July 27, 2026 – Wastewater Management – Video & Transcript
July 27, 2026 - Wastewater Management
So this is our July 27th, noon, Wastewater Management District Commission meeting that was posted online at the town website with the agenda and all the remote login. It was noted that was a remote meeting. And the agenda has all the important stuff about being a remote meeting. So with that, this is Mike Gitten, participating remotely.
Darren Bock, participating remotely.
Is there anyone out there for public comment?
There is nobody in the attendees tab. Thank you. So Tom or Sauer, do you know the magic words we need to say or Matt to call this a hearing? I would just say that you're going to take a roll call vote to open up the FY27 Wastewater Rate Hearing. Okay. So I'm going to take a roll call vote to open up the Fiscal Year 27 Wastewater Management District Commission Rate Hearing and vote.
Mike, yes. Let's start. Darren Bock, yes. Okay. So Matt, does someone have the actual rates, Andy? I have them for you. Great.
So this is what I have. I want to make sure everyone can hear me okay. My computer is acting up a little bit. Everyone can hear me okay? Yes. Yes. Okay. So this is what I have as the option that you were focused on the last time we met. I actually believe a vote related to this took place. So this is it. The rate increase of 9% in FY27. I have the rates down below if you want to focus specifically on those. I'm fine going down below to focus on the actual rates. So you want to focus on FY27 column down at the bottom in the rates table. Okay. So we're discussing approving a base rate of $9.56 per, someone should tell, I should know their units. Is it a gallon per day or is it? That's actually 100 cubic feet. 100 cubic feet. I'm adding that to my notes for 100 cubic feet. And then based on usage, tier one is $7.52, 100 cubic feet. And tier two is 2258, 100 cubic feet. In the minutiae, I actually, the base rate, what I have just here on my notes, the base went up 9.01%. The tier one, 8.99. And the tier two, 8.98. So we're trying to cut a little few pennies off.
Rounding. Rounding. Yep. Rounding.
Anything to discuss, Darren? No, like I said, I think this is the rate hearing, right? So we discussed it. This is what we announced or we want to announce. But this is the rate hearing for anyone to come on and ask questions, right? But I mean, we've already discussed all this. So if there's any other further discussion, this is what we plan to sign last month. Yep. So then unless someone's jumped on in the last two minutes, I make a motion that we approve the fiscal year 2027 rates as shown on the screen here. And that I just said before, and that I just said before, base of 956. Tier one is 752. Tier two of 2258 per 100 cubic feet. So just before you, before Darren seconds that, just as a matter of record, Mike, I would still ask the moderator to affirm that there is nobody here to speak to the rates. Just just just so we haven't recorded. OK. There is still nobody in the attendees tab. Right. OK, thank you for checking. So we'll continue with the motion. As stated, Darren, you were second. I second the motion. OK, I second it. And Darren, you in favor? I'm in favor. Darren Bach in favor. Yes. Mike Gitten in favor. So with that, then do I need to make a motion to close the hearing? You do. OK. I make a motion to close the fiscal year 2027 wastewater rate hearing and vote. Any second? I second it. Darren Bach seconds it. OK. Do you approve it? Darren Bach in favor. Yes. Mike Gitten in favor. OK. Thank you, Matt. All right. Yes. Thank you. We'll talk soon. Yeah. Sounds good. Thanks, everyone. Have a great day. Yes, you too. Thank you. You too. Yeah. And have we confirmed that to keep it simple, that we can make just retroactive? And did we need to do that before? Or it doesn't really. Because it's the year, it doesn't matter. Yeah. We looked into it. And from what we can see, it feels it appears to be fine as long as it's, you know, you're in the year and it's the billings are covering things that are happening in this year. So from what we can source, it looks completely fine. And I've seen it done in other communities. We can triple check before we actually make it official, but we should be good. OK.
With that, move on to monthly operating report. Jerry? Yep. So to start off the month, we had our cranes inspected. And unfortunately, the manual crank one did not pass. It was recommended to be replaced. We don't use it too often, so it works for now. We shut off the Ulta grinder. So now the pumps are just chopper pumps. So hopefully, it seems like we're getting less fine materials. The screen seemed to be doing really well capturing that. We got a new AC unit for the treatment plant for the office, which is great. We got our PLC in here, so it's nice and cool, especially when it bakes in the brick, bakes in the heat, the sun. There were a few times where I got some random alarms that, when I logged in, nothing was there. There were no pass alarms, so I had some interesting stuff there. But that leads us to the big event of the month, which was on a Sunday. I remoted in after not hearing from the plant. And all our tanks were exceptionally high, higher than I've seen them before. I was able to restart the SCADA so that it started treating. As I got in the car and called Regan and Wind River, Regan was able to get there very fast and said that he thinks that we were moments away from a sanitary sewer overflow. We got very lucky with that when he started drawing the tanks down. And it ended up, we ended up being fine. We had a few truckloads, but no sanitary sewer overflows. And then we had to look into the cause of this. So what we think was the cause was that the dialer and the router were plugged into the surge protection only and not the battery backup part of the battery backup. So when we would lose power, those would take a little bit longer to boot back up. So that's why we think it didn't call out. So we are looking into getting a heartbeat monitor so that if, for whatever reason, it will be a separate system that for whatever reason, if the main SCADA system can't call out, then that will send an alarm. As of right now, we have a daily test alarm that has been working really well. I get a call around one o'clock, and that means it works. And if I don't get the call, then I have to remote in or here if it's a weekday. And that has been working really well. It's, you know, we've had some small issues. Like recently, we did get SCADA1 back, and LCS thinks because of it being rebuilt, that there was a miscommunication with them. So that was just resolved and seems to have fixed a certain issue with acknowledging alarms. We were still getting the alarm calls during this time.
And that was the month of June. So the overflow was a timing issue, and it's just a couple hours of it not getting back? Yeah, it was actually, yeah, I can go into more detail. We lost power on Saturday, and it didn't call out. And on Sunday morning is when I remoted in. We did actually get somewhat lucky in that one of the anoxic floats failed. So it kept the EQ pumps on. If those didn't stay on, it probably would have backed up into the EQ and overflowed that way, or even worse, at the Route 20 pump station. But, yeah, it was essentially offline for 24 hours.
And that, I did take a, was that in the last DMR report that came out where there was some funky days that looked odd? Or is that earlier? Yeah, I believe that should have been in the last few months. So that, that's why it was, there was, some just looked odd. It was a real heavy, a low followed by a very heavy day. Yeah. Yeah, that would have been it. I was, I, it didn't rain, so I was like, okay.
In other news, our average flow seems to be much more closer to like 34,000, 35,000 gallons per day. Um, so I think we're seeing some of that, that increase in, um, available flow that we sold out. Good. Hey. So we got the seniors in there, wait till we get the party who was in there. And then we'll be all set. So I guess my question, it seems like when we have issues, it's when we lose power. And that's when we asked, did the backup generator kick in on last call? Which the backup generator should have, right? So we shouldn't have lost power. So what made this one different? I guess what I'm trying to get to is, is there something we should be tested monthly of like scenarios, like various scenarios? And like, are we handled for it? It just seems like we're running into power scenarios that we handle as an emergency, but is there any of them that we can do proactively to test? That's what I'm trying to get to. Yeah. So, so we do think this specific issue was because the dialer and the router were, um, not on the battery backup. So when they lost power and then got it back, it took them a few minutes or seconds to, to boot up. So then skate is trying to call out while the dialer is not present. So then it kind of just had this, you know, gave up or it kind of thought it was perpetually calling out. Um, the other thing about the generator is I, I don't know when it kicks on when I'm, um, not there. We did have a moment last week or the week before where I was here and we lost power generator kicked on. I had to reset some things. And then when the switch off the generator power, I didn't have to reset anything. So that was a smooth transition. Um, but we are also working with Daigle electric. We have the on-call contract with, um, to set up a, I think it was a surge monitoring or a surge spike monitoring, something to, to monitor, um, um, the, the power coming into the building so we can see what's going on over the course of two, four, eight weeks. Um, and then also we do have the generator tests, um, weekly Wilson controls recommended, um, potentially doing a load bearing test that actually shifts all the power to the generator. Um, so we're also looking into that and seeing how we can go about doing that.
Okay.
When, when, when they came and pumped the, um, tanks down, did they, did they then take it off for disposal or do they put it back in the system when, when it caught up a little bit? Um, they took it back for disposal, um, it, it, it, while the treatment plant was able to catch up with, with everything, um, it just, it would have been, it took, so it took like overnight for it to catch up. So they would have had to be waiting there. Is, is this a, this, this response significant, like budget wise, or is it just part of, uh, maintenance? Do you think, um, I don't, I think it was three trucks total. Um, so I, I think, I think it would be a small hit on the contingency if I were to wager, I guess. You, with the crane, that's fat, that's not, that's should be replaced. What's it used for? Um, just for like lifting or lowering anything into the basement. So, um, last year when we got a new blower, um, Pride Environmental used that crane to lower it down. Um, but it's not typically used. Um, I mean, even the electric crane, we don't typically use, um, either. So, um, both are pretty rare occurrences. Would it be tied to a, some sort of emergency need or would it be more something planned where we could think about whether the crane's up for the task? Um, I would, I would think that when we can plan ahead, um, I think the electric crane, since those would be like lifting up the MBRs, um, I think that would be, you know, necessary for emergency situations. Um, but this one, I don't, I don't see, um, requiring that.
Okay. So if, if there was a need, we'd have enough time to plan and integrate, integrate the crane into whatever the need was. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And can you explain the Alta grinder? Is that related to the, the fog issue or is it something different? Yeah, it's, it's different than the fog. Um, basically the, all the flow coming into Alta was going, passing through a grinder before it, um, entered the wet well and then we get pumped over to us. Um, and so the thought was that this grinder is, is making these particles much finer than the chopper pumps will, which then makes them more, um, capable of passing through our screens. So by turning the grinder off, we're hoping to get slightly bigger solids that are less likely to pass through and then less likely to be in our system and like plugging, uh, plugging up our screens. Okay. Is that, is that our grinder pump or something they do before it gets to us? Um, it's in our wet well. Uh, so I believe that's ours. And to keep the thought going, is there any update on the fog issue with, with, with Alta or? We're still working on a memo to send them. We have all the data now and the references back to our rules and regulations. What we're doing now is trying to pair a cost model to compare what pumping it out and cleaning it annually would be for them versus what installing, um, a new primary treatment would be for them. Um, so we're still working on those costs.
If, if for some reason it went to that type of, it'd be nice that we don't have to pay ahead and bill them. Yes. If that's possible.
We're going to pull a Foxborough year. We want our money up front. Right. Yes. Well, we were able to figure out something with the, um, town center and the study for wastewater treatment, um, at the treatment plant. Um, so maybe we can use that kind of a model to do that.
Darren, anything operational?
No, I'm good, Mike. I'm off camera really quick, but I'll be back on. Sure. Okay. Uh, next, uh, Sarah financial report. Let me share. Sorry. I just lost it.
Sorry. Technical trouble here. All right. It's opening on the other screen and then I somehow closed it out a minute ago. See if we can get it over here. There we go. All right. You, you lost it. Do you see it? No. We're back to Matt's. Yeah. Oh, okay. We did for a moment. Oh, you know what? I think it, it's operating on my other screen, which is not normally what it does. Okay. So can you see it now? Yes. Yep. Okay. All right. All right. So this is a hundred percent of the way through the year. So this is the close of FY26, which is interesting to look at now that I want to say it's mostly closed. There are still some bills that are being paid, you know, for last year because they have purchase orders. So that's okay. So there will be some, I'm sure additional expenses, but in the end, the very, very bottom of total operating and capital expenses is 98.2%. So that's a good place to be. Just came in under. It'll probably go up a little bit more when some of these bills process through for last year, but definitely close, but good.
There's really nothing shocking in these. We were pretty much almost there last time we met. So it's really just a final round of like, you know, utility bills, maybe a little bit of consulting bills and whatnot. So we should be okay. Yeah. I was going to say, why is the incumbent then still at 107? Sorry. Let me go. Oh, that's that, which section up here? So that's the forecast column. So that's, yes. I look at the far too, right. Is your, you know, that's your predictor. Yeah. Right. And accruals and kind of like, okay, what is, what do we think it's going to end up where everything to the left is actuals of what's happening. And that should, as a close should just totally balance right now at this point. So the goods are at 106, I think we're a little over impersonal in like salaries, but the goods and services combined ended up less because of the services must've been under, I'm going to guess. So we end up, I'm trying to work my way through this too. And then we have our debt down here. I'm, you know what I was wondering is the incumbent column, the next column over where you have. Oh, sorry. Yes. So we have some things that will be liquidated completely. So that will not actually be 107. They're just not shown as liquidated in this particular report, but they will be, we're not going to still have like some of this. I think the sludge has a huge number on it. That's not going to really be there. Um, so there's a lot of closing that still has to happen, but it would, that will definitely come down. It will not be 107. It's just not all closed out yet. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. Yeah. So you're still sticking with your forecast and your forecast is kind of feeling really good about it. Once the incumbent, like you said, gets closing. Okay. Exactly. Okay. All right. And then we go down to revenues and the most interesting thing is of course, user charges, which previously we had a 690,000 target and we're well above that at 715. A lot of that is due to just, there's definitely a lot of kind of catch up in the finance and treasury world that happens at the end of the, of the year. Um, so a lot of things tend to bulk up at the end. Um, same thing happened with interest. Um, there's just a lot of things. I think they get done all at once at the close of the year to kind of reconcile some of these categories, these accounts. So that's good news. It's moving more than we thought. And of course that puts us even higher than we intended to end at. This is pretty much definite at this point because nothing else is going to come in now or past the June 30th. So this is the close of June 30th, as far as revenue goes. So it's even better. It ends up with, you know, a grand total at the, just under 1.5, which is quite a bit over.
Yeah. But that was, that's due to our privilege fees. I mean, why we know it's largely. Right. Largely due to that, which is part of what we're investing into the study, which I'm interested in that, whether we kick that off, but that's another discussion yet. Um, and this goes, you know, we don't have to pull from retained and that should help us in future years. Lower, you know, the need to not have as high of a rate increase is what we're in addition to getting more users on. It's okay.
Yeah. And that's pretty much it. There's really nothing new. Same capital projects. Yep. That's pretty much done. Yeah. The low pressure sewer replacement. I don't think we've paid all those bills yet, but it will be on. Um, and that, those all carry over to the next year anyway. So no real big surprises, kind of your forecast as you've been tracking all years, kind of come in, in line with what you were predicting, actually a little bit upside. The things were healthier than you thought. Yeah. But, you know, again, I always look back, I try to look back and say, okay, what would I change in my forecast so that I get better every quarter. Right. And every year. So I would just use it as an opportunity to kind of like, okay, what, what did I predict? Well, what did I not? And how do we just continue to update the forecast to make it as good as possible? And a forecast is perfect. We would, none of us would be here if we could forecast perfectly, because we would all be extremely wealthy and whatever we're doing. Right. Uh, so a forecast is meant to have variability. So, yeah, you know, we're at the mercy of some other things that go on when it comes to like revenue being posted and tracked. So unfortunately we only know what we have, you know, available to us, um, as it comes in from other departments. But, um, yeah, so that's, that's the one good surprise I wasn't expecting. So there was a shift in just billing cycles. Has that worked itself through? So it would be more standard this year? Yes. We are fully quarterly all the way across all, definitely all the, all the wastewater accounts, but the entire town and, um, everything. It will be a regular four bill year. Um, the next one for us, we'll go out at the, I believe it is August for us next, August 10th, right around there.
Okay. Um, yeah, I, I have nothing else on the finance finances, Darren, anything? No, I'm good. I'm good. Okay. Um, next, uh, yeah. Thanks.
Um, requests for services, you know, last time we spoke, we were, we had nothing to offer. Um, any, any more requests come in? No, nothing new. No, we haven't had to say no to anyone yet. So that's good news. Has, has the, um, um, the condo folks, have they made their connection yet? They made their connection. Jared and Tom Lashman, the surveyor, were out there. They just met with them at the end of last week to finalize as-built drawings and, um, the tie cards. So, great. And, and the library is totally up and- It's going strong.
And it, though, I, I think this is a time where it is in the theme of the agenda where, where Darren was saying, so the, the, um, the system review to, to help with the increasing what we can, uh, offer. Or is, has that started? Is there anything to update or? How much to update other than we're putting together the task order, trying to execute that and kick it off. Okay. Is, is part of it going to include the formula we use for the, um, using a Title V number versus what we actually allocate? Or is it going to focus just on the, the, the, the units, the, the components of the system? We will balance some of that right now. A lot of our rate charges come from our base fees. So, um, we were basically going to go system by system and compare actual use to, um, needs. And then using that formula for places that have had connections for over three years so that we sort of have a trend line on what their actual uses are. And then as we get some smaller requests, like we did for the, uh, couple of new condos at Hastings way, sort of shifting, um, design flows and things like that, that way, instead of doing, um, uh, holistic, um, recalculation all at once. You, you, you raise a good point. I mean, I was, I was thinking more for us internally to allow us to set our numbers, not, not because it does have a retroactive effect and a fairness impact on everyone. I was thinking more about us being more comfortable that we could allocate more flow based on Title V, based on the history versus retroactively changing anything. Um, because I think, I think the, I think the, the, the health department would have to be involved because somehow they have their finger in this process. Right. Right. I remember when they update, updated their, their regs, I was surprised how on the books, they have a lot of say in what we do. Um, in terms of, um, what the design flow would be for a new connection. Yep. Um, we need, we should check with, yeah, I, my intent when I asked the question was more when we update, when we hopefully soon when the study's done. And we say, well, without investing more money, we could, we could take this much more flow. And, and then the second part would be, well, can you tell us on design flow, how much that means conservatively? Um, cause I, I forget the ratio we're even had historically used, um, we could use versus what we charge people. Um, well, we can do some of that based on, you know, if it was a place like the library, we would know what their water use was prior to their connection. So we can look at what their past water uses were. We can also look at similar businesses. So if it's a new dentist and we can have some desk dentists online, we can compare, um, what that is. So we can do some of that. It's easier to do with connections that we have currently. And then we can assess what they actually use based on what they were designed to use. Um, it's more difficult if you have a brand new user and assigning them a flow less than title five. Okay. Well, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking in our numbers when we, after we're done with this, we're going to come back and say, right now we're, we're, we have a cap. I don't have it in front of me of, of an anticipated flow, which is based on a ratio of the design flow that we've allocated. Yes. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about changing the way we set people up. I think that would be, we'd have a lot of equity issues if we change that. I'm talking just on this committee and how we give out flow. So that's what I'm talking about at that level, but we can, let's get through the, the, the process. Um, and, and we're, you still as town center and the, and whatever the call in the place across the street gets up terrain, terrain, terrain. That's going to give us quite a test of, of what, well, we'll know you may be able to call off the study or refocus it. If we start having more issues, when, when the, the, the sold use comes on more realistically, there's, there's nothing to talk about without investing money.
I think the simple, a simple answer. Okay. We'll find out from the survey. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. From their simple answer, Mike is yes. So we're definitely looking at design flows and what the treatment plan can do. Um, as we get more into that, into the scope of work, we can talk about, um, the details. So did that, did that kick off yet? Do we have the survey kicking off and all that? Um, we have a task order that we're finalizing now. Okay. All right. And when do we expect to have the results of that? Like at the, uh, I know you're finalizing, we got to get people to do it. It was still September. I think we talked about Tom, right? That we would have kind of an idea of what kind of motorcycle we have.
I would imagine it would probably be longer than September. And knowing that we're just crafting a task order now, I'm sure if you have a better sense of the duration of that evaluation, but I, I have a sense that it would, September would be ambitious. Ambitious. Okay. Goes all the way through designing what alternatives would be and giving us, um, uh, opinion of a probable cost and options. So that will take much longer in terms of design flows and things like that. Um, I can, I can find out how, how long that would take. Part of it was, what can our existing plant do, right? Based upon the upgrades we made, because we made capital improvements, right? To the tanks, um, the painting, you know, all the different things we've done. What is our new plant? What, what can it do as is we're weighing and then, okay, then you're done also include, okay. If you want to, maybe the new study says, yeah, you're, you're safe going another 10,000 gallons of actual use, not design actual and says, yeah, you're, you're safe with redundancy with. You know, all the different stuff we're looking at and we're operating as Tom used to say, 70 miles per hour, 75 on that motorcycle. Um, and just to have to run along, cruising, doing great. And we're fine with safety. And then hopefully they do options as well. That says, okay, some new restaurant, some new residential, whatever it is says, Hey, I want 20,000. This is what it would require so that that company or that play coming in goes, okay, this is what you would need to invest in us versus building your own septic or your own plant. Yeah. Yeah. So we have, um, sort of tiers and in terms of what we're looking at, one is to get up to what the design ability of our existing plant is. Right. Um, the next would be, what would it take to get, um, you know, 10% more or whatever. 10% or, or to our, our discharge permits so that we wouldn't have to need more groundwater discharge permits. So what would it take to get closer to that? That DEP is not going to want us to be gallon for gallon, but how do we get closer to that? Um, and then what would be the next step if we actually needed more groundwater discharge? Perfect. Okay. Sounds good. So we got three things kind of going, right? Yeah. So you're pretty much, Abby, taking it as a given that the surface water discharge would be very difficult to, to alter at this point. That's right.
Doubling what our plant can go through it and still doesn't get us to discharge to what we are actually flowing, Mike, not design. Yeah. That's true. Unless we're talking about bringing on new, um, residential areas like the, um, residential area down by the Longfellow Tennis Club or where Mahoney's used to be. Then, then sort of a different order of magnitude. Right. Which is what the option two in this study will be or, or yeah, perfect. Yeah. Okay.
Darren, anything else on service related matters? No, no, we had no new connections and we got our study looking at, you know, we're not kicked it off yet, but once you get that kicked off, I think this will be really good to see. Again, again, looking forward to seeing what our new motorcycle looks like. Yeah. Great. Or refurbished, whatever it is. Exactly. Renovated. Renovated. There you go. Or renovated. That's the word you use on a motorcycle, but yes. Yeah. Um, what, uh, did, did minutes come around? Do we have any minutes? Yeah. I read through them. I'm good with mine. Darren, are you able to get into your, your Wayland email account? I am. I usually do it through my phone. I don't, I never log in through my computer. I always do it by my phone and I had no issues today. And I know I have to take my, uh, I'm going to take my, uh, integrity class there. So I'll be doing that. Yep.
Yeah. I have, I have no comments. Then I'm good. So make a motion to approve the June 8th, 2026, uh, meeting minutes. Darren Bach seconds that. Okay. I approve the minutes. Yes. Darren Bach in favor. Yes. Okay. Anything else to discuss? There was one item that Sarah had brought up earlier this morning. Um, we have yet to get a reminder, but I'm sure it's going to be, uh, soon is the annual report is generally due, uh, at the end of September. Uh, you know, so now I know Mike that, um, I think you generally use the years prior just as a example of the format. Um, if you were so inclined to start taking a look at that, um, and, uh, you know, I, I'm, and I'm thinking there was, uh, I mean, and I, uh, I, I'm thinking there was a desire perhaps to, uh, to, uh, to, uh, to not meet until September, which I know staff is supportive of, but, uh, I, I, I don't think having that, uh, delayed until September, if you wanted to take a crack at that. You could even send it to staff here. We could go over it for you. And then we'll have that as a September agenda item. And you'd be able to vote conditional upon any edits that you decided to have at that September meeting. And we would be in plenty of time for that deadline at the end of September. Okay. Yep. And I do have a question too. Do we need to come in to sign the rates? Yes. Yes. So if, I mean, Sarah, when you put together that rate sheet or whatever, we can reach out if you wanted. You can come anytime. It'll be ready. I already had it. I had to post it when we posted this for the 30 day window. So it's, it's ready. It'll be printed and sitting on the counter for whomever wants to come in. All right, Mike, you can make it in too.
Yeah. I'll probably make it in on Friday. Yeah. I was going to say same, same here. If you could, so it is, it is ready, Sarah? Yes. I'll print it. Yeah. By the next hour, it'll be ready. What are the, what are the office hours there? So on Fridays for the summer, we don't have, we do have some field labor in, but we, we don't have any administrative staff here on Fridays. You know, so at any point during Monday through Thursday, and it's, you know, it doesn't have to be this week. You know, it was voted. We just need to have them signed, you know, at some point in the near future, but if it, I'll make it in next week. Yeah. Cause I'm not in New England right now. So yeah. Yeah. I I'm, I'm going to be out. What are, what are the, what are the, when is someone around that could show me an envelope, a folder with a piece of paper in it Monday through Thursday? What are the, what are the hours then? Um, it would be a seven 30 to four 30. Somebody's here. I, I think we only have one person sign it each year is what I'm, I'm kind of looking at that right now, but I feel like we voted on that. We voted on that in the meeting. That's right. You're right. Or yeah, I, I, I, I, yeah, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll get me up early. I'll, I'll, I can stop by my way in one morning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll, I'll get there. Yeah. I, I'll be out of town the next two weeks. So I just want to get it done. Yep. All right. We'll, we'll be there, Sarah. Okay. All right. I gotta, I gotta run too. Yeah. Okay. I make a motion. Will you join? But when's our next meeting? Just real quick. We don't have it. We don't have it on the books though. I don't think. I'm not sure. Let me double check unless I'm wrong. Um, I know you have to go. So September 7th or 14th, what do you want to do? 14th. 14th. 14th. Let's do 14th. Yeah. It was the 7th is a late labor day. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I got it. So let's do it. 14th at noon. Yep. Perfect. Perfect. All right. I got it in there. Okay. With that, I make a motion. We join the meeting. I second that motion. Everybody have a good summer. You too. Yes. Darren said yes. We'll see you in September. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
There is nobody in the attendees tab. Thank you. So Tom or Sauer, do you know the magic words we need to say or Matt to call this a hearing? I would just say that you're going to take a roll call vote to open up the FY27 Wastewater Rate Hearing. Okay. So I'm going to take a roll call vote to open up the Fiscal Year 27 Wastewater Management District Commission Rate Hearing and vote.
Mike, yes. Let's start. Darren Bock, yes. Okay. So Matt, does someone have the actual rates, Andy? I have them for you. Great.
So this is what I have. I want to make sure everyone can hear me okay. My computer is acting up a little bit. Everyone can hear me okay? Yes. Yes. Okay. So this is what I have as the option that you were focused on the last time we met. I actually believe a vote related to this took place. So this is it. The rate increase of 9% in FY27. I have the rates down below if you want to focus specifically on those. I'm fine going down below to focus on the actual rates. So you want to focus on FY27 column down at the bottom in the rates table. Okay. So we're discussing approving a base rate of $9.56 per, someone should tell, I should know their units. Is it a gallon per day or is it? That's actually 100 cubic feet. 100 cubic feet. I'm adding that to my notes for 100 cubic feet. And then based on usage, tier one is $7.52, 100 cubic feet. And tier two is 2258, 100 cubic feet. In the minutiae, I actually, the base rate, what I have just here on my notes, the base went up 9.01%. The tier one, 8.99. And the tier two, 8.98. So we're trying to cut a little few pennies off.
Rounding. Rounding. Yep. Rounding.
Anything to discuss, Darren? No, like I said, I think this is the rate hearing, right? So we discussed it. This is what we announced or we want to announce. But this is the rate hearing for anyone to come on and ask questions, right? But I mean, we've already discussed all this. So if there's any other further discussion, this is what we plan to sign last month. Yep. So then unless someone's jumped on in the last two minutes, I make a motion that we approve the fiscal year 2027 rates as shown on the screen here. And that I just said before, and that I just said before, base of 956. Tier one is 752. Tier two of 2258 per 100 cubic feet. So just before you, before Darren seconds that, just as a matter of record, Mike, I would still ask the moderator to affirm that there is nobody here to speak to the rates. Just just just so we haven't recorded. OK. There is still nobody in the attendees tab. Right. OK, thank you for checking. So we'll continue with the motion. As stated, Darren, you were second. I second the motion. OK, I second it. And Darren, you in favor? I'm in favor. Darren Bach in favor. Yes. Mike Gitten in favor. So with that, then do I need to make a motion to close the hearing? You do. OK. I make a motion to close the fiscal year 2027 wastewater rate hearing and vote. Any second? I second it. Darren Bach seconds it. OK. Do you approve it? Darren Bach in favor. Yes. Mike Gitten in favor. OK. Thank you, Matt. All right. Yes. Thank you. We'll talk soon. Yeah. Sounds good. Thanks, everyone. Have a great day. Yes, you too. Thank you. You too. Yeah. And have we confirmed that to keep it simple, that we can make just retroactive? And did we need to do that before? Or it doesn't really. Because it's the year, it doesn't matter. Yeah. We looked into it. And from what we can see, it feels it appears to be fine as long as it's, you know, you're in the year and it's the billings are covering things that are happening in this year. So from what we can source, it looks completely fine. And I've seen it done in other communities. We can triple check before we actually make it official, but we should be good. OK.
With that, move on to monthly operating report. Jerry? Yep. So to start off the month, we had our cranes inspected. And unfortunately, the manual crank one did not pass. It was recommended to be replaced. We don't use it too often, so it works for now. We shut off the Ulta grinder. So now the pumps are just chopper pumps. So hopefully, it seems like we're getting less fine materials. The screen seemed to be doing really well capturing that. We got a new AC unit for the treatment plant for the office, which is great. We got our PLC in here, so it's nice and cool, especially when it bakes in the brick, bakes in the heat, the sun. There were a few times where I got some random alarms that, when I logged in, nothing was there. There were no pass alarms, so I had some interesting stuff there. But that leads us to the big event of the month, which was on a Sunday. I remoted in after not hearing from the plant. And all our tanks were exceptionally high, higher than I've seen them before. I was able to restart the SCADA so that it started treating. As I got in the car and called Regan and Wind River, Regan was able to get there very fast and said that he thinks that we were moments away from a sanitary sewer overflow. We got very lucky with that when he started drawing the tanks down. And it ended up, we ended up being fine. We had a few truckloads, but no sanitary sewer overflows. And then we had to look into the cause of this. So what we think was the cause was that the dialer and the router were plugged into the surge protection only and not the battery backup part of the battery backup. So when we would lose power, those would take a little bit longer to boot back up. So that's why we think it didn't call out. So we are looking into getting a heartbeat monitor so that if, for whatever reason, it will be a separate system that for whatever reason, if the main SCADA system can't call out, then that will send an alarm. As of right now, we have a daily test alarm that has been working really well. I get a call around one o'clock, and that means it works. And if I don't get the call, then I have to remote in or here if it's a weekday. And that has been working really well. It's, you know, we've had some small issues. Like recently, we did get SCADA1 back, and LCS thinks because of it being rebuilt, that there was a miscommunication with them. So that was just resolved and seems to have fixed a certain issue with acknowledging alarms. We were still getting the alarm calls during this time.
And that was the month of June. So the overflow was a timing issue, and it's just a couple hours of it not getting back? Yeah, it was actually, yeah, I can go into more detail. We lost power on Saturday, and it didn't call out. And on Sunday morning is when I remoted in. We did actually get somewhat lucky in that one of the anoxic floats failed. So it kept the EQ pumps on. If those didn't stay on, it probably would have backed up into the EQ and overflowed that way, or even worse, at the Route 20 pump station. But, yeah, it was essentially offline for 24 hours.
And that, I did take a, was that in the last DMR report that came out where there was some funky days that looked odd? Or is that earlier? Yeah, I believe that should have been in the last few months. So that, that's why it was, there was, some just looked odd. It was a real heavy, a low followed by a very heavy day. Yeah. Yeah, that would have been it. I was, I, it didn't rain, so I was like, okay.
In other news, our average flow seems to be much more closer to like 34,000, 35,000 gallons per day. Um, so I think we're seeing some of that, that increase in, um, available flow that we sold out. Good. Hey. So we got the seniors in there, wait till we get the party who was in there. And then we'll be all set. So I guess my question, it seems like when we have issues, it's when we lose power. And that's when we asked, did the backup generator kick in on last call? Which the backup generator should have, right? So we shouldn't have lost power. So what made this one different? I guess what I'm trying to get to is, is there something we should be tested monthly of like scenarios, like various scenarios? And like, are we handled for it? It just seems like we're running into power scenarios that we handle as an emergency, but is there any of them that we can do proactively to test? That's what I'm trying to get to. Yeah. So, so we do think this specific issue was because the dialer and the router were, um, not on the battery backup. So when they lost power and then got it back, it took them a few minutes or seconds to, to boot up. So then skate is trying to call out while the dialer is not present. So then it kind of just had this, you know, gave up or it kind of thought it was perpetually calling out. Um, the other thing about the generator is I, I don't know when it kicks on when I'm, um, not there. We did have a moment last week or the week before where I was here and we lost power generator kicked on. I had to reset some things. And then when the switch off the generator power, I didn't have to reset anything. So that was a smooth transition. Um, but we are also working with Daigle electric. We have the on-call contract with, um, to set up a, I think it was a surge monitoring or a surge spike monitoring, something to, to monitor, um, um, the, the power coming into the building so we can see what's going on over the course of two, four, eight weeks. Um, and then also we do have the generator tests, um, weekly Wilson controls recommended, um, potentially doing a load bearing test that actually shifts all the power to the generator. Um, so we're also looking into that and seeing how we can go about doing that.
Okay.
When, when, when they came and pumped the, um, tanks down, did they, did they then take it off for disposal or do they put it back in the system when, when it caught up a little bit? Um, they took it back for disposal, um, it, it, it, while the treatment plant was able to catch up with, with everything, um, it just, it would have been, it took, so it took like overnight for it to catch up. So they would have had to be waiting there. Is, is this a, this, this response significant, like budget wise, or is it just part of, uh, maintenance? Do you think, um, I don't, I think it was three trucks total. Um, so I, I think, I think it would be a small hit on the contingency if I were to wager, I guess. You, with the crane, that's fat, that's not, that's should be replaced. What's it used for? Um, just for like lifting or lowering anything into the basement. So, um, last year when we got a new blower, um, Pride Environmental used that crane to lower it down. Um, but it's not typically used. Um, I mean, even the electric crane, we don't typically use, um, either. So, um, both are pretty rare occurrences. Would it be tied to a, some sort of emergency need or would it be more something planned where we could think about whether the crane's up for the task? Um, I would, I would think that when we can plan ahead, um, I think the electric crane, since those would be like lifting up the MBRs, um, I think that would be, you know, necessary for emergency situations. Um, but this one, I don't, I don't see, um, requiring that.
Okay. So if, if there was a need, we'd have enough time to plan and integrate, integrate the crane into whatever the need was. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And can you explain the Alta grinder? Is that related to the, the fog issue or is it something different? Yeah, it's, it's different than the fog. Um, basically the, all the flow coming into Alta was going, passing through a grinder before it, um, entered the wet well and then we get pumped over to us. Um, and so the thought was that this grinder is, is making these particles much finer than the chopper pumps will, which then makes them more, um, capable of passing through our screens. So by turning the grinder off, we're hoping to get slightly bigger solids that are less likely to pass through and then less likely to be in our system and like plugging, uh, plugging up our screens. Okay. Is that, is that our grinder pump or something they do before it gets to us? Um, it's in our wet well. Uh, so I believe that's ours. And to keep the thought going, is there any update on the fog issue with, with, with Alta or? We're still working on a memo to send them. We have all the data now and the references back to our rules and regulations. What we're doing now is trying to pair a cost model to compare what pumping it out and cleaning it annually would be for them versus what installing, um, a new primary treatment would be for them. Um, so we're still working on those costs.
If, if for some reason it went to that type of, it'd be nice that we don't have to pay ahead and bill them. Yes. If that's possible.
We're going to pull a Foxborough year. We want our money up front. Right. Yes. Well, we were able to figure out something with the, um, town center and the study for wastewater treatment, um, at the treatment plant. Um, so maybe we can use that kind of a model to do that.
Darren, anything operational?
No, I'm good, Mike. I'm off camera really quick, but I'll be back on. Sure. Okay. Uh, next, uh, Sarah financial report. Let me share. Sorry. I just lost it.
Sorry. Technical trouble here. All right. It's opening on the other screen and then I somehow closed it out a minute ago. See if we can get it over here. There we go. All right. You, you lost it. Do you see it? No. We're back to Matt's. Yeah. Oh, okay. We did for a moment. Oh, you know what? I think it, it's operating on my other screen, which is not normally what it does. Okay. So can you see it now? Yes. Yep. Okay. All right. All right. So this is a hundred percent of the way through the year. So this is the close of FY26, which is interesting to look at now that I want to say it's mostly closed. There are still some bills that are being paid, you know, for last year because they have purchase orders. So that's okay. So there will be some, I'm sure additional expenses, but in the end, the very, very bottom of total operating and capital expenses is 98.2%. So that's a good place to be. Just came in under. It'll probably go up a little bit more when some of these bills process through for last year, but definitely close, but good.
There's really nothing shocking in these. We were pretty much almost there last time we met. So it's really just a final round of like, you know, utility bills, maybe a little bit of consulting bills and whatnot. So we should be okay. Yeah. I was going to say, why is the incumbent then still at 107? Sorry. Let me go. Oh, that's that, which section up here? So that's the forecast column. So that's, yes. I look at the far too, right. Is your, you know, that's your predictor. Yeah. Right. And accruals and kind of like, okay, what is, what do we think it's going to end up where everything to the left is actuals of what's happening. And that should, as a close should just totally balance right now at this point. So the goods are at 106, I think we're a little over impersonal in like salaries, but the goods and services combined ended up less because of the services must've been under, I'm going to guess. So we end up, I'm trying to work my way through this too. And then we have our debt down here. I'm, you know what I was wondering is the incumbent column, the next column over where you have. Oh, sorry. Yes. So we have some things that will be liquidated completely. So that will not actually be 107. They're just not shown as liquidated in this particular report, but they will be, we're not going to still have like some of this. I think the sludge has a huge number on it. That's not going to really be there. Um, so there's a lot of closing that still has to happen, but it would, that will definitely come down. It will not be 107. It's just not all closed out yet. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. Yeah. So you're still sticking with your forecast and your forecast is kind of feeling really good about it. Once the incumbent, like you said, gets closing. Okay. Exactly. Okay. All right. And then we go down to revenues and the most interesting thing is of course, user charges, which previously we had a 690,000 target and we're well above that at 715. A lot of that is due to just, there's definitely a lot of kind of catch up in the finance and treasury world that happens at the end of the, of the year. Um, so a lot of things tend to bulk up at the end. Um, same thing happened with interest. Um, there's just a lot of things. I think they get done all at once at the close of the year to kind of reconcile some of these categories, these accounts. So that's good news. It's moving more than we thought. And of course that puts us even higher than we intended to end at. This is pretty much definite at this point because nothing else is going to come in now or past the June 30th. So this is the close of June 30th, as far as revenue goes. So it's even better. It ends up with, you know, a grand total at the, just under 1.5, which is quite a bit over.
Yeah. But that was, that's due to our privilege fees. I mean, why we know it's largely. Right. Largely due to that, which is part of what we're investing into the study, which I'm interested in that, whether we kick that off, but that's another discussion yet. Um, and this goes, you know, we don't have to pull from retained and that should help us in future years. Lower, you know, the need to not have as high of a rate increase is what we're in addition to getting more users on. It's okay.
Yeah. And that's pretty much it. There's really nothing new. Same capital projects. Yep. That's pretty much done. Yeah. The low pressure sewer replacement. I don't think we've paid all those bills yet, but it will be on. Um, and that, those all carry over to the next year anyway. So no real big surprises, kind of your forecast as you've been tracking all years, kind of come in, in line with what you were predicting, actually a little bit upside. The things were healthier than you thought. Yeah. But, you know, again, I always look back, I try to look back and say, okay, what would I change in my forecast so that I get better every quarter. Right. And every year. So I would just use it as an opportunity to kind of like, okay, what, what did I predict? Well, what did I not? And how do we just continue to update the forecast to make it as good as possible? And a forecast is perfect. We would, none of us would be here if we could forecast perfectly, because we would all be extremely wealthy and whatever we're doing. Right. Uh, so a forecast is meant to have variability. So, yeah, you know, we're at the mercy of some other things that go on when it comes to like revenue being posted and tracked. So unfortunately we only know what we have, you know, available to us, um, as it comes in from other departments. But, um, yeah, so that's, that's the one good surprise I wasn't expecting. So there was a shift in just billing cycles. Has that worked itself through? So it would be more standard this year? Yes. We are fully quarterly all the way across all, definitely all the, all the wastewater accounts, but the entire town and, um, everything. It will be a regular four bill year. Um, the next one for us, we'll go out at the, I believe it is August for us next, August 10th, right around there.
Okay. Um, yeah, I, I have nothing else on the finance finances, Darren, anything? No, I'm good. I'm good. Okay. Um, next, uh, yeah. Thanks.
Um, requests for services, you know, last time we spoke, we were, we had nothing to offer. Um, any, any more requests come in? No, nothing new. No, we haven't had to say no to anyone yet. So that's good news. Has, has the, um, um, the condo folks, have they made their connection yet? They made their connection. Jared and Tom Lashman, the surveyor, were out there. They just met with them at the end of last week to finalize as-built drawings and, um, the tie cards. So, great. And, and the library is totally up and- It's going strong.
And it, though, I, I think this is a time where it is in the theme of the agenda where, where Darren was saying, so the, the, um, the system review to, to help with the increasing what we can, uh, offer. Or is, has that started? Is there anything to update or? How much to update other than we're putting together the task order, trying to execute that and kick it off. Okay. Is, is part of it going to include the formula we use for the, um, using a Title V number versus what we actually allocate? Or is it going to focus just on the, the, the, the units, the, the components of the system? We will balance some of that right now. A lot of our rate charges come from our base fees. So, um, we were basically going to go system by system and compare actual use to, um, needs. And then using that formula for places that have had connections for over three years so that we sort of have a trend line on what their actual uses are. And then as we get some smaller requests, like we did for the, uh, couple of new condos at Hastings way, sort of shifting, um, design flows and things like that, that way, instead of doing, um, uh, holistic, um, recalculation all at once. You, you, you raise a good point. I mean, I was, I was thinking more for us internally to allow us to set our numbers, not, not because it does have a retroactive effect and a fairness impact on everyone. I was thinking more about us being more comfortable that we could allocate more flow based on Title V, based on the history versus retroactively changing anything. Um, because I think, I think the, I think the, the, the health department would have to be involved because somehow they have their finger in this process. Right. Right. I remember when they update, updated their, their regs, I was surprised how on the books, they have a lot of say in what we do. Um, in terms of, um, what the design flow would be for a new connection. Yep. Um, we need, we should check with, yeah, I, my intent when I asked the question was more when we update, when we hopefully soon when the study's done. And we say, well, without investing more money, we could, we could take this much more flow. And, and then the second part would be, well, can you tell us on design flow, how much that means conservatively? Um, cause I, I forget the ratio we're even had historically used, um, we could use versus what we charge people. Um, well, we can do some of that based on, you know, if it was a place like the library, we would know what their water use was prior to their connection. So we can look at what their past water uses were. We can also look at similar businesses. So if it's a new dentist and we can have some desk dentists online, we can compare, um, what that is. So we can do some of that. It's easier to do with connections that we have currently. And then we can assess what they actually use based on what they were designed to use. Um, it's more difficult if you have a brand new user and assigning them a flow less than title five. Okay. Well, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking in our numbers when we, after we're done with this, we're going to come back and say, right now we're, we're, we have a cap. I don't have it in front of me of, of an anticipated flow, which is based on a ratio of the design flow that we've allocated. Yes. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about changing the way we set people up. I think that would be, we'd have a lot of equity issues if we change that. I'm talking just on this committee and how we give out flow. So that's what I'm talking about at that level, but we can, let's get through the, the, the process. Um, and, and we're, you still as town center and the, and whatever the call in the place across the street gets up terrain, terrain, terrain. That's going to give us quite a test of, of what, well, we'll know you may be able to call off the study or refocus it. If we start having more issues, when, when the, the, the sold use comes on more realistically, there's, there's nothing to talk about without investing money.
I think the simple, a simple answer. Okay. We'll find out from the survey. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. From their simple answer, Mike is yes. So we're definitely looking at design flows and what the treatment plan can do. Um, as we get more into that, into the scope of work, we can talk about, um, the details. So did that, did that kick off yet? Do we have the survey kicking off and all that? Um, we have a task order that we're finalizing now. Okay. All right. And when do we expect to have the results of that? Like at the, uh, I know you're finalizing, we got to get people to do it. It was still September. I think we talked about Tom, right? That we would have kind of an idea of what kind of motorcycle we have.
I would imagine it would probably be longer than September. And knowing that we're just crafting a task order now, I'm sure if you have a better sense of the duration of that evaluation, but I, I have a sense that it would, September would be ambitious. Ambitious. Okay. Goes all the way through designing what alternatives would be and giving us, um, uh, opinion of a probable cost and options. So that will take much longer in terms of design flows and things like that. Um, I can, I can find out how, how long that would take. Part of it was, what can our existing plant do, right? Based upon the upgrades we made, because we made capital improvements, right? To the tanks, um, the painting, you know, all the different things we've done. What is our new plant? What, what can it do as is we're weighing and then, okay, then you're done also include, okay. If you want to, maybe the new study says, yeah, you're, you're safe going another 10,000 gallons of actual use, not design actual and says, yeah, you're, you're safe with redundancy with. You know, all the different stuff we're looking at and we're operating as Tom used to say, 70 miles per hour, 75 on that motorcycle. Um, and just to have to run along, cruising, doing great. And we're fine with safety. And then hopefully they do options as well. That says, okay, some new restaurant, some new residential, whatever it is says, Hey, I want 20,000. This is what it would require so that that company or that play coming in goes, okay, this is what you would need to invest in us versus building your own septic or your own plant. Yeah. Yeah. So we have, um, sort of tiers and in terms of what we're looking at, one is to get up to what the design ability of our existing plant is. Right. Um, the next would be, what would it take to get, um, you know, 10% more or whatever. 10% or, or to our, our discharge permits so that we wouldn't have to need more groundwater discharge permits. So what would it take to get closer to that? That DEP is not going to want us to be gallon for gallon, but how do we get closer to that? Um, and then what would be the next step if we actually needed more groundwater discharge? Perfect. Okay. Sounds good. So we got three things kind of going, right? Yeah. So you're pretty much, Abby, taking it as a given that the surface water discharge would be very difficult to, to alter at this point. That's right.
Doubling what our plant can go through it and still doesn't get us to discharge to what we are actually flowing, Mike, not design. Yeah. That's true. Unless we're talking about bringing on new, um, residential areas like the, um, residential area down by the Longfellow Tennis Club or where Mahoney's used to be. Then, then sort of a different order of magnitude. Right. Which is what the option two in this study will be or, or yeah, perfect. Yeah. Okay.
Darren, anything else on service related matters? No, no, we had no new connections and we got our study looking at, you know, we're not kicked it off yet, but once you get that kicked off, I think this will be really good to see. Again, again, looking forward to seeing what our new motorcycle looks like. Yeah. Great. Or refurbished, whatever it is. Exactly. Renovated. Renovated. There you go. Or renovated. That's the word you use on a motorcycle, but yes. Yeah. Um, what, uh, did, did minutes come around? Do we have any minutes? Yeah. I read through them. I'm good with mine. Darren, are you able to get into your, your Wayland email account? I am. I usually do it through my phone. I don't, I never log in through my computer. I always do it by my phone and I had no issues today. And I know I have to take my, uh, I'm going to take my, uh, integrity class there. So I'll be doing that. Yep.
Yeah. I have, I have no comments. Then I'm good. So make a motion to approve the June 8th, 2026, uh, meeting minutes. Darren Bach seconds that. Okay. I approve the minutes. Yes. Darren Bach in favor. Yes. Okay. Anything else to discuss? There was one item that Sarah had brought up earlier this morning. Um, we have yet to get a reminder, but I'm sure it's going to be, uh, soon is the annual report is generally due, uh, at the end of September. Uh, you know, so now I know Mike that, um, I think you generally use the years prior just as a example of the format. Um, if you were so inclined to start taking a look at that, um, and, uh, you know, I, I'm, and I'm thinking there was, uh, I mean, and I, uh, I, I'm thinking there was a desire perhaps to, uh, to, uh, to, uh, to not meet until September, which I know staff is supportive of, but, uh, I, I, I don't think having that, uh, delayed until September, if you wanted to take a crack at that. You could even send it to staff here. We could go over it for you. And then we'll have that as a September agenda item. And you'd be able to vote conditional upon any edits that you decided to have at that September meeting. And we would be in plenty of time for that deadline at the end of September. Okay. Yep. And I do have a question too. Do we need to come in to sign the rates? Yes. Yes. So if, I mean, Sarah, when you put together that rate sheet or whatever, we can reach out if you wanted. You can come anytime. It'll be ready. I already had it. I had to post it when we posted this for the 30 day window. So it's, it's ready. It'll be printed and sitting on the counter for whomever wants to come in. All right, Mike, you can make it in too.
Yeah. I'll probably make it in on Friday. Yeah. I was going to say same, same here. If you could, so it is, it is ready, Sarah? Yes. I'll print it. Yeah. By the next hour, it'll be ready. What are the, what are the office hours there? So on Fridays for the summer, we don't have, we do have some field labor in, but we, we don't have any administrative staff here on Fridays. You know, so at any point during Monday through Thursday, and it's, you know, it doesn't have to be this week. You know, it was voted. We just need to have them signed, you know, at some point in the near future, but if it, I'll make it in next week. Yeah. Cause I'm not in New England right now. So yeah. Yeah. I I'm, I'm going to be out. What are, what are the, what are the, when is someone around that could show me an envelope, a folder with a piece of paper in it Monday through Thursday? What are the, what are the hours then? Um, it would be a seven 30 to four 30. Somebody's here. I, I think we only have one person sign it each year is what I'm, I'm kind of looking at that right now, but I feel like we voted on that. We voted on that in the meeting. That's right. You're right. Or yeah, I, I, I, I, yeah, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll get me up early. I'll, I'll, I can stop by my way in one morning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll, I'll get there. Yeah. I, I'll be out of town the next two weeks. So I just want to get it done. Yep. All right. We'll, we'll be there, Sarah. Okay. All right. I gotta, I gotta run too. Yeah. Okay. I make a motion. Will you join? But when's our next meeting? Just real quick. We don't have it. We don't have it on the books though. I don't think. I'm not sure. Let me double check unless I'm wrong. Um, I know you have to go. So September 7th or 14th, what do you want to do? 14th. 14th. 14th. Let's do 14th. Yeah. It was the 7th is a late labor day. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I got it. So let's do it. 14th at noon. Yep. Perfect. Perfect. All right. I got it in there. Okay. With that, I make a motion. We join the meeting. I second that motion. Everybody have a good summer. You too. Yes. Darren said yes. We'll see you in September. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.