August 14, 2025 – Economic Development Committee – Video & Transcript

August 14, 2025 - Economic Development Committee

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Rebecca Stanizzi: So we will get started. So this is always the meeting on perfect All right, so this is the EDC meeting for August. It is based on hybrid. We're both in person and remote. We have two three members in person, Katie Karen. I can't even speak this morning. Katie Karen and Becky in person. And then we have David and Val. Actually, Val's now joined and Jeff remotely. So one may watch or may participate remotely, with the meeting link that can be found on our agenda, pursuant to chapter two of the acts of 2025 this meeting will be conducted in person and via remote means, in accordance with applicable law, this meeting will be recorded and made available to the public on WayCAM as soon after the meeting as is practicable. So with that, we will start, and we had someone for public comment, and he just disappeared, so we'll wait for him to come back. But ultimately, in meeting minutes, they were circulated right after the meeting. Last time, anybody have any comments to those questions? Otherwise, anything from online? Nope. All right, do I hear a motion to approve the minutes? Karen motion, very, second, second. Katie, second, all in favor. We'll start Roll Call. Katie Katie Noble Harris: Aye Rebecca Stanizzi: Karen Karen Kelly: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: Becky aye, Val Val Ilchenko: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: David David Vallari: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: and Jeff Jeff Vecchio: aye, Rebecca Stanizzi: all right, past six. Oh, so as we wait for him to come back. So Tom, I know you have limited time. You have, like, a first half hour. And I think, Val, no, it was David who said you have the first half hour, I think. But Tom anything you wanted to raise or elevate as an issue off our agenda to address? Tom Fay: not particularly just to observe, nothing really, to report from Select North perspective. Here for questions. People have questions, but Rebecca Stanizzi: okay, and we have our public comments are back. Did you want to make public comment? Unknown: No, okay. Thank you. Okay, all right. So Tom, the one thing I did want to ask was, I think there was some discussion that of the next select board meeting, you might be talking about the route 20 master plan. Is that on your guys's agenda as a topic, or no, or Tom Fay: that probably won't happen until September. Rebecca Stanizzi: Till September, all right, okay, so I put the fiscal year 2026 goals at the top of the agenda, and I recirculated sort of our wheelhouse chart. Figured that we would kind of introduce it as an issue. We can all kind of think about it a lot more over this course of this month and kind of finalize next month. So this list was kind of it basically was for David coming in and knowing who was on first and second, third, and then all of us kind of rethinking about what we're working on and what we want to prioritize on. So the question is, you know, is there anything on this list, or anything that's not on this list that you would want to add as a goal in the next year, and particularly those things that you personally want to pursue, because it takes someone to carry the water to make things happen. So was there anything that was not on this list for particularly Katie, I know you've had a bunch of ideas or otherwise, Katie Noble Harris: I don't know if this is worth our while, but I know that this had come up at one point, the idea of getting convenient or gas stations, the right to open convenience stores. And I know that that has to go to public to town meeting, yep, I don't know if that is something that we would want to consider. I think Unknown: it's one of the questions, and like the route 20 master plan to and the question is, you know, you do start in one area, or try to do it per day town. It's almost easier to start in one area, and then it all wraps back into the route 20 master plan, because that's sort of the natural spot for it to start to figure well, otherwise, I mean, ultimately, this really just get you to it by Mels that has the mobile but ultimately it's kind of we have, I wouldn't say dilapidated. We've older gas stations in the route 20 corridor. So yeah, we can sort of put that on as an item and kind of think that one through we want to fight on that zoning. Val Ilchenko: I don't know if it's just anecdotal, but the fact that the Framingham gas station, right on the border here is being rebuilt with a huge convenience store does suggest that there is some desire for that sort of thing. I mean, that I'm terrible with geography and Wayland still, but it's on that same road as lane. So if you keep going down towards Natick, like they they basically like raised the old one, and they're opening up a huge Mary lose all seasons. I don't know if everybody, well, wants that size one, but point being that you're seeing something in close proximity with with those characteristics. Unknown: Yep, yep. It's really typically the convenience store. That's the financial engine that makes it worth, financially worthwhile to do. It. So part of it is exactly that, and you do the zoning so that you don't get this behemoth, because clearly they want capacity about among all else, right? So it would be writing the zoning to do that and figuring that all out. So I think that's front and center as I was doing the the presentation for the route 20 master plan, like, what are the hurdles to development in route 20 corridor, and that's clearly one of them. It's just like, what is holding us back in certain things and what targeted things we should be looking at so which were never really addressed in the master plan. So that is definitely one of them. Anything else to add to this list? Or new ideas? Val Ilchenko: More, more of a question? And maybe this is actually where Tom being on. Could be useful too. When somebody has like a development, like an Alta, Are there restrictions around having retail on the bottom of it based on Wayland zoning, or is that just a preference of the builder at this point?
Tom Fay: Well, depends where you are in Tom, but yeah, basically so depending on the zoning in that area, Val Ilchenko: okay? So it's not, there's no full restriction, though. It's just depending on where they're trying to build. Got it, okay? Unknown: Well, it's specific, like all the oxbow is an example. It doesn't have retail on the ground floor, but it has the possibility that could have a cafe or a pub, right? Because wanted to be a community gathering place, so it has to be written in the zoning. If it's not specifically allowed, then it's not allowed. So by a negative, right? So right now that's the only thing that would be allowed, because otherwise you'd have to change the zoning. So to put commercial in a residential property, it would be tough, like, if you want to put commercial, I don't like in Commonwealth residences next to the preschool on route 30, they wouldn't have the zoning to do that. So it's really just a factor of what's in their existing rights in their zoning.
Jeff Vecchio: Does that make sense? Becky to to pursue just by right, mixed use or so just going to be on a case by case? Zba type of thing you have to demonstrate Unknown: financial hardship. So I don't know if CBA could do it, and I don't, I don't know if, like, residential areas would necessarily, I mean, it would be, that'd be a lift, right for getting people comfortable with an as of right commercial use in a residential district, that'd be kind of tough. But it's something that you know, like, ultimately, if you want to get it to feel more mixed UC and kind of how, how small towns used to be. Frankly, it's just it would be a zoning exercise. So we'd have to make a do a zoning change and get it approved through the town. Val Ilchenko: Is it worth, at least, you know, as one of the initiatives like doing a little bit more research. I mean, I'm hesitating a little bit here, because we have, you know, empty storefronts elsewhere. So it feels a little tough to be talking about this, but I think that assuming those storefronts can and will be filled, you know, it is worth considering if there's any utility. Because one of the things people worried about, just to kind of finish my thought, is foot traffic. However, when you and there's plenty of examples, both in Massachusetts and nationally, where the benefit of the mixed use building is that you're getting some guaranteed foot traffic from somebody in that building, somebody in that neighborhood, etc, so that the coffee shop or whatever has a more consistent crowd. So it might be worth at least doing our, you know, doing some research and a memo on what the viability of that, if that would increase either interest in, you know, building those kinds of things in Wayland, and if there's a desire for it, frankly. I mean, that's the survey question always, right? Do people want that? Unknown: Yep, do you have in mind in a certain area? Or is, like, where do you have in mind to put it, Jeff Vecchio: I really don't I think it should be by right and on the route 20 corridor,
Katie Noble Harris: or even in Cochituate, like West plain road, it feels like there's like kind of down near the stop light near the high school. Feels like there's some spots there where it makes sense. Unknown: Yeah. So sort of two directions. I think Val, you're saying being able to have retail in the commercial district. I'm sorry, retail in a residential district. I think Jeff, you're saying having residential above. You're having mixed use in a commercial district, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the mixed use commercial district is that's, that's definitely something that's in right now in the master plan. So that was the thought process. How do we get more residential and housing mixed in with some of that commercial, which then engenders the foot traffic and all that kind of stuff. But it's interesting concept. We haven't really thought about putting commercial and residential, but we have to be really careful on where it is, and kind of you'd have to target and make it really understandable so people understand that it's not going to overrun their neighborhood, but it could actually being the small mom and pop business, or something that is basically more attractive than something that's a standalone retail or residential, Val Ilchenko: yeah, yeah. And there, I mean, there are lots of, again, I'm not saying this is necessarily what everybody in Wayland wants for an example, but there are lots of examples kind of closer to the city, like Arlington, Medford area, where there is. Exactly that, right? You have, you know, a restaurant or a coffee shop or something else, or a few things that are kind of attached to a building, therefore they get a lot of business, both from from the folks there and from others. So it kind of increases the attractiveness of that, of that type of business, yep, I say this all under the context of a number of the businesses that we've reached out to on a standalone basis have now said like, oh, there's just not enough volume in Wayland. And so how do you increase volume for a coffee shop? As an example is, you have people who, you know, can go downstairs and get not just, you know, drive by having Unknown: to drive there. Yep. Okay, we'll add that one, any other ideas or otherwise to add, Katie Noble Harris: I think that we did Rebecca Stanizzi: such a good job and collecting information for people, even after, think I have 50 more, just from the last time I dropped the Google Form and said, Hey, we want to update, and I would like to I think we should do this more regularly, send updates, whether it's monthly or every other month. I think that that's a really important piece of consistently educating the public about what's happening, bringing transparency. Think Katie Noble Harris: that's a really good point, and I feel like it might feel redundant to us, but I think Rebecca Stanizzi: it's not for people who are not plugged in. Yeah, exactly, exactly, just, I don't know if I know we have talked a bit about, how can we span our communication footprint into the Wayland posts, and if there's a consistent way to do that,
be happy to try and explore that
kind of prove what's being printed before it's printed, what we're doing with another group I'm involved in right now. So Katie Noble Harris: yeah, yeah, I wonder if, now that they've seen the infographics, and maybe after we do, like, a newsletter or two, now that it's like, we were to approach them again and be like, hey, Unknown: yeah. I mean, they're taking, you said you're working with another group. They're taking contributions from writers. So we could just throw out something in a minute. They're looking for content. So yeah. I mean, we could just, you know, you know, that would reach absolutely everybody, because it goes to their mailboxes. So I don't know if he they do like a standing column, but I think that we could be submitting, you know, once a month, which is every other issue, something like that. Yeah. So be coordinated. You have to look at their deadlines, but yeah, yeah, make that like part of the chain of communication everyone? Anything else to add on this list? Ed lane, yep,
Katie Noble Harris: all right, and I'm like, hesitant to add anything else, because I feel like this is just putting Unknown: everything on. And then what we did before is, so I'll send it to everybody and rank them, like is, you know, one is most important, five is least important, or vice versa, one way, and just everybody just sort of doesn't. I'll collect the data, and we'll see what, and usually what falls out, because you can't do everything right? So most of it is just getting the ideas on the page and then pulling everybody and seeing, okay, where do we actually want to focus in the next year? So what I'll do is, I'll plan to kind of put this up in like, sort of a polling. And so literally, you would just look at each topic and it's kind of a one through five, and what you think is important for EDC to be doing, and then also on the topic you're noting whether you're willing to carry water on it right? Because there's only so many things each of us can do. So part of it is, what do we as a group want to do before we add one topic everyday, green is important to do, but nobody could do it. So it's like, you know you gotta, you gotta decide what you want to do. So if you have, like, in the next day or two, if you have anything to add to this list, just email me directly. I'll put it on and then I'll circulate around that form, and then you guys can just get back to me at your leisure. And then I'll compile the data, and then we can talk about it next time we kind of come to closure and figure out what we want to be focusing on for the next year. So that is that the initiatives, route 20 corridor. So Wayland, Village, I'm trying to remember the last time we met. Had we met with terrain yet? No, no. So you guys want to update in who we met. If I wasn't there, but I just, it was just Katie. I interested here. There you go. There you go. Her name was Jennifer. Jennifer, thank you. Yeah. Katie Noble Harris: It was a great meeting. She is, like, super interesting. Is clear. Has put so much time and energy into making this come to Wayland, yeah. Was giving us just some background on, like, the process. To get it to Wayland, which I think was kind of Unknown: Yeah. And her outlook, she is the kind of the lead person for all of it, for all the terrains, right? So she goes in preliminarily, and she works on all gets them up and running, etc. So she is not just this one, but the overall global. So it's just yeah court, and she brings that here, and she has that long term experience that's Katie Noble Harris: important context. Yeah. So we met with her the afternoon before she was presenting at the zba one more Unknown: sitting so or DRB, DRB, DRB,
Katie Noble Harris: and just showed us the plans. And according to her, which was the end of July, it seemed like everything was moving ahead to sign the everything mid August. So it seemed like everything was proceeding. They got their liquor license, which I know was important for them, especially for the restaurant, bar space, yep, yes. Unknown: And then we introduced the concept of doing sort of an overall green corridor marketing, which she was very much attuned to. And we let her know about Lane sake and Weston. And she literally stopped by on her way out. So I think that there is something interesting there that we can kind of as we get closer. Clearly, they're, you know, they're not going to open until next summer, but to be able to talk with her and introduce her to all these places she was really interested to hear. And I told to connect with Russell is about the local farms and local providers. So I think that they would be very attuned to kind of doing something. We didn't talk specifics of, will you do a website for us? We kind of did, I think, but I there's sort of, I didn't, she didn't initially jump on that right away, but it's just there's so many possibilities there. So I think as she gets closer, and then once they get their building permit, then you can, kind of, it's always a scramble. To get to there. And then once it starts, I think they'll probably, I would guess, they'd be more more proactive. So I think that there'll be a really good contributor to the neighborhood, the corridor, the town. I think they'll be really good to plug in so and Tom wise, looking at next fall, sorry, opening up next summer. Yeah, it depends on when they get their building permit. But they were talking about they had to get most of their permits be able to close on the land, so they should. What's Jeff Vecchio: interesting is, I'm just looking at public record. It has not traded yet. So,
Unknown: yep, sales, no, but it sound like it was just they were going through their their process and getting as much done as they could. So I think they're at Board of Health right now. They're talking with ConCom. They actually sort of proactive in creating more pervious surface than was there. So everybody sounds like they're they're in a good spot. So, Katie Noble Harris: and I think what's kind of interesting about the project. I mean, obviously things might change as things move along, but they are planning on adding many more trees to the property itself, where there's existing trees. And then it sounded like, correct me, if I'm wrong, that can be adding more trees to the front of the property, Unknown: the parking lot, in the parking lot, yeah, which is great, yeah, yeah. Baron, Jeff Vecchio: right now, what about too much hard scaping, Unknown: yeah, yeah, yeah. So everything they sound like they're doing. So, you know, they went to DRB originally, there were some suggestions, you know, what the back of the building looked like, comments on colors, things like that. And again, they then they really took it to heart and made some good changes. So, you know, the one thing DERB is like, well, it doesn't have to be dark brown. And they're like, that's our brand, right? And so, you know, some things they held to, but what they could integrate in, I think they did, and it looks like they did a nice job on so they seem to be very attuned to making a good project, which is great, right? And Katie Noble Harris: also, like, another interesting note that I think it's just good for you guys to know about, is the property is owned by Grossman, like, actual it will be right, will be so that's the people that are signing, like, the final purchase and sales agreement. And then urban, which owns terrain, are going to be a tenant. Yeah, the tenant of it. But it sounds like really close together. But I just thought that was interesting to know about.
Rebecca Stanizzi: How long has Grossman own that bar? So they haven't bought it yet. They're the ones buying it, so it's cats properties that owns it right now. Oh, yeah. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. Five apps now, and train is the 10th plugging Katie Noble Harris: in. Yes, and train is the one that's doing all of like the the light work around the town, right, right? Because it's approvals for their use. Yeah, but yeah, and they're doing all of this stuff, like the Board of Health, the liquor license, all that sort of stuff, before they sign the purchase and sale. So that, like them. It can definitely happen. Yeah, I think they signed the purchase and sale, but before they close, oh, before they sorry, yeah. So, yeah. So hopefully not on plastic. It'll keep going in the right direction, which is great. And then Duncan Katie, you'd been, yeah, talking to them a little bit. I reached out to the times I heard back last night. We just couldn't. Open up the email, let's see. I heard from Nicole Sullivan, who's one of the owners. She said they received their decision in the mail and plan to file for a building permit once the appeal period is full. Verse 824, we passed our initial plan review with the Board of Health and are moving forward with them. So it sounds like everything's kind of moving forward, yeah. Rebecca Stanizzi: And you did ask them if they could mow, I know Tom that's on your radar. Can you please just mow your lawn? Yeah. I mentioned that before, and then now it was just, yeah, quite high, yeah, yeah. But also, others are quite high in the quarter, and that's a whole nother topic. Yeah, so, but it's right. So they thought their building permit then, you know, by the time they build out, it's, you know, it's probably going to be November, December, I would guess by the time they're ready to open up. So it's going to be a little ways, always down the road, but well, it should be well in advance of of terrain. So, so the pre order pickup window overlay, so the the listing of fast casual restaurants and coffee shops. I know Karen, you reached out to one of the sources, but just kind of keeping that list moving and reaching out to parties. So I haven't looked at it in the last month. I'll be completely honest. I don't know if you guys have any updates. I don't have any. I can reach out to Joe on my list, I haven't heard back, but I think Katie had sent around a graph. That's right, yes. So I think that we should talk about that, because I felt a little bit like I'm not. Are we going with it? We haven't all proved it bottom line, and I do think we want something uniform for outreach. So I don't know if we want to talk about it now or we want to. I'm sorry I didn't put it up. You mean the bullet points? Yeah, just that formatted email that we can all just copy paste everyone, yep.
So it is in everyone's email, I believe. Okay, so Katie, if you can resend it right after this, sure. And then again, if you have individual comments, send them to Katie. She can kind of collect them, and then we'll circulate, if you can circulate a revised one before next time. And there was also a list that you had put together in the last meeting of like, who was going to reach out to, what, where? Make sure you're putting meetings next to Yeah, maybe research that too. So we'll, yep, by next month, we'll have a finalized draft, and then Id reaching out who's reaching out to whom? Yeah, perfect. So we armed and dangerous. And yeah, the right direction, yeah. Katie Noble Harris: And I think that that's part of the master spreadsheet, but that's only viewable and make you I think you are one of the editors. I think you are, but it bounced back to me after we share it. I think I did, like a long okay, but I think that that's on that document. Unknown: Okay, alright, so we'll refresh that, recirculate, and then we can, because nobody's going to be around August anyway to be sending anything this month. So yeah, so we'll just do that perfect route 20 master plan, and sideways and curb cut engineering. So route 20 master plan I was talking with, Tom a little bit, you know, we haven't given a specific recommendation to the Select Board. And so I pulled together, actually, literally took waylands Master Plan, and I took West Congress master plan, and I said, Give me a comparison of, you know, what one plan has, you know? How can we make waylands plan better? By looking at the West Concord, and literally, it's fit out these six points. And it's just like, it's kind of crazy, but I added to it, like some specifics, but ultimately, you know, it literally said the Wayland plan. It's, it's vision focused, which is sort of just kind of global, but it's light on all the implementation stuff, versus the West Conference plan, which is, you know, focused in this multi disciplinary, like all the stuff we were saying, It highlighted significant unity input that that was synthesized. They were saying, the the zoning strategies, design guidelines, implementation matrix is huge. So we as a town, we do master plans, and then they just sit on a shelf and they nothing happens, like, Oh yeah, 20 years later. Look, we did that master plan. What did we actually do? And it's not usually a lot that's happened. I think Bill strolling did a five year refresh at one point. But if there's, if there's not a tracking tool, it's just going to fall off people's radars. So, so the goal being, you know, AI gave this the six steps, which I added a little bit of detail, but most of it came right from that. So it's literally, you know, the first one focused on community, multi disciplinary, Team outreach, specifically for us as polling, getting that buy in interactive design. Charette, synthesizing all the results for, I say, added a comment I hear a lot is remove that current plan phasing, which is super confusing for people. They don't understand. Why is that happening? First? That'll never happen. It's just people get stuck on it and they they're in, stuck in the forest of trees, right? So just not that's so arbitrary. Just don't have that. And then communicate, communicate, communicate before, during and after the process. Civic identity, conceptual visuals. It said, you know, our plan is really light on visuals. They're not very sophisticated. How do we get better visuals? Often, like zoning codes, will have the really good ones will have visual elements to show exactly what the criteria are. We don't have any of that, and we know our zoning code is really our cave. But the more visuals, people will flip through a plan and see it, and they'll understand from the visuals, even if you can't get them to go into the text. So you're a huge fan of visuals, yeah. I mean also, because from a from a from two perspectives, one from visual spatial perspective. Like, I have a lot of trouble, like, I need to see it, you know, I even looking at, like, the overhead of down here. I get confused so. But I also think, like, I think what comes along with all of this, like an intention. And I think, like, that's the biggest piece that's been missing, is you have to have an intention to town to involve and if our intention is to involve public, then we need to make it easy for them to understand and be able to say yay or nay or provide it. But, and part of that is the visuals. Part of that is the vernacular, which is addressed in here. I just think, because otherwise it feels like, Well, why are we doing that. It's like, if our intention is to get public input, this is really important, as we look at all of this, right? Yep, Tom Fay: need to hit the road, but on the topic that you're thinking about now, if your committee does some consensus we want to make recommendations into our board. Since you are advisory to the Select work on this topic, I invite you to do so okay, we Unknown: will definitely submit that. And thank you to get it on the radar. Tom, just so you're aware before I lose you on the curb cut and sidewalk. Talk with Michael McCall. He said, go ahead and talk with Tom holder, who I did. Tom is pulling together some RFQs. But he said, this is perfect for a task force, because it should be the same group who's working through the whole time, like it was exactly the same discussion, so it's very timely. So, like, it'd be great if this can get going, if it's still going to be bogged down for a while, then maybe we just do a working group, just like Bill sterling is doing with the design guidelines to get that bird cutting sidewalk, because it's going to probably be a lot of the same people, right? So if we're getting bogged down in process, let's just get these things moving right. It's just like we can't sit, you know, sit around talking about these things forever. Some of these things, particularly, we approved a town meeting for this fiscal year to be doing this activity. And nothing is happening right now, but this is the perfect time to get it going. So one way or the other, we either, you know, peel the onion and do it in different layers or do a single onion. But you know, ultimately, how do we get some of these things moving to move forward? So yeah, Tom Fay: and again, I invite your committee to discuss it, and if you have recommendations, pass them on a lot more until we can, we can consider, okay, Unknown: thanks for your work. All right, thanks. Bye. So the focus of community will do the intention to and I love that phrase, so that's good, because it's meaningful, like you are meaning to do it the visuals, adding zoning, regulatory strategies I added in the third point on that slide is address and review current regulatory constraints or hurdles from parking requirements to septic requirements to join wastewater right now our zoning is a little wacky. Is to tie into the wastewater system, you need to show that you could build a septic system on your property. Why? And originally it was done to kind of limit development, right? But now it's why you want to tap into the sewer, because you don't want to have a septic system. So why should you have to do that? So it's that's one of the things that holds things back. Business size limits. That's why we don't have a whole foods, because the supermarket was not big enough, outdoor dining, gas station, convenience store, Ban, residential, commercial districts, all that stuff. So right now, the master plan doesn't get into what are those hurdles? And then what do you want to change? And that's a lot of what a master plan usually is. And then the key being wastewater is huge. Wastewater is such a driver in this district, AI recommended because West Concord did, but it's good ideas sub area planning. So the whole district is not the same from beginning to end. Like now do the historic it's different than Town Center, which is different than Rail Trail adjacent, which is different. You know, it's like, even though it's not that big of an area, they do have different focuses. So that was actually an AI suggestion. I was like, this data works, create design guidelines, and they go, West Concord had robust ones, and then Economic Development Strategies number six. And so I you know, outreach to all the local property owners, which we need to do. One of them consider targeted small local grant program for a. Improvements. You know, train is coming in using a meals tax and targeting those short dollars, but making them make a difference. And as I dug in, we do not have a meals tax. We don't we. I thought we did, we don't. I was like, because what Ashland did? They put the meals tax in place, and they use those funds to have an economic development drug. Yeah. I'm like, Oh, well, that horse is out of the barn, because we already have, we don't have meals, tax set. Somebody doesn't have to go to town. It would. But if you targeted, and it's part of the master plan, if you took those funds, and whether it's economic development director, or if it's route 20, beautification, like that business district, like any restaurant that's in that district, those funds are, you know, like you work with a local landscaper or whatever. But how can you leverage those funds, which would otherwise just disappear in the overall town? Revenues? Have them make a difference, but, yeah, we don't have a meals tax. What percentage does that usually look like? It's like points. Think of your max out of like 75 basis point seven 5% so it's not a huge amount of money, but it's, you know, it's probably overall, I don't know what our rest, Jeff, what's the typical? If you had to guess, our restaurants that we have, like local, is probably what, four or five, 4 million a year. Maybe, do you know, what are gross revenues? Yeah, yeah. Like typical, like the local or Takara, Jeff Vecchio: I mean, locals probably doing like, I don't know, maybe 500,000 something like that. Five 600,000 up to a year. No, actually, you know, wait, what? No, I would say no, they're, they're doing a million plus. Like a local, like a sub shop, is probably doing like, Wayland, House of pizza is probably doing, I don't know, maybe 1012 10 to 15,000 a week. So what's that? 15,000 probably 15,000 times 12. Yeah, they may be doing 200 250,000 a year. I mean, it all adds Unknown: up. But if you have $10 million in total food revenue, say, across all the restaurants, then that's $75,000 yeah, so it's not a ton of money, but it could make a difference, like everything where, you know, you have the weeds growing out of the sidewalks, and it's on, you know, it's on the State Road. So the state's supposed to Never will you Jeff Vecchio: add, once you add urban in that that's, that's going to be a million dollar tab, easy, you know, probably, probably five, you know, who knows, maybe 5 million? Unknown: Yep, yep. So in passive work, the businesses paid us to the town on an annual basis, yeah. So it just added on your tab, because right now you're charged, what, six, six and a quarter, which is typical, just meals tax for the state, yeah, and you just add on that extra 75 base so, so you just pay 7% Yeah, and then they just, I don't know if it automatically, I don't know. It's probably just, like, it's a state tax or local tax, so it probably just goes right to the town. So, yeah, it seems like, so how would we implement something like that? What we need to do, uh, actually, we don't have Tom, but we can, we can find that out. I think it probably has to be, you know, like a town meeting thing, because it's budget. But one of the things we're supposed to be talking with FinCom. So we should talk with them, you know, that's one of the ideas of, okay, well, what if we did a meals tax, not to get a huge amount of revenues, but to use that to leverage and and do other things. So that's what, yeah, yeah. Jeff Vecchio: Becky, that reminds me kind of just like little bit of an offshoot of that. And I know it's not a big market in Wayland, but is there a short term rental tax in in Wayland, like a lot of communities, Unknown: I don't think there is Jeff Vecchio: no. It's a huge market, but most towns do have one now, yep, and it's, it's up to, you know? I mean, I know in some communities, I pay up to like two Rebecca Stanizzi: and a half percent, right? Jeff Vecchio: Two, no. I mean, no. I mean, like in some communities, like down the cape, I have to collect almost 15% short term rental tax, 15% Wow, yeah. I mean, it's a little more, it's a little more aggressive down there, down the gate, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, I forget what it is in Boston, but I mean, yeah, you're definitely pushing a double digits, and most of these communities now for short term rent, they really want to put them on a par with hotels. So hotels are operating at a disadvantage. Yeah, I know it's not a huge market in Wayland, but there might be more of that going on than than you think. So, you know, Katie Noble Harris: that's what Jesse does. I just like, the other day, I think there's, like, 12 houses Rebecca Stanizzi: for rent, yeah, okay, okay. I'm like, how big is that? You know? What about any Jeff Vecchio: that's all the ones you it's all the ones you don't know about too.
Rebecca Stanizzi: Like, are there? Like, there are because Oxbow with the rentals, right? Yeah. Okay, so that would also be qualified, right? No. Because it's only short term rentals, so it's usually a month or less. Yeah, they always have longer. But yeah, because that's a problem, they're competing with hotels, and hotels are paying lodging taxes, like all that stuff. But these weren't so all the towns and cities, especially those in the sea post and you know, they have a ton of these properties, so it makes sense. But yeah, yeah. And so part of that you won't get a lot of money, but if you take it and target it and leverage it, you know, do something better with it. I elevate the whole district so, but yeah, so that was interesting. I thought that we had no sense. I No idea. Well, there you go. And then considering branding, video world, route 20, green quarter, which we've talked about, but didn't, you know, clearly. IA, it's not going to spit that out. Katie Noble Harris: Just Yeah, one thing probably with these taxes, though, and I don't think that we should, it probably goes to the bolt. Doesn't just go to like a district. Tell us Unknown: the question ultimately, you know, if the restaurants are near here, can the funds go here? And if it's constituent, then it funds like community or commercial district improvements in each of those areas, right? That's a question, you know, do you do it across the whole town or because ultimately, the restaurants here would be much more attuned to being in support of it if it supported their district, right? So I don't know this, and that's question, I don't know if you can, so Katie Noble Harris: it might be a little Unknown: So, okay, so anyway, it's on the list. It's on the list. It's on the list. Implementation matrix, clearly, that's huge, and West Contra does a great job. So the final is building upon the current initial efforts, and part of it is even the title of this, like improving the route 20 Semester Plan, sort of politically, like, how do how do we build upon initial efforts? How do we build upon what's been done? We're not blowing up what's been done today. It's just taking it to the next level, identifying, getting new consultant detailed actual tools, community outreach, zoning design, economic policy, usefulness for officials, developers and public in the moderate audience. So all those things is why we need Task Force to do this sort of thing? Because it is multi dimensional. And maybe there's something in here about, like the public, like, maybe there's something about the way we title this, there's an implication that like about improving public participation in the 29th floor, but because that's it's not exactly just that, but I just think as an idea for us As we, yeah, Katie Noble Harris: put it together before we submit.
Unknown: So So I guess the question, yeah, it might be useful seeing this and again, like we might talk it through with the Select Board, but most people see this, right? They're not going to hear the conversation necessarily. So maybe it's like a first page saying current status, like, what, what are the goals? And that's where the intention comes from. So it's like, why are we doing this? And then AI compares between the two. I think, I think you're right. We need sort of that, that interest line, which gets into the spirit and intent sort of thing. All right. So if we do that, anything else to add to any of these slides or otherwise that kind of occurred to you as you were thinking it through or have been thinking it through over time. Katie Noble Harris: I mean, this is a lane example, but I just wonder if it needs some like visuals just to like, bit little exciting.
Unknown: So just add kind of generic ones, like some pictures of Town Center and maybe metals, and I don't know something, Katie Noble Harris: yeah, just like a little bit design, like,
Unknown: are you thinking just people shots and making it human? What do Katie Noble Harris: you Yeah, I think just a little bit more designed to keep, like, I don't know this is like a little design, like, maybe some colors, just to keep it like a little bite sized moving, let me help work on this with you. Yeah, so Unknown: I think that's kind of visuals, right? Anything else to add substantive? No, okay, so with that, just to keep this moving, because Select Board may be talking about it September, but we need to get on their agenda. Get on their agenda. And that's the problem. It keeps not getting on the agenda. So we need to submit it so they can kind of digest it. So do we have a motion to approve the general content and work internally and then be able to send this, basically this framework, to the Select Board? So do I hear a motion for. That motion to complete report and send the Select Report. There you go with this content, with this time. Okay, do I hear a second? Second? 82nd All in favor. 80 aye. Karen aye, Becky aye, Jeff aye. Sal perfect. And then we lost, actually, like nine o'clock. David left, all right, fine. So we'll get that moving so we can get it officially in their impact, so they have something to respond to. Existing quarter conditions clean up, so the Strategy and Outreach. So Katie, right now we had our working list you are going to try to take a walk through. Every time I drive through, I see something else. There are tons of just garbage signs, and you're not supposed to advertise for things that are not on your site, like all this stuff, even like the Russell sign, I'm sure, is not permitted that has the letters like next to the tractor that's falling apart. So yeah, I think that we just take a walk, but also have visuals, because then we'll have a picture of each thing and it just again, like people will kind of understand it. So, so maybe you said you were busy, like the next, kind of through August. You want to do it in September, or that sounds great. Okay, so we will do that just as a heads up, kind of overall route 20 master plan, and it's the design guidelines. So Bill Sterling had gone to the Select Board requesting that, essentially, the town work toward revised design guidelines. And then further in that part of that exercise is to create very simple zoning inserts to our zoning for basic design criteria, particularly for route 20 corridor, and get those, bring those to town meeting this spring, so that they are on the record and ready to go. Because Tremaine is going to open, Duncan's going to open, there's going to be more activity. So let's make sure we don't get more dentist office like that doesn't quite fit in. So at the Select Board, they said, you know, you're essentially DRB is already working committee. So you guys set up a set up a working group, so it's great. And then they love the idea of being able to get that zoning, getting that moving, so he's going to be setting up sort of a small working group, and then ultimately working with the planning board to create that zoning. So that's good news. So that's sort of that good basic step, even if we can't, like, get the whole thing moving, let's get things in place. And we don't want to miss next town meeting because it's just going to be we're going to lose another year. Yes, we should put somewhere. I don't know if it's ultimately on something like this, or if it's on our monthly agenda as well as something at the top. I don't know. Maybe it is. There's certain specifications that need to be met here, but like, town meeting, like, so that constantly have it in the front of our minds, like, what are the things that we are trying to accomplish at the next Tom meeting? You know? I mean, like, what are the what are those priorities? And then that way we can constantly be kind of referencing, like, are we moving that forward? Yeah. Are we meeting the DEP Katie Noble Harris: and along with that, sorry, this just dropped my memory also having Robert at the beginning of the meeting five minutes, Rebecca Stanizzi: we'll say what's new and what's coming up. Yeah, see, on vacation. I think he is on vacation this week. Yeah, he said he was out. So town planner update at the beginning, like right after public comment. See, okay, so Collins market, so there was basically on social media. The woman who had been looking around to do what she calls townhouse, is the name of it, cafe and Bistro. So she apparently has bought the building. Is a process, in the process of buying it, so reach out to her. Okay. Oh, okay. What was her name? Kristen.
Jeff Vecchio: Where is this? Unknown: So this is Collins market. It's that across from the heard house near the library. Is that that call the building the old building, historic one with the white columns. It's not a market, really. It's just like a two story office building. I Jeff Vecchio: thought that the guy from Senate owns that. Oh, so he's selling, he's selling building. Or is it, I know it was, it was condos. Is he selling the whole thing? Rebecca Stanizzi: He said, Sell. She said, purchase. Yeah, Jeff Vecchio: because I know it's for individual condominiums. So I'm just curious if it's one unit or yeah, if he's buying the whole thing, because I know he put one of his real estate offices in there, Unknown: yeah, yeah. So I think her big hurdle is going to be parking. Yeah. So it does nightmare parking, yeah. So I think she was looking to the town to be able to use either the library parking was that's already a hot potato, or the parking at the depot, right? And that's, you know, it's like, everybody's already complained about people using that parking for the bike path, so, I don't know. And, yeah, so on street parking there, and I think, well, there are there, like, four spots with their service, yeah, yeah, there's parallel spots there. So on a street, yeah, on the. Street, yeah, yeah, yeah. But can Katie Noble Harris: it be considered, like, like, a city thing? Because, like, like, I think it like Starbucks in like, I don't know. Dave square, there's enough parking for all those people. Like, can it be zoned a little different, but there's nobody walking there, yeah, Rebecca Stanizzi: yeah, streets or other lots, whatever. There's just no here you're not Yeah, and if it is popular, all you do is think about the Starbucks parking lot, which is a like, right? So I don't know. I mean, she needs minimum parking for that required use. So I don't know. Is there enough space, essentially, to able to drive in area and then parking time building. Jeff Vecchio: You don't have any setbacks there. I mean, that's that's practically on the property lines. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, she could maybe do an agreement the the the veterinarian building, and I think I don't know if it's the spa building or whatever it is, wraps around the back of that, you know? I mean, I don't know if she could have an agreement with them to use some of their parking after hours when they're closed. Val Ilchenko: That's I was looking at too. It's not just the buildings in front of it, the wrap around it, but the lot right next to it. There's a lot of parking back there too. So there are sort of two adjacent business areas, like, I'm looking at the Wayland website file there, I'll, oh, there's no chat. But if you look at it's like, called form B or whatever on the Wayland site. It's got the assessors map. Like, the building next door has what looks like a ton of parking. Unknown: Building next door. What's the, you know, what at which? Now, there's, there's,
Jeff Vecchio: I think it's, I think it's the spa building the summer. What's it called the, Unknown: well, it's the the doctor's office, it's the old Insurance building. They're the ones who have parking behind, and then, and then it's mood spa, and then it's the so that, Val Ilchenko: that's, that's one area, but I'm thinking the, what are these? I don't know if these are residential. Unknown: It's the Wayland depot parking. Is that what you're looking at along the bike Val Ilchenko: path? It could be, it's basically on Cochituate Road, instead of, because moods and all that stuff, is on Pelham Island, which Jeff Vecchio: is what you all are, yeah, you're thinking of the DEP board building. Val Ilchenko: Yeah, the DEP building, yeah, that looks like it's got the the best option, other than, like, if Verizon is willing to give up some space Rebecca Stanizzi: their their lots pretty tight, you know, they get two cars in there, and it's busy. So I don't know how she's getting around that, but she would need to use parking that belongs to the town, which is going to be a little interesting. So I a little interesting. Jeff Vecchio: So to rent the Santander Rebecca Stanizzi: building? Great. Sorry, that's okay. What was that Jenna, Jeff Vecchio: so tell her to rent or buy the Santander building. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Val Ilchenko: I mean, the depot is a good option, honestly. Like looking at the map like, that's probably the best bet, and it's very close by, Does, does that require approval from, Unknown: oh, absolutely, yeah, you'd have to have a long term lease. And, yeah, I don't know if that's going to be doable. That's the question mark. But so Karen will? Karen will reach out again and find out if she's kind of cleared that hurdle. Presumably, you know, she can tie into sewers. That's not an issue, but I don't know. But apparently she's in the restaurant business, or was right, isn't it? Or hospitality something corporate and then, but now serves as director, or somewhere at a it's something farm, but I don't know if it's farm, farm or as it gets, yeah, yep. So for what Val Ilchenko: it's not for, I know that's not amazing, but six, it's not for Rebecca Stanizzi: the public parking Valley. You're saying, Val Ilchenko: yeah? Like, if you look right in front of the building, it's, it's a little bit more than that, Jeff Vecchio: yeah. The problem is, though, when you go by there in the morning, it's the Chiropractor patients are vying for that. There's, like, the little real estate office, the Comrie. I'm shocked when I go by in the morning that, like, all those curb spots are, like, taken, you know, the employees of the chiropractor, you know, they all park Val Ilchenko: there. Yep, there's Becky. Jeff Vecchio: Is the DEP property? Is that town owned? Or, Unknown: I think so, because otherwise, it's, you know, it's state, it's along that, that railway bed, but I think the town does so. I mean, clearly it's, Jeff Vecchio: I don't think utilized. If that's underutilized, I mean, that that would be a decent way to try to, you know, lease that back for parking revenue. I agree, if it's totally underutilized. I mean, I mean, I've never seen it Val Ilchenko: capacity like but it always seems like it's got some spots. The other quick thing, though, is like on Pelham island itself. Just look, I don't know what kind of process this is, but like, you could probably add, it looks like you could add a space. Or two. Like, it seems like there's just sort of dead space that's not a driveway or anything else like that. So one other thing to consider is just whether there's opportunity for them to add a few more spots on Pelham. You know, I'm looking on Google Maps, so, like, maybe I'm missing something, but I'm seeing, Oh no, there actually are more spots than that, there are a few spots, and there might be space for more, but there's 123456,
Jeff Vecchio: I think you really need some dedicated parking, though, for a concept like that. Rebecca Stanizzi: Yeah. I mean, I do agree. I think the depot could be a really good Jeff Vecchio: option. I mean, that's like that would kill two birds with one stone, potentially spur some economic development if you actually have a restaurant or market going in there, and then get a little revenue back from the town just for using a wasted parking lot.
Unknown: Agreed? Yep. All right. Going to reach out to Kirsten, try to get a hold of her and see where she's at. Yeah. All right, perfect. All right. Uh, Town Center. So town centers on the market. Nobody's heard anything the bids came in. Jeff, have you heard any chatter in the market at all? Usually it's just definitely quiet until a sale box, but Jeff Vecchio: yeah, no, it's right. It's it's been quiet. I mean, I can reach out just as an FYI and just see if get a pulse as to whether it's under agreement. Rebecca Stanizzi: Yeah, if you can find out anything, it's great. Usually, if they didn't get the number they wanted, you would have heard by now, you would say, but who knows? Who knows? So we'll keep our ear to the ground on that one. So ribbon cuttings, one of each you want to update on a discussion with the larger group. We met with Michael McCall and Nina Mary from Land Use and Planning and and Robert internal planning company, and essentially what we're doing together like a little bit of a sort of a ribbon cutting. It looks like a Nari created a like a group in Microsoft. So now it's, we're all kind of looped in under one ribbon cutting group. And I think Michael was asking someone to take the lead on this, like some inbound comes. And I think Robert said, yeah, he said he would delete on that. Yep. So, so, but, but the, you know, land use is like the one place where every single business, whether they're switching sites or new to town has to come through. So she is going to be the holder of the master list of when people are coming to town or moving. She adds them to the sheet or updates their address. We have, you will have access to it on a on a to be able to visualize it. We will not be able to add content, but we will be able to have line sight into it. And then Katie, you had created a master list of what we had compiled and shared it with her. Yes, yes, this week. So we should have something from her in the next week or two, I would say, some kind of master online document that she has edit access. We just have visual access, and then that way we're all kind of looped in together on when a new business is coming through. And this aligns nicely also, because believe it's part of Robert's goals for the year to make sure the group and credits happen. So it's great that we can all tie together that way. I did reach out to United Volleyball Club. I'm meeting with them tomorrow morning at 930 so I saw a dumpster. Dumpster is a good sign. Yeah, in the back, yeah. Demo starting. Layered away. Love to help. Oh, perfect, perfect, perfect product. That's that. Did he say when they're opening? I did not. Okay, because before it's going to be fall, and it's going to be fall, like in two weeks, so yeah, I presume they're missing that deadline, but Okay, so, yeah, so getting that process going, which is great, it's kind of plug and play, and we hear and then we all know what we're supposed to do, and, you know, like even checklists and understanding, you know, press releases and getting the information out. So it's all good Unknown: splash pad. All right, you guys, actually. So Dave is not here, but Val team, splash fed, yes, latest and Val Ilchenko: greatest. Well, so we, we worked on the memo. It's, it's out, it's circulated to you all. Now, I think it has all the changes that Becky, you suggested, Gene suggested, you know, Katie and Dave and I are aligned. I think so at this point, it's just about getting everybody else you know, Jeff and Karen, any thoughts you have or feedback, Becky, any other edits you might have after, after you saw the final and I think it's it's done, so hopefully, hopefully we're close.
Rebecca Stanizzi: Yeah, I would love to read through it in more detail. Yeah, so, but I love that you. Guys have the comps in here from other towns, just like so important, I think getting anything done, Yep, Val Ilchenko: yeah, yeah, it's got other success stories. It's got costs associated and tough considerations. I mean, outside of the memo, it sounds like the things that we've run into, some some walls around are, you know, there have been some concerns flagged. Can keep me honest, if you remember otherwise, but around like whether recirculation is allowed, and what the considerations are with with water in that area. So Unknown: what about next steps? I guess, when you like, what's the action item? So the question is, with all of this, if people are on Jennings, okay, what are the next steps? And so if you guys kind of thought through that, because if you present to the Select Board, well, what do we do with it? We wait for them to think it through like you need to, okay, what do you want the Select Board to do? And you guys thought that through a move, is it creating a task force? I'm like, No, Katie Noble Harris: I think that there's a couple of people, key stakeholders, someone should probably talk to so there's that person in the Public Works Department, Tom holder, not you had sent an email. You're like, I think you're in the meeting with the building department. Someone at the end of the hallway open my email. Oh, facilities Unknown: guy, yeah, yeah. Michael, Michael, Michael, yeah. Okay, disaster, yeah. Katie Noble Harris: So I think we need to talk with him. I think we probably need to have another conversation with Jean Milberg. And I think someone had suggested Historical Commission, because that is kind of like near some of the Okay, Unknown: you could, I mean, in the writer, you could have, like, a game plan and talk to these people now, because I think it's important to talk with the facilities guy, right? But it to do list, if this is moving forward, we would talk to these groups. Is your discussion with Catherine Brennan in here, yeah, Katie Noble Harris: so see David, and I went and talked with her. I've asked her a couple times for a statement of support. She said that she would give that. She was really excited about it. She felt like it would solve a few problems that the rec department, not problems, but like things that they wish that the town would have specifically like the amphitheater, because they want to have like public events for people. And if you look at like one of the last stages, it's kind of like a pretty environmental amphitheater. So you could have like bands, or it could also be this programming space. So she was really excited. So she was really excited about Val Ilchenko: it. The other the other one on here that I still have a note about is Julia from the health department. That doesn't sound like he was able to get a hold of her either, right? Katie Noble Harris: Yeah. So I think David tried to talk with her. She was on vacation. Yeah. So facilities, health department and I think Council of agents, those don't say, okay, probably like the three that we need to Unknown: connect with, yeah, I would say, before you submit it, so counseling, you talk with Julie Katie Noble Harris: support about it, or we have not connected with her, but I know she's super important, Unknown: because if you had one section, which literally was outreach to town departments, and then a quick blurb of what the response is, you know, like breakfast, like this is exactly what we need. And blah, blah. And then to blah, blah. And then, since you've done your homework, yeah? And it's like, oh, well, you know next steps, you should go talk to facilities, or go talk to Julia. Like, I mean, you've already done it, right? Yeah? Well, that would be great just to summarize your guys's thoughts and then be able to kind of spoon feed it, okay, somewhere in your sure is like, estimated cost and whatnot. Yes, do you have any proposals for how it gets paid for? Or Val Ilchenko: there were, there were a few ways that could get funded. I think every it's been a little bit now I have to go click on but, yeah, there are a few ways to fund it that we have proposed, Katie Noble Harris: probably a private, public partnership. You know, private. I think that we, when we talk to the Council on Aging, one of the things that I want to talk to them is using, like, their umbrella organization as a 501 c3 for private partnership. So Rebecca Stanizzi: also, you should definitely talk with Community Preservation. Val Ilchenko: Yeah, that was the first Yeah, Unknown: Preservation Committee, yeah, because they do our ca funds, they're sitting on money that you have to use for recreation, conservation or affordable housing. Val Ilchenko: We identified work Community Preservation, seeing if the town manager's office had any capital funds, and the remaining Town Center gift funds, recreation or public works budgets that may be available. And then the other options where you have public or private grant sponsorships, perhaps working with the RECs department, yeah. And then the other option was, like strong community groups and local businesses may be willing to contribute, similar to what act and did with their public private support for their playground or Western did, yeah? Which was built entirely donations. Katie Noble Harris: Well, yeah, what was the five of them? C3, that you were mentioning that you have Becky, so the Council on Aging, they have 501, Rebecca Stanizzi: state, DEP, umbrella, friends of the COA, okay, just like the library's Friends of the Library, okay. Do they have some potential funds there? Or you're just thinking, that's how you would raise the money. Katie Noble Harris: That's how we could raise the money, yeah? And because they have a connection with the town, It like makes the proceeds to move between that and the town to pay anything I'm gonna be gonna get half of it raised, you know? Yeah, what is the ballpark? Yeah, I think it really depends on how robust we want it to be. Yeah, it's sort of Val Ilchenko: the range is a little silly, but yeah, it's anywhere from, let's say realistically, it's anywhere from one to 600,000 depending on if we want a pavilion, if we want amphitheater seating, the complexity of the splash pad, whether there's a playground involved. But I think on the low end, you're talking about in the ones, and then on the high end, I think depending on if you have a playground, Jeff Vecchio: let's go, let's go all out, let's go. Well, I mean, Val Ilchenko: it depends, right? I think there's a lot, there's, frankly, a lot more, in my opinion, ROI anecdotally, if you do it all right, to Jeff's point, I think if you do the amphitheater and the playground and the splash pad, you're kind of guaranteeing maximal, like, foot traffic and interest into Wayland, and by extension, the surrounding businesses. Versus if you just do a splash pad in a vacuum, you're only going to get kids who brought their bathing suits or parents who are younger, versus if you have the playground, you get people who are going back and forth. 100% Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, there is utility in doing all three. And I think that there's certainly a case to be made for wild three with net the longest term return. But, you know, it's a lot more money, so maybe, maybe the the splitting the baby here is having a phase plan where we we recommend doing all three, but in the following order, yeah, Unknown: let's definitely talk with Susan Weinstein, who's been doing this for a long time. We should just sit down, have a meeting with her, or a Zoom meeting or something, and find out what funds are available in CPA funds. Because often, you know, when we did main stone and the the conservation restriction like it flattened it right? It's just gone. So I don't know how much money they're sitting on and how many people are kind of going after things. But she may have a good sense, because if there's, we could potentially get, you know, 500,000 is very different than, you know, we only get 75 right, and it's, it's strategize around it. So we should definitely Jeff Vecchio: Becky. Could you? Could you remind me do, or anyone? Do we need any sort of Zurich or TBD ownership approval to do any of this, or is this strictly town? We need Tom land and Unknown: yeah, so we need this. You're part of the overall condo, so to speak. You have to notify them. You can basically do what you want within the confines of the sidewalk, but you do need to give them notice. I don't know if there's design stuff, but you know, you would, you would clearly bring them into the process, because they should be helpful versus a non helpful, and they should actually be contributing and some money so, but I don't Jeff Vecchio: remember, actually owns the land where this stuff would go on. So this town Unknown: owns the green and the town owns the land Community Center sits on, but as soon as you get the sidewalks that becomes Missouri or the new owner, so it pretty quickly you'll start overlapping and needing easements to get to utilities and, you know, all that kind of stuff. So it'll be, it'll be a thing. Katie Noble Harris: But if we can get the Tom to kind of approve this, or at least give a tentative, then thumbs up when we're when the town is talking with that new business owner, they might be able to say, Hey, this is coming to Jeff Vecchio: Yeah, so it's a clearly a win win. If, you know, if, if anyone really thinks about it all, and I think to to Val's point, if we did the whole kit and caboodle, I think we're much more likely to raise more fundraising dollars. I know the cost increases exponentially, but I think you could get a lot more support with fundraising efforts, with a public private partnership type of thing, you know, if all of a sudden you're trying to raise funds, not just for splash pad, but, you know, an amphitheater, plus a playground, plus this, plus that, you know, I think, think there'd be a little bit more excitement around a fundraising campaign for something like that. Rebecca Stanizzi: It also, I think the more intergenerational you can make the amenities the better, right? The more universal Katie Noble Harris: It is, yeah, yep, yeah. Also talked about things like on the amphitheater, like, maybe this the face plates on the steps, but have people's names donated. Maybe benches have names. So Unknown: yeah, people love to do that stuff, yeah? So, yeah, that's really good ideas. So I. Eric Finch,
so I think if we all kind of comb through last thoughts, but I would definitely, I think you definitely have, you don't already have a section that is feedback from the different departments Absolutely, like you've done your homework, because otherwise, oh, it's pie in the sky, but you haven't really figured out logistics. Like, I've talked to XYZ, you know, everybody has been talked to, and then you're like, oh, they know what they're doing, right? Jeff Vecchio: Becky, quick update. I just, I sent an email while we were chatting to the, yeah, sorry, to the lead, to the lead broker in Wayland Town Center. They had eight offers, and it's under contract.
Val Ilchenko: All right, all right, I'm surprised. Jeff Vecchio: Eight offers is that's, that's pretty impressive. I didn't think they'd get that kind of interest in it. Val Ilchenko: They must. They must think that it's a like clear opportunity, at least. So that's promising, Katie Noble Harris: yeah, um, is that something that something that we could post on social media? What do you think? Jeff Vecchio: No, I would wait for it to close. Yeah, yeah, there's this. There's probably this, probably still a lot that could go wrong. Yeah, it's good to know that there's probably people standing in the wings who might jump in if it falls out of contract. But I that that's, you know, I'm surprised it had that degree of activity. Rebecca Stanizzi: Jeff, what do you think of the price? You think it was priced fairly? Do they under price? Jeff Vecchio: They didn't price it. It's like a seal, yeah, it's like a call for offer seal bid process. So, you know, then there's a lot of moving parts in this property. So I wouldn't even be able to venture a guess where it's going to trade. It's just so many dynamics of this thing. But I mean, clearly, was the supermarket component of it that people are after to get eight offers, you know. So people must think that I don't know that that's Stop and Shop is doing. Well, I'm not so sure about that, but that that's the Rebecca Stanizzi: wings in the wings, that's the king, that's the kingpin. Jeff Vecchio: Piece of the deal is the supermarket component, Rebecca Stanizzi: Yep, yeah, yeah. It's good to know. That's good. To know. That's good. So, yeah, so if they're under contract, and these are in dv, which means the money hasn't gone hard yet. So, and it's like, to Jeff's point, anything could happen. So you never know, until you get out of DD and the money goes hard, and the deposit goes hard, and then they Val Ilchenko: What's that process typically take? Unknown: Typically a DD is like, 30 to 45 days, and then, you know, beyond that, you typically have 3045, days to close. So, you know, but yeah, so, you know, from July 9, if they designated, then, you know, we were always thinking like October ish, except Things were moving forward. Jeff Vecchio: Are they gonna, are they gonna run into any 20 1e environmental hair on this Becky? I Unknown: mean, they've got to get all up to speed on what it is. And so, you know, one of the parts of is that we put the zoning for MBTA communities to do resi there. But, you know, Raytheon is not letting go. So, you know, there's, there's definitely environmental that they have to get up to speed on, and whether or not they're putting any value whatsoever to that resi zoning is all what Jeff Vecchio: I mean, are they, are they going to get a are they going to get a clean phase one, or are they going to have to go, like, right to a phase two on this, Unknown: there's been so much documentation on the site because it's been cleaned up over the last 10 years, there's really of information. So yeah, there's an AOL, they'd have to get up to speed on all the existing documentation. So, yep, yep. So it may take them a while, Jeff Vecchio: as long as the debt markets don't get wonky, you know, and they can see their way through that it probably should close,
Unknown: yeah, October, we shall soon find out. Okay, so before we leave the splash pad, so I think we see our next steps. So if we can, if you guys can integrate all of that, get us, like, maybe a week beforehand the next meeting, and then we can all just sign off and it's ready to go, and maybe we want to meet. I don't, depends on you guys, like, the first week in September to be able to get it on everybody's radar sooner, because if it's CPA, it's town meeting. So you know, a lot of this stuff is, I know you guys are rare to get going. I know David wants to send it out. But some but so maybe we meet the first week of September and be able to release it. Maybe we can just meet, just on this topic. I don't know what you guys think. Katie Noble Harris: That's fine. I don't know what your schedule is like. I just worried that we won't have enough time to contact some of the people for the feedback section. Val Ilchenko: Yeah, that's that's the biggest challenge. I mean, I know sometimes David is like, Oh, I met up with him. Like, I'm like, What do you mean? You met up with him? It's another day. So sometimes he does, is able to do that. But I agree, I think that it might be hard. Why don't we tentatively pencil it, you know, for them, and see if we can even get traction, and if we have enough of a critical mass, so maybe Katie. David can divide and conquer, see how many people we can actually talk to between now and two weeks from now. And yeah, Unknown: oh, so the rest of August or Okay, okay, all right, so maybe it is just a regular meeting. I just know you guys were wanting to get it moving, so Katie Noble Harris: you want to talk with David? Val Ilchenko: Yeah, I'll talk to him. Yeah, I'll talk to him and see if we can what we can do, and maybe we'll just make a decision after that, if we can actually work in three weeks. All right, just, I do have a hard stop in like, a few minutes too. Unknown: Jeff, you can hang on or, you know, in a few more minutes, Jeff, you're on mute.
Jeff Vecchio: Yes, yeah, perfect. Hang on. Val Ilchenko: All right, four is enough for a quorum. Yes, okay. All right, yes, thanks, guys. Talk to you Unknown: later. Bye, bye, thanks. Bye. All right, so val is count 45 All right. Sound green activation. I'm just going to combine these two, because they're sort of all part and parcel. So communication infographic four which I did print out. Need one. Thank you. All right, so Jeff, you I printed out the infographic for which Katie had sent around. Katie Noble Harris: Sent it last night, Jeff, but I can email it to you on,
Jeff Vecchio: is that the Wayland master business thing? Rebecca Stanizzi: No, so it's, I Jeff Vecchio: have, like, I have, like, the 10 tabs open here, and Rebecca Stanizzi: it's an 88 box, yeah? Katie, no Jeff Vecchio: infographic, yes. Hold on a second here. All right, Katie Noble Harris: there's still a bunch of information that's missing, but this was just like the rough idea and Becky, I know that we have talked about on the back side doing like a map or some type of listing of all the businesses, which I think is a good idea. I think that would be great to include. I know that you had put some stuff about some specific businesses, like, which has the best pizza. Just took that out because you want, like, yeah, local to be like, or, I don't know why, Rebecca Stanizzi: yeah. Jeff Vecchio: Could see that causing some issues. Yeah, Rebecca Stanizzi: exactly, exactly. Katie Noble Harris: So first section I just ended in because I felt like, where is Town Center? Maybe people don't even know.
Unknown: Most people know. I think that's a safe one that we could but calling it Town Center Plaza, I don't know that's the thing, because it's so poorly named, that's the problem. It's just so bad. Jeff Vecchio: It's so misleading. I know it's like, terrible. He Unknown: brought this up with us the other day, but was actually, I think it was terrifying. He was like, please. Anyway, I
Rebecca Stanizzi: know. I know, as it should, yes, yes, it should be a destination. But anyway, so, well, wouldn't it be, instead of having this here, couldn't we have like a, like a shot, like Katie Noble Harris: a picture? Great idea. Unknown: Yeah, picture the sign. And then everybody knows, yeah, yeah. And then you don't have to, you know, show, not tell. So, yeah, you can, can drop that. Katie Noble Harris: And then I'll just do below it, Town Center Plaza updates, 305 Boston plus road. Rebecca Stanizzi: Great dress. Right below are all of them, 305, possible, I don't know, because they're Andrew ABB and Alyssa. Yeah, picture will do it. And just say, you know, route 20 across from Russell's on Sudbury River, whatever. Yeah, okay. But also say, like, we should call, we should give the volleyball club. We should use the proper name for it. Yes, yeah, yeah. I
Katie Noble Harris: What is it called? Boston United Volleyball Club.
Jeff Vecchio: Should we put a border in there? About the arts Wayland space being also Unknown: it is actually found. It's the middle yellow block at the bottom. It says K arts. Katie Noble Harris: Sorry, this should be arts Wayland has returned. Jeff Vecchio: Yeah, but who told me, Becky? Someone else this Becky, when you introduced me to them, they are going to allow their space to be booked for outside uses, Rebecca Stanizzi: meetings and gatherings and yeah. Okay, you can
also throw sure down there. Like I've been seeing this picture circulating. They have, they put a picture up on Facebook of their sign, their signage outside there, yeah, I don't know. Maybe wrote down here, yeah, sure. Yeah. And then the touch a truck event is actually called something else at this point. Oh, so just make sure that we, and you can put in parentheses touch a truck, because it's part of it, and that's what most people think of but it's called something else. Look at Chris Ronald, seen that? Okay?
Katie Noble Harris: Um, Jeff, do you know that information, Becky, is it for sale? Is that Becky, this is pulled from the information that you gave me. But does that seem accurate? Rebecca Stanizzi: Yeah, I think is it for I think most people know that, or just say you know sales status, or something like that, just because, if you could know, you know, kids were doing the property in July 1, right? That's sort of and then we should know soon, in the fall, and we could say who the new buyer is, like, we kind of know because we didn't know there's a buyer. You wouldn't necessarily want to tease people on the property July 1. Since we're due on July 1, yep, yep. Great stuff. You say any events that the FY five special, the applicant department, they won't know, like, where to we need a link there? Yeah. The problem is that the links are not clickable on PDFs, so they're not able to click it. So what I would say there instead is, like, QR code. I was just going to say, like, give the Rec Department email, because they can reach out. And then they'd be like, Oh, fill out this form. That's easy. Now, can you do like, a small QR code, though? Because it's not even emailing somebody, right? It's just getting it. Now I'm going to open my phone and scan it's not, I wouldn't do it. It doesn't make sense in this scenario. And you're going to be reading it on your phone Exactly. It could be reading on your phone or like, is it? What is the likelihood like at that moment in time? I want to go ahead and fill out the thing. And I'm going to want to fill it out on my phone. It's like a QR code. There's something I know very well. For better or worse, it's not, don't put it here. Put the email address of direct part there. Jeff Vecchio: Can you hit like control and kick on, excuse me, control, and then click on a PDF and it'll open a link. Unknown: I don't know. I don't know that. Fun fact, yeah, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it doesn't. I don't know what the trigger is for that, but there's got to be some, because I've gotten PDFs and you can click on it. But when it's on Facebook, it's a different one. Katie Noble Harris: And if we want the Wayland post to do this, like, like, I think the email is a better way, yeah, but Rebecca Stanizzi: also, like, an easy way for them to find the information, because they might not feel comfortable enough emailing, not knowing what they're asking, right? So it's just kind of website. Zach, I mean, yeah, take a genius. The only other thing I would say is, like, we should have more of a call to action on here, to sign up for our mailer, to sign up for our newsletter. Okay, there's room for that, yeah? Like, I think that we should be pushing people like, want updates in your inbox. Sign up here. Email. Yeah, well, no. I mean, we have a form. So, like, when this gets posted, Katie, you definitely need to link in the post itself and or in the comments. That's where you can put a call it, right? Yep. So you can say, want these in your inbox. Sign up for our our newsletter, like, I would put that in the post. Here's an update on this one, things in your news. Want these in your inbox? Sign up here with the Google link, and then it won't preview, because you'll have attached this image. So it won't preview. It won't have a double, you know, translate, yes.
Jeff Vecchio: Is there a reason we just do for the town center plaza updates versus the whole town. Like, I mean, like, if we did just a town wide, they'd probably be a little bit more info to put in. You could do an update on urban or we just trying to gear this specifically for the just Katie Noble Harris: trying to make them, like, super piecemeal, super Unknown: like quick for people targeted, yeah? So it would just be Town Center. And keeping it to that, I did get the data, by the way, from the assessor for Town Center. Perfect. I will. I can input that. And the question is, do you want to hint at your splash pad or whatever? You know, ultimately, the Council on Aging, I don't know, like the daycare is kind of interesting, but mostly, you know, it took it over, and so now you know, it's an, you know, it's a new era. And now you know, there might be opportunities for, you know, other community elements, or something like that. How do you tease it that people like, oh, what else could go there? Right? And then that feeds right into what you guys are doing. So depending on how much you want to say or not, I would definitely do that. Katie Noble Harris: Oh, no. And torn, because I feel like we're at such the beat, oh, that's there at the beginning stages of the splash pad. And I also feel like we're trying to keep this super PC for people just quick hits of Tom Fay: info. Okay.
Katie Noble Harris: I do feel like if we get make a little bit of progress with the splash pad, that could be another infographic. Maybe Rebecca Stanizzi: we'll definitely have an infographic someday.
Katie Noble Harris: Okay, I could also reach out to Catherine and maybe art Wayland. If there's any other events coming up this fall,
Rebecca Stanizzi: yep, I would definitely the three down below. I would definitely put the volleyball first, art Wayland, and then to car at the bottom right, because progression wise, arts Wayland is already there, but volleyball is really your top story. And then arts Wayland is good. And then to Cara is and you may want to say something, you know it's going in the bagel table spaces. People don't know it. There's no sign right for Takara. And then saying that the Takara space is being marketed, right? There's going to be a new restaurant, right? So also take so again, trying to make this as glanceable as possible, I would take go to Jacquard website, pull out their like logo, logo, yes, put it there. Put the art sway. Yeah. It's a good idea. The PC logo, right? Yep,
Unknown: yep. There's not
Rebecca Stanizzi: so in terms of your, I know you wanted to fill in the blank there on Town Center in terms of its, this is going well. I had expected values and revenue worth X and bringing in X. Becky, I've got the data. I got the data. Yeah, yeah. So we can, we can input that. I went looking back, you know, what were the original projections? And live was conversational, but it was only half a million dollars a year. It's doing well beyond that. So he was sending me, hopefully, what the tax data was on the old office building. That's what I wanted to know like compared to what it was before. And granted, it was obsolete. It wasn't, like a functioning thing, and they tore it down. It wasn't but just helpful context. So, yeah, I'll be able to do that. Katie Noble Harris: I would love to give, like, a Stop and Shop update or anything, but I don't think that we would get any info, probably not, Tom Fay: probably not.
Rebecca Stanizzi: Okay, so we'll play this a little bit more again. It's not you're going on vacation for two weeks. Nobody's gonna read it in August anyway. So we'll plan to do it right in September, so just after at the next meeting. Yeah. So kind of massage, and then be able to do it for next meeting and be able to issue, and if we do meet early for the flashlight, it'd be good time to do that too. Okay, all right. Anything else on this? Jeff, any other comments on the infographic?
Jeff Vecchio: No, I don't think so. I sent, okay, I sent you the demographic info. That's probably for a future version of something. I just want to be sure you got that. Rebecca Stanizzi: Yes, that was a restaurants outreach, right? Katie Noble Harris: Think it was for the thing that we were working on, yes, the restaurant outreach. DEP, it's very comprehensive. I know Jeff Vecchio: it's very Yeah, it's more than you'd ever want to know. Unknown: Yeah, only six year old during your town, you know. Okay, so we're 20 business property owners contact list, so even finding out that, I think we had that some of the we need to get both sides, the businesses and the tenants. They are the property owners and the businesses. So we'll continue fleshing that out and again, talking with Tom holder, as I mentioned about the curb cut in engineering, that process will have to reach out to every single property owner. So all of this, our list can get more robust over time, town boards, committee liaison, update. So FinCom, you say again, nothing happens in August, so let's plan to meet in September. So I started pulling together just a quick summary of okay, recommendations to FinCom. So I'll try to send it early, and you guys kind of think about it. And I it and digest it. And there's stuff to add, like, I'll add the meals tax, we could add the rooms tax, like anything, put it all on the page, and then we can kind of prioritize what would actually make have the greatest impact, right? Just part of it. You have a lot of things, but does it actually move the needle? Yeah, where do we where do we focus? So we bring up the flash pad with them, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because part of like, one of the points I have it's like, there's no one project that's going to suddenly just explode our tax revenues, but we need to float every boat, right? And that you've got to make the entire district better. And so part of that is making it more appealing, more attractive, more activity, more foot traffic. So. Okay, absolutely, potentially sponsor the convenience store. Thing is that, something that they would ever do, I don't know if they'd sponsor it necessarily, but I think, I think they would be in support of it. I would, I would usher it through the town. No, no at this point the zoning, the zoning change, it has to go through Select Board, or it has to go through a planning board. So yeah, so I'll send that around and we can kind of digest so we like do it at our next meeting, and then plan to meet with the FinCom. So it was suggested a joint meeting. So are you guys all on board with meeting having a joint meeting with the FinCom members? It's all down for that. You good for that. Jeff, that's something you want to be part of, sure. Okay, all right, so I'll continue on that, and we'll figure out kind of second half of September, what to schedule with those guys. We have two meetings in September, so we would, so one would just, it'd be solely that income. So I think we'll talk, and then we could meet after one, I guess, but at a break in our own meeting, but we can fight it by ear. And Jeff lanes, what was Jeff Vecchio: the took a little bit of a bizarre twist of late. So the the owner who I originally spoke with, who was very open to speaking with me, apparently, has just not been in much. And there's another person who's been manning the store. I'm not sure who it is, but they are under the impression that I am some sort of, like, telemarketer who's like, coming in with, like, guerrilla tactics. And I, I told him I was from the town of Wayland, and he had some niceties to say, and just keeps hanging up the phone. It's like, stop calling Harry. So I don't know what happened there, but I'm gonna have to try to go by so at least I can try to get a message in front of them. I had the guy's cell phone too, and I lost it because he had called me on and I forgot to save it. So now I have to keep on going through the store. But yeah, so I've been trying to get back in touch with and I was 90% sure his name was rich lane, yeah. And I keep, I keep, can anyone verify that? I Unknown: don't know. Remember, I sent you the application that they filed with the building department. It's probably on there, and it might be a phone number. So I forget if it was rich or not, but it's probably somebody's on there. It might be the attorney, unfortunately, but I think that the property owner has to sign. I Jeff Vecchio: referenced his name, and he's like, oh, there's no one here who works by that name. I think he was just like, trying to get rid of me. So it's, yeah, somebody, somebody very unhappy, has been working in there the last number of times I've called, Katie Noble Harris: I guess so Jeff, if you want someone to go with you, I'd be happy to go with you sometime. Yeah, like, Unknown: yeah. I think Val lives around the corner too. So he lives right near, nearby there. So Jeff Vecchio: yeah, because the problem is, when I try to go by, it's like, I'll go by on, you know, my way to work during the week to try to catch someone, and a lot of times they don't open till like 11 o'clock, so I keep missing them. So either have to, we can maybe go at a little bit of an off time, or I can, I can try to, just to try calling from a different phone number. I huh?
Rebecca Stanizzi: This is George from echo Jeff Vecchio: call from a pay phone. Have April
Unknown: call. All right, so we'll keep on task. All right. So okay, so you're on that one economic development bond bill. They still have not posted any bonds yet. Michael McCall got a message from the governor's office. Anything that is posted like they they issue the bonds, the money still has to go through the SIP program, which is kind of their allocation of funds. So we got this generic he got this generic email back that basically said, Sorry, Wayland is not on the list. And you should know that, you know, there's often, like, 10 times more requests than there are funding type of things. So it wasn't even, it was tailored as if we were looking for improvements on route 20, right? It was just random. It wasn't, it was very odd. So he's going to keep digging a little bit. But I Googled, you know, chat, DEP, they haven't issued any of the bonds yet, so until the bonds are issued, like nothing's going to flow. But, yeah, I know it's just yeah, it was a $4 billion bond bill. So it's like, million Michael, it's like, how is it? They can't possibly announce a $4 billion economic development bond bill and only fund, and only fund 10% of it, or never. It's like, yeah. So it's, it's fair. So. We're still economic development, maybe, well, somebody knew was named, but for somebody new to get speed, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So we'll keep it on here, and you know, keeping abreast of what's going on. But ultimately, it hasn't, hasn't quite moved yet. Some of these, they say, like these huge bond bills, they can be funded over five years. Yeah, yeah. So there might be a little bit of a pecking order, timing wise, but there shouldn't necessarily be on the scope, but we'll stay on it, and then 14. Much plan. I asked Tom if the Select Board needed anything from EDC for that. He said, No, it seems to be moving along, and it's all sort of confidential discussions with the seller. I mean, take that one off. All right, so next meeting, second week in September would be September 12,
and we've kind of lost a couple people. But the question is, is Friday? Could people do Thursdays instead? I know, Karen, that's not necessarily ideal for you, I think, but rather prefer Friday, any other the day. It's like it's Friday. Is your ideal? Or any other days Thursday just bad or it's just your time? Yeah. Katie, can you do either Thursday or Friday? Does it matter Friday, but Jeff, do you have reference one way the other Thursday or Friday? Jeff Vecchio: I mean, Thursday is better for me. But I mean, if, if I have to do Friday, I could, I could do Friday.
Unknown: Okay, so just trying to get a sense from the wall, reach out the other two. We still do need our seventh member. So our potential seventh member, it's really hard. She can't do Fridays, basically. So that's the question is, you know, is you know, is there any flexibility? But if it just doesn't work for us, then that's that's fine. We'll have to figure that out. But so keep your ear to the ground for additional EDC number. If anybody interesting pops across your radar screen, double check that David's getting sounds like he's not getting Okay. Let's see if he's on the EDC Members list. Yeah, okay, Katie Noble Harris: but it's Unknown: okay. But otherwise we'll do September oops, to September 12, Friday, September 12, at 830 and if you want to try to do something earlier, or even, you know, it could be just a quick zoom meeting, you know, if you get the stuff to us in advance, or you want to just target it to be able to get it out for the infographic or for the foot splash. But, yeah, so kind of play that one by ear. So I know you guys are motivated to get that one moving. Katie Noble Harris: I'll try and connect with David. Okay,
Unknown: hearing nothing else. Any other topics Other than that, do I hear a motion to adjourn? Motion to ADU. Katie. Motion. Do I hear a second? Aaron, second, all in favor. Katie aye, Karen aye, Becky I Jeff, hi, all right, we are adjourned at 1008.