February 24, 2026 – Board of Public Works – Video & Transcript
February 24, 2026 - Board of Public Works
very good all right let's get started then uh read the uh introduction uh pursuant to chapter
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two minutes per person okay so i want to do a roll call first uh mike since you're on the screen
hi i'm here i'm here spellman you have to say speak you can't just raise your hand
mic mic you're on mute or i can't hear you okay don't know uh ed yes and george yes okay so call to
order at roll call uh any announcements staff have none okay i have none anybody else okay we have
yeah i think at the end we can talk about the updates so i'll give you an update on the transfer
station okay good yeah that's on the agenda okay okay uh public comment uh i see alessa online
go ahead i thank you so much um first i want to thank the dpw um since our directors i'm sorry yeah no the board of public works since our director is here today for the tremendous work keeping our roads plowed during the storm i have friends on the south coast their roads haven't been plowed yet they've been without heat um or water or electricity for days and um so it really made me appreciate the work that was done so uh quick questions um are my comments um one bridges over waterways are required to allow the recreational boat traffic underneath will the bridge with the substructure additions allow this to continue the way it is um project guidelines for bridges over water also emphasize ensuring good visibility through the railings for drivers and continued use for non-drivers but the current design of the railings does not do this i'm wondering if they can be more like the original railings and have the verticals instead of the horizontal boards um i'm wondering what is the nature of this project is it considered bridge rehab rehabilitation superstructure replacement um in which case um okay yeah deck replacement in which case actually it does not have to be upgraded to um current uh bridge requirements or other bridge preservation projects um also has a limit on how much updating it needs because i'm particularly concerned about those um all the added stuff on the surface especially the guard rails and especially since we have no history of accidents on the bridge and there is supposed to have been an accident history as part of the um i'm sorry can i talk somebody's talking and please mute yourself i'm sorry i need to speak when they're not talking thank you i'll give you some more time thank you very much please mute yourself you drowned it out the speaker go ahead thank you so much um have all the uh guidelines for the mass dot bridge manual part 100th anniversary been addressed um for example looking at accident history on the bridge and of course there isn't any um and particularly what exactly is mass dot going to be covering cost wise the town managers um expressed in a letter to mass dot that um that um they were confirming its mass dots continue support and involvement in the sherman bridge repair project including funding and purchasing all materials as well as using its contracted service provider to carry out the work for both towns but when mass dot replied they said we will find procurement of the glue laminated timber materials required for the repairs as well as the timber for the sidewalk and bridge and the bridge and approaching railing we will also provide a mass dot contractor to work with the communities to complete this work so okay i'm gonna have to cut you off now because you're you you went over your extra time i'm sorry i just want to know who's paying for what and how much are we going to be paying for and what is the budget the actual budget now thank you thank you do we have anybody else uh i got richard turner okay go ahead can you hear me yes um i just want to say a big thank you to the dpw for all their hard work during this uh storm this was a bad bad storm as i drive around town there were huge piles of snow and we have more coming now we're going to run out of space sooner or later where we can put the stuff and uh i noticed there's a huge pile right at the end of my street on north hill road it's making a little hard to see around the corner there and uh you just have to pull out a little ways to see but anyways thank you again for all your hard work thank you for your comments do we have someone else no i see no one else okay very good uh tom uh it's now up to you for the sherman bridge update yes certainly so uh a week or so ago the project team um presented and posted on their web page uh a project update which was uh really crafted to be at a glance it was uh a more of an outline it was able to establish what has been accomplished what we've been able to include with the bridge uh we also were able to speak about what could not be included with the bridge repair and then it just listed some items uh more of a status on some of the issues that were raised during during conversations and uh it was our intent because there have been a number of items that have been included with the design that i know were sought through public involvement and public comment so i wanted to identify those and i can speak to those tonight this update was also um not only posted on the web the project web page but it was also uh distributed to an extensive distribution list email list that we have so i we did the best we could in uh notifying upwards of 60 or 70 different folks and entities so hopefully everybody's had the opportunity to to take a look at this update uh one of the most significant items that we've been able to address in a positive manner meaning uh to the desires of public comment that was received is that massdot has expressed their acceptance of steel backed guardrails not only on the north side of the bridge the bridge approaches but also on the south side of the bridge approaches so i i know there was some talk about being able to box in you know the the w style guardrail the steel guardrails uh we were able to do better than that that they were receptive after evaluating that item with us extensively so that was a very positive thing so now the design does include um in essence wooden guardrails they're the same as the approach guardrails that are currently in place now on both both approach sides so that was good the design package has been submitted to massdot and uh they're they've recognized accepting that and we're expecting their their comments uh relatively quickly but because we do know that uh um you know there has been extensive uh communications back and forth during the design process with massdot so they're fully familiar with what this design looks like and the reasons why the design parameters are as they are we also have reached out and are beginning conversations with both conservation departments uh both in sudbury and weyland we actually have a meeting scheduled tomorrow with them to begin conversations toward our submittal of a notice of intent and then going through a hearing process with both of those respective um conservation commissions we do have um at the the weyland department of public works a sample of glulam um if allowed i can if anybody's interested i can actually share a photograph of it if it's on the uh can everybody see that yes yes so um i mean i know there's been a lot of questions uh a lot of remarks relative to glulam uh there's a strong desire to have the bridge made of wood and this is a sample of what glulam looks like it is yellow pine it is wood nothing but wood and uh this is what the deck this is what the rails uh will all be made of from abutment to abutment this is the product and we'd be happy to uh have folks if they wanted to pay us a visit at the weyland dbw building we'd be happy to uh to show folks this they can look at it touch it feel it examine it but uh hopefully this picture ensures that it is indeed wood right so i i don't have any uh intention of you know reading the full update that was put up on the uh on the project webpage but i would be uh happy to answer questions that the uh the board members might have anybody have questions uh i read the report i mean it looks like again as though you've done an excellent job of taking in all of the comments from with the various opinions and and coming up with a um a solution that looks like it beats uh most of the demands and requests so um and i think as of uh the last meeting we've addressed that concern about that gap um between the railing and the and the surface um so that that's appreciated as well um i don't know i i know there were a number of questions from one of the uh folks in public folks in public comment were any of those not addressed in that um in the document and the update yes i was taking some notes while that previous speaker was speaking uh there is no change to the ability of boats kayaks anything uh to have access underneath the bridges there's nothing changing there there are a number of um um support braces that are going to be replaced in kind so that doesn't change and one of the piles will be jacketed uh sleeved to provide uh better support there was a repair that was needed for that so but that will not impede uh any access or people won't even even even really notice it at all yeah um this is a deck repair uh mass dot uh has characterized it as a project to preserve uh the life of the bridge and knowing that the deck is in disrepair so that is the characterization of the project and i don't see any changes that would prohibit any current use of the river uh as it stands there is none no the both launches it was inferred a number of times that the project was going to restrict or reduce accessibility uh to the two launches on the on the wayland side that is not the case the guard rails will be in the same footprint that they're currently in access to those boat ramps will remain the same as it is today awesome thanks for the update sure happy to do it anyone else okay and again that is available on the website right it's on the web page front and center okay can you guys hear me now yes yes all right good geez i don't know what's going on with my system here but glad to be glad to be heard okay uh town meeting articles start with the uh cips questions that people may have i've got a couple about lets you guys go first i guess one of the reasons that uh we included this this item under this agenda was that uh earlier in december and january both the operating and capital budgets were voted um but uh it was purposely left uh that the cips had not been voted until we actually provided the funding sources for those so based upon the finance department's funding sources that they've identified in their capital budget i've updated those cips to reflect that so you'll see those at the bottom of each of the cips you'll now see um under the funding source heading nearly the exact language that's used in the capital budget the one dramatic change that i made to the long-term water supply cip was we received some concerning news on friday afternoon that whalen was not accepted to receive a state revolving fund loan to say that i was alarmed as an understatement uh stood about this all day friday and over the weekend um did reach out to my srf representative um got a couple of emails looking to shore up um the conversation so that we can understand directly why it is that we were not accepted because over the past 18 months we've been assured that this project met the spirit of the zero percent loan the fact that it was for pfos mitigation it would rate very high our submittal that we uh put together earlier uh mid calendar year 2025 was a very strong submittal we actually had a prediction within that that um our rating should have been about 538 when we got notice of the posted intended use plan is what the srf group calls it our rating was 231 so that really doesn't make any sense to us yesterday we filed um notice that we intend to appeal this um it it doesn't make any sense that you know the characteristics of this project what the srf loan was described to us to be for it almost appears as if something was misunderstood by the review group at the clean water trust the only hope that i have that appeal might be successful is if it is identified that there was a misunderstanding that somehow the reviewers didn't pick up on the fact that it is directly related to pfos mitigation to put our project back on would likely mean that somebody another community would be removed and i know that would not be politically popular so i i'm really not certain how successful i will be but we're going to go through the motions and i'll uh there's actually a date to make testimony march 24th why we'll be doing that and fingers crossed that there's some valid reason or a valid misunderstanding that hopefully we can be placed back on it but i have uh spoken with both michael mccall uh with brian keveney we spoke again today uh trying to craft you know the alternative uh a more conventional borrow we know what the the interest rate would be uh it's significantly higher it has a much more significant impact to um our expenses the debt service expenses that will be incurred through this um so we are positioning ourselves to to go with plan b but we're not relinquishing plan a just quite yet but obviously the the warrant has got to be revised to show that the srf is one possibility that is now less than likely and the alternative that's right yeah so the uh yeah i know carl barnes who who was unable to make it tonight to join the meeting i've been working closely with him on crafting language uh so we will make that adjustment such that it it uh actually represents uh our current understanding of our loan loan options yeah so when we met with greg devine right yes who oversees the state revolving fund he indicated that pfos um remediation projects take priority uh and he did seem to indicate he he didn't guarantee anything of course but he did seem to indicate that we had a very strong chance of of receiving approval so that was my interpretation yes yeah yep and we met with him twice right met with him twice i speak and email with him regularly and uh there's never been an indication and that the um that intended use plan usually comes out in january you know so i towards the latter part of january i reached out to him just saying hey i haven't seen it any news and he said that they were delayed in putting it out but not to worry and then friday he was away uh last week so what is but you know we're all tuned into this iup comes out of the clean water trust and actually comes out of the division of uh um finance and uh so we got tuned into it friday afternoon went through it it's not not easy to to to read all the stuff uh but there were a number of us that looked at it on our own and we all came up with the same uh outcome that you had no wayland was indeed not on the list wow yeah is it uh easy to tell what the uh projects are if they're pfos related okay uh not really not really you can see you can see the town you can see the title of it you can see their rating um they might they might be a brief explanation of each one of them but it's really just a table so the information is limited but the fact that we were rated less than half of what we should have been that just it doesn't make sense yeah wow that's huge that's a that's an understatement yes and obviously that's going to have a significant impact in terms of the borrowing cost and so i've run some you know calculations but it depends with that size uh borrowing what you can do with the investment bankers in terms of how you structure the payments whether it be a fixed payment with decreasing interest and increasing principle like your mortgage would be or if it's a principal payment of x plus the interest on the remaining cost but you know could could be uh you know a very significant number uh to the tune of you know four to five million dollars in the first year costs in the worst case scenario
yeah so brian is he was already communicating with um hilltop which he gets a lot of guidance and advice financial advice from them so he already has them working through this uh to try to offer up you know what precisely we could expect if we had to go through a conventional borrowing i will get that information to matt abraham's uh been already communicated this to him and uh he'll be able to put together impacts and update what that debt service would actually look like with this change and a loan approach anybody have any yeah the reason i brought it up under cips is the one of the i you know i i updated the cip for the the water article uh to remove uh that item at this point in time room remove which item uh i removed the statement that it was a zero percent loan got it i was kind of i was uh silent on that um because fincom is um i think it was a finance committee member april was actually uh working on a lot of this and and needed that information so these are the cips and and you'll see the the funding sources um all of which are you know general fund borrowing enterprise borrowing i've had tom two questions on the cips uh one is that we had talked before and had said that we didn't want the high school septic to be listed as a dpw project but it still is yeah so that that vote was made known by me to um finance uh the committee the cipc uh membership as well so i i uh i made that known that that was a vote a motion and a vote made by the board of public works so that was that was known i but i i i i that sounds like it was ignored ignored or uh thank you for your input this is where we think it should go yeah the problem i have is again with the all the projects that are coming down the pike the last thing we need is this especially because there's a lot of different discussions uh from what i understand in terms of the fields that are going to be replaced and time and some of that and i don't want to get brought into that discussion when we have bigger fish to fry so yeah okay carol i know that you're on can you uh help us out on this and help us understand why this would be a dpw project yeah carol martin uh lake road member of the select board hello i can't believe it i wanted to hear the conversation about article hh and i got called away by the town manager so i missed it so i'll have to circle back with someone tomorrow for that information um and just may i add one quick thing it's mr barnes and mrs martin working on that article right up the hh floor water supply okay i don't think we've gotten there yet on the capital projects let's see i believe the projects are not being managed by the various and sundry departments so for example a field is no longer being managed by recreation because that they don't have that skill set that goes to facilities and that's why the school um would not be overseeing the wastewater project because that's not the area of expertise i would think that the water commissioners and the water public works and the dpw water department would have that expertise to do it so that's most likely why that project is uh under dpw is that what they said to you tom yeah i mean yes and it falls in line with a there's a memorandum of understanding uh that's about a decade old we we follow that pretty closely and uh you know it's the folks that want the project need the project they're the ones that advocate for it they're the ones that become the champions for it uh once it is uh you know the appropriation is set and and voted upon dpw does have the wherewithal to manage you know construction so you know as an example abby charest uh the wastewater project is she's the lead on that she's also getting heavily involved with the baseball fields because we're if we're gonna if we're gonna experience um cost efficiencies by coupling the projects a lot of that cost efficiency is by having one designer uh one construction oversight one contractor all of that so um we become involved with things uh quite regularly that uh that involve construction even if we're not the ones that are advocating for it but that doesn't make it our project and this makes it our project so this is an interesting one because there was there's been conversation about coupling and i think even when tom presented to sipsy there was discussion of coupling those two projects together there was a thought that there might be some efficiency i believe that the sipsy uh the capital planning and improvement committee did not include the field component of this project in their recommended budget to the town manager because there was uh they were looking for site plan and exactly how much of the leach field and their work from the wastewater upgrade was actually going to infringe on the fields you know this and i don't believe they felt that they had that information it went to the fine i went to the tom manager and he and the finance together put together their recommended budget and they included it in and they sent that to the finance committee the finance committee i think tom you intended that last week yes um i missed it because i was um welcoming the uh women's 77th national bond spiel over boomstein boom stones to wayland on behalf of wayland um but i believe there was a uh some discussion again about we need a site plan that's not from what nine ten years old and we need to understand is this does it make sense does it make fully sense in order to do the couple of the projects um the finance committee voted not to recommend debt exclusion for that project and when they came before the um the select board the other night that project was not i don't believe has a funding source at the moment i don't know what's going to happen so at the moment george the only project out there is the wastewater if that helps no it still doesn't help because again i'm worried about how many dollars people are going to see being spent by the dpw and this is a very large component that's not really our project we may we may manage it like we do other things but that does not make it a dpw project so that's the answer should someone ask something then you say we're managing it for the on behalf of the town yeah well so somebody may get up and make that comment in the commentary okay uh next one i have a question on is the uh water main replacement uh it doesn't this shows it is a uh and i know it's same as bar it would be borrowed in november 26 so the first payment would be november of 27 for 18 months worth of interest assuming that it's done the normal way which is physical 28 i'm just wondering if somehow in the write-up or what people see that should be covered so you're you're suggesting that the timing be included is that well there's going to be a lot of focus on the impact on water rates and this you know unless change the way we normally would do things uh you know this would not necessarily hit physical 27 rates it'll hit physical 28 rates so so we need to take care of that in the water model is that what you're saying well rates well you you can decide it when you do the water model if you want to start to build some because we've talked before about you know the payment is actually in november of 27 so you only have three months four months worth of payment collections okay any versus when having enough cash to make the payment i'm just wondering if this there should be some kind of a commentary that they see that this is going to hit uh the race most likely in 28 not 27 or the first actual interest cost is 28 if you want to do it that way i don't know it's just a thought again i'm getting very concerned about the uh concern about the rates that are going to hit so i'll leave that up to tom and his people mr chair yes chair recognizes thank you um tom you could um request the finance committee when they write the capitals blurbs to maybe add that phrasing if you feel that's something you'd like to have in the little burls yeah there's no harm in it and you can ask all they can say is no is that does that work yeah yeah it works for me yeah i'm just trying to answer questions before they're asked or concerns about the impact on the rates carol just so you know you we're still on the cip so you didn't miss anything um thank you in terms of the articles yeah yeah yeah we're still getting to that a lot of meetings today and i'm a little ditzy right now but i'm sorry thank you um don't give me straight lines
tom uh you mentioned that uh these are all uh generally the cips are from borrowing i see a couple that's a general fund free cash um was that the finance committee's decision for the stormwater and i think there's one other yeah there is you're right there was there were free cash um and again i took that right off the language uh so yeah and the radio system upgrades and the yeah so that was i think there was one determination is and that that determination or recommendation uh was made by the finance department the finance team i call them um so that's that's what uh they've listed as the funding source for those so um i'm not well versed in how those decisions are made you know i know that there's a finite finite amount of free cash available at on any given fiscal year and i think that there's a determination on what's the best whether they borrow use some of the free cash or the general fund you know uh purchases yep okay and then the you just uh for the um connection construction you just uh struck the zero percent portion that one surprise fund borrowing yes um but it won't be the zero percent correct okay so i i go do you have a question no comment yes thank you mr chair um the stormwater is in the select boards budget it's in under the purview of the select board it's actually appears in the unclassified budget which is probably why it's funded by free cash yeah that's another project that isn't ours but dpw is overseeing no it is not board of public works but dpw is over but it is in the class on the unclassified budget got it which is under our purview and so we ask you to take care of it for us okay for it yep so can we bill for these services we need a markup um so george or unless we have other questions i can make a motion we're gonna do each one individually then i don't think we need to okay so i've got so we've got like three other ones that we need to talk about so okay okay let's talk about the water the article e tom i sent you a bunch of comments about article e because there's a number i'm sorry george what i meant was that we could make a motion to approve the cips before we get into the articles oh okay that's well okay that the cips are an article but that's fine i have no problem go ahead make your motion okay i'd like to make a motion to approve the cips as presented with the modifications discussed can i get a second second okay thank you so made by mike second by mike uh roll call mike weckebauer hi mike spellman hi ed is there it's muted but i summarized his hand that doesn't do us unfortunately ed can you unmute and say i okay ev just i four zero zero oh here he is go ahead ed ed you're off mute if you want to uh approve or disapprove okay get your vote ed ed can you hear us yeah can you say i if you approve the cip motion thank you okay next one is uh article e i sent everybody out some comments on article e because there's a number of things that uh just didn't flow right tom and i don't know if you've had a chance to look at that things like the 200 000 use of retained earnings for the water fund and 50 000 for the transfer station uh the comment that the transfer station is not going to get a supplement from the uh town this year uh the fact that the amounts that are in here don't match the budget that you gave us so i'm not sure which is right if the budget's changed probably should get that out if you had tom have you had a chance to look at those so i did have a chance on several of them um so relative to the there's no reference to the 200 000 in the water enterprise fund to be used from retained earnings um so the day after our meeting in january so it would have been january 21st i sent a an email to brian uh copied the the membership here uh just notifying brian the motions and the vote uh that was taken the night before relative to 200 000 to be listed in the article to be used uh water retained earnings 50 000 to be used in retained earnings for the transfer station and fifty thousand dollars uh in a general fund subsidy for the transfer station at that point in time i thought that that was adequate to to be able to have article e listed the way that the board wanted to have it listed when i was researching this topic in preparation for the meeting tonight i saw that those things were missing i spoke with brian about it um and he had said that that email alone would not have caused that to happen i wasn't aware of that um he was saying that we would have to submit a revised budget for both the transfer station and the water enterprise uh to the finance committee showing those items um so we did that and uh that went off midweek last week so um i i think it i think it would be prudent if somebody from the board of public works wanted to dash off an email um affirming or reaffirming the board's desire to have these items listed in article e i think that would be helpful okay is that carl i don't know if carl's doing article e or not to be honest with you i forget who that is i'm not sure if i ever knew well he's our liaison so i'll start with him is that who you're suggesting we address that to tom yeah i would i would include in the email i'm not sure who it would be addressed to but i would certainly either address it to or copy um our finance committee liaison brian keveney um you know carol we add carol to a lot of things so that wouldn't hurt okay i will take that on uh how about some of the other things where the amounts don't agree and some of the wording doesn't make sense that i pointed out you had a chance to so that that i haven't had a moment to address excuse me um mr chair the um article e enterprise fund budgets select board liaison is ann brensley and the finance committee liaison is pam roman okay thank you for that uh
so would we send that to uh pam roman then instead of carl copy carl i got i'll send it to all i'll send it to everybody okay sounds good copy of the world uh all right now take and try and build them into the the same because this is their project tom do you know if the the amounts that changed was there a new budget or no no the budget uh was the same one that we produced in january the only reason was that the budget did not show uh these particular use of retained earnings because when that budget was formulated and submitted back in december this board had not yet voted you know how we were going to handle that so that's why but the the figures that you're referencing i don't know why it would it should add up i mean it's it but yeah but this is the operating budget expenses that where that expenses are going to be covered by are not relevant to the budget right right yep yep okay so i don't know why i'm not sure why that changed i was not notified that uh our budget has been altered okay and then the uh
on that point um tom maybe you can forward the uh the updated budgets that you sent along to um i assume you sent those to brian yeah i sent them to brian and um he had there was somebody that he had included from the finance committee um it might have actually been pam roman but i'll i'll dig up that email and forward it to the board cool thank you okay uh then in the uh second paragraph on toxic substantial rate where it says we'll be funded with a rate increase it really should be water rate increase i think but i'll put that all together in the one comment and copy these people and copy the board all right disappointing i don't there should not be a motion on that one at this point correct
okay uh letter of uh support yes ed thank you thank you that's great so would you like that um placed on board of public works letterhead is that what uh was that you know ed does sign it as a member of the board of public works so it might be a nice look to it if i was to just put it on to board of public works letterhead can we do that from a member yes board of public works letterhead for the board not dpw okay uh do we need then a motion to approve that from the boards to keep everybody happy sure i wouldn't mind it yeah yeah i'll make a motion uh to approve the letter of support uh from ed um and to put it on board of public works letterhead and have him sign it can i get a second
second okay uh roll call vote mike wagenbauer yes mike spellman yes ed yes and george yes yes four zero zero okay article mr chair can i pop in slowly i wanted to comment like what a wonderful wonderful wonderful letter that you wrote ed or mr chang uh i i think you took something so complicated and you made it into very basic layman terms um i'm working on this article hh as i said with carl barnes and i hope you don't mind but i'd like to take a couple of your phrases and see if we can't work them into the write-up i think they're um our write-up is very formal but i think that some of this language if it's okay with you i'd like to just sort of borrow a few of your phrases would that be okay ed yeah is that okay okay i'm going to borrow some of your phrases and put them in the article right up if that's okay i love this thank you thank you thank you and uh tom will that be posted on our way on the website yeah i was thinking of a couple of places we would uh uh use it we would certainly have it at the forum we would have copies we're going to talk a little bit about forum coordination here in a moment um have it at town meeting um yeah any place we can put this would be helpful okay okay next uh item is article hh uh should we table that one until we get a revision for the the new information today or how do you want to go about that yeah i had included in the packet you know at the time of distribution which was you know friday morning that was the latest version uh that had been going around between finance committee and the finance department uh so i included it in the packet um but certainly there'll be new language associated with the zero percent interest loan the srf loan so um this is really just you know for informational purposes only i think once once we create it we send it off to the finance committee um member that's actually doing the write-up there was a fair amount of back and forth i think a number of members were were involved with it um so this is really just for informational purposes on this is the the latest version of that okay a couple things number one uh matt's going to come back with the percentages in terms of the increases yeah the 41 32 yes yep and and everybody should recognize that that's because i had forgotten until i went back and read it a second time that that's where they we think is going to be in 29 not necessarily 27 so have two more years of inflation for the rest of the budget uh and then there's some questions about the percentage of average uses uh and also uh carl barns made a comment here that i don't think that this is an issue about using water rates versus taxation and that is a improper statement because i think it is an issue uh so can we make sure that uh carl understands that because i don't want to be have something out there that is an untruism in terms of where i stand okay anything else on hh anybody all right so was this just a question uh i see um one one line struck um so is that carl making those edits or is this like a collaboration with a few folks looking at this i think this is between carl and carol okay that's not us this is their rework because as you remember you know our section is limited to that top paragraph after that it's fincom with the board of selectmen okay so carl that uh uh the edits here are yours along with carl's is that i think i'm see we both have the same initials and i was looking at that quickly i think i'm cb2 i think he's cb1 and then after we've discussed i think he's cb3 but i think i'm b2 here okay it was really well written i think um we actually if it's mr sheriff it's all right if i help in here we thank you we um we were going to look at this on um last night at the select board meeting and i want to change up in the text um i had an issue with the word permanent even though we've been using that because we have temporary currently permanent implies to me never ever have to do anything again which we all know things need to be fixed replaced whatever so um we kind of were moving towards long term we liked the long term and use and replacing some of that language with um dual source you know uh option program um and i noticed the other day that that that word permanent i think is in the text you know that we vote it tell me now when uh when it goes to the select what i'm going to suggest we just take that little phrase out just construct the you know whatever we're going to do dual source option or whatever so that's one thing that carl and i really were looking at um i agree that makes sense yeah that's not the right one that i'm working on and now i've seen some of these sentences that ed's put together that i really like that i'm going to go back maybe making a few more edits but essentially the article is pretty well written um we just now have to deal with this new um boomerang challenge just a challenge just a teeny challenge just a tiny challenge that's right okay and at some point again that'll come back to all the members of the board uh that would be for carl to send that to you i will be just sending it to the select board which i hope to do next monday um we have to vote these all finals have to be done by the 16th to make the warrant so um let me check with carl when i talk to him i'm sure he'll share it with tom and you and you can take you right he has been he's been very good about that yeah um thinking he is versus the 16th say that again please i'm thinking of when our next meeting is versus the 16th the deadline uh but because we originally did the warren article before approved it i think we're probably okay but tom if you would i think we should circulate it to the full board once it comes in can do okay george uh i think judy and myself were asked to um work on this um if possible maybe carol and and carl once they're done could share that with judy and and i to make comments without having it be a um open meeting issue well that well if it comes from tom in terms of what the status is and anything goes back to tom that's not an open meeting issue because no we're not there's no discussion between board members okay i think you might run into open reading though mike because we're sharing george as well yeah yeah i think it should maybe should be shared the updated version should be shared with i think everyone on the board what i'm suggesting and suggesting is that maybe judy and i would provide any comments we have on the changes made um not that you would have to make changes based on those comments but we would just provide comments for you to consider why we might have written it in in that way so technically it's the finance committee's uh comments therefore they have the final you know you have to have someone who is the head they do yeah yeah yeah on all of these even um now this one's a little different because we're co-sponsors but in general you defer to the finance committee otherwise we never finish them no i wasn't suggesting we would have any final say i just uh since we put together the wording uh and there are there's a change we might provide a comment as to why it was written that way i'll mention your desires to mr barnes does that work well yeah i was just asking george if we should um we were designated to help put this together if we can continue that process and and provide comments on the updated version i have no problem my only concern is that some of the information doesn't track to what we've already had so make sure you go back to the budgets and the percentages and a lot of the things that i had developed so okay okay anything else on the warrant articles do you want to talk about item three long-term water supply forum coordination uh yeah yes i don't see that on here but yes please yeah so we've it's not in the packet it's in the agenda yeah i'm looking at the agenda that's why i don't see it oh okay go ahead yeah so we've got the forum scheduled for april 7th 7 p.m it'll be in person and remote we'll have it at the council on aging it'd be nice to have it at their nice brand new facility um we'll organize the audio visual so i would imagine many of us will be attending in person or any of us that can will be there in person it'll i would imagine it would be very similar to the form that we had about a year ago when we were asking for design funds and so kleinfelder would develop a presentation that i would have ready for our march meeting so you'd have an opportunity to to look at and make remarks and then we would have question and answer period of anybody that's in person or somebody that tunes in remotely waycam will record it so it'll be something that somebody can look at and review after the fact between that night and and may 4th town meeting so that was the format that i was going to suggest but i'm certainly open to uh other suggestions if uh you see you know an improvement to that what time tom 7 p.m okay yeah sounds good to me sounds good here yep one thing tom i think we should make sure of is that for the next meeting which is before the forum that brian comes in and gives us some information in terms of what he sees with the investment bankers and matt comes in with his estimate of what the uh percentage impacts are okay because obviously the uh percentages that are in hh uh are no longer applicable if they're dealing with the srf amounts not not you know the uh higher rates uh for market rate and then brian's got to give us some information are we talking about a fixed payment where it's like your mortgage or is it going to be like a regular bond where you're paying interest plus the same amount every month of principal because there's significant differences between the two and also then you know the 20 versus 30 year and the significant increase that would be in terms of the total cost to the town and the water users
so i think that's all got to be ironed out before that forum i made note and we'll make that happen okay and i've got some analysis i can send you and i'll send it to brian and it's very back of the envelope but it kind of gives you at least a ballpark kind of thought process okay okay okay next one is the anything else on that section i think we covered it all okay next one is the water enterprise fund update so the first item under that heading is the fy26 forecast um relative to the water budget revenue and expenses what you have in your packet is a spreadsheet um i don't have it available to to share it was one thing i didn't uh didn't grab i'm not sure if if you want it need it anybody wants to put that up but um do you want me to share what's in the packet yeah if you yeah if you can that that's fine yep that's that's what i'm kind of speaking to if that uh it's a spreadsheet with some yellow uh
yep that's it yes yeah thank you for that yeah so what you'll see is um the first column shows all the the cost centers that we have within the water budget second column is what we actually have in the fy26 budget for all of those cost centers and then the next column is on february 18th was what we actually had spent to date in each one of those and what myself don millet and anita martin did was we went through each line and evaluated um you know what we thought we would need to purchase what we would spend for each one of these cost centers so each one of those lines is you know the best prediction that we can come up with on february 18th to get us to june 30th and then the next column is uh some of george's lingo better worse so it shows you whether it's higher higher uh or in parentheses lower than uh or just the opposite whether we actually were going to be um less than budget or exceeding budget on each one of those light items and as you scroll down uh mike if you could just uh you'll see that the uh first yellow line water operational expenses total you see we're actually um going to be a little bit uh a little bit of a surplus and i say that you'll see just above that yellow line is the contingency fund 200 000 we've listed 160 one of the items under this heading um is how much it's going to cost us in this fiscal year for the water that we've purchased from the mwra through the emergency connection i've been repeatedly asking for that figure i'm not sure why they're not offering it up they keep saying yep we got it we'll get it to you you know i checked again tonight before joining this meeting and i've yet to get it so i am predicting about 160 grand so that's why that's listed there
and then you'll see with um the second water debt service total you'll see with some of the things that are associated with debt service it puts us a little bit uh over budget by 57 grand or so and then if you wanted to scroll down a little bit further we go into the revenue section same thing we we know what we projected to uh to pull in for revenue on february 18th what we had um we did the best we could knowing how many bill periods that we actually have left uh that we'll be receiving prior to june 30th and then uh what we did now it's you know remains to be seen in in red you'll see quarterly billing listed and 85 grand that that was the evaluation that matt abrahams had done with the additional billing the additional number of bills going out in the first uh or third and fourth quarter of fiscal 26 he was predicting 85 grand so we put it in there just to show you um you know so if that were the case you know we would be uh coming a little bit higher than expected in revenue now one of the concerns i had as i looked at this schedule is for eight months roughly you've billed 3.1 million and for four months you're saying you're going to bill 4.9 million and collect which is a really significant swing and so i guess my challenge would be what what is going to give rise to that big of an increase for four months versus what you did for eight because every four months is basically a million and a half and you're saying you're going to do 4.8 in the same period as a as a total that's oh that's the total george oh that's the total okay i'm sorry it's the projected total here ah never mind okay got it so that is about a million and a half okay million seven all right got it you know i'm thinking it's it's like the above okay so it gives you a sense of you know how we feel and you know and obviously we have we have some control over expenses uh there are some items that uh you know we we don't have a lot of discretion but uh as and we track this pretty close that if we're not seeing the revenue expected you know we have the ability to defer some discretionary things and that's that's how we do it every single year we we're under budget every year and we do that because unfortunately historically revenue has come in less than anticipated and we've had to make those those hard decisions but it gives you a sense of where we think we're going to be yeah that's good yeah and it does this projection says that basically for the first time we'll be about on budget for revenue for the year which is what we had talked about when we set the rates okay all right anybody have questions nope um is this next portion should i share the screen for this as well yeah that that's item number three that's impact to rate increases to municipal departments that was uh i think george is going to speak to those that was your your crack at trying to predict what some of these increases that uh municipal departments would would experience yeah uh you're going to keep it up because i had ready to go but that's fine can you want me to just make it a little bit bigger by hitting full screen
okay uh this goes back to judy's question about the impact on uh if we went from everybody being billed for the town at tier one versus the tiers like everyone else going back to the board of selectments comment about everybody should pay their fair share and so i had to use just back of the envelope so any you know this is not pinpoint accurate this is you know nuclear bomb accurate but what i did is i took the work that uh townspeople had done before about the current billings and water usage uh to see the the amounts and took that to calculate uh based on the tier one rates how much water was used and then said okay if we're going to go through that and build at the tiers what would the delta be and the delta for just going from tier one to respective tiers is roughly about 110 000 hit to the town and uh that's the total on the first sheet and then i also said okay if we take the increase that we're looking at which is the second sheet which is a 27 increase and again i don't know where what we're going to do with tiers if that percentage is going to go all tiers or we're going to change this the percentage in tiers because it's going to increase the uh tier rates for low if we just did 27 percent from eight dollars to 23 dollars which is a big spread but roughly that increase would be about 160 000 to the town 159 421 yep and so depending on where we are uh that would be where we're going to work out now as you remember uh my uh brian sent out a note to all the budget people that there's going to be a significant rate increase and he said to budget at least 30 percent rate increase i think is what he said uh or 32 percent and so a lot of this should already be built into the budgets for the year but depending again on where you set the rates uh will have an impact and again those rates because of the timing wouldn't be the full year amount this would be the full year because you don't put those in as of july 1. so that's just an answer to judy's question about you know about how much and what the impact would be that's helpful yeah great so that's that's a you know challenge that when the rates are set uh next fall uh or spring i guess uh that need to uh take a look at both in terms of the tiers billings and then with that rate increase how do you want to redistribute the tier cost yeah all right uh and tom already answered the mwra charge information
yep the 160k estimate yep and i just hope that they are not as accurate with uh that billing for which is what we think versus the uh srf alone okay a little political pun uh okay update on fiscal 26 budget for uh snow and ice oh you're on mute tom tom you're on mute sorry about that um i was saying that uh if joe du said still has his eyes open because he's only gotten four hours of sleep in the last 48 hours but uh he was preparing uh some figures for us tonight so i'll defer to joe and he can talk to this topic so what was the exact question just want to know how much trouble we're in what's that how i phrase the budget or the total over budget so about we're going to be expecting somewhere in the tune of uh between four and five hundred thousand over budget based on we've still a five weeks left we've got some bills that still have to go out um we had to order more salt based on uh this past storm uh just to give you a a level of magnitude this particular storm that just happened this weekend cost us over a hundred thousand so um yeah you can see where the money is going as a reminder this is the one budget category where you are not bound uh for what you set up at the year you can overspend that and it gets funded then the next year correct i think there's a transfer like a current year transfer a town meeting or something like that if there's if there's any good news to that um due to the timing of the year right now we were able to uh utilize uh we do have a contract for but utilize some different salt products we'll save us some money uh we don't have to necessarily use the treated right now because of the temperature swing it's actually temperatures are coming up um and the good news what about five weeks until spring i think st patty's day we always get a nice nice snowstorm um carol does uh select board have to do anything with this information in terms of the uh town meeting and any of the uh proposals or expenses yes so the top uh so the time yes so the select board will deal with this after i finish choking uh mr kevenny will provide us with a recommendation how we fund this i think mike wigabawa said it's done through current year transfer that's the correct thing if we have enough funds in the current year budget um we will make we will make that um you know perhaps if somebody in one department or one budget line they sometimes move that over to cover this they can do it through an article at town meeting it also could be done in the last uh a couple weeks of the fiscal year with the finance committee and the select board have to approve it uh if we don't have enough funds then we'll have to go funds to do that we'll have to go to town meeting and ask for um pay that bill okay do you need anything from joe to uh help you handle that i think that you go right through brian don't you we do yep yep and he's tuned in uh not that full amount because obviously this last storm uh had a had an impact but we have been keeping him apprised of of this deficit spend that we're going to experience did he have a heart attack he he knew of half of it uh and he he seemed like he was in in in control of himself so when it went when he woke up from feigning all right well i think yeah i think the four to five hundred will will cause him to have to sit back yeah it's one of those things that uh i mean everybody knows how this works is that uh you know you you set a budget it was five and a quarter i think we recommended brian recommended raising it to five fifty and fyi twenty seven um once that budget is set you can never go back you can't lower it so that's why municipalities are reticent to to just you know make it eight hundred thousand because then you've got to be able to fund that every single year and you can't reduce it so all communities kind of under fund to a degree this year during the first part of the season many of our events were treating events you know and we're paying you know joe can tell you i think it's close to a hundred dollars a ton um in salt right now and a lot of the events happened after hours over weekends during holidays i think joe you said the labor alone for last night two days ago was thirty eight thousand dollars that was just our staff in overtime um you know so those are some of the reasons the january 25th storm was a hundred and fifty thousand dollars yesterday's joe saying a hundred you know so it just kind of gives you a sense of why it is that we're now looking at you know a nine hundred thousand dollar snow season yeah uh because of the concern is that one of the people said in the public comment about some of these snow piles that are blocking visibility is there any requirement or thought process about having to start to haul some of these away to a snow farm or put it someplace where it's not going to be uh blocking visibility especially with a couple more snow storms that are coming this week so within the past few weeks we've actually been doing that we've been we've been moving and relocating snow and cutting sight line issues down of course that's now increased again and will be ongoing doing this work uh throughout the days with for the next few weeks okay is that extra cost or do we do that within the workforce that we have without overtime so if i can get as we get as much done as we can during regular hours if um if in the horizon it looks like we're going to get another substantial storm then we may have to do a couple uh night uh night moves but right now we can deal with it during the day okay do you have target intersections that you go after first you prioritize those we well we we definitely do obviously the major intersections where we have the most snow um and we work from there obviously crosswalk areas school areas um i get priority today was you know again sidewalks and crosswalks and things like that um so yeah we we do we do have a plan and we we tend to follow it i mean granted we haven't hauled snow since uh 2015 so okay well we we thank you and your people for all their hard work you guys uh deserve it all the praise you get yeah well thanks for that thank you i will do that okay anybody have any other questions on that okay tom you're on for uh new water reporting usage yeah this was a a topic i know at least the first one um george i think you you know you would brought up the the point that you know throughout the years the fact that we have to report to the mass dep based upon a calendar year and we actually uh you know a lot of our billing is through fiscal year and we've had a difficult time in trying to uh reconcile those figures and when i say reconcile it's it's really the water that's produced at our plants which is what the dep is interested and then it's the water that's charged which obviously is a fiscal year and with the implementation of quarterly billing uh but in essence you know much more frequent reading we will have the ability to do a better job and and in reconciling those figures so uh we're looking forward to that so i think that there was just an interest in having me explain you know that point yeah let me uh i made the request because i'm always concerned about you know do we have water that is not being billed and part of the new meter is the increased accuracy so with the new system the question is we can we know how much water we produce and then if the system can tell us how many gallons or dollars i guess it'd be cubic feet they have water that we have actually uh charged to the users not build but actually the charge that shows their usage comparing the two we should get for the first time a real apples to apples comparison of produced versus utilized by our you by our users and i think that is an interesting information and then it will give us some ability to start to track down if we have areas where we have something that doesn't work yeah and with the mwra connection part of their requirements is to do uh you know a much uh detailed evaluation of water accountability so we'll have the ability of you know knowing what we produce in january and we'll know what we actually metered in january to be able to offer those figures in a much more uh precise manner okay anybody have questions okay and then consumption comparison yeah i know we've been speaking uh to a large degree about the expected increase in um
metered consumption based upon having accurate meters i know there's been uh some figures floated around i think the board uh used a six to nine percent when thinking about our water rates uh last june and when we look at this month by month um it it doesn't really have a lot of consistency so what we did this time is we just looked from last july till january and then the same period the year prior when the older meters were in place and we're actually seeing um about a 12 increase in consumption for those seven months so it it uh it just gives you a sense of it you know i can't attribute that attribute that entirely to new meters but um i thought it would be of interest that you know we are we are actually experiencing or showing an increase in metered consumption and that's reflected in your revenue projection for the year yeah it does it does coincide yep okay so just again wanted to wanted to point that out give you an update on on that that topic thank you okay anybody have questions on that before we move on okay mike your your ball game now transfer station evaluation got it um so we met again today uh today so the last time we met we ranked there were three respondents and i think i mentioned last time all we felt were qualified um very well qualified and two were tied uh with the highest rating um and we selected one bclw they were they are a massachusetts based firm uh the other two were um out of state uh and joe i think you mentioned that we've worked with julia who's the principal there uh she was our dep representative at one point uh before she um i assume she retired or or left the dep um so we felt that she had the best understanding of the the massachusetts laws and um and her proposal was the best in terms of understanding what we were looking for today we met we met to discuss the scope um you know it is called the municipal trash pickup study um we're trying to figure out i'm trying to figure out how do we merge and it's in there it's in the scope how do we merge the coordination of the hybrid system the existing transfer station coupled with uh coordinated pickup and so uh we discussed our scope and the next task is to meet with bclw and julia to discuss the plan um carol would you like to add anything carol is on the committee as well no no i'm just thankful that you asked me to participate i'm enjoying it it's uh i think we're going to have a i think we've chosen wisely but we were lucky that we had such wonderful options to choose from yeah well there's a number of towns in our surrounding areas like medway for example they have both a transfer station and trash pickup will they be looking at some of those and give us some feedback in terms of how they work things that was on the list of our request for scope um to ensure we do some survey of of like towns um to look at how they're handling uh you know how they're set up first of all uh do they have coordinated pickup do they have a transfer station and how is it how is it paid how uh how is that supported uh and funded uh so yes yeah and also how much where the town actually contributes to some of that cost in terms of the transfer station how is it funded yeah so that's that's the question we're looking at how how are how is this funded is it um is it the town funding it through the general fund is it um rate uh sticker uh holders paying the the the way um and you know one of the the concerns we have is how much of this will impact the dpw because the dpw is already over overwhelmed we don't you know as much as possible we won't we don't or at least this is my opinion i guess so we don't want to add to that um number one cost to the town of managing this uh where folks go directly um to um to the companies they engage right now and it's all uh it's all on the um homeowner to do that how much of that coordination uh will require town resources and what's the cost of that and who does the billing for example yeah exactly yeah we talked about that too yep okay good anybody have questions okay thank you sir sure we'll have a monthly update on this going forward yes okay okay mr spellman yes sir you're up all right um if i can share my screen really quickly
yeah see that coming sir it says it's coming not there nope not there yet did you double click it says double click oh that's just for full screen okay maybe stop and try again um there it is it just i got it yeah okay it went away uh so we just we're just at our final meeting or hopefully our final meeting you you lost so the 17 it just went away it just went away yeah all right all right i'll i'll try very quickly one more time got it now it just took a while last time to uh there it is okay all right so there's the 17 uses for 17 acres well we didn't want to let perfect get in the way of good so we've got six of them um and what it comes down to is here's your look at your site plan um with this area this corridor here being route 20 uh boston post road and so we've got our bus parking dpw lay down area um athletic field parking for 82 vehicles and then uh we've got our uh walking trail down here for uh walking trail down here for for um future use for possibly the other other parts of this um ideas that we had which were amphitheater river access area dog park all these interesting things that could be done with these areas but this is what we are um this is what we're going to be putting forward to the select board to to for consideration in the future um we did remove lighting from this field and at this time uh solar a solar array over here um much like what we have over at the town building or at the high school might be difficult because of the height of the school buses that will be parked there um so we took away the solar for now um let's see i need to so just mike just before you go so you're right now there's three things bus parking the lay down area and is in an athletic field with parking um also trailhead uh there's a trailhead uh that goes down to the goes right down to the uh national wildlife preserve okay that's also there
good um and then there is a vegetative border that surrounds everything that makes it nice uh view out onto the national wildlife and also it is uh also restricts viewing from the water so we're not interrupting any nature that's happening out in the out in the area how do you separate maybe they don't want to be looking maybe the birds and other animals don't want to be looking at what we're doing yeah uh how do you separate the uh athletic fields versus that lay down area so you don't have kids uh going from one to the other is it fenced or something because you know kids will be kids um no there's no there's no fence um i i don't think it's been discussed yet whether there'll be a fence in between the field area and the parking area it's just right now it's labeled flexible outdoor space maybe there will be a fence around the athletic field tom do you do you do you recall any of this yes i don't think it was discussed so i did have a conversation with ed you care who is the principal of the collaborative that put all of this together and we did speak to the need to section off the bus and materials management section from the recreational uh component because you're right george kids would gravitate down there and uh that that area would be no place for kids so i'm not sure if it's been yet determined how there'll be a separation there but there was talk of needing something okay yeah i agree
that's great we did we did have weston and sampson uh give us a ballpark figure on the cost here and it came out just over five million dollars okay that looks nice yeah uh rest rest rest rest room um would probably be in the form of part of parties over here for the athletic fields would that path uh potentially be part of the rail trail hookup um i don't think so i think the rail trail diverges further closer to russell's garden center um okay it it it heads out to the other side of the uh of the marsh got it good progress very nice yep yeah it's good work yep okay anybody have questions questions for mr spelman it's good okay minutes start with the january 20th uh on the january 20th and the february 9th minutes uh it said members present but there's more than members listed there on both of those so i'm not sure if you need to uh change that heading somewhat and do members and participants yeah we can we can change that you know there's been a real push to have um a structured minute format and we have some limits and to what we can actually change um but i see your point that you know it's not just members that we've got uh other folks that that attend so i i will work towards that or just change your heading to attend people yeah yeah yep yep okay uh my first comment is on page four does anybody have anything before page four on the january 20th minutes no i don't okay there's a uh talks about your advising how payments can be made electronically and will inquire whether invoices could be delivered electronically uh i assume that's still in process because it's on the uh task listing yes yeah yeah i mean i i wasn't certain how we can do it at this point but i do recall um and it's on my uh tasks to do yes okay uh then on page five is the uh transfer station information again that's not in the uh the warn article so just again reiterate that anybody have any what did you want me to do with this just just a reminder to everybody that we've asked about it but haven't gotten anywhere you know not changing the minutes but just a oh got it yep reminder okay uh anybody have any comments on the february 2nd other than those any comments on the february 9th just chi egg uh there's one misspelling of chang uh uh page six of the february 9th of the february 2nd which which version mike 20th oh the 20th bear with me all right so back on page six under the january 6 2026 minutes maybe i'm maybe i'm ahead oh i see yeah no i got it yep yep yep i see it yep okay anything else on the uh 20th or february 9th minutes if not can i have a motion to accept these two minutes so moved okay mike wagenbauer moved mr spellman will you second thank you roll call vote wagenbauer i spellman yes ed hi and george i four zero zero okay uh any member concerns um just uh sorry maybe i missed this february 9th um i think i i had asked um and it states this that i had asked about ever source helping with those four trees on lincoln road um i believe we received an affirmative from our ever source rep who said he could help with those um is he going to do that or was just yeah we could do that doesn't mean he will uh it sounded like he was agreeing to do that because uh they i'm not disagreeing with you mike my question to tom is is he doing it i'll defer to uh joe joe so i did speak with them um they do have it on the list to do as long as they uh have enough money in their budget to take them down they they offer a lot kind of similar to us they allot so many trees to be removed within their budget but he did agree that if it was in their budget they would remove them great yeah because it sounds like they're around power lines and they would qualify i think it's one of those they'd prefer to do it themselves and run the risk of having us do it yeah there's power lines involved which is okay with us we don't we don't we don't touch it our contractor does but that's okay yeah i just i don't know if we should include that somewhere here that he seemed to indicate that that uh would be possible okay tom can you make that change where just tell me what uh the board what what what you want where do you want it and i'm not quite sure i see where i'm going to add this but just let me know and uh pay it's i i think page one 112 lincoln road probably would be the best place to but i i think i think i asked him later in the meeting but i'm so i'm not sure if i asked it exactly at that time but that's what it's related to so i can say ever source oh maybe i did ask it then at that time because as i can close to our lines perhaps ever source can remove the trees and and matt had indicated that that would be possible
got it don't add anything about he agreed because that was after he didn't agree yeah he didn't he didn't agree he just said that that that could be possible yeah yeah i'm writing it down verbatim all right okay board concerns any earned for the uh loud drivers it's no removal team i share that concern none here other than that anybody okay none okay the dates of the upcoming meetings uh march 17th is saint patty's day do we really want to have that meeting on that date um should we shoot for the 10th that's what i was thinking because of the other with the warrants and things yeah i think that makes sense yeah i can change that to the 10th is that is it good for i don't know if you want to pull the rest of the group there does that work mike and ed i can do the 10th cool i should be able to also i have a conflict will you be wearing green i don't think so not at this item well that would be the 17th that wouldn't be a conflict on well it could be a conflict yeah we're talking the 10th yeah she could start on the 10th and then on the 17th all right let's make it the 10th because i don't want to go to the 24th because there may be things yeah we need to do for the town meeting yeah the warrant agreed okay we have the april 7th is the forum and then april 21st sounds good i'm good topics not reasonably anticipated any staff have none anybody nope nothing here okay can i have a motion to adjourn so moved so moved okay second then okay spellman moved like about our second uh roll call vote mike spellman yes mike wagenbauer yes ed yeah you've just yes four zero zero thank you very much
go ahead i thank you so much um first i want to thank the dpw um since our directors i'm sorry yeah no the board of public works since our director is here today for the tremendous work keeping our roads plowed during the storm i have friends on the south coast their roads haven't been plowed yet they've been without heat um or water or electricity for days and um so it really made me appreciate the work that was done so uh quick questions um are my comments um one bridges over waterways are required to allow the recreational boat traffic underneath will the bridge with the substructure additions allow this to continue the way it is um project guidelines for bridges over water also emphasize ensuring good visibility through the railings for drivers and continued use for non-drivers but the current design of the railings does not do this i'm wondering if they can be more like the original railings and have the verticals instead of the horizontal boards um i'm wondering what is the nature of this project is it considered bridge rehab rehabilitation superstructure replacement um in which case um okay yeah deck replacement in which case actually it does not have to be upgraded to um current uh bridge requirements or other bridge preservation projects um also has a limit on how much updating it needs because i'm particularly concerned about those um all the added stuff on the surface especially the guard rails and especially since we have no history of accidents on the bridge and there is supposed to have been an accident history as part of the um i'm sorry can i talk somebody's talking and please mute yourself i'm sorry i need to speak when they're not talking thank you i'll give you some more time thank you very much please mute yourself you drowned it out the speaker go ahead thank you so much um have all the uh guidelines for the mass dot bridge manual part 100th anniversary been addressed um for example looking at accident history on the bridge and of course there isn't any um and particularly what exactly is mass dot going to be covering cost wise the town managers um expressed in a letter to mass dot that um that um they were confirming its mass dots continue support and involvement in the sherman bridge repair project including funding and purchasing all materials as well as using its contracted service provider to carry out the work for both towns but when mass dot replied they said we will find procurement of the glue laminated timber materials required for the repairs as well as the timber for the sidewalk and bridge and the bridge and approaching railing we will also provide a mass dot contractor to work with the communities to complete this work so okay i'm gonna have to cut you off now because you're you you went over your extra time i'm sorry i just want to know who's paying for what and how much are we going to be paying for and what is the budget the actual budget now thank you thank you do we have anybody else uh i got richard turner okay go ahead can you hear me yes um i just want to say a big thank you to the dpw for all their hard work during this uh storm this was a bad bad storm as i drive around town there were huge piles of snow and we have more coming now we're going to run out of space sooner or later where we can put the stuff and uh i noticed there's a huge pile right at the end of my street on north hill road it's making a little hard to see around the corner there and uh you just have to pull out a little ways to see but anyways thank you again for all your hard work thank you for your comments do we have someone else no i see no one else okay very good uh tom uh it's now up to you for the sherman bridge update yes certainly so uh a week or so ago the project team um presented and posted on their web page uh a project update which was uh really crafted to be at a glance it was uh a more of an outline it was able to establish what has been accomplished what we've been able to include with the bridge uh we also were able to speak about what could not be included with the bridge repair and then it just listed some items uh more of a status on some of the issues that were raised during during conversations and uh it was our intent because there have been a number of items that have been included with the design that i know were sought through public involvement and public comment so i wanted to identify those and i can speak to those tonight this update was also um not only posted on the web the project web page but it was also uh distributed to an extensive distribution list email list that we have so i we did the best we could in uh notifying upwards of 60 or 70 different folks and entities so hopefully everybody's had the opportunity to to take a look at this update uh one of the most significant items that we've been able to address in a positive manner meaning uh to the desires of public comment that was received is that massdot has expressed their acceptance of steel backed guardrails not only on the north side of the bridge the bridge approaches but also on the south side of the bridge approaches so i i know there was some talk about being able to box in you know the the w style guardrail the steel guardrails uh we were able to do better than that that they were receptive after evaluating that item with us extensively so that was a very positive thing so now the design does include um in essence wooden guardrails they're the same as the approach guardrails that are currently in place now on both both approach sides so that was good the design package has been submitted to massdot and uh they're they've recognized accepting that and we're expecting their their comments uh relatively quickly but because we do know that uh um you know there has been extensive uh communications back and forth during the design process with massdot so they're fully familiar with what this design looks like and the reasons why the design parameters are as they are we also have reached out and are beginning conversations with both conservation departments uh both in sudbury and weyland we actually have a meeting scheduled tomorrow with them to begin conversations toward our submittal of a notice of intent and then going through a hearing process with both of those respective um conservation commissions we do have um at the the weyland department of public works a sample of glulam um if allowed i can if anybody's interested i can actually share a photograph of it if it's on the uh can everybody see that yes yes so um i mean i know there's been a lot of questions uh a lot of remarks relative to glulam uh there's a strong desire to have the bridge made of wood and this is a sample of what glulam looks like it is yellow pine it is wood nothing but wood and uh this is what the deck this is what the rails uh will all be made of from abutment to abutment this is the product and we'd be happy to uh have folks if they wanted to pay us a visit at the weyland dbw building we'd be happy to uh to show folks this they can look at it touch it feel it examine it but uh hopefully this picture ensures that it is indeed wood right so i i don't have any uh intention of you know reading the full update that was put up on the uh on the project webpage but i would be uh happy to answer questions that the uh the board members might have anybody have questions uh i read the report i mean it looks like again as though you've done an excellent job of taking in all of the comments from with the various opinions and and coming up with a um a solution that looks like it beats uh most of the demands and requests so um and i think as of uh the last meeting we've addressed that concern about that gap um between the railing and the and the surface um so that that's appreciated as well um i don't know i i know there were a number of questions from one of the uh folks in public folks in public comment were any of those not addressed in that um in the document and the update yes i was taking some notes while that previous speaker was speaking uh there is no change to the ability of boats kayaks anything uh to have access underneath the bridges there's nothing changing there there are a number of um um support braces that are going to be replaced in kind so that doesn't change and one of the piles will be jacketed uh sleeved to provide uh better support there was a repair that was needed for that so but that will not impede uh any access or people won't even even even really notice it at all yeah um this is a deck repair uh mass dot uh has characterized it as a project to preserve uh the life of the bridge and knowing that the deck is in disrepair so that is the characterization of the project and i don't see any changes that would prohibit any current use of the river uh as it stands there is none no the both launches it was inferred a number of times that the project was going to restrict or reduce accessibility uh to the two launches on the on the wayland side that is not the case the guard rails will be in the same footprint that they're currently in access to those boat ramps will remain the same as it is today awesome thanks for the update sure happy to do it anyone else okay and again that is available on the website right it's on the web page front and center okay can you guys hear me now yes yes all right good geez i don't know what's going on with my system here but glad to be glad to be heard okay uh town meeting articles start with the uh cips questions that people may have i've got a couple about lets you guys go first i guess one of the reasons that uh we included this this item under this agenda was that uh earlier in december and january both the operating and capital budgets were voted um but uh it was purposely left uh that the cips had not been voted until we actually provided the funding sources for those so based upon the finance department's funding sources that they've identified in their capital budget i've updated those cips to reflect that so you'll see those at the bottom of each of the cips you'll now see um under the funding source heading nearly the exact language that's used in the capital budget the one dramatic change that i made to the long-term water supply cip was we received some concerning news on friday afternoon that whalen was not accepted to receive a state revolving fund loan to say that i was alarmed as an understatement uh stood about this all day friday and over the weekend um did reach out to my srf representative um got a couple of emails looking to shore up um the conversation so that we can understand directly why it is that we were not accepted because over the past 18 months we've been assured that this project met the spirit of the zero percent loan the fact that it was for pfos mitigation it would rate very high our submittal that we uh put together earlier uh mid calendar year 2025 was a very strong submittal we actually had a prediction within that that um our rating should have been about 538 when we got notice of the posted intended use plan is what the srf group calls it our rating was 231 so that really doesn't make any sense to us yesterday we filed um notice that we intend to appeal this um it it doesn't make any sense that you know the characteristics of this project what the srf loan was described to us to be for it almost appears as if something was misunderstood by the review group at the clean water trust the only hope that i have that appeal might be successful is if it is identified that there was a misunderstanding that somehow the reviewers didn't pick up on the fact that it is directly related to pfos mitigation to put our project back on would likely mean that somebody another community would be removed and i know that would not be politically popular so i i'm really not certain how successful i will be but we're going to go through the motions and i'll uh there's actually a date to make testimony march 24th why we'll be doing that and fingers crossed that there's some valid reason or a valid misunderstanding that hopefully we can be placed back on it but i have uh spoken with both michael mccall uh with brian keveney we spoke again today uh trying to craft you know the alternative uh a more conventional borrow we know what the the interest rate would be uh it's significantly higher it has a much more significant impact to um our expenses the debt service expenses that will be incurred through this um so we are positioning ourselves to to go with plan b but we're not relinquishing plan a just quite yet but obviously the the warrant has got to be revised to show that the srf is one possibility that is now less than likely and the alternative that's right yeah so the uh yeah i know carl barnes who who was unable to make it tonight to join the meeting i've been working closely with him on crafting language uh so we will make that adjustment such that it it uh actually represents uh our current understanding of our loan loan options yeah so when we met with greg devine right yes who oversees the state revolving fund he indicated that pfos um remediation projects take priority uh and he did seem to indicate he he didn't guarantee anything of course but he did seem to indicate that we had a very strong chance of of receiving approval so that was my interpretation yes yeah yep and we met with him twice right met with him twice i speak and email with him regularly and uh there's never been an indication and that the um that intended use plan usually comes out in january you know so i towards the latter part of january i reached out to him just saying hey i haven't seen it any news and he said that they were delayed in putting it out but not to worry and then friday he was away uh last week so what is but you know we're all tuned into this iup comes out of the clean water trust and actually comes out of the division of uh um finance and uh so we got tuned into it friday afternoon went through it it's not not easy to to to read all the stuff uh but there were a number of us that looked at it on our own and we all came up with the same uh outcome that you had no wayland was indeed not on the list wow yeah is it uh easy to tell what the uh projects are if they're pfos related okay uh not really not really you can see you can see the town you can see the title of it you can see their rating um they might they might be a brief explanation of each one of them but it's really just a table so the information is limited but the fact that we were rated less than half of what we should have been that just it doesn't make sense yeah wow that's huge that's a that's an understatement yes and obviously that's going to have a significant impact in terms of the borrowing cost and so i've run some you know calculations but it depends with that size uh borrowing what you can do with the investment bankers in terms of how you structure the payments whether it be a fixed payment with decreasing interest and increasing principle like your mortgage would be or if it's a principal payment of x plus the interest on the remaining cost but you know could could be uh you know a very significant number uh to the tune of you know four to five million dollars in the first year costs in the worst case scenario
yeah so brian is he was already communicating with um hilltop which he gets a lot of guidance and advice financial advice from them so he already has them working through this uh to try to offer up you know what precisely we could expect if we had to go through a conventional borrowing i will get that information to matt abraham's uh been already communicated this to him and uh he'll be able to put together impacts and update what that debt service would actually look like with this change and a loan approach anybody have any yeah the reason i brought it up under cips is the one of the i you know i i updated the cip for the the water article uh to remove uh that item at this point in time room remove which item uh i removed the statement that it was a zero percent loan got it i was kind of i was uh silent on that um because fincom is um i think it was a finance committee member april was actually uh working on a lot of this and and needed that information so these are the cips and and you'll see the the funding sources um all of which are you know general fund borrowing enterprise borrowing i've had tom two questions on the cips uh one is that we had talked before and had said that we didn't want the high school septic to be listed as a dpw project but it still is yeah so that that vote was made known by me to um finance uh the committee the cipc uh membership as well so i i uh i made that known that that was a vote a motion and a vote made by the board of public works so that was that was known i but i i i i that sounds like it was ignored ignored or uh thank you for your input this is where we think it should go yeah the problem i have is again with the all the projects that are coming down the pike the last thing we need is this especially because there's a lot of different discussions uh from what i understand in terms of the fields that are going to be replaced and time and some of that and i don't want to get brought into that discussion when we have bigger fish to fry so yeah okay carol i know that you're on can you uh help us out on this and help us understand why this would be a dpw project yeah carol martin uh lake road member of the select board hello i can't believe it i wanted to hear the conversation about article hh and i got called away by the town manager so i missed it so i'll have to circle back with someone tomorrow for that information um and just may i add one quick thing it's mr barnes and mrs martin working on that article right up the hh floor water supply okay i don't think we've gotten there yet on the capital projects let's see i believe the projects are not being managed by the various and sundry departments so for example a field is no longer being managed by recreation because that they don't have that skill set that goes to facilities and that's why the school um would not be overseeing the wastewater project because that's not the area of expertise i would think that the water commissioners and the water public works and the dpw water department would have that expertise to do it so that's most likely why that project is uh under dpw is that what they said to you tom yeah i mean yes and it falls in line with a there's a memorandum of understanding uh that's about a decade old we we follow that pretty closely and uh you know it's the folks that want the project need the project they're the ones that advocate for it they're the ones that become the champions for it uh once it is uh you know the appropriation is set and and voted upon dpw does have the wherewithal to manage you know construction so you know as an example abby charest uh the wastewater project is she's the lead on that she's also getting heavily involved with the baseball fields because we're if we're gonna if we're gonna experience um cost efficiencies by coupling the projects a lot of that cost efficiency is by having one designer uh one construction oversight one contractor all of that so um we become involved with things uh quite regularly that uh that involve construction even if we're not the ones that are advocating for it but that doesn't make it our project and this makes it our project so this is an interesting one because there was there's been conversation about coupling and i think even when tom presented to sipsy there was discussion of coupling those two projects together there was a thought that there might be some efficiency i believe that the sipsy uh the capital planning and improvement committee did not include the field component of this project in their recommended budget to the town manager because there was uh they were looking for site plan and exactly how much of the leach field and their work from the wastewater upgrade was actually going to infringe on the fields you know this and i don't believe they felt that they had that information it went to the fine i went to the tom manager and he and the finance together put together their recommended budget and they included it in and they sent that to the finance committee the finance committee i think tom you intended that last week yes um i missed it because i was um welcoming the uh women's 77th national bond spiel over boomstein boom stones to wayland on behalf of wayland um but i believe there was a uh some discussion again about we need a site plan that's not from what nine ten years old and we need to understand is this does it make sense does it make fully sense in order to do the couple of the projects um the finance committee voted not to recommend debt exclusion for that project and when they came before the um the select board the other night that project was not i don't believe has a funding source at the moment i don't know what's going to happen so at the moment george the only project out there is the wastewater if that helps no it still doesn't help because again i'm worried about how many dollars people are going to see being spent by the dpw and this is a very large component that's not really our project we may we may manage it like we do other things but that does not make it a dpw project so that's the answer should someone ask something then you say we're managing it for the on behalf of the town yeah well so somebody may get up and make that comment in the commentary okay uh next one i have a question on is the uh water main replacement uh it doesn't this shows it is a uh and i know it's same as bar it would be borrowed in november 26 so the first payment would be november of 27 for 18 months worth of interest assuming that it's done the normal way which is physical 28 i'm just wondering if somehow in the write-up or what people see that should be covered so you're you're suggesting that the timing be included is that well there's going to be a lot of focus on the impact on water rates and this you know unless change the way we normally would do things uh you know this would not necessarily hit physical 27 rates it'll hit physical 28 rates so so we need to take care of that in the water model is that what you're saying well rates well you you can decide it when you do the water model if you want to start to build some because we've talked before about you know the payment is actually in november of 27 so you only have three months four months worth of payment collections okay any versus when having enough cash to make the payment i'm just wondering if this there should be some kind of a commentary that they see that this is going to hit uh the race most likely in 28 not 27 or the first actual interest cost is 28 if you want to do it that way i don't know it's just a thought again i'm getting very concerned about the uh concern about the rates that are going to hit so i'll leave that up to tom and his people mr chair yes chair recognizes thank you um tom you could um request the finance committee when they write the capitals blurbs to maybe add that phrasing if you feel that's something you'd like to have in the little burls yeah there's no harm in it and you can ask all they can say is no is that does that work yeah yeah it works for me yeah i'm just trying to answer questions before they're asked or concerns about the impact on the rates carol just so you know you we're still on the cip so you didn't miss anything um thank you in terms of the articles yeah yeah yeah we're still getting to that a lot of meetings today and i'm a little ditzy right now but i'm sorry thank you um don't give me straight lines
tom uh you mentioned that uh these are all uh generally the cips are from borrowing i see a couple that's a general fund free cash um was that the finance committee's decision for the stormwater and i think there's one other yeah there is you're right there was there were free cash um and again i took that right off the language uh so yeah and the radio system upgrades and the yeah so that was i think there was one determination is and that that determination or recommendation uh was made by the finance department the finance team i call them um so that's that's what uh they've listed as the funding source for those so um i'm not well versed in how those decisions are made you know i know that there's a finite finite amount of free cash available at on any given fiscal year and i think that there's a determination on what's the best whether they borrow use some of the free cash or the general fund you know uh purchases yep okay and then the you just uh for the um connection construction you just uh struck the zero percent portion that one surprise fund borrowing yes um but it won't be the zero percent correct okay so i i go do you have a question no comment yes thank you mr chair um the stormwater is in the select boards budget it's in under the purview of the select board it's actually appears in the unclassified budget which is probably why it's funded by free cash yeah that's another project that isn't ours but dpw is overseeing no it is not board of public works but dpw is over but it is in the class on the unclassified budget got it which is under our purview and so we ask you to take care of it for us okay for it yep so can we bill for these services we need a markup um so george or unless we have other questions i can make a motion we're gonna do each one individually then i don't think we need to okay so i've got so we've got like three other ones that we need to talk about so okay okay let's talk about the water the article e tom i sent you a bunch of comments about article e because there's a number i'm sorry george what i meant was that we could make a motion to approve the cips before we get into the articles oh okay that's well okay that the cips are an article but that's fine i have no problem go ahead make your motion okay i'd like to make a motion to approve the cips as presented with the modifications discussed can i get a second second okay thank you so made by mike second by mike uh roll call mike weckebauer hi mike spellman hi ed is there it's muted but i summarized his hand that doesn't do us unfortunately ed can you unmute and say i okay ev just i four zero zero oh here he is go ahead ed ed you're off mute if you want to uh approve or disapprove okay get your vote ed ed can you hear us yeah can you say i if you approve the cip motion thank you okay next one is uh article e i sent everybody out some comments on article e because there's a number of things that uh just didn't flow right tom and i don't know if you've had a chance to look at that things like the 200 000 use of retained earnings for the water fund and 50 000 for the transfer station uh the comment that the transfer station is not going to get a supplement from the uh town this year uh the fact that the amounts that are in here don't match the budget that you gave us so i'm not sure which is right if the budget's changed probably should get that out if you had tom have you had a chance to look at those so i did have a chance on several of them um so relative to the there's no reference to the 200 000 in the water enterprise fund to be used from retained earnings um so the day after our meeting in january so it would have been january 21st i sent a an email to brian uh copied the the membership here uh just notifying brian the motions and the vote uh that was taken the night before relative to 200 000 to be listed in the article to be used uh water retained earnings 50 000 to be used in retained earnings for the transfer station and fifty thousand dollars uh in a general fund subsidy for the transfer station at that point in time i thought that that was adequate to to be able to have article e listed the way that the board wanted to have it listed when i was researching this topic in preparation for the meeting tonight i saw that those things were missing i spoke with brian about it um and he had said that that email alone would not have caused that to happen i wasn't aware of that um he was saying that we would have to submit a revised budget for both the transfer station and the water enterprise uh to the finance committee showing those items um so we did that and uh that went off midweek last week so um i i think it i think it would be prudent if somebody from the board of public works wanted to dash off an email um affirming or reaffirming the board's desire to have these items listed in article e i think that would be helpful okay is that carl i don't know if carl's doing article e or not to be honest with you i forget who that is i'm not sure if i ever knew well he's our liaison so i'll start with him is that who you're suggesting we address that to tom yeah i would i would include in the email i'm not sure who it would be addressed to but i would certainly either address it to or copy um our finance committee liaison brian keveney um you know carol we add carol to a lot of things so that wouldn't hurt okay i will take that on uh how about some of the other things where the amounts don't agree and some of the wording doesn't make sense that i pointed out you had a chance to so that that i haven't had a moment to address excuse me um mr chair the um article e enterprise fund budgets select board liaison is ann brensley and the finance committee liaison is pam roman okay thank you for that uh
so would we send that to uh pam roman then instead of carl copy carl i got i'll send it to all i'll send it to everybody okay sounds good copy of the world uh all right now take and try and build them into the the same because this is their project tom do you know if the the amounts that changed was there a new budget or no no the budget uh was the same one that we produced in january the only reason was that the budget did not show uh these particular use of retained earnings because when that budget was formulated and submitted back in december this board had not yet voted you know how we were going to handle that so that's why but the the figures that you're referencing i don't know why it would it should add up i mean it's it but yeah but this is the operating budget expenses that where that expenses are going to be covered by are not relevant to the budget right right yep yep okay so i don't know why i'm not sure why that changed i was not notified that uh our budget has been altered okay and then the uh
on that point um tom maybe you can forward the uh the updated budgets that you sent along to um i assume you sent those to brian yeah i sent them to brian and um he had there was somebody that he had included from the finance committee um it might have actually been pam roman but i'll i'll dig up that email and forward it to the board cool thank you okay uh then in the uh second paragraph on toxic substantial rate where it says we'll be funded with a rate increase it really should be water rate increase i think but i'll put that all together in the one comment and copy these people and copy the board all right disappointing i don't there should not be a motion on that one at this point correct
okay uh letter of uh support yes ed thank you thank you that's great so would you like that um placed on board of public works letterhead is that what uh was that you know ed does sign it as a member of the board of public works so it might be a nice look to it if i was to just put it on to board of public works letterhead can we do that from a member yes board of public works letterhead for the board not dpw okay uh do we need then a motion to approve that from the boards to keep everybody happy sure i wouldn't mind it yeah yeah i'll make a motion uh to approve the letter of support uh from ed um and to put it on board of public works letterhead and have him sign it can i get a second
second okay uh roll call vote mike wagenbauer yes mike spellman yes ed yes and george yes yes four zero zero okay article mr chair can i pop in slowly i wanted to comment like what a wonderful wonderful wonderful letter that you wrote ed or mr chang uh i i think you took something so complicated and you made it into very basic layman terms um i'm working on this article hh as i said with carl barnes and i hope you don't mind but i'd like to take a couple of your phrases and see if we can't work them into the write-up i think they're um our write-up is very formal but i think that some of this language if it's okay with you i'd like to just sort of borrow a few of your phrases would that be okay ed yeah is that okay okay i'm going to borrow some of your phrases and put them in the article right up if that's okay i love this thank you thank you thank you and uh tom will that be posted on our way on the website yeah i was thinking of a couple of places we would uh uh use it we would certainly have it at the forum we would have copies we're going to talk a little bit about forum coordination here in a moment um have it at town meeting um yeah any place we can put this would be helpful okay okay next uh item is article hh uh should we table that one until we get a revision for the the new information today or how do you want to go about that yeah i had included in the packet you know at the time of distribution which was you know friday morning that was the latest version uh that had been going around between finance committee and the finance department uh so i included it in the packet um but certainly there'll be new language associated with the zero percent interest loan the srf loan so um this is really just you know for informational purposes only i think once once we create it we send it off to the finance committee um member that's actually doing the write-up there was a fair amount of back and forth i think a number of members were were involved with it um so this is really just for informational purposes on this is the the latest version of that okay a couple things number one uh matt's going to come back with the percentages in terms of the increases yeah the 41 32 yes yep and and everybody should recognize that that's because i had forgotten until i went back and read it a second time that that's where they we think is going to be in 29 not necessarily 27 so have two more years of inflation for the rest of the budget uh and then there's some questions about the percentage of average uses uh and also uh carl barns made a comment here that i don't think that this is an issue about using water rates versus taxation and that is a improper statement because i think it is an issue uh so can we make sure that uh carl understands that because i don't want to be have something out there that is an untruism in terms of where i stand okay anything else on hh anybody all right so was this just a question uh i see um one one line struck um so is that carl making those edits or is this like a collaboration with a few folks looking at this i think this is between carl and carol okay that's not us this is their rework because as you remember you know our section is limited to that top paragraph after that it's fincom with the board of selectmen okay so carl that uh uh the edits here are yours along with carl's is that i think i'm see we both have the same initials and i was looking at that quickly i think i'm cb2 i think he's cb1 and then after we've discussed i think he's cb3 but i think i'm b2 here okay it was really well written i think um we actually if it's mr sheriff it's all right if i help in here we thank you we um we were going to look at this on um last night at the select board meeting and i want to change up in the text um i had an issue with the word permanent even though we've been using that because we have temporary currently permanent implies to me never ever have to do anything again which we all know things need to be fixed replaced whatever so um we kind of were moving towards long term we liked the long term and use and replacing some of that language with um dual source you know uh option program um and i noticed the other day that that that word permanent i think is in the text you know that we vote it tell me now when uh when it goes to the select what i'm going to suggest we just take that little phrase out just construct the you know whatever we're going to do dual source option or whatever so that's one thing that carl and i really were looking at um i agree that makes sense yeah that's not the right one that i'm working on and now i've seen some of these sentences that ed's put together that i really like that i'm going to go back maybe making a few more edits but essentially the article is pretty well written um we just now have to deal with this new um boomerang challenge just a challenge just a teeny challenge just a tiny challenge that's right okay and at some point again that'll come back to all the members of the board uh that would be for carl to send that to you i will be just sending it to the select board which i hope to do next monday um we have to vote these all finals have to be done by the 16th to make the warrant so um let me check with carl when i talk to him i'm sure he'll share it with tom and you and you can take you right he has been he's been very good about that yeah um thinking he is versus the 16th say that again please i'm thinking of when our next meeting is versus the 16th the deadline uh but because we originally did the warren article before approved it i think we're probably okay but tom if you would i think we should circulate it to the full board once it comes in can do okay george uh i think judy and myself were asked to um work on this um if possible maybe carol and and carl once they're done could share that with judy and and i to make comments without having it be a um open meeting issue well that well if it comes from tom in terms of what the status is and anything goes back to tom that's not an open meeting issue because no we're not there's no discussion between board members okay i think you might run into open reading though mike because we're sharing george as well yeah yeah i think it should maybe should be shared the updated version should be shared with i think everyone on the board what i'm suggesting and suggesting is that maybe judy and i would provide any comments we have on the changes made um not that you would have to make changes based on those comments but we would just provide comments for you to consider why we might have written it in in that way so technically it's the finance committee's uh comments therefore they have the final you know you have to have someone who is the head they do yeah yeah yeah on all of these even um now this one's a little different because we're co-sponsors but in general you defer to the finance committee otherwise we never finish them no i wasn't suggesting we would have any final say i just uh since we put together the wording uh and there are there's a change we might provide a comment as to why it was written that way i'll mention your desires to mr barnes does that work well yeah i was just asking george if we should um we were designated to help put this together if we can continue that process and and provide comments on the updated version i have no problem my only concern is that some of the information doesn't track to what we've already had so make sure you go back to the budgets and the percentages and a lot of the things that i had developed so okay okay anything else on the warrant articles do you want to talk about item three long-term water supply forum coordination uh yeah yes i don't see that on here but yes please yeah so we've it's not in the packet it's in the agenda yeah i'm looking at the agenda that's why i don't see it oh okay go ahead yeah so we've got the forum scheduled for april 7th 7 p.m it'll be in person and remote we'll have it at the council on aging it'd be nice to have it at their nice brand new facility um we'll organize the audio visual so i would imagine many of us will be attending in person or any of us that can will be there in person it'll i would imagine it would be very similar to the form that we had about a year ago when we were asking for design funds and so kleinfelder would develop a presentation that i would have ready for our march meeting so you'd have an opportunity to to look at and make remarks and then we would have question and answer period of anybody that's in person or somebody that tunes in remotely waycam will record it so it'll be something that somebody can look at and review after the fact between that night and and may 4th town meeting so that was the format that i was going to suggest but i'm certainly open to uh other suggestions if uh you see you know an improvement to that what time tom 7 p.m okay yeah sounds good to me sounds good here yep one thing tom i think we should make sure of is that for the next meeting which is before the forum that brian comes in and gives us some information in terms of what he sees with the investment bankers and matt comes in with his estimate of what the uh percentage impacts are okay because obviously the uh percentages that are in hh uh are no longer applicable if they're dealing with the srf amounts not not you know the uh higher rates uh for market rate and then brian's got to give us some information are we talking about a fixed payment where it's like your mortgage or is it going to be like a regular bond where you're paying interest plus the same amount every month of principal because there's significant differences between the two and also then you know the 20 versus 30 year and the significant increase that would be in terms of the total cost to the town and the water users
so i think that's all got to be ironed out before that forum i made note and we'll make that happen okay and i've got some analysis i can send you and i'll send it to brian and it's very back of the envelope but it kind of gives you at least a ballpark kind of thought process okay okay okay next one is the anything else on that section i think we covered it all okay next one is the water enterprise fund update so the first item under that heading is the fy26 forecast um relative to the water budget revenue and expenses what you have in your packet is a spreadsheet um i don't have it available to to share it was one thing i didn't uh didn't grab i'm not sure if if you want it need it anybody wants to put that up but um do you want me to share what's in the packet yeah if you yeah if you can that that's fine yep that's that's what i'm kind of speaking to if that uh it's a spreadsheet with some yellow uh
yep that's it yes yeah thank you for that yeah so what you'll see is um the first column shows all the the cost centers that we have within the water budget second column is what we actually have in the fy26 budget for all of those cost centers and then the next column is on february 18th was what we actually had spent to date in each one of those and what myself don millet and anita martin did was we went through each line and evaluated um you know what we thought we would need to purchase what we would spend for each one of these cost centers so each one of those lines is you know the best prediction that we can come up with on february 18th to get us to june 30th and then the next column is uh some of george's lingo better worse so it shows you whether it's higher higher uh or in parentheses lower than uh or just the opposite whether we actually were going to be um less than budget or exceeding budget on each one of those light items and as you scroll down uh mike if you could just uh you'll see that the uh first yellow line water operational expenses total you see we're actually um going to be a little bit uh a little bit of a surplus and i say that you'll see just above that yellow line is the contingency fund 200 000 we've listed 160 one of the items under this heading um is how much it's going to cost us in this fiscal year for the water that we've purchased from the mwra through the emergency connection i've been repeatedly asking for that figure i'm not sure why they're not offering it up they keep saying yep we got it we'll get it to you you know i checked again tonight before joining this meeting and i've yet to get it so i am predicting about 160 grand so that's why that's listed there
and then you'll see with um the second water debt service total you'll see with some of the things that are associated with debt service it puts us a little bit uh over budget by 57 grand or so and then if you wanted to scroll down a little bit further we go into the revenue section same thing we we know what we projected to uh to pull in for revenue on february 18th what we had um we did the best we could knowing how many bill periods that we actually have left uh that we'll be receiving prior to june 30th and then uh what we did now it's you know remains to be seen in in red you'll see quarterly billing listed and 85 grand that that was the evaluation that matt abrahams had done with the additional billing the additional number of bills going out in the first uh or third and fourth quarter of fiscal 26 he was predicting 85 grand so we put it in there just to show you um you know so if that were the case you know we would be uh coming a little bit higher than expected in revenue now one of the concerns i had as i looked at this schedule is for eight months roughly you've billed 3.1 million and for four months you're saying you're going to bill 4.9 million and collect which is a really significant swing and so i guess my challenge would be what what is going to give rise to that big of an increase for four months versus what you did for eight because every four months is basically a million and a half and you're saying you're going to do 4.8 in the same period as a as a total that's oh that's the total george oh that's the total okay i'm sorry it's the projected total here ah never mind okay got it so that is about a million and a half okay million seven all right got it you know i'm thinking it's it's like the above okay so it gives you a sense of you know how we feel and you know and obviously we have we have some control over expenses uh there are some items that uh you know we we don't have a lot of discretion but uh as and we track this pretty close that if we're not seeing the revenue expected you know we have the ability to defer some discretionary things and that's that's how we do it every single year we we're under budget every year and we do that because unfortunately historically revenue has come in less than anticipated and we've had to make those those hard decisions but it gives you a sense of where we think we're going to be yeah that's good yeah and it does this projection says that basically for the first time we'll be about on budget for revenue for the year which is what we had talked about when we set the rates okay all right anybody have questions nope um is this next portion should i share the screen for this as well yeah that that's item number three that's impact to rate increases to municipal departments that was uh i think george is going to speak to those that was your your crack at trying to predict what some of these increases that uh municipal departments would would experience yeah uh you're going to keep it up because i had ready to go but that's fine can you want me to just make it a little bit bigger by hitting full screen
okay uh this goes back to judy's question about the impact on uh if we went from everybody being billed for the town at tier one versus the tiers like everyone else going back to the board of selectments comment about everybody should pay their fair share and so i had to use just back of the envelope so any you know this is not pinpoint accurate this is you know nuclear bomb accurate but what i did is i took the work that uh townspeople had done before about the current billings and water usage uh to see the the amounts and took that to calculate uh based on the tier one rates how much water was used and then said okay if we're going to go through that and build at the tiers what would the delta be and the delta for just going from tier one to respective tiers is roughly about 110 000 hit to the town and uh that's the total on the first sheet and then i also said okay if we take the increase that we're looking at which is the second sheet which is a 27 increase and again i don't know where what we're going to do with tiers if that percentage is going to go all tiers or we're going to change this the percentage in tiers because it's going to increase the uh tier rates for low if we just did 27 percent from eight dollars to 23 dollars which is a big spread but roughly that increase would be about 160 000 to the town 159 421 yep and so depending on where we are uh that would be where we're going to work out now as you remember uh my uh brian sent out a note to all the budget people that there's going to be a significant rate increase and he said to budget at least 30 percent rate increase i think is what he said uh or 32 percent and so a lot of this should already be built into the budgets for the year but depending again on where you set the rates uh will have an impact and again those rates because of the timing wouldn't be the full year amount this would be the full year because you don't put those in as of july 1. so that's just an answer to judy's question about you know about how much and what the impact would be that's helpful yeah great so that's that's a you know challenge that when the rates are set uh next fall uh or spring i guess uh that need to uh take a look at both in terms of the tiers billings and then with that rate increase how do you want to redistribute the tier cost yeah all right uh and tom already answered the mwra charge information
yep the 160k estimate yep and i just hope that they are not as accurate with uh that billing for which is what we think versus the uh srf alone okay a little political pun uh okay update on fiscal 26 budget for uh snow and ice oh you're on mute tom tom you're on mute sorry about that um i was saying that uh if joe du said still has his eyes open because he's only gotten four hours of sleep in the last 48 hours but uh he was preparing uh some figures for us tonight so i'll defer to joe and he can talk to this topic so what was the exact question just want to know how much trouble we're in what's that how i phrase the budget or the total over budget so about we're going to be expecting somewhere in the tune of uh between four and five hundred thousand over budget based on we've still a five weeks left we've got some bills that still have to go out um we had to order more salt based on uh this past storm uh just to give you a a level of magnitude this particular storm that just happened this weekend cost us over a hundred thousand so um yeah you can see where the money is going as a reminder this is the one budget category where you are not bound uh for what you set up at the year you can overspend that and it gets funded then the next year correct i think there's a transfer like a current year transfer a town meeting or something like that if there's if there's any good news to that um due to the timing of the year right now we were able to uh utilize uh we do have a contract for but utilize some different salt products we'll save us some money uh we don't have to necessarily use the treated right now because of the temperature swing it's actually temperatures are coming up um and the good news what about five weeks until spring i think st patty's day we always get a nice nice snowstorm um carol does uh select board have to do anything with this information in terms of the uh town meeting and any of the uh proposals or expenses yes so the top uh so the time yes so the select board will deal with this after i finish choking uh mr kevenny will provide us with a recommendation how we fund this i think mike wigabawa said it's done through current year transfer that's the correct thing if we have enough funds in the current year budget um we will make we will make that um you know perhaps if somebody in one department or one budget line they sometimes move that over to cover this they can do it through an article at town meeting it also could be done in the last uh a couple weeks of the fiscal year with the finance committee and the select board have to approve it uh if we don't have enough funds then we'll have to go funds to do that we'll have to go to town meeting and ask for um pay that bill okay do you need anything from joe to uh help you handle that i think that you go right through brian don't you we do yep yep and he's tuned in uh not that full amount because obviously this last storm uh had a had an impact but we have been keeping him apprised of of this deficit spend that we're going to experience did he have a heart attack he he knew of half of it uh and he he seemed like he was in in in control of himself so when it went when he woke up from feigning all right well i think yeah i think the four to five hundred will will cause him to have to sit back yeah it's one of those things that uh i mean everybody knows how this works is that uh you know you you set a budget it was five and a quarter i think we recommended brian recommended raising it to five fifty and fyi twenty seven um once that budget is set you can never go back you can't lower it so that's why municipalities are reticent to to just you know make it eight hundred thousand because then you've got to be able to fund that every single year and you can't reduce it so all communities kind of under fund to a degree this year during the first part of the season many of our events were treating events you know and we're paying you know joe can tell you i think it's close to a hundred dollars a ton um in salt right now and a lot of the events happened after hours over weekends during holidays i think joe you said the labor alone for last night two days ago was thirty eight thousand dollars that was just our staff in overtime um you know so those are some of the reasons the january 25th storm was a hundred and fifty thousand dollars yesterday's joe saying a hundred you know so it just kind of gives you a sense of why it is that we're now looking at you know a nine hundred thousand dollar snow season yeah uh because of the concern is that one of the people said in the public comment about some of these snow piles that are blocking visibility is there any requirement or thought process about having to start to haul some of these away to a snow farm or put it someplace where it's not going to be uh blocking visibility especially with a couple more snow storms that are coming this week so within the past few weeks we've actually been doing that we've been we've been moving and relocating snow and cutting sight line issues down of course that's now increased again and will be ongoing doing this work uh throughout the days with for the next few weeks okay is that extra cost or do we do that within the workforce that we have without overtime so if i can get as we get as much done as we can during regular hours if um if in the horizon it looks like we're going to get another substantial storm then we may have to do a couple uh night uh night moves but right now we can deal with it during the day okay do you have target intersections that you go after first you prioritize those we well we we definitely do obviously the major intersections where we have the most snow um and we work from there obviously crosswalk areas school areas um i get priority today was you know again sidewalks and crosswalks and things like that um so yeah we we do we do have a plan and we we tend to follow it i mean granted we haven't hauled snow since uh 2015 so okay well we we thank you and your people for all their hard work you guys uh deserve it all the praise you get yeah well thanks for that thank you i will do that okay anybody have any other questions on that okay tom you're on for uh new water reporting usage yeah this was a a topic i know at least the first one um george i think you you know you would brought up the the point that you know throughout the years the fact that we have to report to the mass dep based upon a calendar year and we actually uh you know a lot of our billing is through fiscal year and we've had a difficult time in trying to uh reconcile those figures and when i say reconcile it's it's really the water that's produced at our plants which is what the dep is interested and then it's the water that's charged which obviously is a fiscal year and with the implementation of quarterly billing uh but in essence you know much more frequent reading we will have the ability to do a better job and and in reconciling those figures so uh we're looking forward to that so i think that there was just an interest in having me explain you know that point yeah let me uh i made the request because i'm always concerned about you know do we have water that is not being billed and part of the new meter is the increased accuracy so with the new system the question is we can we know how much water we produce and then if the system can tell us how many gallons or dollars i guess it'd be cubic feet they have water that we have actually uh charged to the users not build but actually the charge that shows their usage comparing the two we should get for the first time a real apples to apples comparison of produced versus utilized by our you by our users and i think that is an interesting information and then it will give us some ability to start to track down if we have areas where we have something that doesn't work yeah and with the mwra connection part of their requirements is to do uh you know a much uh detailed evaluation of water accountability so we'll have the ability of you know knowing what we produce in january and we'll know what we actually metered in january to be able to offer those figures in a much more uh precise manner okay anybody have questions okay and then consumption comparison yeah i know we've been speaking uh to a large degree about the expected increase in um
metered consumption based upon having accurate meters i know there's been uh some figures floated around i think the board uh used a six to nine percent when thinking about our water rates uh last june and when we look at this month by month um it it doesn't really have a lot of consistency so what we did this time is we just looked from last july till january and then the same period the year prior when the older meters were in place and we're actually seeing um about a 12 increase in consumption for those seven months so it it uh it just gives you a sense of it you know i can't attribute that attribute that entirely to new meters but um i thought it would be of interest that you know we are we are actually experiencing or showing an increase in metered consumption and that's reflected in your revenue projection for the year yeah it does it does coincide yep okay so just again wanted to wanted to point that out give you an update on on that that topic thank you okay anybody have questions on that before we move on okay mike your your ball game now transfer station evaluation got it um so we met again today uh today so the last time we met we ranked there were three respondents and i think i mentioned last time all we felt were qualified um very well qualified and two were tied uh with the highest rating um and we selected one bclw they were they are a massachusetts based firm uh the other two were um out of state uh and joe i think you mentioned that we've worked with julia who's the principal there uh she was our dep representative at one point uh before she um i assume she retired or or left the dep um so we felt that she had the best understanding of the the massachusetts laws and um and her proposal was the best in terms of understanding what we were looking for today we met we met to discuss the scope um you know it is called the municipal trash pickup study um we're trying to figure out i'm trying to figure out how do we merge and it's in there it's in the scope how do we merge the coordination of the hybrid system the existing transfer station coupled with uh coordinated pickup and so uh we discussed our scope and the next task is to meet with bclw and julia to discuss the plan um carol would you like to add anything carol is on the committee as well no no i'm just thankful that you asked me to participate i'm enjoying it it's uh i think we're going to have a i think we've chosen wisely but we were lucky that we had such wonderful options to choose from yeah well there's a number of towns in our surrounding areas like medway for example they have both a transfer station and trash pickup will they be looking at some of those and give us some feedback in terms of how they work things that was on the list of our request for scope um to ensure we do some survey of of like towns um to look at how they're handling uh you know how they're set up first of all uh do they have coordinated pickup do they have a transfer station and how is it how is it paid how uh how is that supported uh and funded uh so yes yeah and also how much where the town actually contributes to some of that cost in terms of the transfer station how is it funded yeah so that's that's the question we're looking at how how are how is this funded is it um is it the town funding it through the general fund is it um rate uh sticker uh holders paying the the the way um and you know one of the the concerns we have is how much of this will impact the dpw because the dpw is already over overwhelmed we don't you know as much as possible we won't we don't or at least this is my opinion i guess so we don't want to add to that um number one cost to the town of managing this uh where folks go directly um to um to the companies they engage right now and it's all uh it's all on the um homeowner to do that how much of that coordination uh will require town resources and what's the cost of that and who does the billing for example yeah exactly yeah we talked about that too yep okay good anybody have questions okay thank you sir sure we'll have a monthly update on this going forward yes okay okay mr spellman yes sir you're up all right um if i can share my screen really quickly
yeah see that coming sir it says it's coming not there nope not there yet did you double click it says double click oh that's just for full screen okay maybe stop and try again um there it is it just i got it yeah okay it went away uh so we just we're just at our final meeting or hopefully our final meeting you you lost so the 17 it just went away it just went away yeah all right all right i'll i'll try very quickly one more time got it now it just took a while last time to uh there it is okay all right so there's the 17 uses for 17 acres well we didn't want to let perfect get in the way of good so we've got six of them um and what it comes down to is here's your look at your site plan um with this area this corridor here being route 20 uh boston post road and so we've got our bus parking dpw lay down area um athletic field parking for 82 vehicles and then uh we've got our uh walking trail down here for uh walking trail down here for for um future use for possibly the other other parts of this um ideas that we had which were amphitheater river access area dog park all these interesting things that could be done with these areas but this is what we are um this is what we're going to be putting forward to the select board to to for consideration in the future um we did remove lighting from this field and at this time uh solar a solar array over here um much like what we have over at the town building or at the high school might be difficult because of the height of the school buses that will be parked there um so we took away the solar for now um let's see i need to so just mike just before you go so you're right now there's three things bus parking the lay down area and is in an athletic field with parking um also trailhead uh there's a trailhead uh that goes down to the goes right down to the uh national wildlife preserve okay that's also there
good um and then there is a vegetative border that surrounds everything that makes it nice uh view out onto the national wildlife and also it is uh also restricts viewing from the water so we're not interrupting any nature that's happening out in the out in the area how do you separate maybe they don't want to be looking maybe the birds and other animals don't want to be looking at what we're doing yeah uh how do you separate the uh athletic fields versus that lay down area so you don't have kids uh going from one to the other is it fenced or something because you know kids will be kids um no there's no there's no fence um i i don't think it's been discussed yet whether there'll be a fence in between the field area and the parking area it's just right now it's labeled flexible outdoor space maybe there will be a fence around the athletic field tom do you do you do you recall any of this yes i don't think it was discussed so i did have a conversation with ed you care who is the principal of the collaborative that put all of this together and we did speak to the need to section off the bus and materials management section from the recreational uh component because you're right george kids would gravitate down there and uh that that area would be no place for kids so i'm not sure if it's been yet determined how there'll be a separation there but there was talk of needing something okay yeah i agree
that's great we did we did have weston and sampson uh give us a ballpark figure on the cost here and it came out just over five million dollars okay that looks nice yeah uh rest rest rest rest room um would probably be in the form of part of parties over here for the athletic fields would that path uh potentially be part of the rail trail hookup um i don't think so i think the rail trail diverges further closer to russell's garden center um okay it it it heads out to the other side of the uh of the marsh got it good progress very nice yep yeah it's good work yep okay anybody have questions questions for mr spelman it's good okay minutes start with the january 20th uh on the january 20th and the february 9th minutes uh it said members present but there's more than members listed there on both of those so i'm not sure if you need to uh change that heading somewhat and do members and participants yeah we can we can change that you know there's been a real push to have um a structured minute format and we have some limits and to what we can actually change um but i see your point that you know it's not just members that we've got uh other folks that that attend so i i will work towards that or just change your heading to attend people yeah yeah yep yep okay uh my first comment is on page four does anybody have anything before page four on the january 20th minutes no i don't okay there's a uh talks about your advising how payments can be made electronically and will inquire whether invoices could be delivered electronically uh i assume that's still in process because it's on the uh task listing yes yeah yeah i mean i i wasn't certain how we can do it at this point but i do recall um and it's on my uh tasks to do yes okay uh then on page five is the uh transfer station information again that's not in the uh the warn article so just again reiterate that anybody have any what did you want me to do with this just just a reminder to everybody that we've asked about it but haven't gotten anywhere you know not changing the minutes but just a oh got it yep reminder okay uh anybody have any comments on the february 2nd other than those any comments on the february 9th just chi egg uh there's one misspelling of chang uh uh page six of the february 9th of the february 2nd which which version mike 20th oh the 20th bear with me all right so back on page six under the january 6 2026 minutes maybe i'm maybe i'm ahead oh i see yeah no i got it yep yep yep i see it yep okay anything else on the uh 20th or february 9th minutes if not can i have a motion to accept these two minutes so moved okay mike wagenbauer moved mr spellman will you second thank you roll call vote wagenbauer i spellman yes ed hi and george i four zero zero okay uh any member concerns um just uh sorry maybe i missed this february 9th um i think i i had asked um and it states this that i had asked about ever source helping with those four trees on lincoln road um i believe we received an affirmative from our ever source rep who said he could help with those um is he going to do that or was just yeah we could do that doesn't mean he will uh it sounded like he was agreeing to do that because uh they i'm not disagreeing with you mike my question to tom is is he doing it i'll defer to uh joe joe so i did speak with them um they do have it on the list to do as long as they uh have enough money in their budget to take them down they they offer a lot kind of similar to us they allot so many trees to be removed within their budget but he did agree that if it was in their budget they would remove them great yeah because it sounds like they're around power lines and they would qualify i think it's one of those they'd prefer to do it themselves and run the risk of having us do it yeah there's power lines involved which is okay with us we don't we don't we don't touch it our contractor does but that's okay yeah i just i don't know if we should include that somewhere here that he seemed to indicate that that uh would be possible okay tom can you make that change where just tell me what uh the board what what what you want where do you want it and i'm not quite sure i see where i'm going to add this but just let me know and uh pay it's i i think page one 112 lincoln road probably would be the best place to but i i think i think i asked him later in the meeting but i'm so i'm not sure if i asked it exactly at that time but that's what it's related to so i can say ever source oh maybe i did ask it then at that time because as i can close to our lines perhaps ever source can remove the trees and and matt had indicated that that would be possible
got it don't add anything about he agreed because that was after he didn't agree yeah he didn't he didn't agree he just said that that that could be possible yeah yeah i'm writing it down verbatim all right okay board concerns any earned for the uh loud drivers it's no removal team i share that concern none here other than that anybody okay none okay the dates of the upcoming meetings uh march 17th is saint patty's day do we really want to have that meeting on that date um should we shoot for the 10th that's what i was thinking because of the other with the warrants and things yeah i think that makes sense yeah i can change that to the 10th is that is it good for i don't know if you want to pull the rest of the group there does that work mike and ed i can do the 10th cool i should be able to also i have a conflict will you be wearing green i don't think so not at this item well that would be the 17th that wouldn't be a conflict on well it could be a conflict yeah we're talking the 10th yeah she could start on the 10th and then on the 17th all right let's make it the 10th because i don't want to go to the 24th because there may be things yeah we need to do for the town meeting yeah the warrant agreed okay we have the april 7th is the forum and then april 21st sounds good i'm good topics not reasonably anticipated any staff have none anybody nope nothing here okay can i have a motion to adjourn so moved so moved okay second then okay spellman moved like about our second uh roll call vote mike spellman yes mike wagenbauer yes ed yeah you've just yes four zero zero thank you very much