October 8, 2025 – Historical Commission – Video & Transcript
October 8, 2025 - Historical Commission
Unknown: All right, we're going
to call the Historical
Commission meeting to order
in pursuit of chapter two of the
acts of 2025 this meeting will
be conducted in person and by a
remote means, in accordance with
the applicable law. This meeting
may be recorded which will be
made available to the public on
WayCAM As soon as after the
meeting as a practical I don't
know that we have anybody on
this public here, so we will
skip over that and the minutes
of the last meeting, September
10, 2025 any comments or
corrections or changes?
I had a comment Well, couple at
the top on under present, the
Anne and my name has an E on the
end. Oh, I'm sorry. I would like
to have that. And then I noted
on page two in the 250th
anniversary description, second
line, middle also on April 10,
2027 2026 okay? 26 they assuming
that's history of play. Is but
it's not a performance on
Francis. Is it? Is that history
of play, right? I know it's not
the day. Is not history of play
doing it? I didn't know that's
the woman who impersonates
Francis Perkins. Oh, so it's
like and her name is
Therese Hansen.
I think it's not necessary that
we put her name in the middle. I
don't think so either. I will
correct that, but
it's a Francis Perkins 100 and
10th birthday. Yeah.
Thank you.
Some minutes on the minutes. Rick, you don't have any comments.
Rick, wonderful job, as always. Thank you. Anne, may I have a motion to accept the minutes is corrected against please. Second. Any further discussion, all those in favor? Aye, I can't. I have to do a roll call. Marianne Bryant, yes. Brad parver, yes. And Gordon, yes. Rick Connor, yes, and Kay Gordon, West back, yes. Thank you again. The display in the town building. I didn't notice if the display was still in the hallway, because I came in from the other direction, yes, yes, of the
village, the Indian village, yes of the Native American Indian village. Everybody said they would think about it from last month, and any thoughts probably to the surface. My thought was, if we cannot find a place to store it, and folks really think it's important for elementary kids to see that I looked at it, and there is a possibility that it could be, in order to carry it to the schools, it could be cut into three pieces in between the big items that are on the board, so that it would fit together like a puzzle when it goes to the school or the, you know, a day of viewing, or whatever. That's kind of the last, last choice I would do. But in order to save it, that's an option, I think
that's creative.
You'd still have to have a place to store the pieces right. It would be available to continue as a educational tool for the children in town. Sonia had said she was going to talk with Julie Sean at the community center. Do you know if she got anywhere with that? Not that I have heard their display case. I don't know if it's wide enough to hold it or not, even if we cut. It certainly not long enough, but deep enough. I don't know if it's deep enough to hold it. We'd have to measure that. It would also need some explanation along with it, because I think that's one of the big things that's missing from that display, is explaining why it's so important. Patent facilities was last I heard going to talk to library. The library has refused it. He did talk to them.
So the library is effluent if
it didn't, move someplace in the cabinet it's currently in, it really needs a Plexiglas top so that you get more light in to see the exhibit. It's very hard to see. It's especially for adults, because we're taller, but that would lighten up considerably the interior and the display.
Does anybody talk to their respective churches. We'll see if any of them would be interested in giving a corner to this display that they could bring out from time to time.
Occurred to me that I'm sorry It hadn't occurred to me to do that. Well, it seemed to me that number of churches had gotten behind the local field problem of playground in the middle of the sacred area. So I didn't know if they were, they were interested in Native American history, that they might consider that, because I'm trying to think of places that are big enough that would store.
What about the arts Wayland? That's a good suggestion,
although I imagine they use most of their area for their artists. I mean, space is tight for everyone, no matter where we are. That's right, but doesn't hurt to ask, and maybe even if they displayed it for a while, they might be interested in it
Bradford Carver: by sharing Anne's point, if do the elementary schools, I can't remember today, they must have libraries. I mean, do they have a place where you could say, if each elementary school had a place to display it display for a year in each school, Unknown: like a traveling exhibit? Bradford Carver: I just can't remember. Our son went to Claypit. I can't basically remember if there's a library that must be and leave it at each elementary school for a year at a time.
Unknown: Well, I'm glad that people are coming up with creative ideas and suggestions. I'm afraid that even if we found a place in the town building to keep it, it would just disappear. Nobody would know about it, nobody would ask for it. And those that have had kids go through the school system here in Wayland. Do any of you remember when Native Americans were? Subject was being taught in the schools? I don't remember. Bradford Carver: I'm sure they were the topic was, was raised. Unknown: I didn't know whether it was third grade or
fifth grade or something, all right?
Well, thank you for all these ideas. We will try to follow up on them. Any other comments on this topic? Otherwise, I'll move on
Wayland festival review. Let's just go around the room individually, Braddy and something nice to say. I thought the whole Bradford Carver: thing was great. You know, Anne's posters were great. Rick brother, railroad one out of the kids. Like the artifacts, the arrowheads, we had good handouts. I thought, all in all, it was great. I was surprised how big the festival was, which was That was impressive. It was fun.
Unknown: I agree, we had a lot of interest in our table, folks that came up and worried about certain. They particularly the railroad, but, you know, the stones bridge and and they were happy that that project was completed and the way it looked. And, yep, I I thought it's good day.
Well, I thought the posters and the handouts were especially great. I had brought a clipboard with some paper along, and there were four people that volunteered their names. I didn't ask anybody to sign up, but one person was from Sudbury, who is on the Sudbury Select Board and on the 250 committee for Sudbury and I passed his name along to Mary antis, but it might be nice to send out an Email to these people just briefly saying thank you for visiting our table. Here is our website. You can see our agendas and past meeting minutes. We have other information. If you're interested in a tour of our archeology lab, let us know, and please contact us if you have any questions. So those are the names of the people, just as a courtesy, or some of them are and they were interested enough to volunteer their names.
Oh, I agree with everyone. I thought it was really a great day and really nice for us to get that kind of visibility. People seem really interested, and my only regret was not having flyers for the Thursday night program at the library. That was an oversight. But I think, think we get an A plus for I do together a great table, you know, without a fun
I quite agree. I think the posters were fabulous. So thank you too. It was very eye catching. I think people stop and notice photographs and want to come over curious about them, and the flyers were fabulous. Thank you so much. And as an aside, I'd like to put your description of the three organizations into the newsletter for the Historical Society, because we too get questions about the difference. So yeah, and you guys really went out there and sold us and let people know that we're here and that we're part of the government, town government, and that they can, you know, reach out to us when necessary. So thank you all, and you all took a turn, everyone, Tanya and Amanda as well. Tanya, I mean, Amanda rushing home from New York, and then closing up, and Brad setting up and closing up, and Sherry Anne, will you bring out there at two tables? So, yeah, Rick, of course, you're always an eye catcher. In fact, I had somebody come up to me and say, How do I get hold of that guy that did the railroad? I want him to give us a talk. So all in great demand. Thank you so much for your efforts in getting everything done, and for you coming in early on. Was it Wednesday or Friday to get all the material? It was easy. Thank you and everything. So do we know if the the
artifacts are back in the lab yet? Amanda, Bradford Carver: I don't know, leave, so I don't know. Unknown: I don't know because Amanda said she lost the key to the lab, so I have no idea where they're located. At the moment, she said she was coming in Wednesday morning. I'm was this I am assuming that she's bringing it with her. Then, okay, well, I wasn't at the lab. No, I know, and I and I know Tanya was not at the lab this morning because she had that appointment. So forget this is Wednesday already, just too many deadlines again. Thank you for a wonderful day and the excitement, as everybody has alluded to, the electricity in the air. People were just happy to come out and and learn something that about an organization they didn't know anything about. I appreciate you all the efforts that went into it, and we will certainly be using the posters again and the flyers and the brochure that all come together. And hopefully we can. Continue to use, I will say, as you alluded to in the Thursday night program with the Historical Society, sent out an e blast, which you probably saw, and I've already gotten three emails asking if it's being recorded. And I foolishly said, Oh, sure, no, look on YouTube. Then I talked to Courtney last night and found out it was not being recorded, so I emailed them all again, saying I'm so sorry I was too quick in responding, but they're not being recorded. Somebody asked, you could be moved up in the week, somebody else chided me for, oh, there are so many senior citizens who watch it live then, yeah, this was his request. It's, you know, that's what I heard. It was he just feels like, if it's recorded, then he loses control of who sees it exactly. And that's what I told them, come from doing the same program and other channels, but the library is has shared the link with four or five other libraries, so there will be people from all yes, as of last night, 70 people signed up on Zoom. And I think she said around 2022, people in person. So that's shows what an interest there is in it. And it sort of follows up on the cemetery article from the post, for those people that read that, which I want to commend you on, that was a wonderful art. It was good. That was good. ARPA, I didn't know that you were planning to do that, and so this wasn't surprised. My thoughts really well done. Thank you. They They requested a column that was due on Friday, and I said, Oh, okay, but I thought, let's tie it in with the cemetery talk, and maybe people will tune in and come to that and so forth. And then the cemetery walk that will be in April for the 2/50 Yeah. Well, it was really lovely. Well, thank you.
It's tomorrow night, an occasion where we should take our little brochures that we had, I think so. So that means getting hold of Amanda so that Nick can, yes, she just, she has everything, as far as I know, right? Nobody else took anything else home. Okay? She looks closest to you. Do you think you could Oxford world? I don't know which house is hers, but what I do not know which house is hers. I don't know which house, yes, first we have to connect and see if she's available, and then we'll get her address so I call her after this meeting and before my next one. Okay, so yes, we want to use those posters over and over again, flyers as well, as I said earlier. Moving on, we're going to the house plaque reports. Okay,
Bradford Carver: I handed out the list of housebacks that have been handed out over the years. It's, it's, as far as I know, it's now complete. There are some dates on the left hand side, the application dates I in the materials I had. I just didn't have those dates. But everything else is completed. In terms of new applications. There was one for old training training field Road, which was a replacement that was I finished that last week. We have two applications pending. I sent some follow up emails this morning asking for status of the application, and one person has withdrawn their application. But as of, as of now this, as far as I know, this is an up to date list, and they The other thing is the guidelines for for obtaining a plaque, and you probably saw Anne actually redid the application. It was a handout, and it was a great idea. What she did was she took the requirements that were on the website and actually inserted them in the application, which was, I thought, a great idea. Great idea. And in terms. Of updating either the application or the requirements. I guess I only had one thought, and that is the age of the buildings as of right now. It doesn't list an age. It just says buildings that are of an advanced age and retain significant original character and design. I guess the only thing I would offer is we could just pick an arbitrary date and say buildings that are prior to 1900 and retain significant original character and design. You know, they're going to be some some types of buildings or architecture after 1900 like prairie style or Frank Lloyd Wright, or like the Gropius house, that sort of thing thereafter 1900 but, but if they're a significant architectural design, then they're going to qualify under style anyway. So I guess the only suggestion I would have is just insert or modify that one line says buildings that were built prior to 1900 and retain significant original character and design beyond that, I thought The application and requirements still still make sense.
Unknown: I think it does make sense to be more specific, because otherwise people will assume. They ask, how old is old, right? And then every application is a decision or
an opinion. You may remember, when Alisa was on the board, there was a house that had been renovated tremendously, and there were only two walls, I believe, that were still part of the original house. We did make a decision to let her, to let them put on a plaque, or we created the plaque for them with the that I had to go on the old part of the house. It couldn't go on the new, newer looking, contemporary style part of the house. And I still have been thinking about that. It's been in my mind, thinking, Did we really do the right thing on that. And so I guess, if we're talking about limitations or the goal, how much renovation can be done before, is my question. I and I don't have an answer for it, to be perfectly honest, something like a house that is renovated in the back, like 105 plane, where people don't see it from the road. It still qualifies, but had been, actually part of the front is, is an addition, but it's still seem to qualify. I don't know. Do we say limited nations, limited exterior veneration? Bradford Carver: It currently reads under age, there are advanced age and retain significant original character and design. So Unknown: I I don't have broad enough umbrella. I Bradford Carver: think I'd leave that's I think I tighten the age requirement, make that more specific, like pre 1900 or whatever date we could choose, but then retain the broader language, because it gives us discretion. And I don't think it's going to come up that offer, maybe, maybe it does, but at least that gives us some some discretion in terms of modifications to the home, because, to a degree, we want people to apply, and if there have been some modifications, but you can still tell that it's an older house. I'd rather err on the side of giving them a plaque than not. But I get that's why I said. I think the only change I would make would be to put in a date free, whatever date you choose. Unknown: I would hesitate at a specific date, like 1900 because people are going to see that and they're going to stop reading the rest of the description that might have the loophole with their house, whether it's craftsmen or whether it's mid century modern. As the years go by, a lot more styles are going to come into the range of being acceptable for a plaque, I think I would say more than at least so many years old. And then that gives you a broader spectrum within that. So if you say at least, at least 75 years old, and that gets you to 1950 and so anything before that can be considered that would, that would be my thought on that, instead of saying anything before has to be before 1900 Because we do have mid century We've got some outstanding mid century modern houses in this town now 75 years old, but that's my thought I was getting ready to apply, and it'll be 70 years. In a few years, it'll be old, but it is mid century modern, and was thinking in a specific style, Campanelli style, versus other styles of mid century modern. So I'm gonna have a Bradford Carver: problem with putting 75 years or I guess my only comment was, it's probably better to have Unknown: a specific data. Yeah, and I would say at least that for whatever number of years we might decide, at least 50, at least 75, at least 80, what, whatever, Bradford Carver: I just want to get rid of advanced age, because makes me think I'm over 70 now. Yeah, somebody said I'm advanced stage. And just want to get rid of those two words.
Unknown: How do other people feel about it? I agree with Sherry Anne.
I do too. I think 75 years is a good number, and it also means as we go through the next few years, we don't have to,
yep, no problem with that at all. Well, can I have a motion on it please? Bradford Carver: I move that we revise the application for the house plaque, as well as the website itself, to indicate that to qualify buildings must be at least 75 years old and then retain significant original character and design.
Unknown: Do I hear a second? Second comments?
I have a question. Sherry Anne brought it up, do you want a significant design and have 75 years afterwards? Rather than saying 75 years and then then saying, Oh, it's not old enough yet, or counting on their finger saying, well, it's not old enough and not realizing that they would fall under the significant design situation.
Bradford Carver: I guess an alternative would be to move age down to the bottom of the application and start with event, person style, then age, then they have to at least read down that far. I do think that if somebody, if somebody stops there, they're probably not that interested, but, but you can just put age last Unknown: well, I'm asking the question. I'm not making a decision. How do other people feel about that?
With leaving it or changing it, changing changing it. Any other comment would you like to revise your Bradford Carver: I would revise my motion to move the requirement for the age of the building to the last requirement, not the first. Unknown: Do Yes, okay, second
any no further comments. All right, let's start. Brad Carver, yes. Jailyn Bryant, yes. And Gordon, yes. Rick Connor, yes, and Kay Gardner West got Yes. All right, we sort of talked about cemetery program already. Is there any other comments that we want to talk about or here
future programs like Anne said, If we co sponsor with a library, we can ask them to put it out to other libraries. They can determine whether they charge other libraries no fee or a significant fee. In this particular case, she got $50 per library. Got five libraries to sign up. So that brings our costs down significantly, as well as theirs, as we split it, and we have to go to Jailyn and get the. Money so that we can pay dentists tomorrow. I thought the library, Oh, that's right, you're right. I'm sorry, I forgot they paid and then they sent in the bill and to take it out of our funds, right? You're right. I'm sorry I forgot that, so we don't have to worry about it, because it is such a hassle to do. I you any other comments about the cemetery program? Okay, super so cemetery activity from the grant, we have an update on that we do this. I'm sorry I didn't let you know as chair prior to this meeting, but we literally just got an email early earlier today from Epic Brad and I had a meeting scheduled with them this evening just to talk about where we are and how we're going to go forward. But meanwhile, we got an email from Rachel this morning saying that regarding the meeting that Josh was he's not feeling well and can't be at tonight's meeting, and did we want to reschedule? But more to the point, I'll read to you, and I'll forward this to all of you, if you goodbye. I
Joseph is still working away. This is the person they hired for the summer work, and he's been doing the priority three stones, the cleanings, just straightening the stones. Or what is priority three? Priority three is just, is cleaning? Oh, cleaning. I'm sorry I didn't hear you. Yeah, thank you. She says we may need to make a hard decision at the end of the season about the contract part from the health issues Josh is facing. We are discovering more and more that inflation has made it so our original estimate from a few years ago is putting us at a loss with some of the work. We may want to at the end of the season, recalculate the original estimate and also help you prioritize what work is left so you have a reasonable timeline, so you can put it out for bid at an amended amount we need the dust to settle to know what we are going to be able to do. We also discovered with a recent repair that it was far worse than we originally anticipated. There needs to be a plan for when a repair ends up taking substantially more time and material. I don't know the logistics on your end. We can discuss this further. So we have a good plan for your cemeteries moving forward. We want to end the season at a good stopping place with a good plan for you in the cemeteries and path forward that you can act on. Thank you for your understanding. So Brad and I have talked about this a lot in the last couple months, that it just it didn't seem possible that they could carry on and carry out the terms of the contract. So I have asked Kelsi to advise us on what happens now, she I just spoke to her quickly before our meeting. She said she'll look at the contract, and then we'll set up a meeting with her and find out how it how it all needs to work, what happens to the funding that hasn't yet been spent. There's a lot of questions. And to
Bradford Carver: put it in context there, there as of the last payment application, I believe they're about 33% done overall. I'm not sure the breakdown between priorities one, two and three, but it's about 30% total, which is that that's after two years. Unknown: Yeah, I have the breakdown. I was able to pull this together just before coming over here. Of the priority one stones which Priority One is, of course, the highest priority those the ones that really need immediate attention and repair. They are 69% complete on priority 160, or 5069,
69 right. Six. Nine, yeah. Priority two, stones. These are stones that need a good cleaning, but also may have a crack or chip or they're leaning and and so priority to they have not focused on virtually at all. So priority two stones, they are point oh, 6% complete. There are 170 priority two stones on the list that need attention. They have completed 11. So it completed 11 out of 170 so that's the biggest category that is on Done. Priority three. This is cleaning. They are 36% complete. Only 36 there are 639 priority three stones, I think one of the things, and this is from another discussion, another time, but, you know, I think we may want to look at what's the best way to oversee this kind of work. This may have been too big a project, you know, we may want to, in the future, just do one cemetery at a time, or find 639 stones that need to be cleaned. It's a lot, and that doesn't even include the ones that really need more time and attention. Now she mentioned in her email about this, the repair that Josh was working on that turned out to be a bigger project than they anticipated, and I happened to see him last weekend. I went up to North cemetery to check on the work that was in their most recent invoice. And there was Josh working on this repair stone. In fact, I took a picture and then put it in the brochure because it was a stone that was in pieces, and it had, you know, he had built a wooden frame, and I thought it really demonstrated, you know, some of the work that we're overseeing. But he mentioned to me then that it turned out to be a much bigger problem and a bigger repair than they originally anticipated. So, you know, my heart goes out to them, I think that, you know, they've done the best they could under the circumstances, given Josh's health, given, I think a small business, and
it's unfortunate for us and for them, but I think term it being the contract is the best thing to do. And then, you know, that leaves us with a lot of questions about what we do next. Well, I think before we even talk about terminating contract, we have to hear back from the town as to the responsibilities, how it's done, things like that, what's expected. And then, of course, that means we have to do another ARPA out and see who responds. Bradford Carver: Those are all the questions. And I talked about that. Those are the questions that I have. My main concern is to make sure we retain the funding, and that because we terminate one way or another, that we don't lose the funding. So I think that's, I think that's critically important. Unknown: Well, you won't lose the funding, per se, because you still have the funding from this is CPA funding, right? Yes, well, that I Bradford Carver: wasn't aware, so that's good. And then the question I had, and again, we'll talk to Kelsi, is, we're not the bid once before, do we need to Revit it? Or can we go to the other second bidder? We might be, might be able to Unknown: assuming that these other bidders are still interested, correct, correct. And that would be Ludlow, because the the third bidder was quite a bit higher, quite a lot higher.
Well, it it is unfortunate, and I understand, but a comment that you had made at the last meeting has stuck with me. Is that on Facebook that they're showing they're working in other cemeteries that are paying them more than we are, but yet, that's what the contract was signed for. That was what they did. It wasn't our setting the price at this it was what they set the price. And it seems to me that they needed to finish our contract before they started working on other contracts. And therefore, as much as I. Feel badly that they're going through this troubled time. We have to be loyal to the town and how the money is spent. And the other thing is, there a clause in the contract that says, if you do not complete it, there's a penalty. Okay, see, I don't know. We may want to consider that for future contracts. Yeah, right. But obviously, if there, he's feeling well enough to work in other cemeteries, then he's made the decision that, you know, he could have been honoring his contract here, but he chose to go someplace else, and that kind of bothers me up, that that's what happened. And so that should be part of your discussion. When you talk to them about it, that it's a concern. Yeah, I agree. It's been disappointing. I'm pretty confident it's an economic decision on their part. I think they are really they operate really close to the I bet they do. I bet they do. They just had to go where the money was, and it's not a good business practice, and it's not fair to us, but it's what they felt they had to do. So I think, you know, ending the relationship is better for everyone at this point. Do we know? You know, it's the most recent requisitions paid. I don't know if it's been changed. I know. I know Kelsi submitted it.
If we should pause that
for work done, you're saying pause paying for work already done. And why would you what would be the logic of pausing work that's already been completed? Oh, Bradford Carver: it's technically what they're saying is we're going to breach the contract, and if you breach a contract, you're not entitled to any further benefits of the contract, including work performed. So I think that I'm quite confident in saying that if we chose to withhold the payment, we we have a right to do that, whether, whether we want to do that is a different question, because, you know, they've, because of all the things we talked about, they've done the work and we understand John situation. Yes, I'm just saying strictly the legal matter. I think we could withhold the payment to basically send us an email saying she's not going to complete, Unknown: right? Well, yeah, let's talk to Kelsi then, and see what the town advises. Bradford Carver: Man, that's kind of a harsh thing to do, but it's it is you Unknown: would have the right to do that, right? Well, we're going to be at a significant disadvantage financially, because there's no way we're going to complete the same amount of work for the same amount of money we have left. So we're going to have to make decisions about either to apply for more funding or scale back the project.
Let's make a I'm making a suggestion that you hold any more bill paying doesn't mean that we won't pay the bill, but we just hold it till discussions are completed. Bradford Carver: Yeah, I mean, I I know the advice I would give if I were a lawyer advising the group, but that's not my calling. Kelsi or Michael doesn't have to make that Unknown: call. Well, what I'm saying is you should meet with Kelsi and pull the fund the payments until all all parties involved, the town and us and the and the cemetery workers all come to some of more agreement. And because, as I said, our responsibility is to the Tom as much as we may, like the people we're working with and and are sorry that there are problems.
Does anybody feel that says to be voted on, or what would to hold payment until discussions are finished? I don't think we should. I don't think we should get advice from the town's legal right pipeline, okay, see how they like to do these things. Well, I would like to make a motion that the Historical Commission would allow holding the payment after discussion with the town, if they so, if they feel it's necessary. In other words, you already have our vote to hold payment if, after discussion with Kelsi, that seems the next step to do. Bradford Carver: I think I would rather get the advice first before we hold any kind of Unknown: vote. Well, I just want to give you the right to make that decision without having to come back to the board, is what I'm trying to do. Bradford Carver: Well, yeah, I'm just not sure that we should be having a vote on that without first getting some advice. Okay, Unknown: also, I'm not, I'm not well, I don't know. You're a lawyer, so you have way more familiarity. But that almost feels like it's not our decision. That is the town's decision, how they want to handle the contract and the payment, and then they they just need to tell us how. Okay by that, yes, and okay, alrighty, anything else? Okay, Rick, do you have anything to say about the archeology?
Not really. I've been out of the lab for the past few weeks to travels the lab this morning, and Tanya, in her phone message to me, said that she didn't really have anything to report out the lab, that they hadn't been meeting, as you say, and so accomplishments has slowed down now to the railroad and the Rail Trail.
Well, we met with the Select Board on September 15 about the DEP CR reducing the number of signs, and let's see Anne and Fay and Sherry. Anne were there. Who else was there? Amanda, yes, so Kate and Bonnie gossels made the presentation to the Select Board. K Do you want to discuss that? Well, what Bonnie gossels had suggested to the board was they had made a legal agreement to the sign makers and to the sign designer for 13 signs, and because
it was decided that we could only have 11 signs. One sign is a repeat. So there, as far as the designer was concerned, there was just one sign to make, because it was going to be repeated at both ends. Therefore, since we had signed a contract for that number, and we would have to pay that whether or not we use all that number. She suggested that the Historical Commission, who has two signs for Dudley woods and one sign for castle gate, be used in place of those signs that were not being made for the Rail Trail and the Select Board agreed to that. My understanding that it is coming back to the Select Board, and there is a slight possibility that they may change their mind on it. In the meantime, I've heard that facilities wants to put a sign at the stones bridge, and they will be bidding for that extra signage and design work. I have not heard of the date. I've not seen an agenda that it's when it's going to happen, if it's going to happen, and I don't know why they're re voting it, but apparently Carol Martin felt that it needed to be re voted when there were more Select Board people in attendance, I think they just had a quorum. So I've not heard anything further on it or date, if it happened or it may not come up, I don't know. I just heard to break mine. That's all I know. As I recall with that meeting, they the Select Board did not vote. They were in agreement. So it may be, they feel they have to know a vote, because it involves monies. I thought they had voted. I thought she had called off each name and they had voted, but apparently not. So I remember rather, I think they decided not to vote. Yeah, election, let's be an agreement. It's. Voted not to vote,
decided not to vote. That may be why it's coming up again.
On Monday, I received a email from Bonnie castles sending revised text for the rail trail signs to Carol Hol So Bonnie has reduced the word count. I I'm reviewing those revisions. I might have a few minor revision was that this past Monday, yes, I don't think I gotta send a copy to you and to Scarlet. At least it was sent to Catherine too, and sent what Catherine two. That's all it said for an email address. So if you didn't receive it, let me know, and I can forward it to one of your other email addresses. It was Monday, October six. Okay, go ahead. It was sent to my town email address, but I don't know whether Catherine two is one of your own email addresses. No, it's not. There is a you do have an address that comes through my email list as Catherine too. It's not the address, but it's the name. I get email from you, from like, several different accounts. What's a firecracker? Water Town? Oh, yeah. There are a lot of accounts. I have a lot of different things going on, and it makes it hard for me to search. When I'm trying to find an email from you, all you have to do is search into Catherine, pull them all up.
I will send you that. Forward that email to you, Fay, if you can't find it, okay. Thank you. I know that she sent it, but I didn't think. I thought she had sent it after the town Select Board meeting, but it's sounding vaguely familiar. I'm sure it must be in there. It just came when there were too many other deadlines for me to stop and look at it. Let me just the only other thing I have to report is that I spoke briefly with Aida Janice at the Wayland festival about the library work, which is kind of complete. And she mentioned when passing that they might be possibly looking at the freight house for possible future use. But it's, I gather, it's only something that's at the idea stage right now, nothing definitely. Who is this? This Aida gems. Oh, are you the chair of the Library Board of Trustees? The free house is under whose this look board is not, doesn't it's not under the library. It's because it's used by the DEP W and the Historical Society and the library for storage.
So that's all. I
I too, have heard that the library is has plans for the break house without any idea what what it is.
Bon, I'm sorry, so we move on. Are you done? Okay, sorry, I was trying to find something on the
what Bonnie sent out.
Any other comments that we didn't know about 48 hours in advance,
look at the calendar for the next meeting, I have it as November 5. I believe that's correct. I just wanted to clarify it with everybody.
Bradford Carver: I may or may not be able to make that meeting leave. I'm flying out the next day.
Unknown: Wait a minute, you have when November? What fifth? Yes, that's right, that first Wednesday, the month, right? You
so anyone else have any other problems with November 5?
We can keep it November 5. You can zoom in. Yeah, I'll let you know. Yep, if that's more convenient for you. Thank you all for being such a wonderful team for Wayland festival and continuing to work as a wonderful team here in our meetings and all our discussions, if there's no other information needed, perhaps a motion to close. So moved second. Any discussion. All right, let's start with Brad Carver, hi and Gordon, yes.
Yes, thank you all. Thank.
Some minutes on the minutes. Rick, you don't have any comments.
Rick, wonderful job, as always. Thank you. Anne, may I have a motion to accept the minutes is corrected against please. Second. Any further discussion, all those in favor? Aye, I can't. I have to do a roll call. Marianne Bryant, yes. Brad parver, yes. And Gordon, yes. Rick Connor, yes, and Kay Gordon, West back, yes. Thank you again. The display in the town building. I didn't notice if the display was still in the hallway, because I came in from the other direction, yes, yes, of the
village, the Indian village, yes of the Native American Indian village. Everybody said they would think about it from last month, and any thoughts probably to the surface. My thought was, if we cannot find a place to store it, and folks really think it's important for elementary kids to see that I looked at it, and there is a possibility that it could be, in order to carry it to the schools, it could be cut into three pieces in between the big items that are on the board, so that it would fit together like a puzzle when it goes to the school or the, you know, a day of viewing, or whatever. That's kind of the last, last choice I would do. But in order to save it, that's an option, I think
that's creative.
You'd still have to have a place to store the pieces right. It would be available to continue as a educational tool for the children in town. Sonia had said she was going to talk with Julie Sean at the community center. Do you know if she got anywhere with that? Not that I have heard their display case. I don't know if it's wide enough to hold it or not, even if we cut. It certainly not long enough, but deep enough. I don't know if it's deep enough to hold it. We'd have to measure that. It would also need some explanation along with it, because I think that's one of the big things that's missing from that display, is explaining why it's so important. Patent facilities was last I heard going to talk to library. The library has refused it. He did talk to them.
So the library is effluent if
it didn't, move someplace in the cabinet it's currently in, it really needs a Plexiglas top so that you get more light in to see the exhibit. It's very hard to see. It's especially for adults, because we're taller, but that would lighten up considerably the interior and the display.
Does anybody talk to their respective churches. We'll see if any of them would be interested in giving a corner to this display that they could bring out from time to time.
Occurred to me that I'm sorry It hadn't occurred to me to do that. Well, it seemed to me that number of churches had gotten behind the local field problem of playground in the middle of the sacred area. So I didn't know if they were, they were interested in Native American history, that they might consider that, because I'm trying to think of places that are big enough that would store.
What about the arts Wayland? That's a good suggestion,
although I imagine they use most of their area for their artists. I mean, space is tight for everyone, no matter where we are. That's right, but doesn't hurt to ask, and maybe even if they displayed it for a while, they might be interested in it
Bradford Carver: by sharing Anne's point, if do the elementary schools, I can't remember today, they must have libraries. I mean, do they have a place where you could say, if each elementary school had a place to display it display for a year in each school, Unknown: like a traveling exhibit? Bradford Carver: I just can't remember. Our son went to Claypit. I can't basically remember if there's a library that must be and leave it at each elementary school for a year at a time.
Unknown: Well, I'm glad that people are coming up with creative ideas and suggestions. I'm afraid that even if we found a place in the town building to keep it, it would just disappear. Nobody would know about it, nobody would ask for it. And those that have had kids go through the school system here in Wayland. Do any of you remember when Native Americans were? Subject was being taught in the schools? I don't remember. Bradford Carver: I'm sure they were the topic was, was raised. Unknown: I didn't know whether it was third grade or
fifth grade or something, all right?
Well, thank you for all these ideas. We will try to follow up on them. Any other comments on this topic? Otherwise, I'll move on
Wayland festival review. Let's just go around the room individually, Braddy and something nice to say. I thought the whole Bradford Carver: thing was great. You know, Anne's posters were great. Rick brother, railroad one out of the kids. Like the artifacts, the arrowheads, we had good handouts. I thought, all in all, it was great. I was surprised how big the festival was, which was That was impressive. It was fun.
Unknown: I agree, we had a lot of interest in our table, folks that came up and worried about certain. They particularly the railroad, but, you know, the stones bridge and and they were happy that that project was completed and the way it looked. And, yep, I I thought it's good day.
Well, I thought the posters and the handouts were especially great. I had brought a clipboard with some paper along, and there were four people that volunteered their names. I didn't ask anybody to sign up, but one person was from Sudbury, who is on the Sudbury Select Board and on the 250 committee for Sudbury and I passed his name along to Mary antis, but it might be nice to send out an Email to these people just briefly saying thank you for visiting our table. Here is our website. You can see our agendas and past meeting minutes. We have other information. If you're interested in a tour of our archeology lab, let us know, and please contact us if you have any questions. So those are the names of the people, just as a courtesy, or some of them are and they were interested enough to volunteer their names.
Oh, I agree with everyone. I thought it was really a great day and really nice for us to get that kind of visibility. People seem really interested, and my only regret was not having flyers for the Thursday night program at the library. That was an oversight. But I think, think we get an A plus for I do together a great table, you know, without a fun
I quite agree. I think the posters were fabulous. So thank you too. It was very eye catching. I think people stop and notice photographs and want to come over curious about them, and the flyers were fabulous. Thank you so much. And as an aside, I'd like to put your description of the three organizations into the newsletter for the Historical Society, because we too get questions about the difference. So yeah, and you guys really went out there and sold us and let people know that we're here and that we're part of the government, town government, and that they can, you know, reach out to us when necessary. So thank you all, and you all took a turn, everyone, Tanya and Amanda as well. Tanya, I mean, Amanda rushing home from New York, and then closing up, and Brad setting up and closing up, and Sherry Anne, will you bring out there at two tables? So, yeah, Rick, of course, you're always an eye catcher. In fact, I had somebody come up to me and say, How do I get hold of that guy that did the railroad? I want him to give us a talk. So all in great demand. Thank you so much for your efforts in getting everything done, and for you coming in early on. Was it Wednesday or Friday to get all the material? It was easy. Thank you and everything. So do we know if the the
artifacts are back in the lab yet? Amanda, Bradford Carver: I don't know, leave, so I don't know. Unknown: I don't know because Amanda said she lost the key to the lab, so I have no idea where they're located. At the moment, she said she was coming in Wednesday morning. I'm was this I am assuming that she's bringing it with her. Then, okay, well, I wasn't at the lab. No, I know, and I and I know Tanya was not at the lab this morning because she had that appointment. So forget this is Wednesday already, just too many deadlines again. Thank you for a wonderful day and the excitement, as everybody has alluded to, the electricity in the air. People were just happy to come out and and learn something that about an organization they didn't know anything about. I appreciate you all the efforts that went into it, and we will certainly be using the posters again and the flyers and the brochure that all come together. And hopefully we can. Continue to use, I will say, as you alluded to in the Thursday night program with the Historical Society, sent out an e blast, which you probably saw, and I've already gotten three emails asking if it's being recorded. And I foolishly said, Oh, sure, no, look on YouTube. Then I talked to Courtney last night and found out it was not being recorded, so I emailed them all again, saying I'm so sorry I was too quick in responding, but they're not being recorded. Somebody asked, you could be moved up in the week, somebody else chided me for, oh, there are so many senior citizens who watch it live then, yeah, this was his request. It's, you know, that's what I heard. It was he just feels like, if it's recorded, then he loses control of who sees it exactly. And that's what I told them, come from doing the same program and other channels, but the library is has shared the link with four or five other libraries, so there will be people from all yes, as of last night, 70 people signed up on Zoom. And I think she said around 2022, people in person. So that's shows what an interest there is in it. And it sort of follows up on the cemetery article from the post, for those people that read that, which I want to commend you on, that was a wonderful art. It was good. That was good. ARPA, I didn't know that you were planning to do that, and so this wasn't surprised. My thoughts really well done. Thank you. They They requested a column that was due on Friday, and I said, Oh, okay, but I thought, let's tie it in with the cemetery talk, and maybe people will tune in and come to that and so forth. And then the cemetery walk that will be in April for the 2/50 Yeah. Well, it was really lovely. Well, thank you.
It's tomorrow night, an occasion where we should take our little brochures that we had, I think so. So that means getting hold of Amanda so that Nick can, yes, she just, she has everything, as far as I know, right? Nobody else took anything else home. Okay? She looks closest to you. Do you think you could Oxford world? I don't know which house is hers, but what I do not know which house is hers. I don't know which house, yes, first we have to connect and see if she's available, and then we'll get her address so I call her after this meeting and before my next one. Okay, so yes, we want to use those posters over and over again, flyers as well, as I said earlier. Moving on, we're going to the house plaque reports. Okay,
Bradford Carver: I handed out the list of housebacks that have been handed out over the years. It's, it's, as far as I know, it's now complete. There are some dates on the left hand side, the application dates I in the materials I had. I just didn't have those dates. But everything else is completed. In terms of new applications. There was one for old training training field Road, which was a replacement that was I finished that last week. We have two applications pending. I sent some follow up emails this morning asking for status of the application, and one person has withdrawn their application. But as of, as of now this, as far as I know, this is an up to date list, and they The other thing is the guidelines for for obtaining a plaque, and you probably saw Anne actually redid the application. It was a handout, and it was a great idea. What she did was she took the requirements that were on the website and actually inserted them in the application, which was, I thought, a great idea. Great idea. And in terms. Of updating either the application or the requirements. I guess I only had one thought, and that is the age of the buildings as of right now. It doesn't list an age. It just says buildings that are of an advanced age and retain significant original character and design. I guess the only thing I would offer is we could just pick an arbitrary date and say buildings that are prior to 1900 and retain significant original character and design. You know, they're going to be some some types of buildings or architecture after 1900 like prairie style or Frank Lloyd Wright, or like the Gropius house, that sort of thing thereafter 1900 but, but if they're a significant architectural design, then they're going to qualify under style anyway. So I guess the only suggestion I would have is just insert or modify that one line says buildings that were built prior to 1900 and retain significant original character and design beyond that, I thought The application and requirements still still make sense.
Unknown: I think it does make sense to be more specific, because otherwise people will assume. They ask, how old is old, right? And then every application is a decision or
an opinion. You may remember, when Alisa was on the board, there was a house that had been renovated tremendously, and there were only two walls, I believe, that were still part of the original house. We did make a decision to let her, to let them put on a plaque, or we created the plaque for them with the that I had to go on the old part of the house. It couldn't go on the new, newer looking, contemporary style part of the house. And I still have been thinking about that. It's been in my mind, thinking, Did we really do the right thing on that. And so I guess, if we're talking about limitations or the goal, how much renovation can be done before, is my question. I and I don't have an answer for it, to be perfectly honest, something like a house that is renovated in the back, like 105 plane, where people don't see it from the road. It still qualifies, but had been, actually part of the front is, is an addition, but it's still seem to qualify. I don't know. Do we say limited nations, limited exterior veneration? Bradford Carver: It currently reads under age, there are advanced age and retain significant original character and design. So Unknown: I I don't have broad enough umbrella. I Bradford Carver: think I'd leave that's I think I tighten the age requirement, make that more specific, like pre 1900 or whatever date we could choose, but then retain the broader language, because it gives us discretion. And I don't think it's going to come up that offer, maybe, maybe it does, but at least that gives us some some discretion in terms of modifications to the home, because, to a degree, we want people to apply, and if there have been some modifications, but you can still tell that it's an older house. I'd rather err on the side of giving them a plaque than not. But I get that's why I said. I think the only change I would make would be to put in a date free, whatever date you choose. Unknown: I would hesitate at a specific date, like 1900 because people are going to see that and they're going to stop reading the rest of the description that might have the loophole with their house, whether it's craftsmen or whether it's mid century modern. As the years go by, a lot more styles are going to come into the range of being acceptable for a plaque, I think I would say more than at least so many years old. And then that gives you a broader spectrum within that. So if you say at least, at least 75 years old, and that gets you to 1950 and so anything before that can be considered that would, that would be my thought on that, instead of saying anything before has to be before 1900 Because we do have mid century We've got some outstanding mid century modern houses in this town now 75 years old, but that's my thought I was getting ready to apply, and it'll be 70 years. In a few years, it'll be old, but it is mid century modern, and was thinking in a specific style, Campanelli style, versus other styles of mid century modern. So I'm gonna have a Bradford Carver: problem with putting 75 years or I guess my only comment was, it's probably better to have Unknown: a specific data. Yeah, and I would say at least that for whatever number of years we might decide, at least 50, at least 75, at least 80, what, whatever, Bradford Carver: I just want to get rid of advanced age, because makes me think I'm over 70 now. Yeah, somebody said I'm advanced stage. And just want to get rid of those two words.
Unknown: How do other people feel about it? I agree with Sherry Anne.
I do too. I think 75 years is a good number, and it also means as we go through the next few years, we don't have to,
yep, no problem with that at all. Well, can I have a motion on it please? Bradford Carver: I move that we revise the application for the house plaque, as well as the website itself, to indicate that to qualify buildings must be at least 75 years old and then retain significant original character and design.
Unknown: Do I hear a second? Second comments?
I have a question. Sherry Anne brought it up, do you want a significant design and have 75 years afterwards? Rather than saying 75 years and then then saying, Oh, it's not old enough yet, or counting on their finger saying, well, it's not old enough and not realizing that they would fall under the significant design situation.
Bradford Carver: I guess an alternative would be to move age down to the bottom of the application and start with event, person style, then age, then they have to at least read down that far. I do think that if somebody, if somebody stops there, they're probably not that interested, but, but you can just put age last Unknown: well, I'm asking the question. I'm not making a decision. How do other people feel about that?
With leaving it or changing it, changing changing it. Any other comment would you like to revise your Bradford Carver: I would revise my motion to move the requirement for the age of the building to the last requirement, not the first. Unknown: Do Yes, okay, second
any no further comments. All right, let's start. Brad Carver, yes. Jailyn Bryant, yes. And Gordon, yes. Rick Connor, yes, and Kay Gardner West got Yes. All right, we sort of talked about cemetery program already. Is there any other comments that we want to talk about or here
future programs like Anne said, If we co sponsor with a library, we can ask them to put it out to other libraries. They can determine whether they charge other libraries no fee or a significant fee. In this particular case, she got $50 per library. Got five libraries to sign up. So that brings our costs down significantly, as well as theirs, as we split it, and we have to go to Jailyn and get the. Money so that we can pay dentists tomorrow. I thought the library, Oh, that's right, you're right. I'm sorry, I forgot they paid and then they sent in the bill and to take it out of our funds, right? You're right. I'm sorry I forgot that, so we don't have to worry about it, because it is such a hassle to do. I you any other comments about the cemetery program? Okay, super so cemetery activity from the grant, we have an update on that we do this. I'm sorry I didn't let you know as chair prior to this meeting, but we literally just got an email early earlier today from Epic Brad and I had a meeting scheduled with them this evening just to talk about where we are and how we're going to go forward. But meanwhile, we got an email from Rachel this morning saying that regarding the meeting that Josh was he's not feeling well and can't be at tonight's meeting, and did we want to reschedule? But more to the point, I'll read to you, and I'll forward this to all of you, if you goodbye. I
Joseph is still working away. This is the person they hired for the summer work, and he's been doing the priority three stones, the cleanings, just straightening the stones. Or what is priority three? Priority three is just, is cleaning? Oh, cleaning. I'm sorry I didn't hear you. Yeah, thank you. She says we may need to make a hard decision at the end of the season about the contract part from the health issues Josh is facing. We are discovering more and more that inflation has made it so our original estimate from a few years ago is putting us at a loss with some of the work. We may want to at the end of the season, recalculate the original estimate and also help you prioritize what work is left so you have a reasonable timeline, so you can put it out for bid at an amended amount we need the dust to settle to know what we are going to be able to do. We also discovered with a recent repair that it was far worse than we originally anticipated. There needs to be a plan for when a repair ends up taking substantially more time and material. I don't know the logistics on your end. We can discuss this further. So we have a good plan for your cemeteries moving forward. We want to end the season at a good stopping place with a good plan for you in the cemeteries and path forward that you can act on. Thank you for your understanding. So Brad and I have talked about this a lot in the last couple months, that it just it didn't seem possible that they could carry on and carry out the terms of the contract. So I have asked Kelsi to advise us on what happens now, she I just spoke to her quickly before our meeting. She said she'll look at the contract, and then we'll set up a meeting with her and find out how it how it all needs to work, what happens to the funding that hasn't yet been spent. There's a lot of questions. And to
Bradford Carver: put it in context there, there as of the last payment application, I believe they're about 33% done overall. I'm not sure the breakdown between priorities one, two and three, but it's about 30% total, which is that that's after two years. Unknown: Yeah, I have the breakdown. I was able to pull this together just before coming over here. Of the priority one stones which Priority One is, of course, the highest priority those the ones that really need immediate attention and repair. They are 69% complete on priority 160, or 5069,
69 right. Six. Nine, yeah. Priority two, stones. These are stones that need a good cleaning, but also may have a crack or chip or they're leaning and and so priority to they have not focused on virtually at all. So priority two stones, they are point oh, 6% complete. There are 170 priority two stones on the list that need attention. They have completed 11. So it completed 11 out of 170 so that's the biggest category that is on Done. Priority three. This is cleaning. They are 36% complete. Only 36 there are 639 priority three stones, I think one of the things, and this is from another discussion, another time, but, you know, I think we may want to look at what's the best way to oversee this kind of work. This may have been too big a project, you know, we may want to, in the future, just do one cemetery at a time, or find 639 stones that need to be cleaned. It's a lot, and that doesn't even include the ones that really need more time and attention. Now she mentioned in her email about this, the repair that Josh was working on that turned out to be a bigger project than they anticipated, and I happened to see him last weekend. I went up to North cemetery to check on the work that was in their most recent invoice. And there was Josh working on this repair stone. In fact, I took a picture and then put it in the brochure because it was a stone that was in pieces, and it had, you know, he had built a wooden frame, and I thought it really demonstrated, you know, some of the work that we're overseeing. But he mentioned to me then that it turned out to be a much bigger problem and a bigger repair than they originally anticipated. So, you know, my heart goes out to them, I think that, you know, they've done the best they could under the circumstances, given Josh's health, given, I think a small business, and
it's unfortunate for us and for them, but I think term it being the contract is the best thing to do. And then, you know, that leaves us with a lot of questions about what we do next. Well, I think before we even talk about terminating contract, we have to hear back from the town as to the responsibilities, how it's done, things like that, what's expected. And then, of course, that means we have to do another ARPA out and see who responds. Bradford Carver: Those are all the questions. And I talked about that. Those are the questions that I have. My main concern is to make sure we retain the funding, and that because we terminate one way or another, that we don't lose the funding. So I think that's, I think that's critically important. Unknown: Well, you won't lose the funding, per se, because you still have the funding from this is CPA funding, right? Yes, well, that I Bradford Carver: wasn't aware, so that's good. And then the question I had, and again, we'll talk to Kelsi, is, we're not the bid once before, do we need to Revit it? Or can we go to the other second bidder? We might be, might be able to Unknown: assuming that these other bidders are still interested, correct, correct. And that would be Ludlow, because the the third bidder was quite a bit higher, quite a lot higher.
Well, it it is unfortunate, and I understand, but a comment that you had made at the last meeting has stuck with me. Is that on Facebook that they're showing they're working in other cemeteries that are paying them more than we are, but yet, that's what the contract was signed for. That was what they did. It wasn't our setting the price at this it was what they set the price. And it seems to me that they needed to finish our contract before they started working on other contracts. And therefore, as much as I. Feel badly that they're going through this troubled time. We have to be loyal to the town and how the money is spent. And the other thing is, there a clause in the contract that says, if you do not complete it, there's a penalty. Okay, see, I don't know. We may want to consider that for future contracts. Yeah, right. But obviously, if there, he's feeling well enough to work in other cemeteries, then he's made the decision that, you know, he could have been honoring his contract here, but he chose to go someplace else, and that kind of bothers me up, that that's what happened. And so that should be part of your discussion. When you talk to them about it, that it's a concern. Yeah, I agree. It's been disappointing. I'm pretty confident it's an economic decision on their part. I think they are really they operate really close to the I bet they do. I bet they do. They just had to go where the money was, and it's not a good business practice, and it's not fair to us, but it's what they felt they had to do. So I think, you know, ending the relationship is better for everyone at this point. Do we know? You know, it's the most recent requisitions paid. I don't know if it's been changed. I know. I know Kelsi submitted it.
If we should pause that
for work done, you're saying pause paying for work already done. And why would you what would be the logic of pausing work that's already been completed? Oh, Bradford Carver: it's technically what they're saying is we're going to breach the contract, and if you breach a contract, you're not entitled to any further benefits of the contract, including work performed. So I think that I'm quite confident in saying that if we chose to withhold the payment, we we have a right to do that, whether, whether we want to do that is a different question, because, you know, they've, because of all the things we talked about, they've done the work and we understand John situation. Yes, I'm just saying strictly the legal matter. I think we could withhold the payment to basically send us an email saying she's not going to complete, Unknown: right? Well, yeah, let's talk to Kelsi then, and see what the town advises. Bradford Carver: Man, that's kind of a harsh thing to do, but it's it is you Unknown: would have the right to do that, right? Well, we're going to be at a significant disadvantage financially, because there's no way we're going to complete the same amount of work for the same amount of money we have left. So we're going to have to make decisions about either to apply for more funding or scale back the project.
Let's make a I'm making a suggestion that you hold any more bill paying doesn't mean that we won't pay the bill, but we just hold it till discussions are completed. Bradford Carver: Yeah, I mean, I I know the advice I would give if I were a lawyer advising the group, but that's not my calling. Kelsi or Michael doesn't have to make that Unknown: call. Well, what I'm saying is you should meet with Kelsi and pull the fund the payments until all all parties involved, the town and us and the and the cemetery workers all come to some of more agreement. And because, as I said, our responsibility is to the Tom as much as we may, like the people we're working with and and are sorry that there are problems.
Does anybody feel that says to be voted on, or what would to hold payment until discussions are finished? I don't think we should. I don't think we should get advice from the town's legal right pipeline, okay, see how they like to do these things. Well, I would like to make a motion that the Historical Commission would allow holding the payment after discussion with the town, if they so, if they feel it's necessary. In other words, you already have our vote to hold payment if, after discussion with Kelsi, that seems the next step to do. Bradford Carver: I think I would rather get the advice first before we hold any kind of Unknown: vote. Well, I just want to give you the right to make that decision without having to come back to the board, is what I'm trying to do. Bradford Carver: Well, yeah, I'm just not sure that we should be having a vote on that without first getting some advice. Okay, Unknown: also, I'm not, I'm not well, I don't know. You're a lawyer, so you have way more familiarity. But that almost feels like it's not our decision. That is the town's decision, how they want to handle the contract and the payment, and then they they just need to tell us how. Okay by that, yes, and okay, alrighty, anything else? Okay, Rick, do you have anything to say about the archeology?
Not really. I've been out of the lab for the past few weeks to travels the lab this morning, and Tanya, in her phone message to me, said that she didn't really have anything to report out the lab, that they hadn't been meeting, as you say, and so accomplishments has slowed down now to the railroad and the Rail Trail.
Well, we met with the Select Board on September 15 about the DEP CR reducing the number of signs, and let's see Anne and Fay and Sherry. Anne were there. Who else was there? Amanda, yes, so Kate and Bonnie gossels made the presentation to the Select Board. K Do you want to discuss that? Well, what Bonnie gossels had suggested to the board was they had made a legal agreement to the sign makers and to the sign designer for 13 signs, and because
it was decided that we could only have 11 signs. One sign is a repeat. So there, as far as the designer was concerned, there was just one sign to make, because it was going to be repeated at both ends. Therefore, since we had signed a contract for that number, and we would have to pay that whether or not we use all that number. She suggested that the Historical Commission, who has two signs for Dudley woods and one sign for castle gate, be used in place of those signs that were not being made for the Rail Trail and the Select Board agreed to that. My understanding that it is coming back to the Select Board, and there is a slight possibility that they may change their mind on it. In the meantime, I've heard that facilities wants to put a sign at the stones bridge, and they will be bidding for that extra signage and design work. I have not heard of the date. I've not seen an agenda that it's when it's going to happen, if it's going to happen, and I don't know why they're re voting it, but apparently Carol Martin felt that it needed to be re voted when there were more Select Board people in attendance, I think they just had a quorum. So I've not heard anything further on it or date, if it happened or it may not come up, I don't know. I just heard to break mine. That's all I know. As I recall with that meeting, they the Select Board did not vote. They were in agreement. So it may be, they feel they have to know a vote, because it involves monies. I thought they had voted. I thought she had called off each name and they had voted, but apparently not. So I remember rather, I think they decided not to vote. Yeah, election, let's be an agreement. It's. Voted not to vote,
decided not to vote. That may be why it's coming up again.
On Monday, I received a email from Bonnie castles sending revised text for the rail trail signs to Carol Hol So Bonnie has reduced the word count. I I'm reviewing those revisions. I might have a few minor revision was that this past Monday, yes, I don't think I gotta send a copy to you and to Scarlet. At least it was sent to Catherine too, and sent what Catherine two. That's all it said for an email address. So if you didn't receive it, let me know, and I can forward it to one of your other email addresses. It was Monday, October six. Okay, go ahead. It was sent to my town email address, but I don't know whether Catherine two is one of your own email addresses. No, it's not. There is a you do have an address that comes through my email list as Catherine too. It's not the address, but it's the name. I get email from you, from like, several different accounts. What's a firecracker? Water Town? Oh, yeah. There are a lot of accounts. I have a lot of different things going on, and it makes it hard for me to search. When I'm trying to find an email from you, all you have to do is search into Catherine, pull them all up.
I will send you that. Forward that email to you, Fay, if you can't find it, okay. Thank you. I know that she sent it, but I didn't think. I thought she had sent it after the town Select Board meeting, but it's sounding vaguely familiar. I'm sure it must be in there. It just came when there were too many other deadlines for me to stop and look at it. Let me just the only other thing I have to report is that I spoke briefly with Aida Janice at the Wayland festival about the library work, which is kind of complete. And she mentioned when passing that they might be possibly looking at the freight house for possible future use. But it's, I gather, it's only something that's at the idea stage right now, nothing definitely. Who is this? This Aida gems. Oh, are you the chair of the Library Board of Trustees? The free house is under whose this look board is not, doesn't it's not under the library. It's because it's used by the DEP W and the Historical Society and the library for storage.
So that's all. I
I too, have heard that the library is has plans for the break house without any idea what what it is.
Bon, I'm sorry, so we move on. Are you done? Okay, sorry, I was trying to find something on the
what Bonnie sent out.
Any other comments that we didn't know about 48 hours in advance,
look at the calendar for the next meeting, I have it as November 5. I believe that's correct. I just wanted to clarify it with everybody.
Bradford Carver: I may or may not be able to make that meeting leave. I'm flying out the next day.
Unknown: Wait a minute, you have when November? What fifth? Yes, that's right, that first Wednesday, the month, right? You
so anyone else have any other problems with November 5?
We can keep it November 5. You can zoom in. Yeah, I'll let you know. Yep, if that's more convenient for you. Thank you all for being such a wonderful team for Wayland festival and continuing to work as a wonderful team here in our meetings and all our discussions, if there's no other information needed, perhaps a motion to close. So moved second. Any discussion. All right, let's start with Brad Carver, hi and Gordon, yes.
Yes, thank you all. Thank.