August 28, 2025 – Economic Development Committee – Video & Transcript
August 28, 2025 - Economic Development Committee
Rebecca Stanizzi: We'll call the
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Otherwise, no, do I hear a
motion to approve?
David Villari: Motion,
Rebecca Stanizzi: David, motion.
Do I hear a second?
Karen Kelly: Second. Rebecca Stanizzi: Karen, second, all in favor one. Jeff, oh, Jeff, you're on mute.
We still can't hear you. I saw his mouth do that. We still That's interesting. Yes. David, David, can't hear you.
David Villari: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: Karen, Karen Kelly: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: Becky. I All right. Or, uh oh, it looks like we got Katie joining. Katie's joining at 1:40 All right, so with that, we only a couple things on the agenda, very targeted primary being the memo for the playground and splash pad. We were also going to try to do the infograph we could but just planes, trains, automobiles, we'll just tackle that at our next September meeting. So Katie, welcome back vacation. Oh, you're on mute too. There we go. Katie Noble Harris: Thank you. Rebecca Stanizzi: There we go. All right, and Jeff, are we able to hear you? Testing? Are you? Oh, Jeff, are you able to Karen Kelly: Yes, Now we can hear you. Rebecca Stanizzi: Yes. There we go. Now we can hear you, perfect. Okay, all right. So with that, David or Katie, you want to take the helm and update on the memo and any further thoughts before we discuss, Katie Noble Harris: I'll let David take it over. David Villari: All right, yeah, um, I think we've we've incorporated a lot of good comments right now. I think it seems like everyone's on the same page here, right the the goal is to at least get something in front of the Select board so that we can start to have further discussions at the town level with all of these different boards, whether it's health department or Rec department or DPW or facilities. So that's really the stimulus here. And if it's not all perfect on paper, there's plenty of time where we can continue to build, you know, more case of, you know, case studies in the field, where people have put playgrounds in plazas or shopping centers and seen a lot of boost in traffic from that.
And obviously, you know, so much of this plays into all that we've written is just preliminary. Goes to select board. We need to have so much more discussion at the town levels. I think the first real milestone Katie, that we had a conversation with Katherine Brenna about was the Touch-a-truck, and could we get a booth set up? And, you know, this would need to go through Select Board approval before we do that, and ensure that we're not, you know, bypassing any proper channels there. So I think that's, that's really the driver, and why we've called this relatively, you know, urgent meeting to just get it on the agenda for Select Board, give them time to review, and then let them have a little bit of discussion so that we can do those, those next activities. So Rebecca Stanizzi: So David, before there was a draft email, and then we all just commented to you individually, just so you could collect them. We kind of discussed. Them, anything you want to highlight or discuss or otherwise. You know, can you kind of summarize the changes that were made within the memo? David Villari: Absolutely. So the big changes that we've made so far in the past couple of weeks here have been strengthening that executive summary. I think that was a really nice move that was done really like, brings everything up front. Because, quite frankly, nine pages single spaced is a lot to read, and so we want to capture their attention quick. We do that nicely now and then also giving them very key outline of all of the milestones and timings of execution and how we would try to get there. So I think Becky, what we put in there was the 2027 target date would be installation complete is, you know, let's get this out there. Let's have, let's have some fun. So, Rebecca Stanizzi: and the specific ask at this point is, so this goes to the board of selectmen. Sorry, the Select Board, and we're asking for basically direction to go forth and do all this escalation, the asking of the questions, figuring out the scope and the budget. So with the relevant departments, with committees, boards, with the knock on wood, New Town Center owner with abutters at River Trail, place like just be able to talk with everyone and get all that input. So, but I think, you know, having that clear direction to the Select Board, this is what we're looking for, this is what we want to do, I think, helps them. It just, you know, it makes it a yes or a no, rather than, what do you think? And what should we do now, right? It just gives them a very specific and if they don't like any part of the process, then they can, they can comment to it, but I would guess it'll be helpful for them. David Villari: And ultimately, I think you said it, it's totally up to their discretion if they want to include us further. This is a proposal. We say. Here's an idea that might work out. It has benefits to it, and if they have owners inside the Select Board that they feel are ready to pick this up and drive it, then we might not be involved in those next phases too much, other than just providing some outside assistance and agreement, but if they want us to do more, we'll, I think we'll happily support however we can, because we feel this, this has benefit. But I think Becky, that's their call, right? Rebecca Stanizzi: Yeah, yep. And so Tom Fay, who's our liaison. He didn't have a chance to read it thoroughly, but he just kind of scan it. And conceptually, I asked him if he had any comments to add. He didn't really specifically, but he just did know that he was, he liked the idea of a playground, but was concerned about a splash pad, just because it's water and kids and, you know, it's like this whole debate about whether it's a recirculating system or it's not, or otherwise it's just, it adds a whole nother level of complexity, which is, we love them and they're fun. But he was just concerned that, you know, it may just be more than we as a town can sort of take on, because there's sort of the initial and then there's the ongoing maintenance, all that kind of stuff. So that was just his, his just gut response. But he did like the idea of, you know, having something gathering here and making it, you know, like a community focused amenity, whatever it may be. So that was his only comment. David Villari: So I just relay that that's great. You know, I think I did have a chance to have small conversation with the Health Department too, both Julie and Darren, and they were wonderfully supportive and helpful, even though, you know, this isn't really something that's moving through their projects right now. And they reached out to Ben Gould, who was involved Rebecca Stanizzi: with the environmental guy, yes, yeah. David Villari: And so Ben gave them, like, a really nice printout of a couple items on, like, the deed restriction. And then, of course, like, what you're just hitting on activity and use limitations, okay? And really, what he said was, like, look at the end of the day, splash pad is is complicated. But also, technically speaking, the playground would fall into that category too. The way it's it's written language wise, so it has to go to the LSP, licensed site professional on record for Raytheon, which is John Drabinsky, and basically, to take it further with them, the health department would need Select Board approval and town manager approval, saying this is something we're investigating. And then hit that milestone, go to those guys understand if there's just, like a no go for playgrounds, no go for splash pad, and if that's the case, there's there's nothing we can really change about that. And we talk about, do you draw back? Do you just get a pavilion of picnic tables and some workout equipment? Does that change the requirements or back filling site. Does that change it? Yeah. So those are just before we get, you know, really engaged with other town boards and communities and outreach. I think that milestone of just looking at the the feasibility on the health side is, yeah. Key. Key number one, okay, Karen Kelly: feels like if, if, for whatever reason, the Select Board doesn't want to support splash pad. The purpose of the splash pad, I think, as we've talked about, it, is like more to, of course, for folks in Wayland, but also to draw people from a wider circumference, if it is a playground instead, obviously it's going to serve more of Wayland. I think it becomes less of a destination. But also the costs go way down, so one will have a much bigger impact than the other, I think, but not necessarily not worth I'm not saying it's not worth doing, but it would be a very different I think it would draw very different numbers. David Villari: I I think we could all agree with that, right? Are you drawing in internal numbers or not? But I think there's still a lot of benefit, just site location wise. If we had the picnic tables and pavilion and amphitheater seating. I mean, let's say we have an ice cream store that comes in, or we get an ice cream store that's that's there and open on weekends. You might not have a playground, but maybe you have a place to go eat a pickup pizza from downtown and go get an ice cream with your kids and run around on the grass and, you know, kick a ball where today in our town, we don't really have that. Like, if you go to Alpine training field and those playgrounds, there's no food around that. There's no coffee around that, um, South Wayland, Cochituate, like they're the only ones that have that Karen Kelly: now. Yeah, the shade will be critical to, like, making sure that, Jeff Vecchio: hey, Dave, I sent us a couple comments at the 11th Hour. You probably haven't had a chance to see them on nothing too major. But what just read them really quick to the group, I think one was more just sort of legal mumbo jumbo. I think on page two, where it says, kind of what the goal is, it reads like we're just seeking any one of these things. And this may be a little too technical, but you know, just from a legality standpoint, I think that's what that sentence can be interpreted like, we're just looking for any or type of things I recommend, kind of making it a little bit more direct. Yeah, you know, the EC recommends installation of a playground, splash, glad, in amphitheater, along with other potential amenities. Right now, it says we're seeking any, any of those, or any combination thereof. I know this is kind of getting in the weeds a little bit, but, you know, it could say that, okay, we're just, we're just happy with setting up picnic tables. You know, that's one. That's just one. I think we should just be a little more direct, like, kind of what the goals are. And I think it's to kind of like, shoot big and try to get everything approved, and then work backwards from there and see, like, you know, what's actually going to get funded, or what's viable. You know, like you said, if they kibosh the splash pad for environmental reasons, then obviously we cross that one off the list. The other comment I had was just in terms of your case studies. Wall fam is the big one. I don't know if you have data on that yet, but that is like the creme de la creme of the ones around here that's been a huge success and has driven a lot of traffic to an otherwise dead part of their town. I mean, we'll never have what they have. I mean, they put an 18 hole mini golf course there. I mean, it's like crazy, but it's been really a destination point and sort of like a dead spot in Waltham. So it might be worth referencing that. And then also, I don't know if anyone's aware, Becky, I'm be shocked if you're not. But, and this is a minor detail, but there was reference to some Rebecca Stanizzi: The Local is gone? of the tenants in the Town center, one being The Local. Do we know that The Local is gone? Jeff Vecchio: Yeah, they're leaving, Rebecca Stanizzi: yeah. Oh, was not aware of that, yeah. When ? Unknown: soon, when their lease is up, or they're breaking their lease. They're they're just not making it. They're leaving. I don't know if they're breaking the lease or walking away from the end of the lease, but that sucks. Karen Kelly: You're 100% sure. Rebecca Stanizzi: Surprising actually, Unknown: I don't want to say I can't be 100% sure. I would only say I'm 100% sure if I talked to the owner, and he told me direct, but I have pretty reliable sources, multiple that say they're gone, like very reliable sources. So that sucks, but the I just wanted to mention that, but just in terms of referencing who it would be good for. Uh, depending on when the the timing of when the report gets released, we might want to revise that because, uh, unfortunately, um,
Karen Kelly: yeah, you know, to be honest, it's probably best to never name one specific restaurant or vendor in any of these, right, because, for this very reason, yeah, yeah. Jeff Vecchio: I mean, I don't, if you go in there. I mean, they're, they're not doing, like, a good business during the day. Again, it's, it's, like, it's, it's the daytime population. That's a killer for a lot of these types of places. I mean, they do okay on on weekend nights, but, I mean, they're not doing anything for lunch business. Rebecca Stanizzi: They've been a long time. Yeah, Jeff Vecchio: yeah. Well, I mean, I think they've been spinning their wheels for a while. They probably, I don't know if they maybe. How long has the town center been open? 10 years. They probably signed a 10 year lease, and this is it. I can look in the due diligence materials, and I'm actually curious when their lease expires. So maybe they just let it burned off and they're walking away or, yeah, so that's kind of a front and center path there. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Rebecca Stanizzi: Well, it seems with the transfer of the property, you know, they may have a different discussion with the new owner. So I don't know, we should, we should try to reach out and get some information on that, but ultimately, so, but your point of that was raising that was, Who is this benefit? So it's, you know, it Jeff Vecchio: it was reference to The Local in in like, who would benefit? It's, I'm nitpicking, but I just, I just saw that and thought I would, Rebecca Stanizzi: well, I don't think it's common knowledge and it's not public yet, so I would keep it in there. I mean, they're just one of the key restaurants there. Your concern was naming them. Jeff Vecchio: Well, I mean, it just may be outdated when we release it, you know, I guess it's a simple change, but,
Rebecca Stanizzi: you know, probably won't change in the next week or so, Jeff Vecchio: just easy revision that can be made. And then my last point is, certainly would be great to shoot for all these things. I think, like Karen said, I mean a playground great, but nobody's traveling to Wayland to go to a playground. I mean, most of neighboring communities have superior playground facilities than than Wayland. I mean, obviously it's better than nothing. And I think when I have, Becky, I mentioned that I'll be able to have a call with one of the limited partners who's hopefully closing on this transaction. And I mean, I'd be really surprised if they wouldn't just fund a playground, honestly. I mean, it's, it's, it's most beneficial for them to have people linger. I think that's just like a very small check for them to write, you know, to so I think we could probably hit them up for a playground. The other stuff, you know, who knows, it would be great to have a splash pad, but I think the biggest year round attraction it will be if we can get some sort of amphitheater and seating in pavilion, and actually have some sort of like schedule of events there, that's going To be that, that would be a draw from other towns, and that would be a little more significant and when it's not in use. But like you guys were saying, It's shocking that with a decent amount of food uses, there is there one bench outside, like one picnic bench anywhere on that property, like there's nowhere to linger, like, if you just want to get takeout on a nice day, there's nowhere to, like, set up shop and just eat outside. So I mean having that tied in with a picnic area and stuff like that, you know, you know, obviously you're not going to have the amphitheater book 365 days a year, but it could double as a great just like seating area for for all the other businesses. So I think, I think we should really push hard on, on that. I like that built in seating idea into the hill and having a pavilion, you know, depending on what happens with the splash got, I think, you know, upping the budget for the pavilion a little bit, just so it doesn't look like a bunch of like, you know, lousy PVC, like, actually, like, get something nice that looks like more of a permanent, thoughtful structure. But, yeah, I'm a huge fan of, like, the pavilion amphitheater idea, because you can get all sorts of buzz around that.
Rebecca Stanizzi: Okay, so does what I'm hearing. It doesn't sound like any of it changes any of the content here, so it still fits. I mean, ultimately, we'll go through and figure out what fits best and what we're allowed to do. Essentially, Katie Any other thoughts from your side, anything to adjust in the memo or. Otherwise, I'm sure it was front and center and your forehead during all of your vacation, you dreamed about it. And yeah,
Katie Noble Harris: I'm just wondering, just like kind of thinking out loud, do you think that the Select Board is gonna
want to wait on the decision until the property changes hands. Is that something that we need to think about and address at all, or is that kind of irrelevant, since it's town land, yeah? Property, Jeff Vecchio: yeah. I mean, from a budgeting perspective, you know, I'm gonna, we might, like I said, we might be able to hit them up for at least the playground. I mean, yeah, I can't see why we couldn't get that out of them. They're just going to build out his cam and spread it like everyone's going to end up paying peanuts for it. So sorry to jump in. But, yeah, I think that it's Tom lane, so, I mean, Becky, I would say we should have the green light to go. Just budgeting wise, it might look bigger if we can get the new owners to Dave on any of this stuff. Rebecca Stanizzi: Yeah, to that end, I don't think, I don't think we want to wait. I think we want to pull it together, what we want to do, because the sooner we have that information, the easier it is to talk with them and say, hey, look, this is what it is, right? So I think we're more incentive to move faster rather than slower. So yeah, Katie Noble Harris: yeah, I guess I'm just worried about them, like punting it another month, when we want to kind of try and get the word out sooner. So maybe that is one of the reasons, like hey, because this is the deals are being made. We want to have. We want to get your approval sooner than later to Exactly, Rebecca Stanizzi: exactly, because touch a truck is the beginning of October. This thing will probably close October ish, so you know, it's timely. It's timely to get it going in September. So I think there's good, good motivation for that, and really there's no harm right there. It's not like nobody's green lighting anything. Officially, it is literally just us being able to pull this all together. And what, you know, I've never heard anybody say, like a playground is a stupid idea. No one has uttered such a word. So I think that it clearly has, you know, a benefit to the town and to the overall, clearly to town center as well. But from a town perspective, why wouldn't you particularly if there might be a new property owner can might pick up the tab. So, yeah, but yeah, general inertia, yeah, that's the that that could be the demon. But you know, if, since we have good motivation to push it, I Katie Noble Harris: think we absolutely do that. So maybe highlighting, like, the time aspect of it. Yeah, we need to do that in the memo or not. But Rebecca Stanizzi: yeah, I think we just do it when we send it on the cover, the cover email, and just explain that there's so much opportunity there, and then it's just, you know, we put the schedule in there. I suggested putting in there, just because they're keenly aware of the town meeting schedule. And they know, they know what it takes to get stuff going for that. So I think, I think they'll understand it. So David Villari: I do think this touch truck event has if we can pull it off and get to that milestone, as the potential be really impactful, because it's from what Katherine Brenna said, the biggest foot traffic draw in, like all of Wayland, just a massive pop. And she works with cell phone companies to pull in all this data so we can see total foot traffic during that time. We could engage with all those people, get kind of support, buy in comments, feedback at that time. And that just provides all that backing, either to go further with the town deliberation on it, or bring that to the plaza owners, new or old, whatever, and say, look how you know, you build it, people come. You do it. People will come. Karen Kelly: Yeah, is tend to truck the same thing as Wayland Fest. Rebecca Stanizzi: Yes, now it's called Wayland festival. Is it they changed the name? Okay, they did kind of, they lost their brand. What are they doing? But, yeah, now it's Wayland Festival because it's arts. Is such a truck, it's music, it's like, all of it, Karen Kelly: okay? And is the idea, then, that we get people to sign something when they're there, that the idea to, like, show support, or we, David Villari: we've ran it by Katherine so far, and so there's a couple ways we could take it. We could do like, sign a petition or or sign a support letter or something like that. But if we're prepared enough, we can also go in and have people prioritize, like, oh, the pavilion would be my number one, or the amphitheater would be not my number one. Or if you're going to build a playground, have these things on it right? Rebecca Stanizzi: Yeah, I think you guys were starting to think Like we could do all of those real community feedback things that we would have to do anyways at that event and save a lot of time in doing so. about that polling already. I think that's key in the next couple of weeks, even perhaps before we meet with the Select Board. And when we meet with them, say this is the polling that we want to do. And if you could do that polling on October 5 and have the data as of October 6. I mean, it would, that would be huge. And then, you know, keep it open so other people can do it online if they weren't there. But to be able to get solid feedback from that event, or soon thereafter, I think, would be incredibly valuable. So, Karen Kelly: yeah, I think we're going to do better using our email database and Facebook. Then I think at the event is great. I have worked a lot of live events trying to get data with QR codes. It's very it's it. I mean, you got to be so active and really in people's face, because they're just going to be like, walking on by and doing their own thing. And then you're like, wait, no, and they're gonna be like, Oh, that sounds well, I guess watch. That sounds great. No, sounds QR code. You know, scan it and tell us what you think. It's like. It's just, it's hard work to get people to stop and do. I'm not saying don't do it. I'm saying it's a great idea, and like for people to even know that the EDC is being talked about, Yeah, huge, yeah, but, but Rebecca Stanizzi: maybe it is just getting their email to add on to our list, right? Karen Kelly: Yeah. I would say, actually, that should be the number one priority. Sign up for our newsletter is like, because then it's just, you know, they can literally write it, although I would that's going to be a nasty task on the back end, I would say, like, just scan the QR code. All you do is put in your email. If it's Google form, it probably pre populates in for them, and they hit submit, and that's it, Rebecca Stanizzi: yeah. And then maybe the polling goes out the day after that, yeah, or we Karen Kelly: can do it in the next week if we want to to do a preliminary poll, David Villari: yeah. I mean not to, not to back us up a step, right? Because I don't want to slow this down by any means. But I think before we really get hyper engaged in the community, checking those boxes with the Health Department about what's feasible and what's okay, yeah, really like Select Board approval, health department work, and then blast of community engagement. Hopefully we can do it all before touch a truck. Jeff Vecchio: Need any Do we need any approvals or support with the Board of Health? Or is it literally just kind of asking them, like David Villari: it's health department really. That's the trick. Is there's an AUL that restricts the usage of the land in this area, here on that Plaza, and that's owned by Raytheon. So from their own private liability and their own, you know, past activities on that site, they get to say what you can do and what you don't do. They own that land, period, and that's the restrictions. But they don't own that land, but they own the liability on that land, essentially. Karen Kelly: So the so, I think what he's saying, Jeff is the Health Department. I think the health department is neutral in all this. They're just saying you need to get a carpenter. Yeah, Rebecca Stanizzi: so, David, you said board of I mean, Ben Gould gave you a memo or something. David Villari: Ben Gould responded very nicely to to Julia, right? And basically said, like, here are the key points. Here the highlights, Rebecca Stanizzi: yeah, if you can forward that around, and yeah, I wasn't sure, I'll kind of digest a little bit. And, yeah, yeah, that, yeah, yep, okay, it's not with commentary, just forward what she sent. And yeah, yeah, no deliberation will do. But yeah, if we can see that that'd be great. All right, so with that, if anything else to add to the memo before we move this long, I know everybody is anxious to get on their labor day weekend. Anybody else with any other comments or anything to add, Jeff, see your comment on? So it's play, it's playground, splash pad, amphitheater and other amenities, not an AND, OR, David Villari: yeah, that works. Firm it up. Yep. Okay. Rebecca Stanizzi: And other than that, oh, the answer your question on Waltham, these guys have actually brought it up. I go in that area all the time. It literally creates traffic jams. So the concern is that it's people are going to see that, and they're just, it'll be overblown in their minds. So that's the only concern. Unknown: I mean, we're never going to be on a par of that, I guess. Rebecca Stanizzi: But people want to understand that, right? They'll just, they'll just know it, and they're like, oh my god, they want to spend $2 million on a playground, you know? And it just, you know that it just kind of goes from there. So I think it's useful to have the information. I think, David, you have it, right? Dave And Katie, don't you have some prelim information on, on Waltham. David Villari: yeah, we've got some. I mean, it's amazing, when you look around, like every town has done some level of this. My wife was in Milton, I think yesterday or two days ago, yeah, and like, they just recently redone, like, their entrance into the bike path and, like, coffee shop area. It's every town is doing some level of this around bike paths and plazas, and it's the more and more you look there's examples like Waltham that are huge booms in dead areas, and then there's other examples that are like, this is modest and still provides a lot of benefit. So we're going to be somewhere in between. Like Jeff said, yeah, yeah, okay, so I can, I can certainly add it, but I think that's another one of those things Jeff that we can also continue to add into the list of all of the many examples. Because it's like, you could pick every single town, and we could have a 40 page memo of every town in our nearby area. Yeah. Right? Karen Kelly: I thought the other thing that you mentioned about that too, Becky, was because I feel like we all thought of that place, and we're like, why are we talking about that? They have such a big commercial base also to pull from on that. So it's just like a different it's a totally different funding mechanism too, for something of that scale that we just don't have, unfortunately. Rebecca Stanizzi: So yeah, so David, actually, you could mention it and just say, you know, many people have heard of seeing the Waltham one, which is so huge, it's not really applicable here, but, you know, wildly successful. And just leave it at that. And then it doesn't become in your in your test cases, right? You know, it just it acknowledges people may have seen it, heard it. Otherwise, it is hugely successful, but it's just different, right? And that'll, that'll keep it from, you know, scaring people, if you know, if you live next door of River Trail place, you're like, oh my god, it's gonna be this, you know, carnival next door, right? So, yeah, just avoids creating any and not creating any undue panic, David Villari: yep. So I can imagine this very quickly and get it back out. Becky, would would that be something that we want to convene together and review on, or are we good to basically sign off? But Rebecca Stanizzi: I think we can make a motion. I can as chair, but you make a motion basically to, you know, we've discussed these changes, so approving this as a document with the proposed changes and direction to forward it to the Select Board and, and in that email, we were saying, as a cover, what were you going to say to the Select Board? But timing? No, basically, the timing, really timing? Oh, yeah, yeah, because of, you know, we don't necessarily want it in that dog, but it made it all here anyway. But the timing being important, a because of touch a truck and B because of the pending sale. So, so that's a very long motion. Would somebody like to make a motion.
David Villari: I'll motion. I mean, yeah, there you go. You can most motion to do what Becky just explained and said.
Katie Noble Harris: So I second the motion. Rebecca Stanizzi: All right. So all in any discussion on the motion, any further hearing, none. We'll take a vote. All right. So Katie Katie Noble Harris: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: Jeff Jeff Vecchio: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: David David Villari: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: Karen Karen Kelly: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: Becky aye, five, Oh, you are hereby directed to amend as we discussed, and have a cover email. David, you and I can just coordinate on that. We'll do the cover email to the Select Board, conveying it to them and asking to be on their next agenda. So All right, so with that, since we're not able to talk infographic yet, we can put that off, but that's not going to be far away. So our next meeting is September 12. Everybody's good for that, that day and time, 830 Friday, just checking to make sure everybody's around. Perfect. All right, so if nothing further, then we shall adjourn for the holiday weekend. So I do I hear a motion to adjourn? Karen Kelly: Motion to adjourn. Rebecca Stanizzi: Karen, motion, do I hear a second? David Villari: Second, Katie Noble Harris: second, Jeff Vecchio: third. Rebecca Stanizzi: All in favor. Katie aye, Jeff I, David I, Karen i, and Becky i, we are adjourned at 2:11pm, have a great weekend.
Karen Kelly: Second. Rebecca Stanizzi: Karen, second, all in favor one. Jeff, oh, Jeff, you're on mute.
We still can't hear you. I saw his mouth do that. We still That's interesting. Yes. David, David, can't hear you.
David Villari: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: Karen, Karen Kelly: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: Becky. I All right. Or, uh oh, it looks like we got Katie joining. Katie's joining at 1:40 All right, so with that, we only a couple things on the agenda, very targeted primary being the memo for the playground and splash pad. We were also going to try to do the infograph we could but just planes, trains, automobiles, we'll just tackle that at our next September meeting. So Katie, welcome back vacation. Oh, you're on mute too. There we go. Katie Noble Harris: Thank you. Rebecca Stanizzi: There we go. All right, and Jeff, are we able to hear you? Testing? Are you? Oh, Jeff, are you able to Karen Kelly: Yes, Now we can hear you. Rebecca Stanizzi: Yes. There we go. Now we can hear you, perfect. Okay, all right. So with that, David or Katie, you want to take the helm and update on the memo and any further thoughts before we discuss, Katie Noble Harris: I'll let David take it over. David Villari: All right, yeah, um, I think we've we've incorporated a lot of good comments right now. I think it seems like everyone's on the same page here, right the the goal is to at least get something in front of the Select board so that we can start to have further discussions at the town level with all of these different boards, whether it's health department or Rec department or DPW or facilities. So that's really the stimulus here. And if it's not all perfect on paper, there's plenty of time where we can continue to build, you know, more case of, you know, case studies in the field, where people have put playgrounds in plazas or shopping centers and seen a lot of boost in traffic from that.
And obviously, you know, so much of this plays into all that we've written is just preliminary. Goes to select board. We need to have so much more discussion at the town levels. I think the first real milestone Katie, that we had a conversation with Katherine Brenna about was the Touch-a-truck, and could we get a booth set up? And, you know, this would need to go through Select Board approval before we do that, and ensure that we're not, you know, bypassing any proper channels there. So I think that's, that's really the driver, and why we've called this relatively, you know, urgent meeting to just get it on the agenda for Select Board, give them time to review, and then let them have a little bit of discussion so that we can do those, those next activities. So Rebecca Stanizzi: So David, before there was a draft email, and then we all just commented to you individually, just so you could collect them. We kind of discussed. Them, anything you want to highlight or discuss or otherwise. You know, can you kind of summarize the changes that were made within the memo? David Villari: Absolutely. So the big changes that we've made so far in the past couple of weeks here have been strengthening that executive summary. I think that was a really nice move that was done really like, brings everything up front. Because, quite frankly, nine pages single spaced is a lot to read, and so we want to capture their attention quick. We do that nicely now and then also giving them very key outline of all of the milestones and timings of execution and how we would try to get there. So I think Becky, what we put in there was the 2027 target date would be installation complete is, you know, let's get this out there. Let's have, let's have some fun. So, Rebecca Stanizzi: and the specific ask at this point is, so this goes to the board of selectmen. Sorry, the Select Board, and we're asking for basically direction to go forth and do all this escalation, the asking of the questions, figuring out the scope and the budget. So with the relevant departments, with committees, boards, with the knock on wood, New Town Center owner with abutters at River Trail, place like just be able to talk with everyone and get all that input. So, but I think, you know, having that clear direction to the Select Board, this is what we're looking for, this is what we want to do, I think, helps them. It just, you know, it makes it a yes or a no, rather than, what do you think? And what should we do now, right? It just gives them a very specific and if they don't like any part of the process, then they can, they can comment to it, but I would guess it'll be helpful for them. David Villari: And ultimately, I think you said it, it's totally up to their discretion if they want to include us further. This is a proposal. We say. Here's an idea that might work out. It has benefits to it, and if they have owners inside the Select Board that they feel are ready to pick this up and drive it, then we might not be involved in those next phases too much, other than just providing some outside assistance and agreement, but if they want us to do more, we'll, I think we'll happily support however we can, because we feel this, this has benefit. But I think Becky, that's their call, right? Rebecca Stanizzi: Yeah, yep. And so Tom Fay, who's our liaison. He didn't have a chance to read it thoroughly, but he just kind of scan it. And conceptually, I asked him if he had any comments to add. He didn't really specifically, but he just did know that he was, he liked the idea of a playground, but was concerned about a splash pad, just because it's water and kids and, you know, it's like this whole debate about whether it's a recirculating system or it's not, or otherwise it's just, it adds a whole nother level of complexity, which is, we love them and they're fun. But he was just concerned that, you know, it may just be more than we as a town can sort of take on, because there's sort of the initial and then there's the ongoing maintenance, all that kind of stuff. So that was just his, his just gut response. But he did like the idea of, you know, having something gathering here and making it, you know, like a community focused amenity, whatever it may be. So that was his only comment. David Villari: So I just relay that that's great. You know, I think I did have a chance to have small conversation with the Health Department too, both Julie and Darren, and they were wonderfully supportive and helpful, even though, you know, this isn't really something that's moving through their projects right now. And they reached out to Ben Gould, who was involved Rebecca Stanizzi: with the environmental guy, yes, yeah. David Villari: And so Ben gave them, like, a really nice printout of a couple items on, like, the deed restriction. And then, of course, like, what you're just hitting on activity and use limitations, okay? And really, what he said was, like, look at the end of the day, splash pad is is complicated. But also, technically speaking, the playground would fall into that category too. The way it's it's written language wise, so it has to go to the LSP, licensed site professional on record for Raytheon, which is John Drabinsky, and basically, to take it further with them, the health department would need Select Board approval and town manager approval, saying this is something we're investigating. And then hit that milestone, go to those guys understand if there's just, like a no go for playgrounds, no go for splash pad, and if that's the case, there's there's nothing we can really change about that. And we talk about, do you draw back? Do you just get a pavilion of picnic tables and some workout equipment? Does that change the requirements or back filling site. Does that change it? Yeah. So those are just before we get, you know, really engaged with other town boards and communities and outreach. I think that milestone of just looking at the the feasibility on the health side is, yeah. Key. Key number one, okay, Karen Kelly: feels like if, if, for whatever reason, the Select Board doesn't want to support splash pad. The purpose of the splash pad, I think, as we've talked about, it, is like more to, of course, for folks in Wayland, but also to draw people from a wider circumference, if it is a playground instead, obviously it's going to serve more of Wayland. I think it becomes less of a destination. But also the costs go way down, so one will have a much bigger impact than the other, I think, but not necessarily not worth I'm not saying it's not worth doing, but it would be a very different I think it would draw very different numbers. David Villari: I I think we could all agree with that, right? Are you drawing in internal numbers or not? But I think there's still a lot of benefit, just site location wise. If we had the picnic tables and pavilion and amphitheater seating. I mean, let's say we have an ice cream store that comes in, or we get an ice cream store that's that's there and open on weekends. You might not have a playground, but maybe you have a place to go eat a pickup pizza from downtown and go get an ice cream with your kids and run around on the grass and, you know, kick a ball where today in our town, we don't really have that. Like, if you go to Alpine training field and those playgrounds, there's no food around that. There's no coffee around that, um, South Wayland, Cochituate, like they're the only ones that have that Karen Kelly: now. Yeah, the shade will be critical to, like, making sure that, Jeff Vecchio: hey, Dave, I sent us a couple comments at the 11th Hour. You probably haven't had a chance to see them on nothing too major. But what just read them really quick to the group, I think one was more just sort of legal mumbo jumbo. I think on page two, where it says, kind of what the goal is, it reads like we're just seeking any one of these things. And this may be a little too technical, but you know, just from a legality standpoint, I think that's what that sentence can be interpreted like, we're just looking for any or type of things I recommend, kind of making it a little bit more direct. Yeah, you know, the EC recommends installation of a playground, splash, glad, in amphitheater, along with other potential amenities. Right now, it says we're seeking any, any of those, or any combination thereof. I know this is kind of getting in the weeds a little bit, but, you know, it could say that, okay, we're just, we're just happy with setting up picnic tables. You know, that's one. That's just one. I think we should just be a little more direct, like, kind of what the goals are. And I think it's to kind of like, shoot big and try to get everything approved, and then work backwards from there and see, like, you know, what's actually going to get funded, or what's viable. You know, like you said, if they kibosh the splash pad for environmental reasons, then obviously we cross that one off the list. The other comment I had was just in terms of your case studies. Wall fam is the big one. I don't know if you have data on that yet, but that is like the creme de la creme of the ones around here that's been a huge success and has driven a lot of traffic to an otherwise dead part of their town. I mean, we'll never have what they have. I mean, they put an 18 hole mini golf course there. I mean, it's like crazy, but it's been really a destination point and sort of like a dead spot in Waltham. So it might be worth referencing that. And then also, I don't know if anyone's aware, Becky, I'm be shocked if you're not. But, and this is a minor detail, but there was reference to some Rebecca Stanizzi: The Local is gone? of the tenants in the Town center, one being The Local. Do we know that The Local is gone? Jeff Vecchio: Yeah, they're leaving, Rebecca Stanizzi: yeah. Oh, was not aware of that, yeah. When ? Unknown: soon, when their lease is up, or they're breaking their lease. They're they're just not making it. They're leaving. I don't know if they're breaking the lease or walking away from the end of the lease, but that sucks. Karen Kelly: You're 100% sure. Rebecca Stanizzi: Surprising actually, Unknown: I don't want to say I can't be 100% sure. I would only say I'm 100% sure if I talked to the owner, and he told me direct, but I have pretty reliable sources, multiple that say they're gone, like very reliable sources. So that sucks, but the I just wanted to mention that, but just in terms of referencing who it would be good for. Uh, depending on when the the timing of when the report gets released, we might want to revise that because, uh, unfortunately, um,
Karen Kelly: yeah, you know, to be honest, it's probably best to never name one specific restaurant or vendor in any of these, right, because, for this very reason, yeah, yeah. Jeff Vecchio: I mean, I don't, if you go in there. I mean, they're, they're not doing, like, a good business during the day. Again, it's, it's, like, it's, it's the daytime population. That's a killer for a lot of these types of places. I mean, they do okay on on weekend nights, but, I mean, they're not doing anything for lunch business. Rebecca Stanizzi: They've been a long time. Yeah, Jeff Vecchio: yeah. Well, I mean, I think they've been spinning their wheels for a while. They probably, I don't know if they maybe. How long has the town center been open? 10 years. They probably signed a 10 year lease, and this is it. I can look in the due diligence materials, and I'm actually curious when their lease expires. So maybe they just let it burned off and they're walking away or, yeah, so that's kind of a front and center path there. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Rebecca Stanizzi: Well, it seems with the transfer of the property, you know, they may have a different discussion with the new owner. So I don't know, we should, we should try to reach out and get some information on that, but ultimately, so, but your point of that was raising that was, Who is this benefit? So it's, you know, it Jeff Vecchio: it was reference to The Local in in like, who would benefit? It's, I'm nitpicking, but I just, I just saw that and thought I would, Rebecca Stanizzi: well, I don't think it's common knowledge and it's not public yet, so I would keep it in there. I mean, they're just one of the key restaurants there. Your concern was naming them. Jeff Vecchio: Well, I mean, it just may be outdated when we release it, you know, I guess it's a simple change, but,
Rebecca Stanizzi: you know, probably won't change in the next week or so, Jeff Vecchio: just easy revision that can be made. And then my last point is, certainly would be great to shoot for all these things. I think, like Karen said, I mean a playground great, but nobody's traveling to Wayland to go to a playground. I mean, most of neighboring communities have superior playground facilities than than Wayland. I mean, obviously it's better than nothing. And I think when I have, Becky, I mentioned that I'll be able to have a call with one of the limited partners who's hopefully closing on this transaction. And I mean, I'd be really surprised if they wouldn't just fund a playground, honestly. I mean, it's, it's, it's most beneficial for them to have people linger. I think that's just like a very small check for them to write, you know, to so I think we could probably hit them up for a playground. The other stuff, you know, who knows, it would be great to have a splash pad, but I think the biggest year round attraction it will be if we can get some sort of amphitheater and seating in pavilion, and actually have some sort of like schedule of events there, that's going To be that, that would be a draw from other towns, and that would be a little more significant and when it's not in use. But like you guys were saying, It's shocking that with a decent amount of food uses, there is there one bench outside, like one picnic bench anywhere on that property, like there's nowhere to linger, like, if you just want to get takeout on a nice day, there's nowhere to, like, set up shop and just eat outside. So I mean having that tied in with a picnic area and stuff like that, you know, you know, obviously you're not going to have the amphitheater book 365 days a year, but it could double as a great just like seating area for for all the other businesses. So I think, I think we should really push hard on, on that. I like that built in seating idea into the hill and having a pavilion, you know, depending on what happens with the splash got, I think, you know, upping the budget for the pavilion a little bit, just so it doesn't look like a bunch of like, you know, lousy PVC, like, actually, like, get something nice that looks like more of a permanent, thoughtful structure. But, yeah, I'm a huge fan of, like, the pavilion amphitheater idea, because you can get all sorts of buzz around that.
Rebecca Stanizzi: Okay, so does what I'm hearing. It doesn't sound like any of it changes any of the content here, so it still fits. I mean, ultimately, we'll go through and figure out what fits best and what we're allowed to do. Essentially, Katie Any other thoughts from your side, anything to adjust in the memo or. Otherwise, I'm sure it was front and center and your forehead during all of your vacation, you dreamed about it. And yeah,
Katie Noble Harris: I'm just wondering, just like kind of thinking out loud, do you think that the Select Board is gonna
want to wait on the decision until the property changes hands. Is that something that we need to think about and address at all, or is that kind of irrelevant, since it's town land, yeah? Property, Jeff Vecchio: yeah. I mean, from a budgeting perspective, you know, I'm gonna, we might, like I said, we might be able to hit them up for at least the playground. I mean, yeah, I can't see why we couldn't get that out of them. They're just going to build out his cam and spread it like everyone's going to end up paying peanuts for it. So sorry to jump in. But, yeah, I think that it's Tom lane, so, I mean, Becky, I would say we should have the green light to go. Just budgeting wise, it might look bigger if we can get the new owners to Dave on any of this stuff. Rebecca Stanizzi: Yeah, to that end, I don't think, I don't think we want to wait. I think we want to pull it together, what we want to do, because the sooner we have that information, the easier it is to talk with them and say, hey, look, this is what it is, right? So I think we're more incentive to move faster rather than slower. So yeah, Katie Noble Harris: yeah, I guess I'm just worried about them, like punting it another month, when we want to kind of try and get the word out sooner. So maybe that is one of the reasons, like hey, because this is the deals are being made. We want to have. We want to get your approval sooner than later to Exactly, Rebecca Stanizzi: exactly, because touch a truck is the beginning of October. This thing will probably close October ish, so you know, it's timely. It's timely to get it going in September. So I think there's good, good motivation for that, and really there's no harm right there. It's not like nobody's green lighting anything. Officially, it is literally just us being able to pull this all together. And what, you know, I've never heard anybody say, like a playground is a stupid idea. No one has uttered such a word. So I think that it clearly has, you know, a benefit to the town and to the overall, clearly to town center as well. But from a town perspective, why wouldn't you particularly if there might be a new property owner can might pick up the tab. So, yeah, but yeah, general inertia, yeah, that's the that that could be the demon. But you know, if, since we have good motivation to push it, I Katie Noble Harris: think we absolutely do that. So maybe highlighting, like, the time aspect of it. Yeah, we need to do that in the memo or not. But Rebecca Stanizzi: yeah, I think we just do it when we send it on the cover, the cover email, and just explain that there's so much opportunity there, and then it's just, you know, we put the schedule in there. I suggested putting in there, just because they're keenly aware of the town meeting schedule. And they know, they know what it takes to get stuff going for that. So I think, I think they'll understand it. So David Villari: I do think this touch truck event has if we can pull it off and get to that milestone, as the potential be really impactful, because it's from what Katherine Brenna said, the biggest foot traffic draw in, like all of Wayland, just a massive pop. And she works with cell phone companies to pull in all this data so we can see total foot traffic during that time. We could engage with all those people, get kind of support, buy in comments, feedback at that time. And that just provides all that backing, either to go further with the town deliberation on it, or bring that to the plaza owners, new or old, whatever, and say, look how you know, you build it, people come. You do it. People will come. Karen Kelly: Yeah, is tend to truck the same thing as Wayland Fest. Rebecca Stanizzi: Yes, now it's called Wayland festival. Is it they changed the name? Okay, they did kind of, they lost their brand. What are they doing? But, yeah, now it's Wayland Festival because it's arts. Is such a truck, it's music, it's like, all of it, Karen Kelly: okay? And is the idea, then, that we get people to sign something when they're there, that the idea to, like, show support, or we, David Villari: we've ran it by Katherine so far, and so there's a couple ways we could take it. We could do like, sign a petition or or sign a support letter or something like that. But if we're prepared enough, we can also go in and have people prioritize, like, oh, the pavilion would be my number one, or the amphitheater would be not my number one. Or if you're going to build a playground, have these things on it right? Rebecca Stanizzi: Yeah, I think you guys were starting to think Like we could do all of those real community feedback things that we would have to do anyways at that event and save a lot of time in doing so. about that polling already. I think that's key in the next couple of weeks, even perhaps before we meet with the Select Board. And when we meet with them, say this is the polling that we want to do. And if you could do that polling on October 5 and have the data as of October 6. I mean, it would, that would be huge. And then, you know, keep it open so other people can do it online if they weren't there. But to be able to get solid feedback from that event, or soon thereafter, I think, would be incredibly valuable. So, Karen Kelly: yeah, I think we're going to do better using our email database and Facebook. Then I think at the event is great. I have worked a lot of live events trying to get data with QR codes. It's very it's it. I mean, you got to be so active and really in people's face, because they're just going to be like, walking on by and doing their own thing. And then you're like, wait, no, and they're gonna be like, Oh, that sounds well, I guess watch. That sounds great. No, sounds QR code. You know, scan it and tell us what you think. It's like. It's just, it's hard work to get people to stop and do. I'm not saying don't do it. I'm saying it's a great idea, and like for people to even know that the EDC is being talked about, Yeah, huge, yeah, but, but Rebecca Stanizzi: maybe it is just getting their email to add on to our list, right? Karen Kelly: Yeah. I would say, actually, that should be the number one priority. Sign up for our newsletter is like, because then it's just, you know, they can literally write it, although I would that's going to be a nasty task on the back end, I would say, like, just scan the QR code. All you do is put in your email. If it's Google form, it probably pre populates in for them, and they hit submit, and that's it, Rebecca Stanizzi: yeah. And then maybe the polling goes out the day after that, yeah, or we Karen Kelly: can do it in the next week if we want to to do a preliminary poll, David Villari: yeah. I mean not to, not to back us up a step, right? Because I don't want to slow this down by any means. But I think before we really get hyper engaged in the community, checking those boxes with the Health Department about what's feasible and what's okay, yeah, really like Select Board approval, health department work, and then blast of community engagement. Hopefully we can do it all before touch a truck. Jeff Vecchio: Need any Do we need any approvals or support with the Board of Health? Or is it literally just kind of asking them, like David Villari: it's health department really. That's the trick. Is there's an AUL that restricts the usage of the land in this area, here on that Plaza, and that's owned by Raytheon. So from their own private liability and their own, you know, past activities on that site, they get to say what you can do and what you don't do. They own that land, period, and that's the restrictions. But they don't own that land, but they own the liability on that land, essentially. Karen Kelly: So the so, I think what he's saying, Jeff is the Health Department. I think the health department is neutral in all this. They're just saying you need to get a carpenter. Yeah, Rebecca Stanizzi: so, David, you said board of I mean, Ben Gould gave you a memo or something. David Villari: Ben Gould responded very nicely to to Julia, right? And basically said, like, here are the key points. Here the highlights, Rebecca Stanizzi: yeah, if you can forward that around, and yeah, I wasn't sure, I'll kind of digest a little bit. And, yeah, yeah, that, yeah, yep, okay, it's not with commentary, just forward what she sent. And yeah, yeah, no deliberation will do. But yeah, if we can see that that'd be great. All right, so with that, if anything else to add to the memo before we move this long, I know everybody is anxious to get on their labor day weekend. Anybody else with any other comments or anything to add, Jeff, see your comment on? So it's play, it's playground, splash pad, amphitheater and other amenities, not an AND, OR, David Villari: yeah, that works. Firm it up. Yep. Okay. Rebecca Stanizzi: And other than that, oh, the answer your question on Waltham, these guys have actually brought it up. I go in that area all the time. It literally creates traffic jams. So the concern is that it's people are going to see that, and they're just, it'll be overblown in their minds. So that's the only concern. Unknown: I mean, we're never going to be on a par of that, I guess. Rebecca Stanizzi: But people want to understand that, right? They'll just, they'll just know it, and they're like, oh my god, they want to spend $2 million on a playground, you know? And it just, you know that it just kind of goes from there. So I think it's useful to have the information. I think, David, you have it, right? Dave And Katie, don't you have some prelim information on, on Waltham. David Villari: yeah, we've got some. I mean, it's amazing, when you look around, like every town has done some level of this. My wife was in Milton, I think yesterday or two days ago, yeah, and like, they just recently redone, like, their entrance into the bike path and, like, coffee shop area. It's every town is doing some level of this around bike paths and plazas, and it's the more and more you look there's examples like Waltham that are huge booms in dead areas, and then there's other examples that are like, this is modest and still provides a lot of benefit. So we're going to be somewhere in between. Like Jeff said, yeah, yeah, okay, so I can, I can certainly add it, but I think that's another one of those things Jeff that we can also continue to add into the list of all of the many examples. Because it's like, you could pick every single town, and we could have a 40 page memo of every town in our nearby area. Yeah. Right? Karen Kelly: I thought the other thing that you mentioned about that too, Becky, was because I feel like we all thought of that place, and we're like, why are we talking about that? They have such a big commercial base also to pull from on that. So it's just like a different it's a totally different funding mechanism too, for something of that scale that we just don't have, unfortunately. Rebecca Stanizzi: So yeah, so David, actually, you could mention it and just say, you know, many people have heard of seeing the Waltham one, which is so huge, it's not really applicable here, but, you know, wildly successful. And just leave it at that. And then it doesn't become in your in your test cases, right? You know, it just it acknowledges people may have seen it, heard it. Otherwise, it is hugely successful, but it's just different, right? And that'll, that'll keep it from, you know, scaring people, if you know, if you live next door of River Trail place, you're like, oh my god, it's gonna be this, you know, carnival next door, right? So, yeah, just avoids creating any and not creating any undue panic, David Villari: yep. So I can imagine this very quickly and get it back out. Becky, would would that be something that we want to convene together and review on, or are we good to basically sign off? But Rebecca Stanizzi: I think we can make a motion. I can as chair, but you make a motion basically to, you know, we've discussed these changes, so approving this as a document with the proposed changes and direction to forward it to the Select Board and, and in that email, we were saying, as a cover, what were you going to say to the Select Board? But timing? No, basically, the timing, really timing? Oh, yeah, yeah, because of, you know, we don't necessarily want it in that dog, but it made it all here anyway. But the timing being important, a because of touch a truck and B because of the pending sale. So, so that's a very long motion. Would somebody like to make a motion.
David Villari: I'll motion. I mean, yeah, there you go. You can most motion to do what Becky just explained and said.
Katie Noble Harris: So I second the motion. Rebecca Stanizzi: All right. So all in any discussion on the motion, any further hearing, none. We'll take a vote. All right. So Katie Katie Noble Harris: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: Jeff Jeff Vecchio: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: David David Villari: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: Karen Karen Kelly: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: Becky aye, five, Oh, you are hereby directed to amend as we discussed, and have a cover email. David, you and I can just coordinate on that. We'll do the cover email to the Select Board, conveying it to them and asking to be on their next agenda. So All right, so with that, since we're not able to talk infographic yet, we can put that off, but that's not going to be far away. So our next meeting is September 12. Everybody's good for that, that day and time, 830 Friday, just checking to make sure everybody's around. Perfect. All right, so if nothing further, then we shall adjourn for the holiday weekend. So I do I hear a motion to adjourn? Karen Kelly: Motion to adjourn. Rebecca Stanizzi: Karen, motion, do I hear a second? David Villari: Second, Katie Noble Harris: second, Jeff Vecchio: third. Rebecca Stanizzi: All in favor. Katie aye, Jeff I, David I, Karen i, and Becky i, we are adjourned at 2:11pm, have a great weekend.