September 21, 2026 – Board of Health – Video & Transcript
September 21, 2026 - Board of Health
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Okay, let's do a roll call.
Catherine Stiff? John Stoyer? Yeah. Dr. Genevieve Anand? Yeah. Dr. Brett Moore is not here tonight and Dr. DeFrancesco is here. So let's start with public comment. Do we have any public comment waiting?
I don't see if Dr. Henry is online. You don't? No, I do not. I'm going to switch to the folks here. Oh yeah, does somebody want to send it? Did they sign it? Anybody sign it? People are, yes. Does anybody want to make any public comment for today? All right, let's start with one. How are you doing? Well, I will start with disease reports before July and August. So we had one case in July, we had one case of babesiosis, one of, two of human disease, one of enterovirus, two of human bone granulocytic, anaplasmosis, and Lyme disease for COVID-19, one of salmolosis, and in August, one of campylobacteriosis, one of clitorisosis, one of clitorisosis, one of human granulocytic anaplasmosis, three of influenza, five of Lyme disease, three of novel coronavirus, one of latent tuberculosis infection, and one of paracela. No surprises on this list did work with Sunrise senior living resident care director mid-September, after seven residents experienced symptoms of gastrointestinal illness. And the regional health inspector also did work with an inspection there, with no significant concerns at that time, and with no illness continued after that point, control measures and education were put into place. The EPA is also assisting with some travel monitoring for those who have traveled from countries affected by the whole law, and so that is something that I've helped with, and then we have a regional, the Great Meadows, the Hope Health Collaborative, if you want to pass that around, is now giving a monthly report based on MAVEN cases. MAVEN is that Massachusetts Virtual Epidemiologic Network, that we manage reportable diseases thoroughly, and so this gives a snapshot of each month for the region, which we are included. And I want to put a little bit about what went into the most recent Town of Wayland newsletter in terms of emergency preparedness and a checklist for those in the community that they can use. MAVEN is also at home in September, National Preparedness Month, and then an invitation about applying clinics in town, there are two coming up on the 7th and the 14th. And flyers for those are up on the Wayland Health Department's webpage. We did work with the superintendent of schools to put a message that was recently put out by Robbie Goldstein, the PDH commissioner and the president of the Massachusetts chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics about the importance of vaccination, especially at the start of the school year. So that's being sent out by school principals. So that's being sent out by school principals. There were two blood pressure clinics recently, one at 106 Main Street and one at Bent Park. And the opioid abatement fund working group did put out the flags recently at the public safety building in recognition of those live plots to overdose in acknowledgement of international overdose awareness day and national recovery month. We have upcoming tabling at Weyland Fest supported by the Metro West Medical Reserve Corps or MRC volunteers that will offer health information and health resources. And then for school services, and then for school services, we are at school health services. We do have an open position currently for community health nurse at the middle school. And so we are looking to fill that and in the email with my report, it did just have a summary of all the important work that the school nurses are doing at this time of year while still some students in the health room. So everything that does have to be done at the service. Any questions? I think we're good. Well, do people have to sign up for the flu for the clinics or do? We do. I think it will be okay to have some walk-ins, but we try to encourage everyone to register in advance. I haven't yet ordered the COVID-19 vaccine. It does come at a cost difference compared to the flu vaccine. So we're trying to be mindful of pre-law and selecting the flu vaccines that are not pre-ordering. So I'll order that closer to the clinic. I had a question on the varicella case. Like was it, was it somebody who was not vaccinated or? Yeah. I think those come through actually as even a herpes zoster. So that's generally what I see as what's coming through. There wasn't anything particularly striking with that one case. And it was even just an FYI to the health department. It wasn't one that required investigation on my part. Sorry, so you're saying it was a shingles case and not a chickenpox case? Any other questions? Any more? You're doing good. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Have a good night. Thank you. Great. Do we have to make a motion to open the hearing? Yes. Okay. We can start our open hearing from 154 Boston Post Road. We need a motion to open the hearing. Motion to open the hearing from 144 Boston Post Road. Do we have a second? Second. Okay. Do a roll call. Dr. Genevieve? Yes. Yes. Yes. Kevin Stiff? Yes. John Stoyer? Yes. And Dr. Bob Defrancesco. Okay. Well, I think we should ask the applicant to explain the request that's before us, mainly because there was a corrected notice that went out on August 23rd. And there was a change in the number of animals. And it does say in the letter, this letter, which you have a copy of it here. Yes. At this point, there is no change to change. I'm sorry. There's no plan to change the animal shelter being currently used. So that was something I wasn't sure about because the prior correspondence had talked about moving things and fences. And so after I looked at everything, I was, you know, wondering what this plant. So there has been an additional shed added on the outside of the yard with the new plants. Okay. And housing. Yeah. So the old one is going to be used for other storage. The one around the side of the house, which is new, that was put in there to keep it away from the neighbors, has been installed. And upon getting the permit for the animals, at that point, another fence installed. So does that, is that what these drawings represent? Correct. Because we received, yeah. So. That's the number one. So is it proposition number one? Correct. Yes. Yes. Which is included in the information we have. So this drawing. That's what. This, this is probably, yes. This is the one. Yes. Okay. So, so the fence would be here? No. So this fence is pre-existing. This is the current shed used here, which is right next to the other line. And they're the most favorite sound. They move the east shed right here, which was just installed, which is also a bit more soundproofed. So they're a lot quieter. Over here, the sound of a lot more area to disperse. As previously, when they would gather here, the sound would only escape towards the neighbor. Here, it can disperse into the woods and towards the street, which already drowns out the noise. So where is the area that? Right here. Right here. That's where the geese will be contained. In that area. This fence is pre-existing. This square is the shed that was just added. And where they're currently sleeping. And right here, this line right here, is a temporary structure that is keeping in that area as a temporary fence. But it should be approved to remove the temporary fence and install a tall permanent fence. That would be without gaps to allow further sound to be contained. This line right here, that's next to this neighbor. We actually have a letter of approval from this neighbor stating that he's perfect. Other geese would be here next to that line. He said he mailed one to you as well. I think you have a copy of the letter. Yes, I do. Yep. I shared it with the board. I think I have a copy of both letters that work. I forwarded the letter of support and the letter of return as well. We spoke with this neighbor recently when we were showing the plans to see if we want to show the neighbors. Let's speak with them before he mailed it to them just to, you know, how we can save the time. And he said that after the geese would be here, that he noticed an improvement. So I'm unsure if there's been any changes with that, but when we spoke to him, that's what he told us. Okay. And so this here is what you're saying is the new shed? Yes, that's the new shed. For animal shelter. Yes. Okay. This line right here represents the fence that will be added as permanent fence. And right now there's a temporary one. Okay. Does everyone understand that? Yeah, I think so. Like I was watching you guys. So, and currently the permit request is for three geese and one duck. Is that correct? That's correct. And we do have a letter that came in from the neighbor. And it sounds like he was confused about things as well. He did contact my office last week on either Thursday or Friday and said that he was not able to make this meeting, but that he was not in support of three geese and one duck. So I'm not sure where the additional tools came from. I hatched. I hatched. I hatched. I hatched. I hatched. At home. It was. I had a hatch that I ordered. And I ended up doing children at mine. And she abandoned it in my house. And they abandoned it in my house. And I faced it. They determined that she ended up looking back. But that's what I did. I didn't think that would happen. I didn't think that would happen. I'm very close to my house. You know. I went to a sanctuary, basically in Sherborne, in the Champ Sanctuary. This thing went down. This thing went down. This thing went down. This thing went down. This thing went down. This thing went down. I didn't think that I could go somewhere that I could visit them in your part of their lives. And the rest of three years in the house, shopping, trying to get out of this town, trying to go to Acton, I know there's better things in the farm. And unfortunately, it's not easy to find them instead. But, you know, it has to do bathrooms. To try my hardest to accommodate in the meantime. And just keep it sound as low as possible. They're not squawking as much because they're not in the back right behind my door. You know. They squawk when I talk to them. And I get more excited. If I may, they were behind us. When I spoke to him was a bit after the fourth one was, the current fourth one was returned to us. I spoke to him around two weeks after that happened. And he did say he knows of improvement. So if it's about the sound, he didn't mention any additional noise. The news that was returned to us is, for the most part, silent. The ones that didn't make any noise were the ones that have been there already. And that is the sound that's already been produced by their replacements. I mean, I believe that the six foot fence will help obviously. I'm surprised. Did you, have you done anything since the last meeting? As far as moving structures or fencing? Yeah. Yes. Right. Proposition L1. You'll see a square sitting up in the fence. That would be shut down. Just animated. I can go there and show if you can't if you'd like. But it must, it must still not be satisfying the neighbor or he wouldn't have written the letter. Yeah. When I spoke to him, it was after the fourth one I arrived. He said it was a great book with the sound. I believe the letter was written because we were expecting this to happen. So we noticed that the letter was given to him to find him a fourth one. I don't think he knew that the fourth one was already back there when I spoke to him. He said it was approving the fourth one had already been there for some time. And didn't expect that to happen. So how many geese do we have at this point? Currently, there are three geese and one. Two geese were there previously. They are the one that primarily sounds they play. The fourth one is quiet. She spends almost all day just sitting on an A. The fourth goose or duck? Duck bird. Fourth bird. Fourth bird. Okay. So the original permit was for one goose and two ducks. That was with variances. For the lot size, the distance to butters. Two and one, two. You said two. Two ducks. Two ducks. And one goose. Okay. And so, you know, the abutter who we've been hearing from has been, you know, is stating in this letter that he's willing to consider a trial arrangement with the original variance of one goose and two ducks. And that's what you initially. That's what was originally approved. I shared a copy of the minutes from that board meeting that was in 2024, I believe, where it was approved at a board meeting. The vote was four to zero to approve the variance for two ducks and one goose. Two ducks and one goose for a walk closer and closer to him than closer to the, you know, where we were. To the other abutter. Mr. Redburn. Yeah. So, you know, if you have a different situation, I mean, is he probably, I mean, frankly, is he probably going to hear sometimes these? He's, yes. There's no question of what time you hear them. Yeah. Constantly? No. I mean. He seemed pretty reasonable when he was here. That, that, that occasional wasn't going to bother him. It was early in the morning or something constant. Right. We're just like, why would I ever see that? Yeah. But he's still, he's still, he's still isn't, he's still isn't happy with it. He told you that it was okay. That was when I had the higher boards up there. I had higher boards that I put up to keep the noise away, which is when he said that it was better. But unfortunately, because I had to work with what I asked, I had to take those boards off. And now, the, the, the, they're only called to carry them out, so of course, because they're going to get to know if they should be fired. I mean, I got an appointment for the higher guys to come in. Um. I guess the board would like, sound for a thing. I mean, I'm just going to get to do it. I mean, I'm just going to get to do it. I mean, I'm just going to get to do it. I mean, I'm just going to get to do it. It's nothing. It's nothing. And I'm willing to, like, my dad's going to, like, allow the signal. It's just going to do it. But I'm trying very hard. And the reason why, before, when we were saying we were going to move, and it didn't happen, my father was in the hospital. And he was in the hospital. And he thinks I was going to make him. And that's when he started. The whole movie thing. And it's been a really hard year for us. So I'm just trying to keep these guys until we get out of there. And we do what we get up and make everyone happy. Um, and I, like, I don't get out in the school.
Yeah, you know, I said elsewhere. Um, well, frankly, I mean, if you're honest with you, I mean, I, we need to pay for a new test, you know, you know, a six-month IRS with the gates and so on. Do I want to do that? No. But you need to simply that we plan to move. But the cheaper is moving. The cheaper is moving. But at the same time, you know, we are willing to spend that money. Just for the time being, we can survive until the spring of next year. Something like that. But for people who are in schools, our streets are closed. Of course, you know, in the school, working in the school. And, uh, and when people are more willing to move, so to speak. Right now, obviously, with kids in school, people are not willing to move and sell houses. That's when, normally, I was experiencing the market more in spring and summer. Or early summer, obviously. And at that time, that's what we're planning to do. Can I ask the letter, um, the letter, did it mention additional goings? Or was it a question to the additional? So one question here, um, it does say, um, and I don't remember hearing this, but that it was acknowledged that at one point there had been seven geese and ducks in the property at one time. This was on in August. I mean, you know, our job is to enforce regulations. These are our town regulations that we adopted for a reason, you know, so that when there's a problem with animal keeping, it can be addressed, especially with noise or odor, which in this case, I haven't heard of odor. But, um, you know, this permit was issued with variances, and we've had, you know, quite a bit of discussion about it now at this point. And I'm just pointing out that, um, I don't know that I see the, um, three geese being a solution that's going to work because we're going to get complaints from the abutter again, and we're going to be back here again. And in this meeting room, talking about it next month. How's it? Did the owner just mention the additional sound on it? Because when we spoke to him about the sound that had approved, was it after the fourth one had arrived, which we didn't expect? And he didn't mention an additional sound to us. He said the sound had approved. It's kind of so hard to work with him. I think one thing that might be, uh, you guys might be able to take into consideration is, um, most of the time that it pauses the neighbors during the summer when they're outside on the deck or join the yard with the cooler months coming up. Um, I don't think that there's really going to be a problem with that because of the lack of time that geese will be out and around the lack of time that the neighbors would be out of the house. Additionally, in regards to the longer, I think the winter time will help area right next to the property. Well, the deck, you know, when you come to the deck of the house, obviously they would be outside of the deck. Right now, the new location is ready to be. They've got, you know, these going to access to the deck of the library. It's the office assignment. They got, you know, several of the office. We're hoping that winter time will help us manage, get some extra time in the future for the 3-year-olds going on here at the bird. If we could hang on to the bird, so it's time to move. We're hoping that the colder winter months will help with the noise. It does. I mean, we don't. We don't. We're soundproofing it and putting out the interior, but then it's currently actually working on that. Good. It's about something that you want to get the permit for permanent. Maybe it could be something with a certain amount of time to find somewhere to take them to move. I mean, in such a small neighborhood, I feel like it's not really an appropriate place to have numbers of geese, you know? I mean, the permit says for less than one acre, six chickens, right? No other. Yeah. It's not like six fowl. It's six chickens. I thought it was six fowls. Nope. It's just this chicken. Well, it's what the permit says, you know, when it's improved. And when there's a change in the permit, it's supposed to come back, you know, to the board because of things like this. You know what I mean? Yeah. Especially when there's a problem, you know? And so, you know, it's just the noise is really the crux of this where you're in a small neighborhood. It's not a farm, you know, which would be probably fine. I'm sure no one would complain about geese on a farm or on a, you know, really large piece of land, which, you know, in Northern Wayland, I mean, you know, there are people with, you know, I'm sure things that can't be heard by anyone because they have larger lots in some of those parts of town. But as they've received this noise is the crux of the issue. You were already discussing with them, but they didn't notice the great improvement. And that was after the forefront had already arrived. But you've had months. You've known he hasn't liked it for months and months and months, right? That's why we're not talking about it. Well, I mean, but I mean, just, I would have loved for you to come tonight with a letter from the neighbors saying, the three geese are fine. They've quieted them down. I don't, they don't bother me anymore. I was hoping it was like, I thought he might be the last time. That's my concern. He couldn't make it tonight. He had to do something else that wasn't able to. We're unaware if, I don't know, we knew what that would be. We'll actually look to be there for a try and say, but we'll respond to the sound. What is accurate, right? And we say close to improvement. Is the concern in the future increased volume, that would have already been noticed? But the current, the current volume with two, the volume was too much. The third one was the way it sounds. I know that you don't know that. The current volume was two and another. Then maybe, maybe keep the third one and get rid of the second one. Or there's got to be a. No, it's because I hatched them. Yeah. I know. I know that. They don't, you don't have them. I understand they just form upon the owners that are. It's unbreakable. I. I. When. The. The. The problem was. A lot of it was. The placement. They were. They were. They were. Nowhere to escape. Well, you don't have them in the front yard either. That would be a. A good solution. Thank you. This is why I have the thing going out that. I had like that. And I had it going out a little bit more for them. You know, in the front yard. And actually that's what I. The first location is the sound. Did the. Good.
The first person spoke him and the fourth one had. Already died. He said no three. At the time. If there had been an increase in volume, It would have already been noticed. It is to my understanding that the letter that was brought to you was was about the concern of bringing the fourth one to the fold, about the risk of increased volume, however, the fourth one has always been in the fold when he spoke to him, and now, if there was going to be a notice in increased volume, it would have already been noticed, but it hasn't. It's been stated that it's been a path through, in terms of where they were before, they've been relocated to a place where the south is first in recognition, being able to run through on the fence line, which would be the most affected by the location, has already written a lot of approval, and with the new jet, which is bigger, swatting slated, the addition of a six-foot fence, which would be no gaps to close its stated proposition, that would further extremely reduce any possible information for this problem. It is my understanding that that is the main concern here, which, as before, the fourth one, was in full of the speed of the program, and the letter is not complaining about the current noise, the letter is complaining about the fourth one, which has already been there, so there's going to be an increase in volume. I can't support you, so someone has to, do you have any other questions, the board have any other questions? So, if somebody wants to make a motion? I make a motion to deny this permit for three geese and one duck. Do we have a second? I second. Okay. Let's do a roll call on this. Catherine Stumpf? I'll stand by. Does that mean a yes? Yes. Oh, yeah. Yes. John Stoyer? Yes. Genevina? Dr. Genevina? Yes. Yes. I also approve. So, is the board defaulting back to the original permit? I think that's correct. With the number of geese being one and, at that time, one goose and two ducks? Yeah. If they want. I mean, that's not being applied for at this time. They're not just, you know, wondering. The neighbors don't have a problem. Right. Right. That was the right. I think they were about funding. I think they were about funding. Yes. That was pretty good with that ball. Okay. I'm standing just standing with that. I mean, two nuts and one of these is the target. You guys are working for approval. We're not. We were approving. We were voting on what was before us, which was three geese and one duck. Sure. And so, I was just trying to, you know, find out. What about the possibility of finding a good money? We're expecting the fourth one to arrive. We're going to be able to find a home for the fourth one. Fourth bird, that is. Right. Fourth bird. Proposition for two geese and one duck. Is there any word on the possibility of that as an option? I think the neighbor doesn't want the two geese talk to each other, don't they? That's what everything I read about. Occasionally. But it's not all day every day. It's occasional. That was what the original permit was. And so that was. The competitive permit was because we're expecting the fourth one to arrive. It did. So we need to work around that. However, with the current changes in the house, where the rain situation was, when he complained, and the way the situation is, we respond to him, was the two geese and one duck. That's what we did about provisions for. Sound proofing. The fencing. The relocation. He stated that he knows the proof of the sound. The neighbor next to us will find it. And the new plan would further bring disperse. So if you're going to find a new home report and what we're expecting in the future. I think. I think, you know, there could be some discussion regarding some time that, you know, can be provided to comply with this permit. But I mean, I don't know what the plan will be. Right. So, you know, will they apply for a permit to have one goose and two ducks? I don't know. I can't determine that. But, you know, to comply with what the denied permit is. That's another question mark. So. Well, the original application for one duck, it's more of the colonialism. That's the current. But what was and still is the current situation. For the most part. We're expecting the important part right now. Why wouldn't it happen? Sadly. But we applied. And the current, hopefully, distribution was for two goose and one duck. The reason we're not reapplying for two ducks and one goose right now is because we weren't expecting that we got it. The goose ended up being one. If we were to apply for two goose and two ducks and one goose. That would involve getting rid of a bird, and then getting a new bird, which is, we would basically get a point doing that. The whole point of applying for two these one ducks and that was what we had. And that's hopefully what we can default back to because it would simply be a matter of finding a home for the one that was brought back to us. With the noise, with the plane, it's because of also where they were, of soundproofing. The sound could only escape this property line because it's the diagram that was right next to it where they lived. Now they have moved to a location on the other side of the property. The sound escapes from the original house and the addition of the fence. The sound will further be produced and there is the occasional home. The neighbor of the beautiful suspected has already approved in the plan. So that's my main question here. Is the original application for two weeks and one duck and a grace period finding home for the four birds that showed up? I'm confused. I mean, you know, we became aware that there were three geese on the property. We thought that was important to make sure we had the correct number that we were looking at. And so that's what was before the board this evening and the board. I mean, as you are saying basically, there is no compromise. Oh, no. Wait a second. There is no compromise. That's what the neighbor wants. That's what the neighbor is going to get. Either two ducks and one goose or nothing at all. So that's basically what it means. What we're saying is, am I right? Well, it was already a compromise to get a goose there. The regs say you can have chickens, you can have some chickens. I understand that. So one goose is already a variance. And that's why we have these renewal periods of time so that when there are complaints from abutters, they have the opportunity to speak up and that when there's a renewal, which that's what this started out as. Renewals start in June before we automatically renew a permit. If we hear from someone and there's a complaint and and we investigate every animal complaint that we receive. And believe it or not, we get tons of. We had two new rooster complaints and people have to get rid of their roosters. Roosters aren't even allowed anymore because it's a complete nuisance. I mean, imagine waking up at four o'clock in the morning. And here on a coffee table, too. I haven't said that for a question. But these guys don't come out until 9 o'clock, 9.30. It's still a nuisance to the neighbor. Do you have an acre? More than an acre? No. You don't? Okay. I don't live there. No, no. But you live in town, though. Do you have more than an acre? No. Oh, okay. I don't have any roosters or any... No, no. But you could take, if you had more than an acre, you could have two geese. I could have two geese if I have more than an acre. Yeah. I mean, maybe there's a farm in town that, you know, could consider... I don't want to put words in anyone's mouths, but there are places in town that have large swaths of land that could consider a couple of geese as not a big deal, where there's no neighbors and there's fields and streams and many things like that. Yeah. You know, doing housing rent of those lots probably requires a few million dollars, which they are not readily accessible to us. I'm not saying... I'm just saying, you know, it may be okay with taking on a couple of geese right here in town. I don't know. I don't know if anybody that does music, I don't know. As things stand, everything's been communicated through third party with the environment. The final part of the year today, obviously I was able to make it over, we would like the opportunity to actually speak with him about the current change a bit more, and show him the birds in the back to get everyone to be clear about what the situation is, and be clear about what the current sound level is for the birds. Right now, everything's through their party. We'd like to actually have a chance to speak with him? I mean, the board has voted, and so... Yeah, you can go speak to him, but right now that's... For the three geese. I'm talking about the two birds and one duck. You vote on the three geese. Correct. So... If there was a different application that the board could consider... So just... Would it be possible to speak with him about what the... It was, what he could claim, how he changed it, about the two geese and one duck, and if he had stated that... He's known it's a great improvement with, you know, re-location, he can reapply for the two geese and one duck, if he agrees with... He would have to reapply. Where they are currently. Yeah. And that's what... If you're going to speak to him, and you speak to him, and then you reapply. That's how he should do it. Yeah. Got it. That's what we originally did with the two geese and one duck. We weren't expecting it for it, but... So... Well, I understand. We understand that. I'm just saying... It wasn't approved. Go back, speak to the abutter. Re-apply of what you think you want to do. That's what I'm saying. We can do that. Mm-hmm. Yes. Okay. So, I think you should... You can. Yes. I was just... Yeah. So, anyway. All right. Okay. We'll see what happens. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. If you could make sure you signed our guest sheet. Thank you very much. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good night. Thank you. You too. Can we get a motion to close the hearing, please? I make a motion. Close the hearing. We have a second. Okay. Dr. Genevieve, you know? Yes. John Stoyer? Yes. Katie Stook? Yes. And Dr. Babdi Francesco? Yes. The hearing is closed. Thank you. So, our next topic is to follow up on draft revised local tobacco control regulations and discuss next steps. Okay. I wasn't sure if... I couldn't remember who was here and who wasn't here last time. And I wanted to remind you that you could watch the hearing. Well, it wasn't a hearing. It was just a discussion on Wacom. It's all recorded. And, you know, maybe when you have a few minutes you could watch and listen. I think John left the meeting to go somewhere during the tobacco control discussion. So, you know, I wanted to find out if the board was interested in moving forward and potentially that would involve setting up a hearing, an official hearing where it's advertised and you're going to have a bunch of people in here from tobacco companies and retailers to basically, you know, hash out the changes that we're considering. We would have our tobacco control manager here again and probably some other folks that would be here to support any questions that come up. And so, I was just wondering if the board had thought about it and has any feelings one way or another as to moving forward. Well, when you say moving forward, what's that? So, the moving forward would be, because it is a bit of work. Right. So, we have to do an article, not an article, I'm sorry, an ad in the paper. It's a legal ad. Right. We would have a specific date that we carefully select so that we make sure everyone can make it. And then, you know, the hearing will be to review and talk about the draft regs that we have. Right. And they'd be, you know, torn apart by everyone who joins us. Right. But that, you know, those are folks that are generally not supporting the idea of having stricter regs. So, that would be what would happen. And then, you know, we would take back that information and talk about it at another meeting. Yep. And then decide if we want to make any changes to the draft based on feedback from the hearing. So, it's a process. Or what? Or not make changes. Oh, okay. We could just leave it the way it is. Oh, I see. And then, you know, so that's what the hearing is for. So, you can hear feedback and, you know, comments from the public or from businesses or, you know, retailers, lack of control companies, different, you know, people will chime in. This would be related to language around nicotine pouches. Yes. As well. Yep. All that. And any of the language that's in the draft, they could potentially, you know, disassemble it. And, you know, oh, we'll say this instead of that. We can hear all those comments. Do we have, you know, and fairly, it should be that you have the hearing and then you close the hearing. And then you have another meeting to talk about all the stuff or you can do it that same day. And then, you know, make a decision to vote on the regulation at a further date if you choose to do so. So. You guys want to, might be, might be worse hearing. What do you think? In general, nicotine pouches, they're not great for your mouth. Well, yeah. Well, there's pros and cons of it all. Yes. I think the long-term effects are still not clear, right? Yeah. Because so many people are starting to use these pouches and you're seeing some, you know, impacts on people's gums and teeth and stuff from that, from a dentist perspective, I think is what I remember you saying. That's correct. So, but yet, you know, down the road, do we know what will happen? For the long term. Right. It's hard to know, you know, especially with other things like, for example, Ozempic. Are you going to go blind? You know, I mean. I saw that article. I haven't read the article, but I saw it on the news this morning and I was like, Oh my God, that's pretty scary. I saw a man who, you know, is completely blind now that was taking Ozempic. And, you know, that's not a comparison, but you know, when you're starting the new products and people, I mean, there's a lot of people using those nicotine pouches. Does it cost? I have no idea. But is it better than smoking? That's what you have to look at. That's a good point. Yeah. I don't know. People are going to do stuff. Yeah. You're going to find something. Yeah. Right. Well, yeah, that's true. So. Having mom. What's up? Sorry. Oh, I said they're also flavored and, and like they have this menthol type of thing. So it's attracted to kids. I think that's another big piece of it. That's correct. Yeah. I guess the big question is, do we want to hear the companies? Well, we would, if we want to consider adopting a regulation, that is what we've been looking at. We really have to hear. To do it without one would be. Yeah. You can't really, you'd be torn apart. Well, what about all the towns around? I know that was mentioned. What is there? I can get more information on what those numbers are and what people are doing. Because I know it was mentioned at the meeting. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. Some towns that were for it. Yeah. A limited number. What was that? A limited number. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it would be good to get that and then make a decision. Sure. I can get that for you. I can get that info a little bit. Yeah. So, Julia, are you the dog officer also? Thankfully, no. I am not. We have an animal control officer who is a dog officer and handles licensing and, well, she doesn't handle the licensing. She handles complaints for dogs that are licensed and if they're not, then, you know, it turns into an investigation. So, yes, we haven't really used that person to look into things like that. I can start. I was thinking about reaching out to this person and getting some feedback because she does what we call the barn inspections. Right. And that includes all the permits that we have for animals in town. And so every year she goes around and does inspections at each property. And so that would be something that- I would think it shouldn't be on your plate. It's not. I mean, it's a separate person that handles that that is a contracted person with the town. I don't think this foul stuff should be on your plate either. So it's- I can tell you how much time- I mean, between Patty and myself, we've gotten more calls about roosters. It's ridiculous. That should be going to the, the animal. I don't know. That delegation. I mean, sometimes it's an easy fix. You know, we tell them, listen, you got to get rid of the rooster. And most people get it. You know what I mean? Like they are like, oh, I didn't know that we'll take care of it. And they do. And so, and we would know, because guess what? The person who's living next door keeps calling us until the rooster's gone. And so I don't know where the, you know, and I think it is true that people get chicks and sometimes you don't know that they're male or female. And so then you end up with a rooster. Now, do I believe that, you know, the person we just heard, I think has, you know, they, they want to have geese. I think, you know, they are attached as pets and, you know, you can't just keep adding more geese when you know that there's a problem with noise. And so that part is different when you have, we have one person that cause I did all the animal keeping renewals because we have a new person and she's still learning the job. She's actually had some time off. So she's not here right now, but we're very pleased to have hired Michelle Boralessa. She's our new permitting assistant. And so I think she's going to be a fantastic addition to help us get things straightened out and square away. But with, with some of our renewals, the, you know, some of these people that apply for renewals added animals, you know, and they, they're not supposed to do that. It says right on the permit, check here. If you know, there's no change and people are checking there. And I can see clearly, I look at last year. I look at this year. Doesn't take a genius to figure out the numbers don't match. So we actually have one other person who, but she lives in North Wayland. She has a huge property. Do we really care how many, you know, like, so there's just different scenarios that, you know, the board can consider. What's that? No, that if we had that person checking the barns and seeing that there's fall there or whatever, in a report that would have been like helpful today. That, that information is confidential for whatever reason, barn inspections are not for public viewing. And so when she does that report, I provide the addresses to her. And she provides, yes, this is what they have, you know, but she, like, I can, for whatever reason, it's a confidential process. So, but through our renewal process, I can see what we know we have and what people are applying for. And there's a process in the permitting, in the re-permitting where you're checking last year and checking this year. And if it doesn't match, then you got, you got to figure out what to do. So I'm hoping that Michelle will be able to take that on because it's not that difficult, but it can be time-consuming. You know what I mean? Like, hey, have that person check the fall in each. Yeah, right. Get that out of your plate or whatever. You know what I mean? Yes. Delegate that to the animal. It's hard to believe how much time it takes. It's really ridiculous. Yeah. That person can do, in addition to everything else, she's still in the barn, she can do in the fall. Right. That way, like I said, if we had more information tonight, from that report, we can say, hey, you know. Right. So I don't think she was there inspecting the place last year because they didn't have a permit. Right. For some reason, whatever happened, and so I mean, it could have been our error. Yeah. I didn't see it in the minutes, but I swear she said that they were moving last year. She did. She did. Okay. And then she said it again this year. And so, you know, I think that they'd like to move to a different, and maybe they're having trouble because that's, you know, they did talk about that. And ideally, if she had, you know, a property that didn't have cloves of butters, she probably would be fine. You know what I mean? And maybe on a farm. Maybe there's a farm in town that, you know, wouldn't mind helping her out, but I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, you know. Well, the sound is music to some people. Right. And it's like a loud Harley Davidson. Some people like that. Yeah. Some people don't. Right. And it all boils down to where it is and where your neighbors are because it's, you know. Or the smell of diesel fuel. Or log noises from the road. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of exhaust fumes. Well, that's the actual oil, not exhaust. Yeah. So let's. All right. So I will get information on the tobacco questions that you had about what other towns are doing. Is it similar? Or are we sort of out on our own? Right. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I can get that and share. All the kids will just go to train again. All right. The one thing to keep in mind, though, so, you know, if we care back on what we're doing, that's fine. But it would be nice to have, you know, a process where we're continually reducing the number of tobacco permits because that we have a lot of tobacco permits in town compared to like Sudbury Western. I mean, so that's something that probably would work well to try and get the number down, you know, and I mean, yes, the people are going to go somewhere else. I mean, there's no question about it, but it's still I think it would be a better, you know, better fit for this town to have liquor licenses and bars, too. They're actually adding liquor license. They are. Okay. Yes. Yeah. So, okay. So I'm going to move to the next thing, unless you had any other questions. Nope. That'd be good. Okay. So 252 Rice Road, aka 69 Old Connecticut Path, request for more time to complete repairs. We had sent them a legal order per the Housing Code for violation. And I think, did I share the letter with you all or no? I read something. I'm going to send them a... I'd love to see it. Yeah. It's pretty official from the attorney. And I believe, I thought I had shared it. So Dr. Renan, do you probably have a copy of it? Yes. Yes, I do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so since that time, there's been, let me just double check. I thought I saw an email from him. Good afternoon or good evening. I could fill you in on, I did send you an email with additional information since the last time we spoke. I could fill you in if you'd like. That would be great. Thanks, Anthony. I didn't realize you were there, but thank you. Well, thank you for letting me zoom in. Sure. And I definitely don't want a geese. I don't want a duck. So it was great to listen to that. And I think one of the other things, just listening as a fly on the wall, concerns about tobacco. I think one concern that, I'm not a resident, but a concern that I have is the vaping with the kids. Because that stuff, you can drive behind somebody and smell it. It smells like Froot Loops, but it has more nicotine than any other thing. But my two cents on that issue. With regard to 69 Old Connecticut Path, my name's Anthony Coletti. I represent the owner of the property. All I do is landlord-tenant law. I've done, I've been in this situation many times. So this isn't kind of new to me. To give you a background, I was contacted in early August by my client saying that they needed to get in the property. They needed to do inspection. They were having issues with access. I stepped in. I sent a letter demanding access. We arranged access through the month of August, late August, early September. We got the property tested. It came back that we did need to remediate for lead. Throughout this month, we have been working to just finalize things. So currently, we have the occupant scheduled to move on October 1st, 2026. He'll be relocating. We had a reservation for him in Waltham. He did not like it. He responded, said he wanted an Airbnb in Wayland. We responded this evening, and this is part of what I sent to you, was we have a hotel confirmed at Superior Drive in Natick, which is only five miles away from the property. We have, I provided you, I believe I attached it. It was confirmation of a road from October 1st to October 25th. So the hope is, and I also contacted the occupant this evening to let him know, hey, October 1st, we have your room ready. October 2nd, we have movers confirmed to come to the property and remove everything from the property. I believe I attached that confirmation for you as well. So October 2nd, house is emptied. October 5th, work starts. We have a contract with Hammond D. Letting and Construction to perform the lead remediation. So, we are locked and loaded and ready to go. The only issue, I know I alluded to, access was an issue at a moment. I think I resolved that. We identified a hotel. The occupant didn't like that. We found a closer hotel. I don't know if he's going to like this one, but there are contracts in place. So my expectation is if he doesn't like this hotel, I'll be going to the housing court to get an injunction to perform the remediation work in compliance with the contracts we have. So I'm just asking the board's indulgence for a little more time. I mean, frankly, by October 5th, we'll either be in the process of remediating or I'll be, I'll be in the housing court. Basically, you know, pushing, pushing an order to take possession of the property temporarily to perform the remediation. But this is something we are taking seriously. And this is something that we are getting ready to accomplish. Yes. I got fine with more time. Sure. Need a motion. I make a motion to provide an additional 30 days. What do we need? Does that equal up to what he said, the length of time? How much time, the additional time do you think you need, Anthony? If everything goes by our reservations and commitments and contracts, we should have them back in the property by October 25th of 2026. But if you want me here before that to report to the board what's going on, whatever you need from me, I'll provide written updates, whatever I can do, whatever you want. I'm here to help. You want to the end of our, so to the, when's our November meeting? Our November meeting or October? Our October meeting won't be. It'll be before that. Before that. Oh, okay. So November meeting, let me just see. Or would you rather just a date? Just a date is probably November 1st. Yeah. Yeah. How about that? That's okay, yeah. Does that work for you, Joe? Anthony, rather? Anthony? Yes, sir. Absolutely. And I'd be more than happy to provide you with an update sooner, just to give you, keep you informed about how work is progressing as well. I'd be more than happy to reach out to Ms. Jungins. I have her email address. I make a motion to extend the deadline to November 1st. Second. Second. Okay. Let's do a roll call. Dr. Genevina? Yes. Catherine Stipp? Yes. That's Bobby Francesco. That's approved. All set. Thanks, Anthony. Thanks, Anthony. Thank you. Thank you all. Have a good evening. Good. All right. Daniel, get a little extra feedback on babes and nicotine. Yes. That's good feedback. I have what I put together as draft goals. I don't know if anyone on the board has had a chance to think about that. We are still working on the annual report. We are still working on the annual report. And when I say that, I mean, we all are. That includes myself, Maura, Patty. You know, we've got to pull the data out of OpenGov and some of it's in UNIS and, you know, some of it's in Maven, which is, you know, the system that Maura uses to get, you know, the communicable diseases out of. So, and we just received our report from HRS. They'll be joining us at our next board meeting to provide in-person update and answer any questions that the board may have, as they have done, I think, in the past recent years. And so, you know, I looked at the report and thought, you know, these were some of these things were in there from last year. I've made some, you know, updates. One of them was the regulations revisions. We can certainly modify that to whatever the board would like. Some of these things are department, you know, things that we're working on, you know, working on some of our handouts and guidance documents, which is sort of an ongoing process. The viewpoint OpenGov work is significant. We've been working on that. I don't know. I mean, all of Patty, Darren, and I have all carved out significant amount of time to continually work on getting the rest of our permits into OpenGov. We have them in draft format and some of the permits that I was working on and Patty, when we did the renewals, because Jenna left, we realized that there's things we could improve, you know, and that won't be a huge lift because they're already existing. So we're looking at modifying some of those permits to be simpler so that there's less back and forth with renewals and maybe fewer questions on some of the applications. There was a little, you know, overkill and some of that stuff. I find that dealing with some towns is I'll even have an engineering firm that will file a permit in a town and they won't put the exact right filing number or something. And they won't even process it until it gets in the right box, so to speak. Right. And if you'd actually gone and seen the human, they would have said, Oh, no, this is what, this is what you need. Here you go. So for me, what I, it hasn't been wonderful, the towns that are. And I can appreciate that because I see, you know, when you're actually doing the work, which, you know, I'm not usually doing the renewals, but since I did them, I could see where things could definitely be improved and, you know, made easier for both our staff and residents. So there's less back and forth and, you know, simpler applications that might not need as many questions, but some of them do, you know, and so we're working on, we have a draft format for septic permits and building approvals. And so those are pretty, you know, intensive. So Darren's been working a lot on those, but he's on vacation right now. So we'll let him go, you know, have some fun and then come back. He's in Europe, right? Refreshed. Yes. Good. Thanks. So, you know, anyway, that has been, I wanted to make sure that was on here because that it does take a lot of time. And, you know, you can be in the middle of doing all these other things and then, oh, I think I'll do OpenGov. That's not how it works. You know, you have to like sit down for a few hours and really invest, you know, some time because, I mean, I'm no expert. So I have to sort of, you know, still learn how to do some of the work on OpenGov. And luckily we have Tom Zuba, who's the building inspector, who is really good with OpenGov. He's very savvy with it. So he's helping us out on some of that stuff. So anyway, after my long spiel that I wanted to make sure was on there, you know, we're still involved with this regional public health excellence grants, although I don't know what's going to happen after June 30th of 26th. There's no funding that is planned to continue the grant. I don't know. What did you say? June. I'm sorry. June 30th of 27th. Okay. It's all gone. So the contact tracing grant has concluded and our staff has, you know, moved on Katie, Brandon and Kimberly, you know, that we've worked with for several years. So that grant is over and this grant is still around, but we're not sure what's going to happen. So, you know, we're just continuing to collaborate and once there's new information on what happens next, we'll certainly share the board. You know, they're currently exploring what we could, you know, continue to do to share services. And, you know, we're happy to like look at other ways that we can streamline things regionally within our seven towns that we've been working with. So we're currently working on having some meetings to discuss some of that stuff. So when I have more information, I'll share that. But, you know, we do still plan on maybe the wording could be different, you know, to continue collaborating, you know, working on. So it might not be called the regional public health excellence grant. It may not be a grant at all. You know, I don't know what it will be. So continue to highlight awareness of services provided with equity and inclusion, including vulnerable populations. Continue to advance the public health nurse and CHM program focus to adjust with priorities. Staff training in areas that are recommended by the state. And significantly staff training for our new permitting assistant, and that includes cross training with Patty's role, because we really need a succession plan, you know, for her role. And, you know, she's been working here a long time and I don't know her exact plans, but I know that there is something on the not too far horizon where she's hoping to retire. And so hopefully that, you know, new person will be able to, you know, learn some of that job so that we have at least some of a succession plan. We'll see where that art goes, but, and then the public health, all hazards, emergency response framework. We spent a lot of time with the state on that, and there are certain goals and things that they have held us to, to work on, you know, regarding emergency preparedness. And so, you know, there's actually a meeting this week that I'm not able to go to because Darren's away and they can't really leave the office for an entire day. But Maura will be going to that meeting that will also be talking about the all hazards response framework. And so I'm sure she'll have some updates from when she gets back. So I wasn't sure if there were any other ideas or goals that the board wanted to add or discuss for this next fiscal year. And we still have time. This is due on September 30th. So I have to submit it on or before September 30th. And the rest of the information in our annual report is all data. And, you know, if you want to stop in to take a gander at it, I'm happy to show it to you. I just, and I'll send you a copy of what we end up with, with the draft. But it has to be submitted before our next meeting, so I won't have it. I probably won't be adding anything to this list. Okay. Are you counting? Pretty good. Pretty good. Okay. And, you know, really the annual report is a good show of our data. And they're always telling us, oh, it's too long. And I'm like, well, it shows all the work that we've done. It's sort of a compilation of, you know, everything that we've been working on in the past year. So I really try to beef it up. And every year they're like, it's too long. It's too long. And we refuse to make it shorter, you know, so hopefully we can keep some of that information in there. Not have to lose pages, but. Okay. So. Almost done. Updates. Oh, yeah. Updates and review. Yeah, I just wanted to. Um. Yeah, I just wanted to. Um. You mentioned Camp Chickamy, which, you know, had a really unspeakable tragedy there involving a tree and, um, horrible accident. And, um, there's a lot of talk about trees and sprouts and how trees are being impacted and tree safety and, you know, um, it's a very difficult time for a lot of people, you know, that work in the town, the, you know, family, our hearts go out to them and the staff and the fresh responders. Um, so I just wanted to mention that. Um, I already. I have a question about that. We had a tree recently come down in our neighborhood. And maybe this isn't our, but public health wise and water bans. And if you're not allowed to water trees, like you're not allowed to water trees and. I mean, yeah, I don't know about. I don't know about, um, the water ban. That's, you know, another whole thing that involves UPW. Yeah. You know? So, um, your tree fell because it was of the drug. I think it wasn't my tree. It was a neighbor's tree, like right across the street. And it fell down. Like all my kids lost up, but not when they were there, but it was like, wait for the bus. I'm just like. The whole tree fell down. Most of it. Wow. Yeah. And it was, um, just like, and it happened when like my husband and I were going separately to the same place for dinner. And it happened after I left and before he left. Well, so like. Wow. Yeah. That's scary. Yeah. So I just wonder, I mean, we're not allowed to water yards when the trees have get stressed and dropping. Yeah. I mean, there's extreme weather, you know, heavy rain that is, you know, more than usual. Um, you know, lightning. I mean, there's a lot of things that impact trees and I'm not an arborist, but you know, it's certainly something that is on everyone's radar right now that, you know, is, it's very difficult. Yeah. Like take trees down on your property. And, and sometimes difficult because the town doesn't like trees coming down. Well, they have been doing extra. Looks at trees, especially on, you know, um. Ground playgrounds. Now that there's a concern for tree health for sure, you know, at school areas and you know, they've been doing extra tree trimming, I think, you know, in, I don't know. If they've hit all the schools yet, but I know that they had started doing that. It's really hard to tell because a lot of these white pines, the outside layer where all the nutrients go up and down is, is perfectly fine, but they're rotten in the middle. And you just, you just can't tell. Right. And this oak tree is the same way. The cambium layer is, is perfectly fine. It looks good. But once it comes down, there's just a little bit there and it's all rotten in the middle. It's really hard to predict. It's an act of nature. Really. But that is something that I know they have been doing, you know, taking extra looks at, you know, some of the areas that, you know, in town on, you know, playgrounds and around school areas and things like that. So Julia, do they have like an arborist or somebody like we used to have somebody from Emerald Acres come over who understands the trees because my neighbor is very good. And he was telling me also about like, you can't, if you have a cluster of trees and you take a few down, their roots support each other. So you, there's, there's more than just like taking a tree down. You got to understand the community of trees too. And, and like also the pines, he said to me, don't, don't take down these lower branches of the pines. They'll come down on their own because they help to balance the tree. So you just like my, my other neighbor, they just, somebody came, they hired a tree person, but they just indiscriminately like cut all the lower branches down. So you end up with a very top heavy tree then. So like whoever's trimming needs to know what they're doing too. It's very tricky. Yeah. So that is a good point. There is a lot to it. And I know that they do have people that are providing feedback on how to trim these trees. I don't know what they're, we do have a tree warden, I believe. That's the title. I don't know the person's name, but I would imagine that person would be involved with any significant free work. And we have a superintendent that's also involved, you know, with making, I think, calls on, you know, branches and things like that, that are, that could be of a concern. But there is, there was a really good article recently. I saw, I think it was in patch that had mentioned a lot of the things that you mentioned just now. And I'm talking about, you know, groups of trees and how to trim trees. And, you know, there's a lot of information that an arborist would probably know more about. So, um, we welcomed our new permitting assistant, Michelle Boralessa, although she's not here right now, but we look forward to her coming back from her trip that she had already planned. Um, the, uh, mosquito control update is, um, we do keep hearing about, you know, someone tested positive in your area, meaning not specifically Wayland, but, you know, in a general area where we're currently at a moderate risk for West Nile. Um, however, because of how cool the nights have been, it really does have a significant impact on mosquitoes and how they're flying around. We always say that, you know, they start flying very slowly, you know, once the temperature starts going down and that definitely reduces the number of mosquitoes that are around at night. So, um, we'll definitely keep an eye on, um, on that, but there was a report that came out today. Yes. So this was today, um, you know, basically West Nile and, um, Triple E summary, which, um, I'll go back a little bit here. Brian's Barless from, uh, our mosquito control company that does our, um, catch basins and they do larva siding and they provide, you know, um, professional help when we need it for any situations that come up. Um, you know, he was talking about Triple E because really Triple E has not been an issue this year and that's because of the drought. Um, you know, however, you know, it's, it's hard to predict what will happen next year. And they're saying, you know, if they, if we stay in this rain cycle, and this was in August and get further out of drought, the Kulacetamela populations could be elevated next year. And those are the mosquitoes that carry, can carry the Triple E, um, and spread, you know, to birds and, and potentially to people. Um, so, you know, he did talk a little bit about Triple E, but, you know, in Wayland, luckily we don't have any cedar swamps. Um, so, you know, usually we're worried about, um, other types of mosquitoes. And, um, those are also, um, like container breeding. That's why we worry about West Nile, you know, cause those types of mosquitoes are usually breeding containers. So we have the heavy rains. It's important to empty out any containers you might have in your yard. Um, they did mention that the, I'm going to butcher this name, but Cochalocidia perturbans. I usually just call them perturbans. Those mosquitoes have very low numbers this year. And, um, they may come back next year if the wetlands get filled back up. So, you know, it really depends on how things go. I think probably for the remainder of this year. And if we have more rain, we're supposed to have a nor'easter this weekend, you know, so that could fill everything up again. Um, and then, you know, they give us an update, um, in the winter, you know, of like a, you know, a, um, snapshot of what happened during the prior year. Um, so far they have, um, let's see, 7,943, um, mosquitoes have been sampled and tested for, um, let's see, both Tripoli and West Nile. Um, let me see, number of mosquitoes. Yep. Number of West Nile, 327. Number of triple E positives, 21. Number of mammal species tested for a triple E, six. Number of human specimens tested, 202. Number of human West Nile cases, 11 as of today. And they've got other diseases that are reported. We've got in Middlesex County, chikungunya, three cases and dengue fever, five cases, which is interesting. Yeah. So, you know, are those people traveling from somewhere else coming here? Um, I don't know, but I am, I'm usually asking them Brian. I'm like, Brian, where did these people get that disease? You know, because it's, it's information that's interesting to know. I mean, obviously, um, you know, we would not expect. We've got a lot of cases in Florida, dengue. Right. So people go to Florida, then they come back up here. Um, we don't want to have dengue fever up here. Right. As far as the types of mosquitoes that could carry it. So that's why, um, it's important to know, you know, how they, you know, were they traveling and things like that. Um, any questions about the mosquitoes? Um, we had another successful beach season. Um, we tested for algae and E. coli and we had no problems. And the beach was open all season. So that was great. Um, we have another interesting complaint. That, um, is regarding noise on route, route 20 and the complainant is, um, asking the board to call it a public health nuisance. Okay. And that is, here it is. Okay. I believe I had shared this with you. I've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. So. Is it, it says, is there one complainant or more than one? Yes, there's one person. Because it's plural in your thing. Oh, I'm sorry. And I just wanted to make sure that it's only one person. And so. And it's moving, right? Yes. Yes. I noticed it was on a field box. Okay. Yeah. So he actually lives or lived, um, I believe at Ulta Oxbow. Oh. So it's on route 20. Mm-hmm. And what I'm sharing with you is the complaint and then a copy of what information I received from DEP. Okay. Um, and so, you know, we can talk a little bit about the complaint, which, um, you know, concerns, um, route 20. And, um, he had reached out previously and didn't get a response right away. Although he was asking for, um, information on what we can help department collect regarding these types of complaints. We don't receive complaints about noise on the road. No, that's typically the police department. And so, um, that was what my response was to that request. Um, but they're asking for an investigation into, um, how we have measured, investigated, determined, enforced, or declined these conditions. And, you know, he's talking about noise, loud acceleration, revving, vehicles equipped with loud or unlawfully modified headers or exhausts, um, mufflers, motorcycles that have been modified, trucks, braking noises, braking noises, braking noises, roadway interaction, tire configurations that are affecting homes, residents, and the surrounding community. That's a straight section of road right there that I'm sure Harley's and other cars accelerate up the hill. So, I'm sure that's very true. Well, there's other, um, vehicles sales right in Sudbury that are right next to me. All these are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I wonder, because I think you also sent us a copy of the initial complaint that was, like, and I read it. And I just wonder if this, with all the details that are being fostered instead of an AI generated. I'm sorry. Oh, oh. There was just a big difference in the language and, like, how things were aligned. That's good. Anything's possible. Yeah. Yeah. So, that is very, um, possible. Um, I have shared this with the police chief. And so, he's aware, um, of this. Although, this request is to the Board of Health. Um, regarding, you know, that we should be doing decibel testing, acoustic studies, and measurement standards. And, um, you know, that this is disturbing people's sleep and well-being and, you know, that they want us to do an investigation and corrective action. Um. Sticks. Sticks. And so, I did reach out to DEP and they shared some information regarding, um, a situation that occurred in Westboro and, um, what they did there, you know, regarding responding. And, um, but that was police and not Board of Health response. Right. Although, that's, you know, when you talk about the noise, that's through the noise regulations that are under DEP. So, you know, they were talking about how to respond to that because, um, it is a, a state regulation through Mass DEP. And, um, so, I'm just looking for the noise section. And, um, is it a state road? It is. Yes. Route 20 is a state road. Um, so, one of the comments that was made by, uh, Juan is our, um, rep in our region, um, who is very responsive when I reach out to him in case there's any questions. Um, he said, if noise testing were performed, there is no standard or criteria to assess against because there are many variables that would impact the measurement and some may not be attributed to a vehicle such as pavement condition. So, you know, and then it gets into talking about police departments have the authority to issue tickets for unnecessary vehicle noise. Um, and there's a process, you know, which sometimes DEP does get called with repeat offenders. Um, you know, but there is a process for ticketing, um, cars that have excessive loud mufflers. Um, DEP can ask the RMV to red flag a vehicle, a vehicle, a particular vehicle. So, in this state, it's actually illegal to modify a vehicle's exhaust system. So, you know, I don't know what the board thinks about this, but, um, you know, he's asking that it'd be, that it'd be considered public health nuisance. Um, and that's obviously something that the board would have to decide on. But, I mean, I feel like this is outside of our role in the health department. I mean, obviously we do come across public health nuisances, but I think road nose and, I'm sorry, road noise and vehicle, um, you know, as described in this complaint is really not our umbrella. Right. But that's something that I wanted to ask the board. Um, that's what he was asking that the board, you know, call it a nuisance. And then if it's a nuisance, then, you know, but yet, I don't know how we would, you know, standard. Do the, right, there's no standard for that. So, um, because it's not a constant noise. If there's something that is, you know, like, um, a business that is, you know, in place that doesn't move. That was a loud fan going. Right. Exactly. Then that's a lot. Um, I think more, I think that the measurement meters that they use to do these, um, noise readings would work better in a situation where something is, you know, a standalone. Um, you know, like a business or something that has some kind of chronic noise that's disturbing some. So I guess at this point, um, you know, does the board feel like this complaint is a public health nuisance is the question at hand. And if so, we can discuss it further and another meeting, but, um, you know, how many noise complaints for vehicles? Do you get a year? We don't, we don't receive vehicle complaints. That's the worst. Are we voting? Well, it's not on the agenda as a vote. I think we were just talking about it because, um, you know, I wanted to make sure we discussed it. And, um, get a feel for what the board thinks. Um, you know, I have talked with the police chief a couple of times and, you know, there are things that can be done through the police department that, you know, involve, um, patrol, you know, of certain areas. And, um, I'm sure it's not easy to identify, you know, if there's a, but if there's someone driving through town all the time that might have a, um, You know, a souped up motor or a modified muffler or something that, um, could be flagged. I mean, that's possible, but, um, I mean, that road is straight away. So I'm sure people are pedal to the metal as soon as they get on that stretch of road. But if the police are aware, they can, they're happy to pull somebody over and give them a ticket for a lot of exhaust. Yeah. How we've mentioned it to the PD and some of the bodies, they'll keep, they're going to patrol. We're going to keep an eye on things right now. I don't think we have to do anything. Do we have to vote on it? I don't think so. I mean, um, you know, it's not on here as an item to vote on. Um, it was a discussion because I wanted to make sure that we normally discussed it and, you know, could hear the board's thoughts and, you know, any concerns you might have. I mean, I can understand the problem, you know, but I grew up on a main road in Franklin on King street and that road is still the same. It's worse now than it's ever been. I mean, you got everything going down that street every once in a while. My mother was like, Oh my God, what was that? You know, it'll be motorcycle, just, you know, letting it out. And I get it. It's no fun. You know, I mean, um, it's hard to sleep. I'm sure there's people driving by in the middle of the night, you know, pedal to the metal, but, um, anyway. How would you, we couldn't enforce that anyway, other than like what Bob said, which is the cops just being there patrolling and catching people. Right. You couldn't enforce it anyway, even if we said it's a nuisance, what, what's like, what's going to follow from that. They would want us to do now, uh, noise readings and measurements and, you know, have like a log of, of information that we collect from our surveillance of this roadway. And then what? I don't know. I mean, that's a good question. So. Something about it, but it's, it's a public. Yeah. So we return back to the fact that the police would have to, that's the only way to, to, to catch it. Right. That case from Alvaro is very interesting that they said, I was just looking up the definition. So a public health news nuisance is defined as whatever is injurious to health indecent or unreasonably offensive to the senses. So, I mean, noise is, does fit in that bucket, you know, um, but you can't do anything about it. So I don't, I mean, there's no point defining it as a nuisance. Yeah. There are circumstances that definitely do fall into the public health nuisance. Um, you know, we have had one that's come in, you know, that we would consider, you know, that is noise. It is noise that is a constant generated noise. It's not from a vehicle, you know, so there are things that. Yeah. So you can follow up on those. So, yeah, the geese is a noise or the gun gun, uh, place was also a noise complaint, but that's different. Yeah. That's unfortunately, you know, people that live near the gun club that is, um, exempt from the noise regulations. So I don't know what's exempt from the noise regulations, you know? So, I mean, it's not exactly how they responded, but you know, what he said was, um, because there were so many variable variables, they wouldn't be able to identify, um, a standard to use. So it's probably something they talk about all the time, you know? So, um, I think it's also, sorry, when you live on a main road, I mean, that's what you kind of get, right? When we were looking for a house in Wayland, there was a nice house next to Happy Hollow. And my, uh, kind of a cousin of ours was very practical. He was like, go, go stand in front of that house at the time that school starts and school ends. And then decide if you still think you want to be there. You know, you have, it's part of the deal when you get a house. I mean, the neighborhood, you know? Right. Yep. So, okay. Um, onward to update on 10 short drive. This is moving forward in court. Um, and, uh, the owner had until Friday, just this past Friday, to, um, allow us in for a follow-up inspection, and she refused. And so, um, we are working with counsel to go back to the judge and find out what next steps would be, because I'm sure he's going to want someone to be able to inspect the house before something moves forward. So I believe she has an attorney that she's hired. And so, um, you know, when the next hearing comes up, maybe the attorney will be there to speak with us. So that's, um, what's going on there. Um, we also have another housing sit, you know, there's a few housing situations that are going on that we're working on. Um, this other one is, um, not as extreme as 10 short, you know, so we're working with the, um, with the occupants of that house. Um, just gives you an idea. There's a lot of work. I don't think we'll ever have a dull moment. Um, there is a, um, a number of properties in town that we're working on that are, you know, considered properties of concern that we check on. Most of them are, um, vacant, you know. So there's things that can be done that we talk about and we have been talking about, um, just to give you an idea of, you know, some of the things that we work with, um, building department, public safety, and discuss, you know, these things to, um, figure out what, you know, next steps we should follow to, um, check up on some of these properties. Um, the Lovelane hoedown is this weekend and it rain or shine. It's, um, it's, um, at Duck Puddle Farm over in North Wayland. And the reason I mention it is because there's like 19 vendors that will be attending and we have, um, vetted all of them for the food that they'll be preparing. This is a very fancy event and they have all kinds of, um, well-known chefs and people that come to this event and, um, you know, it's to raise money for handicapped kids that, you know, ride horses. And, um, so this is an event that we've worked for many times, you know, so Beth and I, our food inspector, usually we go and we do inspections of all the vendors and then, um, you know, we'll call it a day, but it's probably going to be pouring rain. So it's going to be inside that's on Saturday. So it's a good amount of work that's done on our half that, um, to make sure that food is safe, you know, at the event. Um, luckily it's not going to be a hundred degrees. That's usually the problem where, you know, they might not have enough ice or, you know, things like that. But, um, so that's happening this weekend. Um, I mentioned already an increase in, um, chicken and rooster complaints. We've had a couple of more. We're working on those. Um, oh, happy hollow school walk through. Um, I, uh, yeah. So we did that as well. They know where that says. Well, isn't that, that's in, it's in Lincoln, isn't it? Um, it may be, but this year it's in Wayland. They, I think they swapped, you know, where they have the event. So they're not having it at the Love Lane. No. The horseback, right? It's actually in Wayland at the Duck Puddle Farm this year. I don't know where that is. Which is, um, in, you know, northern Wayland, right down, you drive down, um, um, Hazel Brook Road, or not Hazel Brook. You go around. I don't know if you've been down that road before, but. I don't know. We haven't totally worked on yet. Around there. Yes. You go around the road, not this road. I think it's, I. It's okay. I've got, I've got the app, the app right there. Yeah. It's, it's, I don't know exactly which road it's on. It's Lincoln, Lincoln Road. I just looked it up. So it's on Lincoln. It's on Lincoln Road. Okay. Yes. 48 Lincoln Road. Thank you. Yes. That's exactly right. And it got pants. Yeah. Really? So, um. And they're in. And French Lake. Oh, is that who's gone? Oh. Those are the two bands. Isn't it where those, uh, horses are the, the, uh, what do you call them? Kids. Isn't that, now that's Waffen. It is a, a beautiful property. Yeah. Although it may not be on Saturday. So. This is supposed to be that. I don't know. There's a nor'easter that there's. One to two inches of rain here and then like, like up to five on the Cape. Yeah. 50 mile. Hour wind. Oh, no kidding. What's that? Saturday? Saturday. It's basically like three days. Yeah. So, um, getting back to Happy Hollow School. Um, we had received that complaint that I shared from, um, you know, concerned staff. And, um, so I made an appointment and we met with Mike Faya, who's the facilities director. And also met with, um, the building commissioner, Nate Maltynski. And, um, we reviewed the, um, complaint and set up an inspection for August 26th, where we did a walkthrough of the whole school and the classrooms and office areas. And went over the complaint. And, you know, the problem was that it wasn't very specific about this problem is here, you know, like telling us where, you know, we did a general inspection. We didn't see anything that was, um, alarming or concerning. Um, and they had just cleaned the school and preparing it to open. Um, you know, we did notice that some of the classrooms had a lot of stuff and that it's hard to clean around stuff, you know, when the custodians are doing their cleanings. So that was something we did talk about with Mike. Um, and then I know that they had done a significant amount of cleaning up on the side of the school where there's a storage area and they had a dumpster and, um, you know, basically it was all cleaned up into the dumpster. By the time we got there. By the time we got there. So, you know, if there was like junk sitting around in that, in that part of the school, they had decided what to keep and what, you know, get rid of. And they've already done all that. They've done all that. So, um, we didn't see or smell or notice any rodent problems or odors. They do have a pest company. So, you know, that's where it gets a little difficult because where was the rodent problem? Was it in this, you know, there's so many classrooms. So if someone told us there's a rodent in this classroom and it was in the ceiling, you know, like we would know what to look for. So if someone follows up with more specifics, you know, we'll certainly follow up on it. Um, we also had a food inspection of the cafeteria. You know, all the schools are inspected before they open. And, um, there were no issues identified there. And there was some testing that they had done back in, um, last fall, it looks like. Um, so, you know, and then. And we don't have standards for mold. So, you know, that's like the Holy Braille. Basically, you know, um, we look for, is there evidence of water leak? You know, has the leak been fixed? Then you fix, you know, whatever the damage was. And, um, that's how we typically approach leaks and problems related to, um, you know, roof damage or whatever the problem is. But we don't have standards to use to like check a report against, you know, so because there are no standards that makes it more difficult to, you know, address some of these concerns about mold. So, um, you know, obviously cleaning and making sure there's no active leaks or, you know, any damage that, you know, is caused by elite is fixed properly. So, um, that's basically what we would be looking for. Um, and, you know, sometimes you'll see, um. Um, and you could see, you know, the report that they provided from the, um, hygienist, but, um, you know, some people are probably definitely more sensitive to mold than others. I know I am. And, um, you know, if you have a lot of plants and things like that, that can, you know, be another source of mold because you're watering your plants and, you know, the water can leak sometimes. And, you know, just the plant itself can have, you know, um, depending on what kind of plant it is. But, um, there was an area that, you know, there, they were, they said that they were going to be cleaning up too, which is actually outside. You know, this area that, um, has like a koi pond and, and stuff like that, but it's outside. And so, um, they did mention they were hiring someone to do, um, some of that landscaping because there were, it was definitely overgrown. So this is, um, nobody signed their name to it. The report. No, the letter from. Oh, I know. Yeah. It's anonymous. Anonymous. And, and they, they actually threatened to ratchet it up if they couldn't get things. Right. So that's, you know, what I told Mike is that, you know, I don't know if you know who the person is, but, um, you know, specifically. If there's a problem, we need to know, you know, where is this problem? You know what I mean? And that way it helps us do an inspection. If we are involved, really, it should go to facilities. You know what I mean? Yeah, but the air quality was fine. Yeah. Oh, I don't know. Um, but some of those classrooms should definitely be cleaned up a little bit. They had too much stuff. I mean, I get it. You know, they probably have games and, you know, all different art. Yeah. They have stuff, but you know, it makes it harder to clean up too. So, so that was our findings there. And, um, let's see. Oh yeah. There's a Wayland Hazard Mitigation Plan public meeting on September 23rd. I will be joining that meeting. You can join via Zoom. They're encouraging board members to join if you're able. You can zoom in. It's quite a, um, it's quite a report. There's been a lot of time spent on it by many, um, people in town, including, you know, health, conservation, building, fire, the front office, the town manager. Um, you know, numerous other departments that, um, have been involved in, um, DPW town engineer, you know, I don't want to miss anyone. There's many people in the town who have been working on this plan. And so if you're able and interested, um, you know, we've provided some feedback, we've got some things on there that involve health department, um, where we may be, you know, help assisting with a task or, you know, leading something. Um, so that was something that is important to mention because a lot of time has been spent on that. And so, and that's updated, I think every five years, I think is what I heard, um, Oxbow, fats, oil, and grease investigation memo. I wanted to mention that because, um, they're trying to set up, um, inspection. And that was something that was, um, brought up by Abby, the town engineer who we've met a few times. And so I'm curious to see where that's going to go because, um, it sounds like, you know, based on what I've read, they're still not doing what, um, they've been asked to do. So, um, holding on to see what's next. Um, can I ask you one question? Sure. Have you been to this hazard mitigation plan thing? Yes. What does, what are they perceiving as the biggest hazard that we're looking at? Or what, what are we, what are we strategizing against? You know what I mean? Like a public health thing? They talk about flooding. They talk about, um, different hazards in town that, um, are of a concern, you know, like the Snakebrook Dam. That is being fixed right now as we speak. And other areas that, um, could be looked at more that are, you know, there might be. So it's individual things. It's not like a global event that's going to happen and the whole town will be disrupted. It's more of these individual. A lot of it's related to storm related events. Um, there's various things that are earmarked with different, like responsibilities depending on what department you're in. So, um, you know, I can, I don't know if I've shared a copy of it with you, but you'll see it at the meeting and I can share what we've seen recently. Um, just so you can leaf through and you can see what they have listed in there. It is interesting to see, you know, because, and I mentioned, oh, well, you know, there is. We should add somewhere in the plan, and I think we will, that, um, when there's an event that's a significant flood. Like many people on Pelham Island Road have no way to get to civilization, you know, there's no way to get public safety over there and there's no way for them to get off their island. And so in the past, we've had duck boats shuttling people back and forth. Um, you know, so I was like, well, what's the plan? You know, so that's, you know, it identifies different things, you know, that could be hazards and, um, ones that we're aware of. Ones that are being looked into, some that involve a lot of money. What happens to terrain? That happens. Right. Well, that's. That's. Well, that part. That's where it was. It wasn't all that hilarious. The parking lot. Oh, yeah. So I can share it with you if I haven't. Or I would just be curious. Yeah. Yeah. It's, um, it's an interesting read. So I didn't actually, they probably have, um, the draft that's going to be talked about is probably somewhere, you know, that people can look at before or maybe, you know, I'm not sure. I can't remember if they had the draft up there, but they're, they're going to go through, um, the draft to take public comments. And so if you have public comments, you could provide them at that meeting. Um. And so, uh, Kray Tom. There's a Kray Tom ban in Massachusetts now. And I took the time to read through all this stuff that Olivia Dufour shared with us, which I thought was a lot of great information and, um, we can send a notice to all our retailers saying, you know, on this day, you know, Kray Tom was banned as a controlled substance, blah, blah, blah. You know, there's this draft letter. Um, so that's what I was planning on doing, you know, sending it to our retailers. I don't know what will happen going forward. Cause I guess the ban is effective through August of 2027. So we'll see what happens next. Um, have you seen it sold in Waylon? No, I have not. Um, and I'm sure. Well, I can't be sure, but you know, during the tobacco. The tobacco inspections, if they saw it, they would have told me, I would think. So unless someone has recently stocked it up, but they probably haven't because the ban just happened. So, um, I don't think it's in Wayland, but if you happen to be in one of these stores, you know, take a peek, but I am going to send this letter. So, um, I didn't know if anyone had any questions about Kray Tom. Um, it's, um, the, the order covers any product held out or holding itself out to be Kray Tom and any product containing. Um, and I'm not going to begin to try and say some of these names, but there's one, two, three. Well, isn't there like bath salts in the past that they were. Well, some people use it as, you know, um, a type of a supplement that is supposed to help them, you know, and I think when we talked about it one time in the past, someone zoomed in was debating that, um, you know, the use of Kray Tom because it was just being talked about, you know, was starting to be talking about. But, um, I don't just don't know anything about it, but that's fine. I don't. I mean, you know, it's a plant native to Southeast Asia that contains several psychoactive alkaloids, including Mitra the nine and seven. Sorry. I can't. The plant-based Kray Tom naturally contain both Mitra nine and seven Oh, these alkaloids may also be extracted from the plant or produced synthetically. Some synthetic or highly processed products may contain substantially higher concentrations of seven Oh, then are typically found in the natural plant. Depending on the amount used Kray Tom may produce stimulant like effects, such as increased alertness and opioid like effects, such as pain relief and sedation. Synthetized since the sized products typically contain higher concentrations of the naturally occurring substance that I can't pronounce or synthetic derivatives of Mitra guy. So, you know, I think people are using it to, um, feel better, maybe using it if they have an illness possibly, but it's not. Or maybe instead of the nicotine patch. I don't know. But I think because of the problems that the risk, that's why they're, you know, that's why the vein is in place because it was being misused, you know. And, um, I'm sure there's stories that Dr. Anand may have heard about this product being used. Yeah, I had a patient who she was in rehab and she got off, uh, narcotic addiction, actually, and she was using this. This was like about 20 years ago. And she said to me, Oh, it's natural. It's fine. You know, but she got addicted to this and then she had to go to rehab for this. I mean, so that's what the, that's why the government governors probably come down on it. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Very addicted. So, um, if there's no other questions about Crayton, we've got general business, bills, minutes. Yep. Did everyone have a chance to look at the minutes? Yes. Yes. Mm hmm. Okay. I make a motion to approve the minutes from one five 26. We have a second. Okay. Okay. Dr. Genevieve Annette. Ella Epstein. I wasn't at the meeting. Okay. Kathleen Stipp. Yes. John Stern. Yes. Dr. Bob D. Grinchester. That's approved. Minutes January 5th, 26. Minutes for 20, 23, 26. I make a motion to approve the minutes from February 23, 26. Wait a second. Second. Okay. Dr. Genevieve Annette. Okay. Dr. Genevieve Annette. Andrea wasn't at that meeting either. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chat start. Yes. Dr. Bob D. Francesco. That's approved. Minutes to 23, 26. Okay. Great. Thank you. So, yeah, I was just, um, I wasn't sure. We have both dates on the calendar because I was not sure if the board wanted remote only remote only or hybrid. So. Why was it remote only? Because, um, for whatever reason, um, there's certain days when they have too many meetings that, like, they only have a certain number of meetings where you can do hybrid because. The, um, technology to do so is, um, you know, conflict, more complicated than doing just hybrid. Okay. I mean, than doing just remote. Yep. So that's why. And, um, I'm fine with either date, but I wanted to make sure that you knew that, you know, because we don't often do remote only. So, you know, I wasn't sure if, um, you wanted to do that or do the other day when it's, um, available to do hybrid. Do hybrid. Do hybrid. Do hybrid. I love you. What do you guys? That's fine. Unless you need to get another meeting in Baltimore, then. I can, um, if we do need to, I can reach out again, but at this time, I don't think we need one. Um. 1026. 1026. 1026. Does that work for you, Dr. Anand? Um, just a second. So you, it's going from the 19th through the 26th. That should be fine. Okay. Right. So we wouldn't have a meeting on the 19th. Okay. If for some reason we need one, we could do the 19th, but, um, I don't have anything currently on that, um, unless we get an application for an animal keeping comment, which we probably will. Yeah. So. I was thinking and I just want to say it. So that's, um, that's a, that's a, that was a difficult situation. I mean, I, I did feel empathy for the owner and the, um, and Sandra, but I feel like it was the right decision that the board made because really that's why we have these regulations. And, um, so that's all, you know, anyway. Can I make a motion to, um, close the meeting? Do we have a second? Second. Okay. Dr. Jaramina? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. John Storm? Yes. We have a couple of guys called meetings adjourned. We have two people at the party. We have two people at the party.
Catherine Stiff? John Stoyer? Yeah. Dr. Genevieve Anand? Yeah. Dr. Brett Moore is not here tonight and Dr. DeFrancesco is here. So let's start with public comment. Do we have any public comment waiting?
I don't see if Dr. Henry is online. You don't? No, I do not. I'm going to switch to the folks here. Oh yeah, does somebody want to send it? Did they sign it? Anybody sign it? People are, yes. Does anybody want to make any public comment for today? All right, let's start with one. How are you doing? Well, I will start with disease reports before July and August. So we had one case in July, we had one case of babesiosis, one of, two of human disease, one of enterovirus, two of human bone granulocytic, anaplasmosis, and Lyme disease for COVID-19, one of salmolosis, and in August, one of campylobacteriosis, one of clitorisosis, one of clitorisosis, one of human granulocytic anaplasmosis, three of influenza, five of Lyme disease, three of novel coronavirus, one of latent tuberculosis infection, and one of paracela. No surprises on this list did work with Sunrise senior living resident care director mid-September, after seven residents experienced symptoms of gastrointestinal illness. And the regional health inspector also did work with an inspection there, with no significant concerns at that time, and with no illness continued after that point, control measures and education were put into place. The EPA is also assisting with some travel monitoring for those who have traveled from countries affected by the whole law, and so that is something that I've helped with, and then we have a regional, the Great Meadows, the Hope Health Collaborative, if you want to pass that around, is now giving a monthly report based on MAVEN cases. MAVEN is that Massachusetts Virtual Epidemiologic Network, that we manage reportable diseases thoroughly, and so this gives a snapshot of each month for the region, which we are included. And I want to put a little bit about what went into the most recent Town of Wayland newsletter in terms of emergency preparedness and a checklist for those in the community that they can use. MAVEN is also at home in September, National Preparedness Month, and then an invitation about applying clinics in town, there are two coming up on the 7th and the 14th. And flyers for those are up on the Wayland Health Department's webpage. We did work with the superintendent of schools to put a message that was recently put out by Robbie Goldstein, the PDH commissioner and the president of the Massachusetts chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics about the importance of vaccination, especially at the start of the school year. So that's being sent out by school principals. So that's being sent out by school principals. There were two blood pressure clinics recently, one at 106 Main Street and one at Bent Park. And the opioid abatement fund working group did put out the flags recently at the public safety building in recognition of those live plots to overdose in acknowledgement of international overdose awareness day and national recovery month. We have upcoming tabling at Weyland Fest supported by the Metro West Medical Reserve Corps or MRC volunteers that will offer health information and health resources. And then for school services, and then for school services, we are at school health services. We do have an open position currently for community health nurse at the middle school. And so we are looking to fill that and in the email with my report, it did just have a summary of all the important work that the school nurses are doing at this time of year while still some students in the health room. So everything that does have to be done at the service. Any questions? I think we're good. Well, do people have to sign up for the flu for the clinics or do? We do. I think it will be okay to have some walk-ins, but we try to encourage everyone to register in advance. I haven't yet ordered the COVID-19 vaccine. It does come at a cost difference compared to the flu vaccine. So we're trying to be mindful of pre-law and selecting the flu vaccines that are not pre-ordering. So I'll order that closer to the clinic. I had a question on the varicella case. Like was it, was it somebody who was not vaccinated or? Yeah. I think those come through actually as even a herpes zoster. So that's generally what I see as what's coming through. There wasn't anything particularly striking with that one case. And it was even just an FYI to the health department. It wasn't one that required investigation on my part. Sorry, so you're saying it was a shingles case and not a chickenpox case? Any other questions? Any more? You're doing good. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Have a good night. Thank you. Great. Do we have to make a motion to open the hearing? Yes. Okay. We can start our open hearing from 154 Boston Post Road. We need a motion to open the hearing. Motion to open the hearing from 144 Boston Post Road. Do we have a second? Second. Okay. Do a roll call. Dr. Genevieve? Yes. Yes. Yes. Kevin Stiff? Yes. John Stoyer? Yes. And Dr. Bob Defrancesco. Okay. Well, I think we should ask the applicant to explain the request that's before us, mainly because there was a corrected notice that went out on August 23rd. And there was a change in the number of animals. And it does say in the letter, this letter, which you have a copy of it here. Yes. At this point, there is no change to change. I'm sorry. There's no plan to change the animal shelter being currently used. So that was something I wasn't sure about because the prior correspondence had talked about moving things and fences. And so after I looked at everything, I was, you know, wondering what this plant. So there has been an additional shed added on the outside of the yard with the new plants. Okay. And housing. Yeah. So the old one is going to be used for other storage. The one around the side of the house, which is new, that was put in there to keep it away from the neighbors, has been installed. And upon getting the permit for the animals, at that point, another fence installed. So does that, is that what these drawings represent? Correct. Because we received, yeah. So. That's the number one. So is it proposition number one? Correct. Yes. Yes. Which is included in the information we have. So this drawing. That's what. This, this is probably, yes. This is the one. Yes. Okay. So, so the fence would be here? No. So this fence is pre-existing. This is the current shed used here, which is right next to the other line. And they're the most favorite sound. They move the east shed right here, which was just installed, which is also a bit more soundproofed. So they're a lot quieter. Over here, the sound of a lot more area to disperse. As previously, when they would gather here, the sound would only escape towards the neighbor. Here, it can disperse into the woods and towards the street, which already drowns out the noise. So where is the area that? Right here. Right here. That's where the geese will be contained. In that area. This fence is pre-existing. This square is the shed that was just added. And where they're currently sleeping. And right here, this line right here, is a temporary structure that is keeping in that area as a temporary fence. But it should be approved to remove the temporary fence and install a tall permanent fence. That would be without gaps to allow further sound to be contained. This line right here, that's next to this neighbor. We actually have a letter of approval from this neighbor stating that he's perfect. Other geese would be here next to that line. He said he mailed one to you as well. I think you have a copy of the letter. Yes, I do. Yep. I shared it with the board. I think I have a copy of both letters that work. I forwarded the letter of support and the letter of return as well. We spoke with this neighbor recently when we were showing the plans to see if we want to show the neighbors. Let's speak with them before he mailed it to them just to, you know, how we can save the time. And he said that after the geese would be here, that he noticed an improvement. So I'm unsure if there's been any changes with that, but when we spoke to him, that's what he told us. Okay. And so this here is what you're saying is the new shed? Yes, that's the new shed. For animal shelter. Yes. Okay. This line right here represents the fence that will be added as permanent fence. And right now there's a temporary one. Okay. Does everyone understand that? Yeah, I think so. Like I was watching you guys. So, and currently the permit request is for three geese and one duck. Is that correct? That's correct. And we do have a letter that came in from the neighbor. And it sounds like he was confused about things as well. He did contact my office last week on either Thursday or Friday and said that he was not able to make this meeting, but that he was not in support of three geese and one duck. So I'm not sure where the additional tools came from. I hatched. I hatched. I hatched. I hatched. I hatched. At home. It was. I had a hatch that I ordered. And I ended up doing children at mine. And she abandoned it in my house. And they abandoned it in my house. And I faced it. They determined that she ended up looking back. But that's what I did. I didn't think that would happen. I didn't think that would happen. I'm very close to my house. You know. I went to a sanctuary, basically in Sherborne, in the Champ Sanctuary. This thing went down. This thing went down. This thing went down. This thing went down. This thing went down. This thing went down. I didn't think that I could go somewhere that I could visit them in your part of their lives. And the rest of three years in the house, shopping, trying to get out of this town, trying to go to Acton, I know there's better things in the farm. And unfortunately, it's not easy to find them instead. But, you know, it has to do bathrooms. To try my hardest to accommodate in the meantime. And just keep it sound as low as possible. They're not squawking as much because they're not in the back right behind my door. You know. They squawk when I talk to them. And I get more excited. If I may, they were behind us. When I spoke to him was a bit after the fourth one was, the current fourth one was returned to us. I spoke to him around two weeks after that happened. And he did say he knows of improvement. So if it's about the sound, he didn't mention any additional noise. The news that was returned to us is, for the most part, silent. The ones that didn't make any noise were the ones that have been there already. And that is the sound that's already been produced by their replacements. I mean, I believe that the six foot fence will help obviously. I'm surprised. Did you, have you done anything since the last meeting? As far as moving structures or fencing? Yeah. Yes. Right. Proposition L1. You'll see a square sitting up in the fence. That would be shut down. Just animated. I can go there and show if you can't if you'd like. But it must, it must still not be satisfying the neighbor or he wouldn't have written the letter. Yeah. When I spoke to him, it was after the fourth one I arrived. He said it was a great book with the sound. I believe the letter was written because we were expecting this to happen. So we noticed that the letter was given to him to find him a fourth one. I don't think he knew that the fourth one was already back there when I spoke to him. He said it was approving the fourth one had already been there for some time. And didn't expect that to happen. So how many geese do we have at this point? Currently, there are three geese and one. Two geese were there previously. They are the one that primarily sounds they play. The fourth one is quiet. She spends almost all day just sitting on an A. The fourth goose or duck? Duck bird. Fourth bird. Fourth bird. Okay. So the original permit was for one goose and two ducks. That was with variances. For the lot size, the distance to butters. Two and one, two. You said two. Two ducks. Two ducks. And one goose. Okay. And so, you know, the abutter who we've been hearing from has been, you know, is stating in this letter that he's willing to consider a trial arrangement with the original variance of one goose and two ducks. And that's what you initially. That's what was originally approved. I shared a copy of the minutes from that board meeting that was in 2024, I believe, where it was approved at a board meeting. The vote was four to zero to approve the variance for two ducks and one goose. Two ducks and one goose for a walk closer and closer to him than closer to the, you know, where we were. To the other abutter. Mr. Redburn. Yeah. So, you know, if you have a different situation, I mean, is he probably, I mean, frankly, is he probably going to hear sometimes these? He's, yes. There's no question of what time you hear them. Yeah. Constantly? No. I mean. He seemed pretty reasonable when he was here. That, that, that occasional wasn't going to bother him. It was early in the morning or something constant. Right. We're just like, why would I ever see that? Yeah. But he's still, he's still, he's still isn't, he's still isn't happy with it. He told you that it was okay. That was when I had the higher boards up there. I had higher boards that I put up to keep the noise away, which is when he said that it was better. But unfortunately, because I had to work with what I asked, I had to take those boards off. And now, the, the, the, they're only called to carry them out, so of course, because they're going to get to know if they should be fired. I mean, I got an appointment for the higher guys to come in. Um. I guess the board would like, sound for a thing. I mean, I'm just going to get to do it. I mean, I'm just going to get to do it. I mean, I'm just going to get to do it. I mean, I'm just going to get to do it. It's nothing. It's nothing. And I'm willing to, like, my dad's going to, like, allow the signal. It's just going to do it. But I'm trying very hard. And the reason why, before, when we were saying we were going to move, and it didn't happen, my father was in the hospital. And he was in the hospital. And he thinks I was going to make him. And that's when he started. The whole movie thing. And it's been a really hard year for us. So I'm just trying to keep these guys until we get out of there. And we do what we get up and make everyone happy. Um, and I, like, I don't get out in the school.
Yeah, you know, I said elsewhere. Um, well, frankly, I mean, if you're honest with you, I mean, I, we need to pay for a new test, you know, you know, a six-month IRS with the gates and so on. Do I want to do that? No. But you need to simply that we plan to move. But the cheaper is moving. The cheaper is moving. But at the same time, you know, we are willing to spend that money. Just for the time being, we can survive until the spring of next year. Something like that. But for people who are in schools, our streets are closed. Of course, you know, in the school, working in the school. And, uh, and when people are more willing to move, so to speak. Right now, obviously, with kids in school, people are not willing to move and sell houses. That's when, normally, I was experiencing the market more in spring and summer. Or early summer, obviously. And at that time, that's what we're planning to do. Can I ask the letter, um, the letter, did it mention additional goings? Or was it a question to the additional? So one question here, um, it does say, um, and I don't remember hearing this, but that it was acknowledged that at one point there had been seven geese and ducks in the property at one time. This was on in August. I mean, you know, our job is to enforce regulations. These are our town regulations that we adopted for a reason, you know, so that when there's a problem with animal keeping, it can be addressed, especially with noise or odor, which in this case, I haven't heard of odor. But, um, you know, this permit was issued with variances, and we've had, you know, quite a bit of discussion about it now at this point. And I'm just pointing out that, um, I don't know that I see the, um, three geese being a solution that's going to work because we're going to get complaints from the abutter again, and we're going to be back here again. And in this meeting room, talking about it next month. How's it? Did the owner just mention the additional sound on it? Because when we spoke to him about the sound that had approved, was it after the fourth one had arrived, which we didn't expect? And he didn't mention an additional sound to us. He said the sound had approved. It's kind of so hard to work with him. I think one thing that might be, uh, you guys might be able to take into consideration is, um, most of the time that it pauses the neighbors during the summer when they're outside on the deck or join the yard with the cooler months coming up. Um, I don't think that there's really going to be a problem with that because of the lack of time that geese will be out and around the lack of time that the neighbors would be out of the house. Additionally, in regards to the longer, I think the winter time will help area right next to the property. Well, the deck, you know, when you come to the deck of the house, obviously they would be outside of the deck. Right now, the new location is ready to be. They've got, you know, these going to access to the deck of the library. It's the office assignment. They got, you know, several of the office. We're hoping that winter time will help us manage, get some extra time in the future for the 3-year-olds going on here at the bird. If we could hang on to the bird, so it's time to move. We're hoping that the colder winter months will help with the noise. It does. I mean, we don't. We don't. We're soundproofing it and putting out the interior, but then it's currently actually working on that. Good. It's about something that you want to get the permit for permanent. Maybe it could be something with a certain amount of time to find somewhere to take them to move. I mean, in such a small neighborhood, I feel like it's not really an appropriate place to have numbers of geese, you know? I mean, the permit says for less than one acre, six chickens, right? No other. Yeah. It's not like six fowl. It's six chickens. I thought it was six fowls. Nope. It's just this chicken. Well, it's what the permit says, you know, when it's improved. And when there's a change in the permit, it's supposed to come back, you know, to the board because of things like this. You know what I mean? Yeah. Especially when there's a problem, you know? And so, you know, it's just the noise is really the crux of this where you're in a small neighborhood. It's not a farm, you know, which would be probably fine. I'm sure no one would complain about geese on a farm or on a, you know, really large piece of land, which, you know, in Northern Wayland, I mean, you know, there are people with, you know, I'm sure things that can't be heard by anyone because they have larger lots in some of those parts of town. But as they've received this noise is the crux of the issue. You were already discussing with them, but they didn't notice the great improvement. And that was after the forefront had already arrived. But you've had months. You've known he hasn't liked it for months and months and months, right? That's why we're not talking about it. Well, I mean, but I mean, just, I would have loved for you to come tonight with a letter from the neighbors saying, the three geese are fine. They've quieted them down. I don't, they don't bother me anymore. I was hoping it was like, I thought he might be the last time. That's my concern. He couldn't make it tonight. He had to do something else that wasn't able to. We're unaware if, I don't know, we knew what that would be. We'll actually look to be there for a try and say, but we'll respond to the sound. What is accurate, right? And we say close to improvement. Is the concern in the future increased volume, that would have already been noticed? But the current, the current volume with two, the volume was too much. The third one was the way it sounds. I know that you don't know that. The current volume was two and another. Then maybe, maybe keep the third one and get rid of the second one. Or there's got to be a. No, it's because I hatched them. Yeah. I know. I know that. They don't, you don't have them. I understand they just form upon the owners that are. It's unbreakable. I. I. When. The. The. The problem was. A lot of it was. The placement. They were. They were. They were. Nowhere to escape. Well, you don't have them in the front yard either. That would be a. A good solution. Thank you. This is why I have the thing going out that. I had like that. And I had it going out a little bit more for them. You know, in the front yard. And actually that's what I. The first location is the sound. Did the. Good.
The first person spoke him and the fourth one had. Already died. He said no three. At the time. If there had been an increase in volume, It would have already been noticed. It is to my understanding that the letter that was brought to you was was about the concern of bringing the fourth one to the fold, about the risk of increased volume, however, the fourth one has always been in the fold when he spoke to him, and now, if there was going to be a notice in increased volume, it would have already been noticed, but it hasn't. It's been stated that it's been a path through, in terms of where they were before, they've been relocated to a place where the south is first in recognition, being able to run through on the fence line, which would be the most affected by the location, has already written a lot of approval, and with the new jet, which is bigger, swatting slated, the addition of a six-foot fence, which would be no gaps to close its stated proposition, that would further extremely reduce any possible information for this problem. It is my understanding that that is the main concern here, which, as before, the fourth one, was in full of the speed of the program, and the letter is not complaining about the current noise, the letter is complaining about the fourth one, which has already been there, so there's going to be an increase in volume. I can't support you, so someone has to, do you have any other questions, the board have any other questions? So, if somebody wants to make a motion? I make a motion to deny this permit for three geese and one duck. Do we have a second? I second. Okay. Let's do a roll call on this. Catherine Stumpf? I'll stand by. Does that mean a yes? Yes. Oh, yeah. Yes. John Stoyer? Yes. Genevina? Dr. Genevina? Yes. Yes. I also approve. So, is the board defaulting back to the original permit? I think that's correct. With the number of geese being one and, at that time, one goose and two ducks? Yeah. If they want. I mean, that's not being applied for at this time. They're not just, you know, wondering. The neighbors don't have a problem. Right. Right. That was the right. I think they were about funding. I think they were about funding. Yes. That was pretty good with that ball. Okay. I'm standing just standing with that. I mean, two nuts and one of these is the target. You guys are working for approval. We're not. We were approving. We were voting on what was before us, which was three geese and one duck. Sure. And so, I was just trying to, you know, find out. What about the possibility of finding a good money? We're expecting the fourth one to arrive. We're going to be able to find a home for the fourth one. Fourth bird, that is. Right. Fourth bird. Proposition for two geese and one duck. Is there any word on the possibility of that as an option? I think the neighbor doesn't want the two geese talk to each other, don't they? That's what everything I read about. Occasionally. But it's not all day every day. It's occasional. That was what the original permit was. And so that was. The competitive permit was because we're expecting the fourth one to arrive. It did. So we need to work around that. However, with the current changes in the house, where the rain situation was, when he complained, and the way the situation is, we respond to him, was the two geese and one duck. That's what we did about provisions for. Sound proofing. The fencing. The relocation. He stated that he knows the proof of the sound. The neighbor next to us will find it. And the new plan would further bring disperse. So if you're going to find a new home report and what we're expecting in the future. I think. I think, you know, there could be some discussion regarding some time that, you know, can be provided to comply with this permit. But I mean, I don't know what the plan will be. Right. So, you know, will they apply for a permit to have one goose and two ducks? I don't know. I can't determine that. But, you know, to comply with what the denied permit is. That's another question mark. So. Well, the original application for one duck, it's more of the colonialism. That's the current. But what was and still is the current situation. For the most part. We're expecting the important part right now. Why wouldn't it happen? Sadly. But we applied. And the current, hopefully, distribution was for two goose and one duck. The reason we're not reapplying for two ducks and one goose right now is because we weren't expecting that we got it. The goose ended up being one. If we were to apply for two goose and two ducks and one goose. That would involve getting rid of a bird, and then getting a new bird, which is, we would basically get a point doing that. The whole point of applying for two these one ducks and that was what we had. And that's hopefully what we can default back to because it would simply be a matter of finding a home for the one that was brought back to us. With the noise, with the plane, it's because of also where they were, of soundproofing. The sound could only escape this property line because it's the diagram that was right next to it where they lived. Now they have moved to a location on the other side of the property. The sound escapes from the original house and the addition of the fence. The sound will further be produced and there is the occasional home. The neighbor of the beautiful suspected has already approved in the plan. So that's my main question here. Is the original application for two weeks and one duck and a grace period finding home for the four birds that showed up? I'm confused. I mean, you know, we became aware that there were three geese on the property. We thought that was important to make sure we had the correct number that we were looking at. And so that's what was before the board this evening and the board. I mean, as you are saying basically, there is no compromise. Oh, no. Wait a second. There is no compromise. That's what the neighbor wants. That's what the neighbor is going to get. Either two ducks and one goose or nothing at all. So that's basically what it means. What we're saying is, am I right? Well, it was already a compromise to get a goose there. The regs say you can have chickens, you can have some chickens. I understand that. So one goose is already a variance. And that's why we have these renewal periods of time so that when there are complaints from abutters, they have the opportunity to speak up and that when there's a renewal, which that's what this started out as. Renewals start in June before we automatically renew a permit. If we hear from someone and there's a complaint and and we investigate every animal complaint that we receive. And believe it or not, we get tons of. We had two new rooster complaints and people have to get rid of their roosters. Roosters aren't even allowed anymore because it's a complete nuisance. I mean, imagine waking up at four o'clock in the morning. And here on a coffee table, too. I haven't said that for a question. But these guys don't come out until 9 o'clock, 9.30. It's still a nuisance to the neighbor. Do you have an acre? More than an acre? No. You don't? Okay. I don't live there. No, no. But you live in town, though. Do you have more than an acre? No. Oh, okay. I don't have any roosters or any... No, no. But you could take, if you had more than an acre, you could have two geese. I could have two geese if I have more than an acre. Yeah. I mean, maybe there's a farm in town that, you know, could consider... I don't want to put words in anyone's mouths, but there are places in town that have large swaths of land that could consider a couple of geese as not a big deal, where there's no neighbors and there's fields and streams and many things like that. Yeah. You know, doing housing rent of those lots probably requires a few million dollars, which they are not readily accessible to us. I'm not saying... I'm just saying, you know, it may be okay with taking on a couple of geese right here in town. I don't know. I don't know if anybody that does music, I don't know. As things stand, everything's been communicated through third party with the environment. The final part of the year today, obviously I was able to make it over, we would like the opportunity to actually speak with him about the current change a bit more, and show him the birds in the back to get everyone to be clear about what the situation is, and be clear about what the current sound level is for the birds. Right now, everything's through their party. We'd like to actually have a chance to speak with him? I mean, the board has voted, and so... Yeah, you can go speak to him, but right now that's... For the three geese. I'm talking about the two birds and one duck. You vote on the three geese. Correct. So... If there was a different application that the board could consider... So just... Would it be possible to speak with him about what the... It was, what he could claim, how he changed it, about the two geese and one duck, and if he had stated that... He's known it's a great improvement with, you know, re-location, he can reapply for the two geese and one duck, if he agrees with... He would have to reapply. Where they are currently. Yeah. And that's what... If you're going to speak to him, and you speak to him, and then you reapply. That's how he should do it. Yeah. Got it. That's what we originally did with the two geese and one duck. We weren't expecting it for it, but... So... Well, I understand. We understand that. I'm just saying... It wasn't approved. Go back, speak to the abutter. Re-apply of what you think you want to do. That's what I'm saying. We can do that. Mm-hmm. Yes. Okay. So, I think you should... You can. Yes. I was just... Yeah. So, anyway. All right. Okay. We'll see what happens. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. If you could make sure you signed our guest sheet. Thank you very much. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good night. Thank you. You too. Can we get a motion to close the hearing, please? I make a motion. Close the hearing. We have a second. Okay. Dr. Genevieve, you know? Yes. John Stoyer? Yes. Katie Stook? Yes. And Dr. Babdi Francesco? Yes. The hearing is closed. Thank you. So, our next topic is to follow up on draft revised local tobacco control regulations and discuss next steps. Okay. I wasn't sure if... I couldn't remember who was here and who wasn't here last time. And I wanted to remind you that you could watch the hearing. Well, it wasn't a hearing. It was just a discussion on Wacom. It's all recorded. And, you know, maybe when you have a few minutes you could watch and listen. I think John left the meeting to go somewhere during the tobacco control discussion. So, you know, I wanted to find out if the board was interested in moving forward and potentially that would involve setting up a hearing, an official hearing where it's advertised and you're going to have a bunch of people in here from tobacco companies and retailers to basically, you know, hash out the changes that we're considering. We would have our tobacco control manager here again and probably some other folks that would be here to support any questions that come up. And so, I was just wondering if the board had thought about it and has any feelings one way or another as to moving forward. Well, when you say moving forward, what's that? So, the moving forward would be, because it is a bit of work. Right. So, we have to do an article, not an article, I'm sorry, an ad in the paper. It's a legal ad. Right. We would have a specific date that we carefully select so that we make sure everyone can make it. And then, you know, the hearing will be to review and talk about the draft regs that we have. Right. And they'd be, you know, torn apart by everyone who joins us. Right. But that, you know, those are folks that are generally not supporting the idea of having stricter regs. So, that would be what would happen. And then, you know, we would take back that information and talk about it at another meeting. Yep. And then decide if we want to make any changes to the draft based on feedback from the hearing. So, it's a process. Or what? Or not make changes. Oh, okay. We could just leave it the way it is. Oh, I see. And then, you know, so that's what the hearing is for. So, you can hear feedback and, you know, comments from the public or from businesses or, you know, retailers, lack of control companies, different, you know, people will chime in. This would be related to language around nicotine pouches. Yes. As well. Yep. All that. And any of the language that's in the draft, they could potentially, you know, disassemble it. And, you know, oh, we'll say this instead of that. We can hear all those comments. Do we have, you know, and fairly, it should be that you have the hearing and then you close the hearing. And then you have another meeting to talk about all the stuff or you can do it that same day. And then, you know, make a decision to vote on the regulation at a further date if you choose to do so. So. You guys want to, might be, might be worse hearing. What do you think? In general, nicotine pouches, they're not great for your mouth. Well, yeah. Well, there's pros and cons of it all. Yes. I think the long-term effects are still not clear, right? Yeah. Because so many people are starting to use these pouches and you're seeing some, you know, impacts on people's gums and teeth and stuff from that, from a dentist perspective, I think is what I remember you saying. That's correct. So, but yet, you know, down the road, do we know what will happen? For the long term. Right. It's hard to know, you know, especially with other things like, for example, Ozempic. Are you going to go blind? You know, I mean. I saw that article. I haven't read the article, but I saw it on the news this morning and I was like, Oh my God, that's pretty scary. I saw a man who, you know, is completely blind now that was taking Ozempic. And, you know, that's not a comparison, but you know, when you're starting the new products and people, I mean, there's a lot of people using those nicotine pouches. Does it cost? I have no idea. But is it better than smoking? That's what you have to look at. That's a good point. Yeah. I don't know. People are going to do stuff. Yeah. You're going to find something. Yeah. Right. Well, yeah, that's true. So. Having mom. What's up? Sorry. Oh, I said they're also flavored and, and like they have this menthol type of thing. So it's attracted to kids. I think that's another big piece of it. That's correct. Yeah. I guess the big question is, do we want to hear the companies? Well, we would, if we want to consider adopting a regulation, that is what we've been looking at. We really have to hear. To do it without one would be. Yeah. You can't really, you'd be torn apart. Well, what about all the towns around? I know that was mentioned. What is there? I can get more information on what those numbers are and what people are doing. Because I know it was mentioned at the meeting. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. Some towns that were for it. Yeah. A limited number. What was that? A limited number. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it would be good to get that and then make a decision. Sure. I can get that for you. I can get that info a little bit. Yeah. So, Julia, are you the dog officer also? Thankfully, no. I am not. We have an animal control officer who is a dog officer and handles licensing and, well, she doesn't handle the licensing. She handles complaints for dogs that are licensed and if they're not, then, you know, it turns into an investigation. So, yes, we haven't really used that person to look into things like that. I can start. I was thinking about reaching out to this person and getting some feedback because she does what we call the barn inspections. Right. And that includes all the permits that we have for animals in town. And so every year she goes around and does inspections at each property. And so that would be something that- I would think it shouldn't be on your plate. It's not. I mean, it's a separate person that handles that that is a contracted person with the town. I don't think this foul stuff should be on your plate either. So it's- I can tell you how much time- I mean, between Patty and myself, we've gotten more calls about roosters. It's ridiculous. That should be going to the, the animal. I don't know. That delegation. I mean, sometimes it's an easy fix. You know, we tell them, listen, you got to get rid of the rooster. And most people get it. You know what I mean? Like they are like, oh, I didn't know that we'll take care of it. And they do. And so, and we would know, because guess what? The person who's living next door keeps calling us until the rooster's gone. And so I don't know where the, you know, and I think it is true that people get chicks and sometimes you don't know that they're male or female. And so then you end up with a rooster. Now, do I believe that, you know, the person we just heard, I think has, you know, they, they want to have geese. I think, you know, they are attached as pets and, you know, you can't just keep adding more geese when you know that there's a problem with noise. And so that part is different when you have, we have one person that cause I did all the animal keeping renewals because we have a new person and she's still learning the job. She's actually had some time off. So she's not here right now, but we're very pleased to have hired Michelle Boralessa. She's our new permitting assistant. And so I think she's going to be a fantastic addition to help us get things straightened out and square away. But with, with some of our renewals, the, you know, some of these people that apply for renewals added animals, you know, and they, they're not supposed to do that. It says right on the permit, check here. If you know, there's no change and people are checking there. And I can see clearly, I look at last year. I look at this year. Doesn't take a genius to figure out the numbers don't match. So we actually have one other person who, but she lives in North Wayland. She has a huge property. Do we really care how many, you know, like, so there's just different scenarios that, you know, the board can consider. What's that? No, that if we had that person checking the barns and seeing that there's fall there or whatever, in a report that would have been like helpful today. That, that information is confidential for whatever reason, barn inspections are not for public viewing. And so when she does that report, I provide the addresses to her. And she provides, yes, this is what they have, you know, but she, like, I can, for whatever reason, it's a confidential process. So, but through our renewal process, I can see what we know we have and what people are applying for. And there's a process in the permitting, in the re-permitting where you're checking last year and checking this year. And if it doesn't match, then you got, you got to figure out what to do. So I'm hoping that Michelle will be able to take that on because it's not that difficult, but it can be time-consuming. You know what I mean? Like, hey, have that person check the fall in each. Yeah, right. Get that out of your plate or whatever. You know what I mean? Yes. Delegate that to the animal. It's hard to believe how much time it takes. It's really ridiculous. Yeah. That person can do, in addition to everything else, she's still in the barn, she can do in the fall. Right. That way, like I said, if we had more information tonight, from that report, we can say, hey, you know. Right. So I don't think she was there inspecting the place last year because they didn't have a permit. Right. For some reason, whatever happened, and so I mean, it could have been our error. Yeah. I didn't see it in the minutes, but I swear she said that they were moving last year. She did. She did. Okay. And then she said it again this year. And so, you know, I think that they'd like to move to a different, and maybe they're having trouble because that's, you know, they did talk about that. And ideally, if she had, you know, a property that didn't have cloves of butters, she probably would be fine. You know what I mean? And maybe on a farm. Maybe there's a farm in town that, you know, wouldn't mind helping her out, but I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, you know. Well, the sound is music to some people. Right. And it's like a loud Harley Davidson. Some people like that. Yeah. Some people don't. Right. And it all boils down to where it is and where your neighbors are because it's, you know. Or the smell of diesel fuel. Or log noises from the road. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of exhaust fumes. Well, that's the actual oil, not exhaust. Yeah. So let's. All right. So I will get information on the tobacco questions that you had about what other towns are doing. Is it similar? Or are we sort of out on our own? Right. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I can get that and share. All the kids will just go to train again. All right. The one thing to keep in mind, though, so, you know, if we care back on what we're doing, that's fine. But it would be nice to have, you know, a process where we're continually reducing the number of tobacco permits because that we have a lot of tobacco permits in town compared to like Sudbury Western. I mean, so that's something that probably would work well to try and get the number down, you know, and I mean, yes, the people are going to go somewhere else. I mean, there's no question about it, but it's still I think it would be a better, you know, better fit for this town to have liquor licenses and bars, too. They're actually adding liquor license. They are. Okay. Yes. Yeah. So, okay. So I'm going to move to the next thing, unless you had any other questions. Nope. That'd be good. Okay. So 252 Rice Road, aka 69 Old Connecticut Path, request for more time to complete repairs. We had sent them a legal order per the Housing Code for violation. And I think, did I share the letter with you all or no? I read something. I'm going to send them a... I'd love to see it. Yeah. It's pretty official from the attorney. And I believe, I thought I had shared it. So Dr. Renan, do you probably have a copy of it? Yes. Yes, I do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so since that time, there's been, let me just double check. I thought I saw an email from him. Good afternoon or good evening. I could fill you in on, I did send you an email with additional information since the last time we spoke. I could fill you in if you'd like. That would be great. Thanks, Anthony. I didn't realize you were there, but thank you. Well, thank you for letting me zoom in. Sure. And I definitely don't want a geese. I don't want a duck. So it was great to listen to that. And I think one of the other things, just listening as a fly on the wall, concerns about tobacco. I think one concern that, I'm not a resident, but a concern that I have is the vaping with the kids. Because that stuff, you can drive behind somebody and smell it. It smells like Froot Loops, but it has more nicotine than any other thing. But my two cents on that issue. With regard to 69 Old Connecticut Path, my name's Anthony Coletti. I represent the owner of the property. All I do is landlord-tenant law. I've done, I've been in this situation many times. So this isn't kind of new to me. To give you a background, I was contacted in early August by my client saying that they needed to get in the property. They needed to do inspection. They were having issues with access. I stepped in. I sent a letter demanding access. We arranged access through the month of August, late August, early September. We got the property tested. It came back that we did need to remediate for lead. Throughout this month, we have been working to just finalize things. So currently, we have the occupant scheduled to move on October 1st, 2026. He'll be relocating. We had a reservation for him in Waltham. He did not like it. He responded, said he wanted an Airbnb in Wayland. We responded this evening, and this is part of what I sent to you, was we have a hotel confirmed at Superior Drive in Natick, which is only five miles away from the property. We have, I provided you, I believe I attached it. It was confirmation of a road from October 1st to October 25th. So the hope is, and I also contacted the occupant this evening to let him know, hey, October 1st, we have your room ready. October 2nd, we have movers confirmed to come to the property and remove everything from the property. I believe I attached that confirmation for you as well. So October 2nd, house is emptied. October 5th, work starts. We have a contract with Hammond D. Letting and Construction to perform the lead remediation. So, we are locked and loaded and ready to go. The only issue, I know I alluded to, access was an issue at a moment. I think I resolved that. We identified a hotel. The occupant didn't like that. We found a closer hotel. I don't know if he's going to like this one, but there are contracts in place. So my expectation is if he doesn't like this hotel, I'll be going to the housing court to get an injunction to perform the remediation work in compliance with the contracts we have. So I'm just asking the board's indulgence for a little more time. I mean, frankly, by October 5th, we'll either be in the process of remediating or I'll be, I'll be in the housing court. Basically, you know, pushing, pushing an order to take possession of the property temporarily to perform the remediation. But this is something we are taking seriously. And this is something that we are getting ready to accomplish. Yes. I got fine with more time. Sure. Need a motion. I make a motion to provide an additional 30 days. What do we need? Does that equal up to what he said, the length of time? How much time, the additional time do you think you need, Anthony? If everything goes by our reservations and commitments and contracts, we should have them back in the property by October 25th of 2026. But if you want me here before that to report to the board what's going on, whatever you need from me, I'll provide written updates, whatever I can do, whatever you want. I'm here to help. You want to the end of our, so to the, when's our November meeting? Our November meeting or October? Our October meeting won't be. It'll be before that. Before that. Oh, okay. So November meeting, let me just see. Or would you rather just a date? Just a date is probably November 1st. Yeah. Yeah. How about that? That's okay, yeah. Does that work for you, Joe? Anthony, rather? Anthony? Yes, sir. Absolutely. And I'd be more than happy to provide you with an update sooner, just to give you, keep you informed about how work is progressing as well. I'd be more than happy to reach out to Ms. Jungins. I have her email address. I make a motion to extend the deadline to November 1st. Second. Second. Okay. Let's do a roll call. Dr. Genevina? Yes. Catherine Stipp? Yes. That's Bobby Francesco. That's approved. All set. Thanks, Anthony. Thanks, Anthony. Thank you. Thank you all. Have a good evening. Good. All right. Daniel, get a little extra feedback on babes and nicotine. Yes. That's good feedback. I have what I put together as draft goals. I don't know if anyone on the board has had a chance to think about that. We are still working on the annual report. We are still working on the annual report. And when I say that, I mean, we all are. That includes myself, Maura, Patty. You know, we've got to pull the data out of OpenGov and some of it's in UNIS and, you know, some of it's in Maven, which is, you know, the system that Maura uses to get, you know, the communicable diseases out of. So, and we just received our report from HRS. They'll be joining us at our next board meeting to provide in-person update and answer any questions that the board may have, as they have done, I think, in the past recent years. And so, you know, I looked at the report and thought, you know, these were some of these things were in there from last year. I've made some, you know, updates. One of them was the regulations revisions. We can certainly modify that to whatever the board would like. Some of these things are department, you know, things that we're working on, you know, working on some of our handouts and guidance documents, which is sort of an ongoing process. The viewpoint OpenGov work is significant. We've been working on that. I don't know. I mean, all of Patty, Darren, and I have all carved out significant amount of time to continually work on getting the rest of our permits into OpenGov. We have them in draft format and some of the permits that I was working on and Patty, when we did the renewals, because Jenna left, we realized that there's things we could improve, you know, and that won't be a huge lift because they're already existing. So we're looking at modifying some of those permits to be simpler so that there's less back and forth with renewals and maybe fewer questions on some of the applications. There was a little, you know, overkill and some of that stuff. I find that dealing with some towns is I'll even have an engineering firm that will file a permit in a town and they won't put the exact right filing number or something. And they won't even process it until it gets in the right box, so to speak. Right. And if you'd actually gone and seen the human, they would have said, Oh, no, this is what, this is what you need. Here you go. So for me, what I, it hasn't been wonderful, the towns that are. And I can appreciate that because I see, you know, when you're actually doing the work, which, you know, I'm not usually doing the renewals, but since I did them, I could see where things could definitely be improved and, you know, made easier for both our staff and residents. So there's less back and forth and, you know, simpler applications that might not need as many questions, but some of them do, you know, and so we're working on, we have a draft format for septic permits and building approvals. And so those are pretty, you know, intensive. So Darren's been working a lot on those, but he's on vacation right now. So we'll let him go, you know, have some fun and then come back. He's in Europe, right? Refreshed. Yes. Good. Thanks. So, you know, anyway, that has been, I wanted to make sure that was on here because that it does take a lot of time. And, you know, you can be in the middle of doing all these other things and then, oh, I think I'll do OpenGov. That's not how it works. You know, you have to like sit down for a few hours and really invest, you know, some time because, I mean, I'm no expert. So I have to sort of, you know, still learn how to do some of the work on OpenGov. And luckily we have Tom Zuba, who's the building inspector, who is really good with OpenGov. He's very savvy with it. So he's helping us out on some of that stuff. So anyway, after my long spiel that I wanted to make sure was on there, you know, we're still involved with this regional public health excellence grants, although I don't know what's going to happen after June 30th of 26th. There's no funding that is planned to continue the grant. I don't know. What did you say? June. I'm sorry. June 30th of 27th. Okay. It's all gone. So the contact tracing grant has concluded and our staff has, you know, moved on Katie, Brandon and Kimberly, you know, that we've worked with for several years. So that grant is over and this grant is still around, but we're not sure what's going to happen. So, you know, we're just continuing to collaborate and once there's new information on what happens next, we'll certainly share the board. You know, they're currently exploring what we could, you know, continue to do to share services. And, you know, we're happy to like look at other ways that we can streamline things regionally within our seven towns that we've been working with. So we're currently working on having some meetings to discuss some of that stuff. So when I have more information, I'll share that. But, you know, we do still plan on maybe the wording could be different, you know, to continue collaborating, you know, working on. So it might not be called the regional public health excellence grant. It may not be a grant at all. You know, I don't know what it will be. So continue to highlight awareness of services provided with equity and inclusion, including vulnerable populations. Continue to advance the public health nurse and CHM program focus to adjust with priorities. Staff training in areas that are recommended by the state. And significantly staff training for our new permitting assistant, and that includes cross training with Patty's role, because we really need a succession plan, you know, for her role. And, you know, she's been working here a long time and I don't know her exact plans, but I know that there is something on the not too far horizon where she's hoping to retire. And so hopefully that, you know, new person will be able to, you know, learn some of that job so that we have at least some of a succession plan. We'll see where that art goes, but, and then the public health, all hazards, emergency response framework. We spent a lot of time with the state on that, and there are certain goals and things that they have held us to, to work on, you know, regarding emergency preparedness. And so, you know, there's actually a meeting this week that I'm not able to go to because Darren's away and they can't really leave the office for an entire day. But Maura will be going to that meeting that will also be talking about the all hazards response framework. And so I'm sure she'll have some updates from when she gets back. So I wasn't sure if there were any other ideas or goals that the board wanted to add or discuss for this next fiscal year. And we still have time. This is due on September 30th. So I have to submit it on or before September 30th. And the rest of the information in our annual report is all data. And, you know, if you want to stop in to take a gander at it, I'm happy to show it to you. I just, and I'll send you a copy of what we end up with, with the draft. But it has to be submitted before our next meeting, so I won't have it. I probably won't be adding anything to this list. Okay. Are you counting? Pretty good. Pretty good. Okay. And, you know, really the annual report is a good show of our data. And they're always telling us, oh, it's too long. And I'm like, well, it shows all the work that we've done. It's sort of a compilation of, you know, everything that we've been working on in the past year. So I really try to beef it up. And every year they're like, it's too long. It's too long. And we refuse to make it shorter, you know, so hopefully we can keep some of that information in there. Not have to lose pages, but. Okay. So. Almost done. Updates. Oh, yeah. Updates and review. Yeah, I just wanted to. Um. Yeah, I just wanted to. Um. You mentioned Camp Chickamy, which, you know, had a really unspeakable tragedy there involving a tree and, um, horrible accident. And, um, there's a lot of talk about trees and sprouts and how trees are being impacted and tree safety and, you know, um, it's a very difficult time for a lot of people, you know, that work in the town, the, you know, family, our hearts go out to them and the staff and the fresh responders. Um, so I just wanted to mention that. Um, I already. I have a question about that. We had a tree recently come down in our neighborhood. And maybe this isn't our, but public health wise and water bans. And if you're not allowed to water trees, like you're not allowed to water trees and. I mean, yeah, I don't know about. I don't know about, um, the water ban. That's, you know, another whole thing that involves UPW. Yeah. You know? So, um, your tree fell because it was of the drug. I think it wasn't my tree. It was a neighbor's tree, like right across the street. And it fell down. Like all my kids lost up, but not when they were there, but it was like, wait for the bus. I'm just like. The whole tree fell down. Most of it. Wow. Yeah. And it was, um, just like, and it happened when like my husband and I were going separately to the same place for dinner. And it happened after I left and before he left. Well, so like. Wow. Yeah. That's scary. Yeah. So I just wonder, I mean, we're not allowed to water yards when the trees have get stressed and dropping. Yeah. I mean, there's extreme weather, you know, heavy rain that is, you know, more than usual. Um, you know, lightning. I mean, there's a lot of things that impact trees and I'm not an arborist, but you know, it's certainly something that is on everyone's radar right now that, you know, is, it's very difficult. Yeah. Like take trees down on your property. And, and sometimes difficult because the town doesn't like trees coming down. Well, they have been doing extra. Looks at trees, especially on, you know, um. Ground playgrounds. Now that there's a concern for tree health for sure, you know, at school areas and you know, they've been doing extra tree trimming, I think, you know, in, I don't know. If they've hit all the schools yet, but I know that they had started doing that. It's really hard to tell because a lot of these white pines, the outside layer where all the nutrients go up and down is, is perfectly fine, but they're rotten in the middle. And you just, you just can't tell. Right. And this oak tree is the same way. The cambium layer is, is perfectly fine. It looks good. But once it comes down, there's just a little bit there and it's all rotten in the middle. It's really hard to predict. It's an act of nature. Really. But that is something that I know they have been doing, you know, taking extra looks at, you know, some of the areas that, you know, in town on, you know, playgrounds and around school areas and things like that. So Julia, do they have like an arborist or somebody like we used to have somebody from Emerald Acres come over who understands the trees because my neighbor is very good. And he was telling me also about like, you can't, if you have a cluster of trees and you take a few down, their roots support each other. So you, there's, there's more than just like taking a tree down. You got to understand the community of trees too. And, and like also the pines, he said to me, don't, don't take down these lower branches of the pines. They'll come down on their own because they help to balance the tree. So you just like my, my other neighbor, they just, somebody came, they hired a tree person, but they just indiscriminately like cut all the lower branches down. So you end up with a very top heavy tree then. So like whoever's trimming needs to know what they're doing too. It's very tricky. Yeah. So that is a good point. There is a lot to it. And I know that they do have people that are providing feedback on how to trim these trees. I don't know what they're, we do have a tree warden, I believe. That's the title. I don't know the person's name, but I would imagine that person would be involved with any significant free work. And we have a superintendent that's also involved, you know, with making, I think, calls on, you know, branches and things like that, that are, that could be of a concern. But there is, there was a really good article recently. I saw, I think it was in patch that had mentioned a lot of the things that you mentioned just now. And I'm talking about, you know, groups of trees and how to trim trees. And, you know, there's a lot of information that an arborist would probably know more about. So, um, we welcomed our new permitting assistant, Michelle Boralessa, although she's not here right now, but we look forward to her coming back from her trip that she had already planned. Um, the, uh, mosquito control update is, um, we do keep hearing about, you know, someone tested positive in your area, meaning not specifically Wayland, but, you know, in a general area where we're currently at a moderate risk for West Nile. Um, however, because of how cool the nights have been, it really does have a significant impact on mosquitoes and how they're flying around. We always say that, you know, they start flying very slowly, you know, once the temperature starts going down and that definitely reduces the number of mosquitoes that are around at night. So, um, we'll definitely keep an eye on, um, on that, but there was a report that came out today. Yes. So this was today, um, you know, basically West Nile and, um, Triple E summary, which, um, I'll go back a little bit here. Brian's Barless from, uh, our mosquito control company that does our, um, catch basins and they do larva siding and they provide, you know, um, professional help when we need it for any situations that come up. Um, you know, he was talking about Triple E because really Triple E has not been an issue this year and that's because of the drought. Um, you know, however, you know, it's, it's hard to predict what will happen next year. And they're saying, you know, if they, if we stay in this rain cycle, and this was in August and get further out of drought, the Kulacetamela populations could be elevated next year. And those are the mosquitoes that carry, can carry the Triple E, um, and spread, you know, to birds and, and potentially to people. Um, so, you know, he did talk a little bit about Triple E, but, you know, in Wayland, luckily we don't have any cedar swamps. Um, so, you know, usually we're worried about, um, other types of mosquitoes. And, um, those are also, um, like container breeding. That's why we worry about West Nile, you know, cause those types of mosquitoes are usually breeding containers. So we have the heavy rains. It's important to empty out any containers you might have in your yard. Um, they did mention that the, I'm going to butcher this name, but Cochalocidia perturbans. I usually just call them perturbans. Those mosquitoes have very low numbers this year. And, um, they may come back next year if the wetlands get filled back up. So, you know, it really depends on how things go. I think probably for the remainder of this year. And if we have more rain, we're supposed to have a nor'easter this weekend, you know, so that could fill everything up again. Um, and then, you know, they give us an update, um, in the winter, you know, of like a, you know, a, um, snapshot of what happened during the prior year. Um, so far they have, um, let's see, 7,943, um, mosquitoes have been sampled and tested for, um, let's see, both Tripoli and West Nile. Um, let me see, number of mosquitoes. Yep. Number of West Nile, 327. Number of triple E positives, 21. Number of mammal species tested for a triple E, six. Number of human specimens tested, 202. Number of human West Nile cases, 11 as of today. And they've got other diseases that are reported. We've got in Middlesex County, chikungunya, three cases and dengue fever, five cases, which is interesting. Yeah. So, you know, are those people traveling from somewhere else coming here? Um, I don't know, but I am, I'm usually asking them Brian. I'm like, Brian, where did these people get that disease? You know, because it's, it's information that's interesting to know. I mean, obviously, um, you know, we would not expect. We've got a lot of cases in Florida, dengue. Right. So people go to Florida, then they come back up here. Um, we don't want to have dengue fever up here. Right. As far as the types of mosquitoes that could carry it. So that's why, um, it's important to know, you know, how they, you know, were they traveling and things like that. Um, any questions about the mosquitoes? Um, we had another successful beach season. Um, we tested for algae and E. coli and we had no problems. And the beach was open all season. So that was great. Um, we have another interesting complaint. That, um, is regarding noise on route, route 20 and the complainant is, um, asking the board to call it a public health nuisance. Okay. And that is, here it is. Okay. I believe I had shared this with you. I've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. So. Is it, it says, is there one complainant or more than one? Yes, there's one person. Because it's plural in your thing. Oh, I'm sorry. And I just wanted to make sure that it's only one person. And so. And it's moving, right? Yes. Yes. I noticed it was on a field box. Okay. Yeah. So he actually lives or lived, um, I believe at Ulta Oxbow. Oh. So it's on route 20. Mm-hmm. And what I'm sharing with you is the complaint and then a copy of what information I received from DEP. Okay. Um, and so, you know, we can talk a little bit about the complaint, which, um, you know, concerns, um, route 20. And, um, he had reached out previously and didn't get a response right away. Although he was asking for, um, information on what we can help department collect regarding these types of complaints. We don't receive complaints about noise on the road. No, that's typically the police department. And so, um, that was what my response was to that request. Um, but they're asking for an investigation into, um, how we have measured, investigated, determined, enforced, or declined these conditions. And, you know, he's talking about noise, loud acceleration, revving, vehicles equipped with loud or unlawfully modified headers or exhausts, um, mufflers, motorcycles that have been modified, trucks, braking noises, braking noises, braking noises, roadway interaction, tire configurations that are affecting homes, residents, and the surrounding community. That's a straight section of road right there that I'm sure Harley's and other cars accelerate up the hill. So, I'm sure that's very true. Well, there's other, um, vehicles sales right in Sudbury that are right next to me. All these are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I wonder, because I think you also sent us a copy of the initial complaint that was, like, and I read it. And I just wonder if this, with all the details that are being fostered instead of an AI generated. I'm sorry. Oh, oh. There was just a big difference in the language and, like, how things were aligned. That's good. Anything's possible. Yeah. Yeah. So, that is very, um, possible. Um, I have shared this with the police chief. And so, he's aware, um, of this. Although, this request is to the Board of Health. Um, regarding, you know, that we should be doing decibel testing, acoustic studies, and measurement standards. And, um, you know, that this is disturbing people's sleep and well-being and, you know, that they want us to do an investigation and corrective action. Um. Sticks. Sticks. And so, I did reach out to DEP and they shared some information regarding, um, a situation that occurred in Westboro and, um, what they did there, you know, regarding responding. And, um, but that was police and not Board of Health response. Right. Although, that's, you know, when you talk about the noise, that's through the noise regulations that are under DEP. So, you know, they were talking about how to respond to that because, um, it is a, a state regulation through Mass DEP. And, um, so, I'm just looking for the noise section. And, um, is it a state road? It is. Yes. Route 20 is a state road. Um, so, one of the comments that was made by, uh, Juan is our, um, rep in our region, um, who is very responsive when I reach out to him in case there's any questions. Um, he said, if noise testing were performed, there is no standard or criteria to assess against because there are many variables that would impact the measurement and some may not be attributed to a vehicle such as pavement condition. So, you know, and then it gets into talking about police departments have the authority to issue tickets for unnecessary vehicle noise. Um, and there's a process, you know, which sometimes DEP does get called with repeat offenders. Um, you know, but there is a process for ticketing, um, cars that have excessive loud mufflers. Um, DEP can ask the RMV to red flag a vehicle, a vehicle, a particular vehicle. So, in this state, it's actually illegal to modify a vehicle's exhaust system. So, you know, I don't know what the board thinks about this, but, um, you know, he's asking that it'd be, that it'd be considered public health nuisance. Um, and that's obviously something that the board would have to decide on. But, I mean, I feel like this is outside of our role in the health department. I mean, obviously we do come across public health nuisances, but I think road nose and, I'm sorry, road noise and vehicle, um, you know, as described in this complaint is really not our umbrella. Right. But that's something that I wanted to ask the board. Um, that's what he was asking that the board, you know, call it a nuisance. And then if it's a nuisance, then, you know, but yet, I don't know how we would, you know, standard. Do the, right, there's no standard for that. So, um, because it's not a constant noise. If there's something that is, you know, like, um, a business that is, you know, in place that doesn't move. That was a loud fan going. Right. Exactly. Then that's a lot. Um, I think more, I think that the measurement meters that they use to do these, um, noise readings would work better in a situation where something is, you know, a standalone. Um, you know, like a business or something that has some kind of chronic noise that's disturbing some. So I guess at this point, um, you know, does the board feel like this complaint is a public health nuisance is the question at hand. And if so, we can discuss it further and another meeting, but, um, you know, how many noise complaints for vehicles? Do you get a year? We don't, we don't receive vehicle complaints. That's the worst. Are we voting? Well, it's not on the agenda as a vote. I think we were just talking about it because, um, you know, I wanted to make sure we discussed it. And, um, get a feel for what the board thinks. Um, you know, I have talked with the police chief a couple of times and, you know, there are things that can be done through the police department that, you know, involve, um, patrol, you know, of certain areas. And, um, I'm sure it's not easy to identify, you know, if there's a, but if there's someone driving through town all the time that might have a, um, You know, a souped up motor or a modified muffler or something that, um, could be flagged. I mean, that's possible, but, um, I mean, that road is straight away. So I'm sure people are pedal to the metal as soon as they get on that stretch of road. But if the police are aware, they can, they're happy to pull somebody over and give them a ticket for a lot of exhaust. Yeah. How we've mentioned it to the PD and some of the bodies, they'll keep, they're going to patrol. We're going to keep an eye on things right now. I don't think we have to do anything. Do we have to vote on it? I don't think so. I mean, um, you know, it's not on here as an item to vote on. Um, it was a discussion because I wanted to make sure that we normally discussed it and, you know, could hear the board's thoughts and, you know, any concerns you might have. I mean, I can understand the problem, you know, but I grew up on a main road in Franklin on King street and that road is still the same. It's worse now than it's ever been. I mean, you got everything going down that street every once in a while. My mother was like, Oh my God, what was that? You know, it'll be motorcycle, just, you know, letting it out. And I get it. It's no fun. You know, I mean, um, it's hard to sleep. I'm sure there's people driving by in the middle of the night, you know, pedal to the metal, but, um, anyway. How would you, we couldn't enforce that anyway, other than like what Bob said, which is the cops just being there patrolling and catching people. Right. You couldn't enforce it anyway, even if we said it's a nuisance, what, what's like, what's going to follow from that. They would want us to do now, uh, noise readings and measurements and, you know, have like a log of, of information that we collect from our surveillance of this roadway. And then what? I don't know. I mean, that's a good question. So. Something about it, but it's, it's a public. Yeah. So we return back to the fact that the police would have to, that's the only way to, to, to catch it. Right. That case from Alvaro is very interesting that they said, I was just looking up the definition. So a public health news nuisance is defined as whatever is injurious to health indecent or unreasonably offensive to the senses. So, I mean, noise is, does fit in that bucket, you know, um, but you can't do anything about it. So I don't, I mean, there's no point defining it as a nuisance. Yeah. There are circumstances that definitely do fall into the public health nuisance. Um, you know, we have had one that's come in, you know, that we would consider, you know, that is noise. It is noise that is a constant generated noise. It's not from a vehicle, you know, so there are things that. Yeah. So you can follow up on those. So, yeah, the geese is a noise or the gun gun, uh, place was also a noise complaint, but that's different. Yeah. That's unfortunately, you know, people that live near the gun club that is, um, exempt from the noise regulations. So I don't know what's exempt from the noise regulations, you know? So, I mean, it's not exactly how they responded, but you know, what he said was, um, because there were so many variable variables, they wouldn't be able to identify, um, a standard to use. So it's probably something they talk about all the time, you know? So, um, I think it's also, sorry, when you live on a main road, I mean, that's what you kind of get, right? When we were looking for a house in Wayland, there was a nice house next to Happy Hollow. And my, uh, kind of a cousin of ours was very practical. He was like, go, go stand in front of that house at the time that school starts and school ends. And then decide if you still think you want to be there. You know, you have, it's part of the deal when you get a house. I mean, the neighborhood, you know? Right. Yep. So, okay. Um, onward to update on 10 short drive. This is moving forward in court. Um, and, uh, the owner had until Friday, just this past Friday, to, um, allow us in for a follow-up inspection, and she refused. And so, um, we are working with counsel to go back to the judge and find out what next steps would be, because I'm sure he's going to want someone to be able to inspect the house before something moves forward. So I believe she has an attorney that she's hired. And so, um, you know, when the next hearing comes up, maybe the attorney will be there to speak with us. So that's, um, what's going on there. Um, we also have another housing sit, you know, there's a few housing situations that are going on that we're working on. Um, this other one is, um, not as extreme as 10 short, you know, so we're working with the, um, with the occupants of that house. Um, just gives you an idea. There's a lot of work. I don't think we'll ever have a dull moment. Um, there is a, um, a number of properties in town that we're working on that are, you know, considered properties of concern that we check on. Most of them are, um, vacant, you know. So there's things that can be done that we talk about and we have been talking about, um, just to give you an idea of, you know, some of the things that we work with, um, building department, public safety, and discuss, you know, these things to, um, figure out what, you know, next steps we should follow to, um, check up on some of these properties. Um, the Lovelane hoedown is this weekend and it rain or shine. It's, um, it's, um, at Duck Puddle Farm over in North Wayland. And the reason I mention it is because there's like 19 vendors that will be attending and we have, um, vetted all of them for the food that they'll be preparing. This is a very fancy event and they have all kinds of, um, well-known chefs and people that come to this event and, um, you know, it's to raise money for handicapped kids that, you know, ride horses. And, um, so this is an event that we've worked for many times, you know, so Beth and I, our food inspector, usually we go and we do inspections of all the vendors and then, um, you know, we'll call it a day, but it's probably going to be pouring rain. So it's going to be inside that's on Saturday. So it's a good amount of work that's done on our half that, um, to make sure that food is safe, you know, at the event. Um, luckily it's not going to be a hundred degrees. That's usually the problem where, you know, they might not have enough ice or, you know, things like that. But, um, so that's happening this weekend. Um, I mentioned already an increase in, um, chicken and rooster complaints. We've had a couple of more. We're working on those. Um, oh, happy hollow school walk through. Um, I, uh, yeah. So we did that as well. They know where that says. Well, isn't that, that's in, it's in Lincoln, isn't it? Um, it may be, but this year it's in Wayland. They, I think they swapped, you know, where they have the event. So they're not having it at the Love Lane. No. The horseback, right? It's actually in Wayland at the Duck Puddle Farm this year. I don't know where that is. Which is, um, in, you know, northern Wayland, right down, you drive down, um, um, Hazel Brook Road, or not Hazel Brook. You go around. I don't know if you've been down that road before, but. I don't know. We haven't totally worked on yet. Around there. Yes. You go around the road, not this road. I think it's, I. It's okay. I've got, I've got the app, the app right there. Yeah. It's, it's, I don't know exactly which road it's on. It's Lincoln, Lincoln Road. I just looked it up. So it's on Lincoln. It's on Lincoln Road. Okay. Yes. 48 Lincoln Road. Thank you. Yes. That's exactly right. And it got pants. Yeah. Really? So, um. And they're in. And French Lake. Oh, is that who's gone? Oh. Those are the two bands. Isn't it where those, uh, horses are the, the, uh, what do you call them? Kids. Isn't that, now that's Waffen. It is a, a beautiful property. Yeah. Although it may not be on Saturday. So. This is supposed to be that. I don't know. There's a nor'easter that there's. One to two inches of rain here and then like, like up to five on the Cape. Yeah. 50 mile. Hour wind. Oh, no kidding. What's that? Saturday? Saturday. It's basically like three days. Yeah. So, um, getting back to Happy Hollow School. Um, we had received that complaint that I shared from, um, you know, concerned staff. And, um, so I made an appointment and we met with Mike Faya, who's the facilities director. And also met with, um, the building commissioner, Nate Maltynski. And, um, we reviewed the, um, complaint and set up an inspection for August 26th, where we did a walkthrough of the whole school and the classrooms and office areas. And went over the complaint. And, you know, the problem was that it wasn't very specific about this problem is here, you know, like telling us where, you know, we did a general inspection. We didn't see anything that was, um, alarming or concerning. Um, and they had just cleaned the school and preparing it to open. Um, you know, we did notice that some of the classrooms had a lot of stuff and that it's hard to clean around stuff, you know, when the custodians are doing their cleanings. So that was something we did talk about with Mike. Um, and then I know that they had done a significant amount of cleaning up on the side of the school where there's a storage area and they had a dumpster and, um, you know, basically it was all cleaned up into the dumpster. By the time we got there. By the time we got there. So, you know, if there was like junk sitting around in that, in that part of the school, they had decided what to keep and what, you know, get rid of. And they've already done all that. They've done all that. So, um, we didn't see or smell or notice any rodent problems or odors. They do have a pest company. So, you know, that's where it gets a little difficult because where was the rodent problem? Was it in this, you know, there's so many classrooms. So if someone told us there's a rodent in this classroom and it was in the ceiling, you know, like we would know what to look for. So if someone follows up with more specifics, you know, we'll certainly follow up on it. Um, we also had a food inspection of the cafeteria. You know, all the schools are inspected before they open. And, um, there were no issues identified there. And there was some testing that they had done back in, um, last fall, it looks like. Um, so, you know, and then. And we don't have standards for mold. So, you know, that's like the Holy Braille. Basically, you know, um, we look for, is there evidence of water leak? You know, has the leak been fixed? Then you fix, you know, whatever the damage was. And, um, that's how we typically approach leaks and problems related to, um, you know, roof damage or whatever the problem is. But we don't have standards to use to like check a report against, you know, so because there are no standards that makes it more difficult to, you know, address some of these concerns about mold. So, um, you know, obviously cleaning and making sure there's no active leaks or, you know, any damage that, you know, is caused by elite is fixed properly. So, um, that's basically what we would be looking for. Um, and, you know, sometimes you'll see, um. Um, and you could see, you know, the report that they provided from the, um, hygienist, but, um, you know, some people are probably definitely more sensitive to mold than others. I know I am. And, um, you know, if you have a lot of plants and things like that, that can, you know, be another source of mold because you're watering your plants and, you know, the water can leak sometimes. And, you know, just the plant itself can have, you know, um, depending on what kind of plant it is. But, um, there was an area that, you know, there, they were, they said that they were going to be cleaning up too, which is actually outside. You know, this area that, um, has like a koi pond and, and stuff like that, but it's outside. And so, um, they did mention they were hiring someone to do, um, some of that landscaping because there were, it was definitely overgrown. So this is, um, nobody signed their name to it. The report. No, the letter from. Oh, I know. Yeah. It's anonymous. Anonymous. And, and they, they actually threatened to ratchet it up if they couldn't get things. Right. So that's, you know, what I told Mike is that, you know, I don't know if you know who the person is, but, um, you know, specifically. If there's a problem, we need to know, you know, where is this problem? You know what I mean? And that way it helps us do an inspection. If we are involved, really, it should go to facilities. You know what I mean? Yeah, but the air quality was fine. Yeah. Oh, I don't know. Um, but some of those classrooms should definitely be cleaned up a little bit. They had too much stuff. I mean, I get it. You know, they probably have games and, you know, all different art. Yeah. They have stuff, but you know, it makes it harder to clean up too. So, so that was our findings there. And, um, let's see. Oh yeah. There's a Wayland Hazard Mitigation Plan public meeting on September 23rd. I will be joining that meeting. You can join via Zoom. They're encouraging board members to join if you're able. You can zoom in. It's quite a, um, it's quite a report. There's been a lot of time spent on it by many, um, people in town, including, you know, health, conservation, building, fire, the front office, the town manager. Um, you know, numerous other departments that, um, have been involved in, um, DPW town engineer, you know, I don't want to miss anyone. There's many people in the town who have been working on this plan. And so if you're able and interested, um, you know, we've provided some feedback, we've got some things on there that involve health department, um, where we may be, you know, help assisting with a task or, you know, leading something. Um, so that was something that is important to mention because a lot of time has been spent on that. And so, and that's updated, I think every five years, I think is what I heard, um, Oxbow, fats, oil, and grease investigation memo. I wanted to mention that because, um, they're trying to set up, um, inspection. And that was something that was, um, brought up by Abby, the town engineer who we've met a few times. And so I'm curious to see where that's going to go because, um, it sounds like, you know, based on what I've read, they're still not doing what, um, they've been asked to do. So, um, holding on to see what's next. Um, can I ask you one question? Sure. Have you been to this hazard mitigation plan thing? Yes. What does, what are they perceiving as the biggest hazard that we're looking at? Or what, what are we, what are we strategizing against? You know what I mean? Like a public health thing? They talk about flooding. They talk about, um, different hazards in town that, um, are of a concern, you know, like the Snakebrook Dam. That is being fixed right now as we speak. And other areas that, um, could be looked at more that are, you know, there might be. So it's individual things. It's not like a global event that's going to happen and the whole town will be disrupted. It's more of these individual. A lot of it's related to storm related events. Um, there's various things that are earmarked with different, like responsibilities depending on what department you're in. So, um, you know, I can, I don't know if I've shared a copy of it with you, but you'll see it at the meeting and I can share what we've seen recently. Um, just so you can leaf through and you can see what they have listed in there. It is interesting to see, you know, because, and I mentioned, oh, well, you know, there is. We should add somewhere in the plan, and I think we will, that, um, when there's an event that's a significant flood. Like many people on Pelham Island Road have no way to get to civilization, you know, there's no way to get public safety over there and there's no way for them to get off their island. And so in the past, we've had duck boats shuttling people back and forth. Um, you know, so I was like, well, what's the plan? You know, so that's, you know, it identifies different things, you know, that could be hazards and, um, ones that we're aware of. Ones that are being looked into, some that involve a lot of money. What happens to terrain? That happens. Right. Well, that's. That's. Well, that part. That's where it was. It wasn't all that hilarious. The parking lot. Oh, yeah. So I can share it with you if I haven't. Or I would just be curious. Yeah. Yeah. It's, um, it's an interesting read. So I didn't actually, they probably have, um, the draft that's going to be talked about is probably somewhere, you know, that people can look at before or maybe, you know, I'm not sure. I can't remember if they had the draft up there, but they're, they're going to go through, um, the draft to take public comments. And so if you have public comments, you could provide them at that meeting. Um. And so, uh, Kray Tom. There's a Kray Tom ban in Massachusetts now. And I took the time to read through all this stuff that Olivia Dufour shared with us, which I thought was a lot of great information and, um, we can send a notice to all our retailers saying, you know, on this day, you know, Kray Tom was banned as a controlled substance, blah, blah, blah. You know, there's this draft letter. Um, so that's what I was planning on doing, you know, sending it to our retailers. I don't know what will happen going forward. Cause I guess the ban is effective through August of 2027. So we'll see what happens next. Um, have you seen it sold in Waylon? No, I have not. Um, and I'm sure. Well, I can't be sure, but you know, during the tobacco. The tobacco inspections, if they saw it, they would have told me, I would think. So unless someone has recently stocked it up, but they probably haven't because the ban just happened. So, um, I don't think it's in Wayland, but if you happen to be in one of these stores, you know, take a peek, but I am going to send this letter. So, um, I didn't know if anyone had any questions about Kray Tom. Um, it's, um, the, the order covers any product held out or holding itself out to be Kray Tom and any product containing. Um, and I'm not going to begin to try and say some of these names, but there's one, two, three. Well, isn't there like bath salts in the past that they were. Well, some people use it as, you know, um, a type of a supplement that is supposed to help them, you know, and I think when we talked about it one time in the past, someone zoomed in was debating that, um, you know, the use of Kray Tom because it was just being talked about, you know, was starting to be talking about. But, um, I don't just don't know anything about it, but that's fine. I don't. I mean, you know, it's a plant native to Southeast Asia that contains several psychoactive alkaloids, including Mitra the nine and seven. Sorry. I can't. The plant-based Kray Tom naturally contain both Mitra nine and seven Oh, these alkaloids may also be extracted from the plant or produced synthetically. Some synthetic or highly processed products may contain substantially higher concentrations of seven Oh, then are typically found in the natural plant. Depending on the amount used Kray Tom may produce stimulant like effects, such as increased alertness and opioid like effects, such as pain relief and sedation. Synthetized since the sized products typically contain higher concentrations of the naturally occurring substance that I can't pronounce or synthetic derivatives of Mitra guy. So, you know, I think people are using it to, um, feel better, maybe using it if they have an illness possibly, but it's not. Or maybe instead of the nicotine patch. I don't know. But I think because of the problems that the risk, that's why they're, you know, that's why the vein is in place because it was being misused, you know. And, um, I'm sure there's stories that Dr. Anand may have heard about this product being used. Yeah, I had a patient who she was in rehab and she got off, uh, narcotic addiction, actually, and she was using this. This was like about 20 years ago. And she said to me, Oh, it's natural. It's fine. You know, but she got addicted to this and then she had to go to rehab for this. I mean, so that's what the, that's why the government governors probably come down on it. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Very addicted. So, um, if there's no other questions about Crayton, we've got general business, bills, minutes. Yep. Did everyone have a chance to look at the minutes? Yes. Yes. Mm hmm. Okay. I make a motion to approve the minutes from one five 26. We have a second. Okay. Okay. Dr. Genevieve Annette. Ella Epstein. I wasn't at the meeting. Okay. Kathleen Stipp. Yes. John Stern. Yes. Dr. Bob D. Grinchester. That's approved. Minutes January 5th, 26. Minutes for 20, 23, 26. I make a motion to approve the minutes from February 23, 26. Wait a second. Second. Okay. Dr. Genevieve Annette. Okay. Dr. Genevieve Annette. Andrea wasn't at that meeting either. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chat start. Yes. Dr. Bob D. Francesco. That's approved. Minutes to 23, 26. Okay. Great. Thank you. So, yeah, I was just, um, I wasn't sure. We have both dates on the calendar because I was not sure if the board wanted remote only remote only or hybrid. So. Why was it remote only? Because, um, for whatever reason, um, there's certain days when they have too many meetings that, like, they only have a certain number of meetings where you can do hybrid because. The, um, technology to do so is, um, you know, conflict, more complicated than doing just hybrid. Okay. I mean, than doing just remote. Yep. So that's why. And, um, I'm fine with either date, but I wanted to make sure that you knew that, you know, because we don't often do remote only. So, you know, I wasn't sure if, um, you wanted to do that or do the other day when it's, um, available to do hybrid. Do hybrid. Do hybrid. Do hybrid. I love you. What do you guys? That's fine. Unless you need to get another meeting in Baltimore, then. I can, um, if we do need to, I can reach out again, but at this time, I don't think we need one. Um. 1026. 1026. 1026. Does that work for you, Dr. Anand? Um, just a second. So you, it's going from the 19th through the 26th. That should be fine. Okay. Right. So we wouldn't have a meeting on the 19th. Okay. If for some reason we need one, we could do the 19th, but, um, I don't have anything currently on that, um, unless we get an application for an animal keeping comment, which we probably will. Yeah. So. I was thinking and I just want to say it. So that's, um, that's a, that's a, that was a difficult situation. I mean, I, I did feel empathy for the owner and the, um, and Sandra, but I feel like it was the right decision that the board made because really that's why we have these regulations. And, um, so that's all, you know, anyway. Can I make a motion to, um, close the meeting? Do we have a second? Second. Okay. Dr. Jaramina? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. John Storm? Yes. We have a couple of guys called meetings adjourned. We have two people at the party. We have two people at the party.