I really am very thankful. Great. Thank you. Thank you all very much. Good. Matt. Thank you. Good evening. Okay, moving on.
Next thing was the special permit. Yeah, relation for 80 years. Yeah. So this is concerning now that we checked modified the requirements pending ages approval, which I've not received yet. This is just pending that we probably be good practice. So we have to create our own rules and regulations for this. So we have to run file for when someone applies. I do not believe currently today we have any kind of rules and regulations for any kind of special permit. Probably the only thing we probably would have is for me potentially like an aquifer protection district. But I think it'd be good practice that gives be a give someone a rules or regulations that would be according to a specific rules or kind of special program than just generic. So it kind of follows the same kind of patterns of other rules and regulations, explaining what it is, giving applicability what it is referencing, giving up setting the fee schedule, providing some definitions. The process of what happens who, how many copies and you need to submit what do you need to submit? Explaining what you know, what would be in equation submission? How do you withdraw? What application public notifications? And if you need to get the play on any time can modify or modify the regulations. I have drafted this in the past, the other rules and regulations that have cited that the plan board must post for a advertise meeting to modify the rules. I have drafted that the plan board at any meeting could modify or amend this. And that is just so that it's not as heavy to make a modification, knowing that this is specifically that that once you mend it or change this, the plan board, that unless I'm dramatically changes, or something is completely wrong and even modify, I would not suspect this will be changed much in the future. Unless I'm unless I'm crazy happens. And there's something that's completely wrong or but I don't think this is something that's going to be modified over and over again. So happy to answer any questions based on this. I don't really understand the last point that you made. Are you saying that we could make changes to this if we needed to and not post? I mean, not rather post you would have to post out to advertise meeting. Yeah, and not advertise. Correct. How can you do that? Did that? That's what that's what says it here. That's what it says in the rules and regulations. That they can they make it you can make modifications to these that with a simple jury of members present at a meeting. Where does it say that? At the very now there, but I mean, under the law, I thought it was like, I'm not sure. I'm not aware that I mean, I can double check, but not I am not familiar with that. The only in the past. The only one I've had is subdivision rules and regs that that one required changes. Which subdivision rules and regs? Which are more way more intense and more and more. It affects a lot more things than than than these rules and regulations. Okay. If you want to keep in the same language, that's fine. I was No, I just I just want to make sure that whatever we're doing is I can double check when I get back. Yeah, I think we should double check and make sure.
But again, the AEG office has not come back with any approval or denial or anything. So we still have not be able to if someone came in today, we could not permit any kind of special permit for anything larger or multiple use. It's still pending. It'll be at least September. And then I believe they're two, there's a two week period where we have to post in newspapers and things. And then after that, the bylaw goes into effect. Yeah, but like you had the game, then then play behind and we get we get the approval. And yeah, no, that's I think that's fine. I don't know if it's better for the board to have this discussion, have a quick discussion, review it on their own, and get back to me if people have individual problems, and we can begin adopting that and other meaning. Because we also only have three members tonight. So, right, I don't want a stepped up them, I just want to make sure that for those of us who have looked at them, if we have specific things that we want to talk about, should do that. So I've looked at them and I have a lot of syntax and grammar changes so far. So I think what I want to do is go through that with track changes on and then send it to Robert. And once we've all sent our changes to Robert, Robert, then we can go through and discuss maybe. Okay. Does that make more sense? That sounds more productive. Yeah. Can I ask just a few questions before we do all of that?
You have a 3042 composition of the board. Is that something that we really need to have in here? I just followed what was in the past. Where is this in the past? Is this in our stuff in the town? Yeah, it's been in the town. If it's not planning board, it's also ZBA. It's one of those two. It's one of the two regulatory boards. It kind of followed the pattern that we had. Yeah, I don't have a problem with the concepts. I was just wondering if we had it somewhere else and if we were making these too long for people to read. Well, this one, because it's a, it's a special permit, it's explaining that if someone is out, that the associate member would be serving as a voting member. Right. I mean, it can be deleted. I mean, a lot of this stuff is overkill probably, but I've been just trying to follow what we have in the past and not kind of like delete everything. And the statute says that you have to allow ADUs, you have to allow them to be in residentially zoned properties is my recollection. And the AG told us we also had to do it in the Rocha district. But so really these regulations apply, I think, to all residentially zoned lots, not properties. Isn't it precise to the lot? We're looking at, uh, 3044.
I'm not asking you to make the changes now. I just want to talk about some concepts. I think if we pull up what we got from the AG's office on the first, you know, from two years ago. Right. I think they had very specific language that they were looking for. Okay. So maybe we can take what's in that letter that we got from them. That sounds good. Um, and also, um, in that same, applicability section, it talks about where there is currently a permitted principal dwelling. And my recollection was that you had to have to get an ADU. You had to have an existing principal dwelling unit that satisfied.
And this is too complicated, but that they might not have been permitted. But they still might be okay. If they were below the 900 square feet.
So it's just too, some of this is a little too generic.
Yeah, I think once we all take a look at it and put in sort of what we're thinking, hopefully that. Okay. Okay. But, um, I'm not, with the application procedure, this is just a question. I mean, I like the way it's set up, but it doesn't have any numbers. And is that problematic for, um, for people in regulations?
Normally regulations, each section has a number. Hmm.
Yeah. I mean, we can make like on the definitions, one can be three Oh four dash eight a, and then be in the definitions. I don't know if they were ever in our regular definitions in our bylaws. I'm not sure that they, each definition has a section number. No, they don't. I don't. And I'm saying they don't have to have a section number, but even like application procedure, each subsection can be then a, B, C or something, something. So in this format, I think ABC works better, but I'll take a look at it. Okay.
I thought they were comprehensive, Robert.
Thanks.
The one thing I made sure to not put in is when we talk about the fee schedule, it's put a number in because once you put a number in, they need, then you would have to go back and mend that. Yeah. No, we don't want to do that. So you just kind of refer it back to what's been approved because it just, it's a head. Yeah, no, that's the best way to do it anyway. Yeah.
So, I have, well, I will send this back out to our mind. So my husband sends out also reminded to everybody when get it back in two weeks. Especially at Jesse and to Bill, make sure that they have a chance to read it before. And then once, once I'm ready, ready, then we'll put on a meeting and hopefully amended at that time. Yeah. I'm mended, but create it in that case. Our next meeting, we have the MWRA at seven. Well, this won't be for a while. Yeah. Okay. I was just going to say that's going to get into that one. And the mixed uses is going to take at least three hours altogether. Doesn't that be focused on the two public hearings? Yeah. So maybe on the 23rd or the seventh, we can do regulations. Yeah.
And then the other one was the site plan. So what I did was I took the red line and put the outdoor dining into this, the site plan regulation that we have today. I'll pull it up on the screen. Instead of creating a new site plan, rules or regulations for outdoor dining. I just added that into it, but this is very, very lengthy. These rules, these site plan rules or regulations are 23 pages long. I'm thinking that we might be amending our site plan regulations anyway, because of some new, new statutes. If they, yeah, I mean, it's kind of like, it's just kind of like putting the track changes for now, but right. But like, I also like this and not, this is not something that has to be, this is not happy like a minute right now, but I was like, why do you want to keep an eye on this? Make sure that we don't lose track of this. Right. But, but if you can see that all the changes are in, are in red. So that one's pretty easy to go through and you can kind of see, I do kind of see what you're talking about. The ABC, there are, if you look on like, like 3.25 and these that they have ABC. So those can be translated to the ADU one too, where you have a letter and a number. Yeah. The problem is I'm just kind of working on different ones and each kind of rules and regulations are written different, a little bit differently. Easy to have a consistent, same deal with the required administrative items, seating area, all of that stuff. Just having bullets becomes difficult if you're trying to explain to somebody what they have, or haven't done, or if you're approving something and you can't, you know, you don't want to say the fourth. We're trying to say to it. Yep. So I try to include everything as possible into this, but this document was really hard to format. I got, I got a little tricky. Yeah. And you could see at some places I couldn't tell what was happening, but it looked like it may have cut off words. Yeah, this is a, this was a really difficult one. Yours. It doesn't look that way. On mine. It did. Hmm. No, then at the time, number one, got the number, the top number. And then got, got was completely off. So I deleted them off because on top pages had like, what page, what numbers, right? But this is, does this document I found was, it was like super old. So again, I documented people to be able to take a look at, but also we might be changing this overall as a site plan, this site plan, rules and regulations and the byline will probably be modified. So maybe better to kind of hold off a little bit and see what happens. And then to the, at these changes, once we have, if, if new changes are amended to the zoning bylaw itself for a chapter, a session, an article, or just having the section six of the zoning bylaw today. But if there's anything kind of big questions, I can kind of answer it. Okay.
I'm going back to the accessory dwelling unit one for a minute. You're calling it chapter three Oh four. Is it in fact three Oh four. Don't we already have a three Oh four? No, I don't do you. Let me see. I thought we did. Let me see. Okay. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, 304, 301. Yeah, 301 conservation clusters. Site plan, 302 sub-difficient land, which the subdivision was right. 303. And the MUOD regulations are 304. Well, that's on the website, them that I missed that because it's on there. Okay. MUOD regulations are 304. The affordable housing regulations are 304. 305, and the multifamily housing is 306.
Then it should be 307 then. 303? I don't know what 303 is, but... 303 was the sub-regional reservoir X. That's what technically 303 is. So 300 is aquifer protection. 301 is conservation cluster. 302 is site plan. And 303 was... Oh, here it is, right? Subdivision. Okay. Yep, I see it now. And then 4 is mixed-use overlay district. 5 is affordable housing. And 306 is multifamily housing regulations. Then it should be 307. Yeah. I don't know based on what it was on the website, but yeah, you're right. Yeah, they're not... I mean, that's why we have our own books. And then I made sure that at least I kept copies of all the regulations. And Trudy said, I think in the future, she's not going to put our regulations in the code. So we're going to have to deal with them ourselves, and we need to make sure that they're readily available on the webpage. This would probably be 307, Robert. Is that what you said? It is.
Okay.
I will make the modifications in the meantime, or I'll just wait until someone submits something, and I will make changes. Okay.
Okay. Back to updates from Town Planner and Chair. Did you have anything, Madam Chair? I wanted you to talk about the Suffolk people and the work on the Route 20 project. Oh, that sounds good. Yeah, that's one thing. Start with that first. So in the past, in the last six months now, the town has gotten a gift fund of 60,000 hours from a project that Suckboard within the last few months have appointed that 20,000 hours. That's a lot of money. Yeah. That's a lot of money. Yeah. That's a lot of money. Yeah. That's a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have reached out to many different law firms and groups of students, and I've been discussing with Madam Chair, with the Suffolk Law Group, and they have students, lawyers that will be ready to work on this project. So I have asked the select board to go ahead and add a meeting so we can go move forward. So I've been working with the chair on that. That would be for them, too. I think August 31st, I would follow up with Michael to make sure that they actually do vote next week. But that's what he said to me, that they were going to vote. And I told Robert that I didn't really want to pre-call. I thought it would include having a law firm as well. I believe these people, we don't have to pay. It's part of their coursework. And, you know, we still might need assistance. And as Robert said, he reached out to a number of law firms and hasn't heard anything back. I put a list together of people that I've dealt with over the years, just friends kind of people. Not that they would be doing the work, but I thought I would reach out. And see if they knew of any youngish lawyers wanting to start doing things like this. And if you know of anybody, Robin, that would be great. I know. The wrong line of work. Is there the students from Suffolk, is there any interest in a faculty member in sort of working with them and supervising them? No, they'll be. Oh, good. Okay. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. We need sort of oversight. The part that I'm going to talk to you is. We read some of the people who work on them or someone else that be that, you know, started the process. And so, yeah, at this point, what we need is that select board to give the thumbs up. So we're not working without their, you know, blessing. And then we probably we need some kind of we need some civil work from Suffolk law to work on this project. So, right. Some kind of a meeting. And we have that outline that we put together. That we spent a lot of time on as the core for to start drafting from that's one thing. And then I have been working on trying to get authorization. So we have the clean energy information sitting permitting. This is for solar panels. And there's a new whole new process that needs to be done conducted by the town. We have a local official. And yet when you have a sore ground matter, so our project someone comes in. Then you have. You can talk to who sets up view the application, sets up all of the information and sets of all the discussion with different view committees. I've been working out with the select board and trying to get that done so that the select board has indicated who the local official is at this time. They still have not done that. So I have started also working with and reached out to NBC, the local regional has the regional office. And they have offered support to help us write eventually rate the ground matter solar by law if we choose. It sounds great. So I have had that meeting with fellows from from the NBC. I had Olivia sit in so that it was not just me making a decision. And Ellen from from the Energy Climate Committee is also supportive to try to get this done. So at this point, it's. The point is. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. At this point, it's better when it when it better if we have some professionals come in a third party and kind of help us out to do write this that we are following always following us. So I get the deadlines of this is when we thinking the public hearing be January. Here's when the time maybe so they have some idea. At this point, I would think it needs some kind of we have a sort of work and I would probably have the time. Andrew or support sign that off on. that um but really would be to kind of help us along as we're working on this clean energy um process also work on some proprietorism as only by our progress aside from having um
somebody be appointed to be in the person that they talk that an applicant talks to first yes we need a whole process in town we need all the boards and the departments to be functioning in concert and have a set up so that we can have combined hearings and combined decisions um is there anything happening on that front at all not really because i've been waiting i've been waiting i've been pushing the time manager to to and the slept board to make that appointment so that i can freely feel like i can actually go ahead and do it and i can do it and i can do it and i can do it and i can do it and i can do it and head can't you just do it can't you just start doing it i can start doing it but i have not been have not been appointed to that position why don't you just write a note that says i'm willing to do it i will start unless i hear otherwise i can do that i've been i've been pretty i've been right into the top management all over again to like we need to move this along yeah i mean i've been asking since the thing passed i mean for months and we had a meeting months ago finally but i'm really concerned because starting on october 1st we need a whole process in place and we need some kind of an understanding of what the town expects out of these projects so that we can have a written document of you know to sign with these people who want to do the projects yeah yeah i mean i've been trying to hold off because there's other things those are gears moving in the background but those gears have not been i've been moving much slower so i was kind of waiting once once i don't think we can wait once another thing fell on my plate and moved to someone else then potentially this is time to like move in and do this but yeah as you're right there's nothing nothing has been done and it's at some point like i just gotta take the reins and just say how it is well it's not about i'm just going to give you my experience i know this is not the approach i like to do i like to get everything and like when something when something needs to get done and you've poked and prodded and poked and prodded you just do it and somebody says and you give them warning you know i can't wait any longer we got to get this underway i'm going to start unless you tell me not to by such and such a date and just do it i know i'll do that
rob you have obviously not worked in government
okay well all i'm gonna say okay well yeah well actually well yeah my first job was in government i did the same thing yeah and it worked because nobody else wanted to do it so i just did it there's certain things that works other things it definitely does not work but anyway wait yeah but give it a try robert yeah it's just really concerning yeah oh absolutely yeah i mean i've been holding off because i'm waiting for the correct appointment of you know that local official what they call it it appears they need the select board the cheap official needs to make that appointment right i've done so so i've been telling the town manager or whatever and just we need to move this along so i'll resend the note that i already sent to uh to bill whitney i sent it like well over a month ago I'll send it again.
Is there anything else for updates? I went to the housing partnership meeting. You know, they've got things they're working on. Good Shepherd seems there's no update. The housing production plan they're working on with Robert and Anina and everybody. I have an update on that, too. Yeah. And then so they wanted to talk about how to encourage people to build ADUs. I'm not sure there is a way to do that. But, you know, I did suggest that maybe they should see if the Board of Health is interested in, you know, just suggesting to people when they're getting approval for a septic system to say, you know, just so you know, if you ever want to build an ADU, you could over-design your capacity so that you could build an ADU later on without having to go to such an expense. And so they were going to write to the Board of Health and just suggest that they, you know, if somebody comes in and they said, you know, by the way, you could consider adding capacity so that later on you have this option. And they liked that idea, so they were going to follow up on that. And then they would like to have a meeting with Mr. McCall and the planning board about suggesting, you know, that the town reduced lot sizes and allow alternatives to septic systems so that people can build more houses closer together. Like what would they use instead of septic systems? There are some other sort of, I don't want to say crunchy, but there are some other alternatives. That are approved by MassDEP? I don't know, but they want to talk about it. And I said they... They should, you know, they wanted to meet with us first. And then Mr. McCall and I said, why don't you just schedule one meeting where we're all there? We can do it quickly and move on. Yeah, I would suggest to them that they check with their alternates. Yeah, supposedly these things do get approved in other places, but they should run it by the Board of Health. Actually, they should invite the Board of Health to the meeting too, so. Yeah. But anyway, that's what I have to report. When you say in other places, in Massachusetts? Yep. Really? Yep. They've been pretty picky over the years. Yeah. No, supposedly there are some alternatives. I don't know that they're any cheaper or all that much less land hungry, but... Yeah. It's called suicide. For ADUs, since the cost of building a separate ADU is so expensive, if they really want ADUs, converting living space in an existing house is a better bet. Yeah. As long as you have this separate entry thing. Yeah. Anyway. Well, that's great. It's so nice to know what they're doing.
Yeah, so that's that. Do you know if an ADU can plug into an existing septic system if the... Only if it has capacity. Okay. It has to have capacity. But when we built my other house, which just got sold, we added capacity. When we built the septic system, because we thought, you know, we were building a... Planned on building a separate structure so that we could have somebody living in there if we wanted to. But we never did. Just got sold. Wow.
Mm-hmm. Good for you, Robin. I know. What did they say about the housing production plan? What did they share about that? Please. Let me get... My notes out here. Because I know what's going on. I'm curious. What did they share? That you scored the proposals, that there's no consensus within the group, that one vendor was scrappy and less prepared, and the other one was more slick and experienced. Goldson, I guess, was the one that was more experienced. I wouldn't share the names, but yeah. Yeah. What happened now is we reached out to her. Well, unfortunately, the procurement officer left. She was supposed to send emails to the two proponents asking four different questions to both of the proponents and then get back a response to each of them. She left and didn't send those out. So we sent those out, and then we were getting responses back by Friday. And then when we get back from vacation, we're all going to meet to go review those and then finally choose someone. So it got different. Yeah, because they mentioned you're... You're sort of past your deadline, so you have to wrap it up. They got past the deadline by a month, which is not a deal. So it went a little faster. But hopefully those responses will be helpful for us in the... Making a decision. The numbers that we're revealing. Okay. So I felt like I contributed. Thank you. You're doing it. There you go. They liked my idea. Yeah. Well, that's why you're there. I guess so. Otherwise, that's it. I do want to highlight this. This has not come up yet, but it will come up very soon. The ZBA denied a project for a special permit, which they didn't give the applicant the chance to withdraw without precision, which they should have, but they didn't. Otherwise, anyways. There's a statute in the Master of Law that allows an applicant to reapply within two years if they can show and get approval from the planning board and the ZBA that the project that they're proposing is essentially different than the project that they got denied. So for this project, there is a single-family house on non-conforming lot. They are going to, in the next few months, reapply and submit to the planning board and the ZBA. And the planning board and the ZBA must make a determination that the project that they are submitting is different than the project that got denied. And we have to agree, I assume, that the project they're submitting is substantially different. Correct. You're not approving the project. A lot of people. You're not denying the project. You're just saying, approving, you're just agreeing that this project is different. I've seen what they propose. It is different. But I have also asked them to really spell out. Here are the differences. Here's the floor plans, why it's different. Here's the renderings of why it's different. Really give you all the information so that to you it's very clear or not clear that it's different. That is a statute that I've never seen before, but we've asked town council, and I reviewed it, too. It is in the statute, but the bar is very high, too. It will require a supermajority of the board to vote in favor, or not vote in favor, but vote in agreement that it is. So the differences, in order to be substantial, do they have to be differences that have to do with the reason it was denied? Like if it was denied because it was, this doesn't make sense, but it's the only way I can get this. If it was denied because it was red. And instead. The difference is that they added a window, but it's still red. Is that a substantial difference? I think what you're looking at is size, height, massing, things that would determine, like, yeah, this is a different house. They changed the R-TAC to who it is, so they completely got rid of the R-TAC that they used and got someone brand new to come in and modify the project to show that it's different. Okay. But. So I'm saying, so if it was denied because of the height. And what they did was they changed the massing, but not the height. To me, that's not a substantial difference, perhaps. Is there any guidance on that? On what substantial? There's no real guidance on it. There's case law, but there's no guidance on exactly. We might need some. Yeah, we might need the case law, too. Yeah. I mean, I have the case law. Yeah. Okay. Perhaps share it with us when you. Yeah. But I mean, it would be based on the height, the size. The issue they had was how much square footage it was. I originally gave the ZBA or wrote up a did a quick model of the neighborhood and showed that the house proposed house is much larger than anything in the neighborhood. And they ZBA used that they modified once and then eventually the ZBA just denied it. And the applicant would like to come back in within the two years to redesign the project. So they have they have their work cut out. They need to really convince the plan board and the ZBA that it's a complete different proposed house. And I think that's the dream right now is to really to put that together. So I will be on the agenda once we have an idea and they will have to provide some further information and narrative to explain exactly why. So. But that's coming down the line. I would expect that coming in within the next month or two. So just be ready to really it's a really weird request, but it gives the applicant the chance to come back within two years so they don't have to wait it out. Robert, the scenic road thing. Do you want to brief the board on that? I think it's been resolved, so I'm not really. Well, I want I want the board to understand. So I'll. Now, there was a request from someone about a. Cut doing a new curb cut into a scenic road on plane plane road. I think it was playing doesn't make any difference just to scenic road. Yeah, it's in a road I discussed it with the app. The app can provide a request. I discussed it with the DPW and according to him, I was not aware that it would not be allowed and that circus in the past, the previous town planner allowed it under some provision. Before we posted or did anything or collected any money, money or did anything, I just discussed it with the chair and it was determined that it would not be allowed. You can't have two driveways on any kind of scenic road. So how does happen in the past? The bylaw was modified in the nineties, so if anybody came in before that, then they were fine. But after the nineties, if this one someone if someone did a second curb cut. Then they did it with not their correct permission by the plan board, because the plan board deals on the same road is stonewalls or a star trees. And that's the need of this request so that it will not become a friend. The way the bylaw reads is that you may only have 1. Driveway cut on a scenic road. Per lot, they already have a driveway cut. The gentleman said he didn't feel like it was. It was safe and he wanted to have 2 ways out and and if you look at the bylaw, it says that the planning board can hold a hearing for for dealing with trees on a scenic road, or if we're dealing with stone walls on a scenic road, that's all. It says, so we don't even have the ability. To deal with it, I wasn't aware that circus did that. I have no idea which houses. He may have done it for and it did not go before the board. I'm sure because it's not provided for, and I don't remember ever seeing them. And I actually always watch that because I think it's important to have 1 curb cut on the scenic roads. So I, I told Robert that I just didn't think that we could even have a hearing because I didn't think that under the bylaw, we could address it, that the gentleman could go to the DPW. And. Change his curb cut, he could choose whichever 1 he wanted. And, you know, that would be fine and he'd have to close 1 and open a new 1. But I want everybody to understand those things because. It's disturbing to know. Or to think that a prior employee of the town. Would have violated the bylaw when it is absolutely clear what it says. Okay. Yeah. I don't think anybody's surprised to hear these tales. No, I know. I said to Robert, anytime circus, his name is associated with it. Yeah, just grain of salt. Yeah, okay. Is there anything else that anyone wants to talk about? I think we've hit the agenda items. No, good. Okay. They haven't decided yet. Robert have they went down meeting is. No, this is discussing it. Yeah, it would be like, April. There was a, I thought I saw on a separate calendar somewhere. There was a, a, a proposed like, calendar. If it's this, it's me this day. If it's. Something if something else is this day, they have not determined yet, but. Sometime in May, I believe, or April. I'm not sure big difference and we haven't heard anything about the. Statute that was pending that would also change. Our zoning requirements. Push one. Can't even remember. It's the one that I wrote notes about to. The. Find it in a minute. There was the religious one and then the site plan one. I can't keep track of which one was which. Yeah, that I mean, I just the religious one, you know, it hasn't happened. Well, it hadn't happened yet. I don't know. Right. It wasn't on the Senate bill, I think, was what. Carolyn. The site plan one, right? One in one in the past. Yeah, I think, or they were proposed. I don't know. It's been. The first one that passed was attached to the budget bill. And this one is separate. It was a separate one that was just dealing with zoning thingies. I have to go back. I have not heard. It changed its number. I know. So I had trouble tracking it at a point. Mm hmm. Maybe I was wrong. But it's a separate one. Yeah. Okay. But also on bills, we are right now working with. Representative. To get a bill pass. To add more liquor licenses. So. When we're in now at this, not exactly plenty, but later. Exactly. But it kind of. We are looking, be a people coming in. We've. A last liquor license was given to. Train who just opened today. For. We have petitioned at the last time meeting to add code to the legislature and ask for more liquor licenses. The state has asked us to create a map of showing where we would like to see up to 10 liquor licenses be presented. We provided the state and provided them feedback of here's what we're gonna do. And most of it was based on the town center, Route 20, and the roadside business area, which has leaf farms, because they also are potentially thinking of something. This would only be for a full liquor license. It would not be for beer and or wine malt. We have those licenses, but it doesn't quite affect the planning board exactly, but this is also any kind of new site plans or business in the future, this would be affected, you know, having the correct resources in our back pocket in case, you know, sending a town center. Right now, there'd be no full liquor license for the town center, if the town center wanted to bring in. You mean no extra ones? No extra ones. Not that they would. I was gonna ask if you were discussing this because you thought that the planning board and the members needed more places to go drink. Well, I mean, we're looking at the town center and they are bringing in new businesses. Yeah, they're trying to, yeah. There's a new, they announced a new business today. If you can find it online, there'll be a new ice cream shop coming in to Wayland Town Center, so. Great. New City Creamery has announced today on the Instagram that they're moving from Sudbury to Wayland. And so, wow. Next spring, we should be having an ice cream shop. People are asking where's, and like, I don't know, where in the town center, somewhere in the town center. So, we're following it in ice cream shops, but I think they are looking at bringing some more new businesses, new restaurants in. With Terrain coming in, you know, starting today, people are gonna need places to have rehearsal dinners and stuff like that. Yeah. How was Terrain today? Mod. Was it really? I swung by because I had to go to the post office. Mod. Because over the weekend, it looked like it was mobbed, and, but I didn't think it was. It was a lot. That was just people working. Oh. Well, no, it was mobbed over the weekend because they had a, they had a. A wedding. For people who booked, or thinking of booking, that was, that was why the. Ah. I'm so busy. No, we had a good ribbon cutting today. We had a lot, we had a really good turnout. And I think people are, there's a lot of big energy. People are very excited and, and just wanted, happy to see change there, I think. Yeah. The restaurant was packed when I was there. Yeah. It's nice. Is it actually open now? It's open. Oh yeah. It's open today at 9 a.m. I mean, it's, it's, it's gonna be good. I mean, I think it's a lot, there's a lot of just good energy around here. And I think it's gonna be very helpful to, now to my route 20, having that business there as a kind of anchor, I mean, it's not the anchor business I would think of when you, you know, a few years ago, but it's gonna be really this kind of like good energy. And I think the town center is, is very supportive. They've been really posting about a lot and, and they just want to be good neighbors and be supportive. So we'll see what comes from that. Yeah. And for the town center hearing, we have everything that we need for the hearing. Yeah, they provided all the information. I double checked the person who signed off is the legal Senator. I think you. We need something that says that. No, I, it's, I, I went to the website. It's there. I confirmed it with Jesse too. Okay. And Jesse, I don't feel, feel whatever. We need something to put in the record. However you do that. I went to the, went to the website and, and I also talked to Jesse and Jesse said, yep, he's the legal Senator. He's the only person that can sign off on it. So he's been, he's been, he, but by law, he's the, he's the sign off. Okay. From the one guy, the guy from one of the guys. I'm going to say it one more time. We just need something to put in the record that shows that he is okay. If that is on the secretary of state's web page, for example, that says he is the signatory. That's good. We can just refer to the fact that that's where it is. We'll do that. Okay. All right. Well, I think we should be all set. Okay, good. Anything else before we close? You're pushing. I want to finish packing. I'm leaving tomorrow on vacation. Okay. Again, let me know. Somebody will check in with me if they need anything. Right, Robert? Yep. I give that to Abby and I give the, the agenda. It was given to you by ward argument in case you need to get my applications. You have that and you can reach out to the town clerk. Okay. They'll walk you through how to revise it. Great. Thank you very much. Can I have, is there anybody else who wants to say anything? No? No. Can I have a motion to adjourn? I move to adjourn. Is there a second? So be it.
All in favor. Robin Borgstedt. Yes. Jess, Jessie, honest to God. Ira Montague. Yes. Annette Lewis, yes. Have a nice vacation, Robert. Have a good vacation, Robert. Spend your weeks. Recording stopped.