July 28, 2026 – Board of Public Works – Video & Transcript

July 28, 2026 - Board of Public Works

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Let's get started. It is 6.03 p.m., July 28, 2026. We are meeting via remote access only. This is the Board of Public Works meeting, meeting via Zoom. This meeting is being recorded and will be made available to the public on Wacom as soon as possible. Public will be excluded from executive session. Folks wishing to provide public comment will be provided access, promoted to provide that comment. Comment should be limited to two minutes per person. With that, I will call the meeting to order and go through roll call. Ed, Ed, if you just say you're here, if you can hear us. Judy. Oh, great. Thanks, Ed. Judy? Judy? Here. Thank you, Mike. Mike, you might be on mute. I'm here. Okay, great. And John? Here. And Mike? Here. Great. Let's see. Do we have any announcements, Tom? Staff have none. Okay. I have just one. I was contacted by Carl Barnes, our FinCon liaison. He noted that under the Town Manager Act and with the decision regarding the funding of the long-term water supply now completed, FinCon no longer feels a liaison to Board of Public Works is necessary. So, I just want to make sure everyone's aware of that. Other than that, I have no other announcements. And with that, I believe we can take public comment.
I see Mr. Turner with his hand raised. Great. Hi, Richard. Richard Turner, 7 Knob Hill Road. Today, I noticed your customer portal went live. So, I set up my account and I had a problem in the beginning. I had to call Linda Hamilton and get a customer number. It was not listed on the water bill. So, I just thought I'd put that out because I might want to talk to census and find out or the other bill contractor why that number isn't on there because she'll probably get bombarded with phone calls. So, you might want to check that issue out. Thank you. Well, thank you for the heads up, Richard. Yeah, that's very helpful. I didn't realize we were live. We just went live. Kind of let the wind out of my sail, Richard. I was going to announce that in about 15 minutes.
But yes, we did. We went live this afternoon.
Great. Thank you. So, it sounds like folks will need a customer number. How do they get that if they, other than... I don't have a bill in front of me. I thought the customer number was on the bill. But I will check in the morning. And the reason that it's not by the account number is that that account is by the address and the customer number. So, as property owners change, that customer number goes with the customer or whatever. So, that's why we utilize the customer number. And I thought in talking with staff, it'd be interesting to see what Linda Hamilton told Rich. But I'll look at it in the morning. But that is indeed the case. When customers log in, they're going to need to use their customer number, not an account number. Okay. Just a thought. We had volunteers who had meters installed first to kind of get things going and test out the process. We might want to do the same with this. It may be that the horse is out of the barn at this point. But I think that's always a good idea when it comes to technology, to run a quick pilot with a few folks just to test. I don't know if anybody, any of the members here have the wherewithal to find a water bill during the meeting tonight. But I'd be interested to see if they were able to and see whether or not it does indeed list the customer number on there.
Okay. Thank you, Richard. I don't see any other participants here other than Richard.
So, with that, we can move on to the infrastructure improvement plans. With staff presenting updates on Hazelbrook, the paving schedule, the water replacement, water main replacement schedule, which is coordinated with the paving schedule, and the stormwater infrastructure schedule as well is coordinated with the paving schedule. Yes. So, what I think we're going to do, if okay with the board, is in the packet, we might not have adhered particularly to these exact bulleted items. They're all included within it. But I think it has a different format. But between myself, Don, and Joe, we can run through these relatively briefly. I don't want to read what you already have in your packet. And then happy to take questions on any one of them. Does that sound fair? Sounds good. Good. Yeah. Okay. So, since the first item up on the updates is the long-term water supply, I can start things out. So, we are continuing to advance the design. We're probably about 85% through the design process. We meet regularly with the MWRA, the Department of Conservation and Recreation, the Water Resources Commission, as well as some of our legislators in advancing the project. And I mentioned the legislators because our next large step is to, in becoming a member of the MWRA, it actually requires enabling legislation. And that needs to be sponsored and crafted by some of our legislators. So, we have – it's a, you know, a well-established process, nothing new, nothing that we have to create on our own. A number of communities have done it recently. So, myself, working with the town manager's office, we'll be engaging our local legislators to craft this legislation that then has to go through the process. We then go to the MWRA Advisory Board and then to the full board of directors for the MWRA, and that is how we become full members. So, that's one of the largest things that's going on currently. Meanwhile, we just submitted our environmental impact report, which is a significant report, over 100 pages, a sizable effort. And a large milestone to get that accomplished and submitted. We're also going through the MEPA process, Mass Environmental Policy Act process, and also with the MWRA relative to their design. So, we are on schedule and, you know, pretty pleased with interacting with all these groups. And so, I think we're in a good place relative to that. One of the recent items is we did submit for a 2027 state revolving loan. We did meet with the SRF staff about a month ago, received some guidance on, I would guess I would consider them lessons learned on how we might improve likeliness of success for 27 relative to not being able to succeed in 26. So, the guidance that we received strongly recommended that we not submit a request for a loan for the full 38 million, but to identify the funds that were necessary for the Happy Hollow Treatment Plan. So, that is what we did. So, in working with the finance director, he is confident that the timing is fine because we will not go out for a convention alone until later on next calendar year. We will know whether or not we succeeded in getting an SRF loan by March or April of next year. So, the timing is fine. And he is quite comfortable with having a portion of the project paid with a state revolving fund loan and then borrowing the balance through a traditional loan through his office. So, Tom, did they not understand that the MWRA connection was required in order to stay within the limits? We explained things thoroughly. I guess I would have to say diplomatically that I learned of some personality issues as a result of that meeting that were quite telling. So, we spent a fair amount of time explaining ourselves. We were asked a lot of questions, very pointed questions, very stern questions. And that was the recommendation, is that rather than the MWRA connection, we were actually, if you can believe it, challenged on that fact. Challenged on the MWRA connection. It was, I'm going to be diplomatic. It was an interesting meeting. And that was, the outcome of it was that we understood clearly that, you know, submitting an application for the portion of the project that included the Happy Hollow Treatment Plant was what they were recommending. So, it's not as clear and simple as following the guidelines and the intent of, it has to do with some other factors based on who was interpreting. You nailed it. Yeah. That's too bad because there shouldn't be stern questions. It should be discovery questions. Let's have a collaborative discussion. That's too bad. Well, hopefully there'll be some changes there at some point so that it improves. Yeah. I mean, it would be nice if there was a process whereby, you know, if there were questions or things that were not clear, we would have the opportunity to provide additional information. But that's not part of the process. Because what happens is, you know, in February, you receive word as to whether or not you're on their intended use plan. And that, if you're on that plan, then you're in good place. If you're not on that plan, then that's where we were last year. We had to go through an appeal process, which was unsuccessful. But let's hope that in February, we, you know, it's a 2% loan. Those, you probably have read, there's the 0% loan is no longer available. So this will be a 2% 20-year term as opposed to the 4% that we can get traditionally. So it's still worth doing, even though it's only a portion of the project where, you know, we're talking, you know, the interest difference is, you know, in the order of magnitude of millions of dollars. So certainly worth doing. So definitely. But that went in. That was a tough deadline. That was, I think it was July, was a Thursday. It was the latter part of July that that went in.
July or June? July. It just went in like a week ago. Okay. Yeah. Yep. Just went in a week ago. And if, as we're following this, Don, if you wanted to step in and take the next few, which I think you're more familiar with those. Hello, everybody. So the, one of the projects that we've been working on for the last few months here has been the Reeves Hill booster station upgrades. As what's listed in the packet, we were about 99% complete. We're basically just working on punch list stuff, you know, painting and tidying up a few little things here and there inside of the station. But the station went online last Thursday. It's been running amazing. We're still trying to dial in flows of the new pumps with our SCADA system. But other than that, it's, it's, it's rocking and rolling. Anybody have any questions on the Reeves Hill?
So can you, can you describe what this is designed to do? Is this, does this include the communications with the new automated meters? Does it include other communications? What's the intent? So this project was to replace a, a, a booster station at the Reeves Hill tank site. That booster station feeds the high service area of our water system.
Black Oak, you know, kind of up, up in that general direction. There's about, what, about 85 houses, Tom, up in that area. Um, and, um, yeah, part of that was we, we had upgraded some, some, um, SCADA PLCs in, in the building, um, cause that, that station acts as our hub, so to say. Um, um, but that's, that's really the only communication, uh, thing that was upgraded, um, as part of this project. Okay. So this is water feed, water boosters to water means for, for those that need that additional. Yeah. Those, those houses are slightly higher than our water storage tank. So we need that, that pressure to push, uh, water and to maintain water pressure up in that area. Got it.
Tom, I just had one question back on the long-term water supply project. Are we still on schedule to begin, uh, to put out the bids for the construction? Yeah. So our schedule, uh, would be that we would put that out to bid probably in the late winter, you know, spring of 27 and, um, award and begin construction next summer. Yep. So we're on schedule to, to do that. Great. Can I, um, can I ask a question regarding the SRF financing? Um, yeah. So you've applied for the, um, for the happy hollow portion for the 2% loan. Does that mean in the, you know, somewhere down the line, we're going to apply for something, maybe another 2% loan for the remainder of the project? So no, we would wind up from what we learned, uh, the only portion of the project that the SRF group felt was applicable to a state revolving fund was the treatment plant. So we'll miss that. Sorry. Yeah. No, it's, I might not have said that. The, the, the remainder would be, um, funded through a traditional 4% loan. Okay. I got it. Thank you. Sure.
And did, did you go through the membership already?
MWA membership?
Yeah. So I, I, I think as I was speaking, I jumped, um, and, and spoke about that. That's the part where that we actually have to go through, uh, establish, um, enabling legislation. Got it. Okay. Yep. Okay.
Got it. Okay.
Yeah. So then that brings us to Dudley water. You want to keep going, Don? Yep. Uh, so this is the, yeah. So, um, we are at about 75% design, uh, on the Dudley road water main project right now. Um, we've, we've been working on this project for, you know, last several months. Um, and, um, we, we are on schedule to advertise, um, for, for bidding once we've, um, there's a couple of little things that we have to iron out, um, as far as where the water main is going to be located on the street. Um, but once, once the, um, I don't know if, if, if, if everybody's familiar with Dudley road, but it gets pretty narrow up towards the end of the, um, the, uh, cul-de-sac down there. So we just need to, uh, kind of thread the needle between a, uh, a couple of, uh, gas services and, you know, new gas main that was put in last year. So, um, that's kind of the biggest hurdle with that project right now.
Dudley road. Oh, geez. We, we've had probably 15 water main breaks on that street during my 20 year career here in Wayland. So, um, folks on that street are, uh, pretty excited that this project is going to happen. No kidding. Uh, yeah, it's, it's been a pretty, it's, it's, you know, kind of down by the Dudley Chateau there. It's, it's a little wet in that area. Um, and, um, the water main tends to move around a little bit there. So, um, that was one of the main driving factors behind this, this, uh, water main replacement. Yeah.
Great.
When you mentioned Reeve Hill, I was, uh, assuming you were talking about the, uh, the equipment that's going to be put up there for the new automated, what meter reading system. Does that, is that handled further down below? Um, actually that is, well, that would be listed under the, um, water meter replacement program. That was kind of wrap, you know, kind of wrapped up into that. Got it. All right. We can go to the tank next then. Um, the, um, so the tank is designed, um, construction is pending. Um, this, I believe they're going to start site work this fall clearing trees. Um, and, uh, we don't have an exact date on when they're going to be out, but, um, it was expected to begin in, uh, fall of 26. So, um, that is still on schedule.
Great.
So I can, I can quickly take the, oh, has Judy got a question? Sorry. Uh, I made Steve get me the water bill. Thank you. So do you want to talk about it now or do you want to wait until you talk about AMI? We're just entering AMI. So perfect timing. Okay. So if I'm looking at this piece of paper in the front, it has account number and then bill number, service location, which is my address, parcel identifier. So what was the one that you said? Customer number. They need a customer number. Customer number. I don't see another thing here. I am rather astounded to see that interest will accrue at 14%. Yeah, no, you would, you would see it there. So I, so when I say that this is going live, it means that people, when they're notified would have the ability to join it. So like, you know, Richard saw, and we do have some outreach going right now. So I don't know how to explain that the customer number is not readily available. I know there were conversations had where it required a customer number. So I find it very odd that that's not readily available. So I'm, I'm a little stymied, but I'll, I'll, I'll volunteer to test if we, if you, you know, let me know how to go about it. Yeah. There's actually a website that you get on and you log in, but yeah, well, um, I'm, that sounds great. Once we, uh, once I get in, in the morning, I'll, uh, investigate the customer number situation and, uh, and I'm glad, I'm glad Richard brought it up. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It's, um, like I said, I'm a bit stymied because we had talked about this and it seems a little strange that something that's required is not readily available. There's something called a meter. Maybe that's the, there's nothing that says customer number. Okay. All right.
All right. So I guess in continuing with the, uh, AMI, Mike, so what you were describing is we have a collector, uh, that's installed on the Reeves Hill, you know, cell tower that's been up there, you know, for quite some time, maybe a year and a half. Uh, it went up before any of the meters began to be changed out because as the meters were installed, they had to be tested by the installer and had to read and we had to verify connectivity. So that's been up there, uh, for quite some time. Um, but I know, I know that there were areas where it wasn't reaching at the time. So there had to be tweaks to it or repeaters, um, that sort of thing. Has that good, good memory? Um, largely it has because what, what, uh, census the company that, uh, we're going through, they, they had to, the term that they said was optimized. The more meters that they installed, they were able to, uh, adjust the strength, um, and the signal, you know, the way that it was received and they were able to do that. Uh, we still have about nine locations that we are not able to, um, make connectivity. We still have to read those manually, um, rather than a repeater, there is a technology that we're working with, uh, census, uh, and it's really a cell, uh, technology. It's not all that expensive. There's only nine locations. So it's really more cost effective to, uh, retrofit those nine locations with this, this cell technology rather than a repeater and all of that. So, uh, we're, we're very close to getting a hundred percent connectivity. That's great. When you say nine locations, are those households or are they? Uh, I think they're households. Let me just see. Okay. I have the, I have the list in front of me. Yeah. I believe it was nine, nine physical addresses. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Yeah. So then that's very high rock. Low. Yeah. Yeah. These are all, these all appear to be, I can see the owner's name. So these are all residential. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. So we're, we're getting there. I mean, we are down to, we have about 11 services that are iron pipe that are very fragile to touch. So we have yet to replace the meters there. We're trying to figure out a, an approach on those. Um, we've got a number of customers that, although they got a certified letter signed for it. Um, we've been making phone calls. We've still been unsuccessful in making appointments with some of these folks. Uh, the board voted, I don't know, six, eight months ago, um, to authorize us to establish a, um, um, a fee, you know, uh, upon their non-responsiveness. So we did implement that and we're starting to get, that's causing people to pay attention and they see that on the bill, they're calling us. Um, so we've got a handful of those. So we're, we're less than system-wide 5,100 accounts. We're down to less than 50 or so that we actually have to, uh, to manually read, which is really just a matter of the old fashioned way, walking up to the house using the touch pad. So we're in, we're in a pretty good place. And this is very typical for any meter replacement project. I've done a number of them and you always wind up having, you know, these, a handful of these difficult locations. So it's, uh, it was expected and we'll, we'll get through it. Sounds good. Yeah. I just noticed we skipped two, two of our major topics to these that were under the 705 water projects update, right?
We are under the six. No, no. We're under the 615 infrastructure improvement plans. That's where we are. Yeah. The only thing I see there is water replacement schedule related to Hazelbrook paving schedule and stormwater. Yeah. So it's, it's the bulleted format. And I, I guess I'll say I was not in the office last week. And what I do is I generally spend a lot of time making sure the background material matches up with the titles of the, uh, um, in my absence or whatever. Okay. It doesn't, the format is not exactly as, as listed, but all of the things that are on the agenda will be discussed in this update. Okay. Okay. It looks like we're going through the 705 AMI Reeves Hill booster station, uh, happy hollow treatment of those bullets right now. Uh, yes. So it's the 705, the 705 topic is likely going to be in the packet. You'll see, uh, we, it was requested that we have, um, information relative to 195 main street as well. Um, so that's, there's a significant amount of information that's under 195 main street that was requested. So that's, yeah, no, no, no, I get that. Uh, okay. I think, uh, I think our agenda is a little, um, a little out of order. So just so folks know, um, it looks like the meeting packet has a certain order and it doesn't really match up with the agenda. Exactly. Uh, the first bullet point was Hazelbrook lane under the infrastructure project. Yeah. And Joe's going to talk about that shortly when we get down to his, like I said, these things are not in the order that they're listed in the agenda, they will be covered, but the format and the, uh, and the, um, the schedule of it is a little off. Okay. Water replacement schedule. What is that? Um, so that would be, you know, so Don talked about Dudley road is going to be a bid, uh, this winter, uh, constructed spring, summer. Um, then the water main replacement project then converts over to the MWRA work. So all of that work, uh, that's going up old Connecticut path, um, that will then go on for the better part of two years. And then once that is complete, we purposely didn't include any other water main work because we will be obviously focused on a successful completion of, of the MWRA distribution main. Once that's complete in 29, the following year, our capital efficiency plan calls for us to do West Plain, uh, in the Cachetuate area. We still have to see there. Don mentioned not only for the capital efficiency plan, do we follow that, but we also adjust our water main replacement based upon failures, water main breaks, you know? So if something, uh, jumps ahead of the line because of its condition, you know, we have the flexibility, but right now the capital efficiency plan, once the MWRA line on old Connecticut path is complete, we would be then scheduled to replace West Plain, but that's still several years out. So that really, so that would be the, the water replacement schedule.
Okay. Um, let's, let's try to see if we can follow the agenda. Knowing that the beating packet doesn't quite fit that and then we'll fit in whatever, whatever else is not there. So can we jump back up to Hazelbrook? Yeah. So we can do Hazelbrook and then, uh, Pavingy, I follow what you're saying. So with that, I'll ask Joe to jump in, uh, as he's got the best familiarity with those two topics. Sounds good. So as far as Hazelbrook is concerned, um, our maintenance division just ended up, actually they're finishing up our large water tank or our large, uh, brine tank to be able to handle calcium chloride and spray adequately to, with a finer mist to put down calcium chloride so we can do it in house. Um, that may be ready to work maybe as early as next week, depending on if needed. Um, so we can do that at a real short term if, if we have to, um, but better news is I've been working with our subcontractor that's working on Gleason Lane who picked up the, uh, the paving contract and the reconstruction. And he has agreed to be able to grade that road, take the top soil off, and we can put, um, a better top material down, which we work with our engineering firm to come up with possibly the best material to put down with the least amount of dust, um, as a mass dot spec material. Um, and, uh, he was given all the measurements today, um, I hope to get a figure from him within the next two days. He said he could probably get it as early as lead time is maybe three to four weeks. So assuming that it isn't some crazy outrageous number, which I can't think it is, I want to do Hazelbrook first because it's a smaller road, um, and, uh, we'll see how that goes. So I'm confident that that will cure that issue. That's Hazelbrook. Great. So you don't think that we'll have to go out to bid? It, it wouldn't. It's part of our actual roadway contractual, uh, with our vendor. Uh, they, they handle all our, you know, road reconstruction and they have the equipment. Um, and certainly it's a lot easier for them, uh, cause they're on site. Great. That's a good question. Please. So Joe, is this the dirt road that connects to Lincoln road? So what you're, if I understand you correctly, you want to sort of a pilot it with Hazelbrook and see how it goes before we get onto Lincoln road. Is that? Yeah. I mean, we had done this, I think you're going to test me on the date, but I want to say we had done this probably over 10 years ago on Lincoln road. Uh, it, uh, held up and lasted quite a bit. Um, so we're, it's a different vendor, obviously we're utilizing. So we want to do Hazelbrook first. Since that's where the majority of the complaints are, uh, the, the most congested homes are. So we, uh, do an outreach to the people on Hazelbrook to let them know, or at least I have not, I've spoken with a few of the residents that have called and asked for updates. Um, and that's been it until I get some solid numbers. I didn't want to, you know, I didn't want to cry wolf or yet, you know, But generally speaking for any roadway work, Joe does send out a letter about 10 days prior to construction. Uh, everybody gets that and it's a full page explanation of what's going to happen, when it's going to happen, when it's going to end. So Hazelbrook, once we have some dates secured, each of the residents will get that. Mm hmm. Great. Thank you. You're welcome. Thanks, Joe. Uh, how often do you think that would need to be done? Or how, how long do you think this would last, replacing the top layer? I am going to just make an educated guess somewhere in the 10 year period. Hoping 10. I mean, I'm not sure how much calcium chloride we're going to have to anticipate putting down on a, whether it be a six or eight week. Uh, it probably depends on, on weather, humidity, things like that. And regular, so regular grading. We do. Yes, we do that in house. Um, and I want to say usually about no more than five times a year, sometimes three. It, it, it, it, again, it depends on, you know, whether if, if we get torrential downpours and, you know, crazy storms or bad winter, then obviously it needs to be done more frequently. Great. Thank you. Uh, I think any other questions? If not, we can move on to the paving schedule and, and how that, how that interrelates with the, um, water main replacement schedule and the stormwater infrastructure schedule. So, as you know, in the past, we, we do work with Don as needed on his schedule. If he's doing a water main replacement, I know he's planning on Dudley. Um, we're, we're working in that into his contract with my contractors. That's the only reason it's not on my schedule, but, um, that's worked into his and there is, there aren't any in the next two years in, in less, I guess he gets the funding available to do what he needs. Um, that we would jump on any of his schedule yet, but what I had produced is a preliminary schedule. What we're doing this year, which was already approved and my schedule for, uh, FY 28. And, and you have that in the packet. I can tell you, um, again, we, we signed a three year contract with, uh, two, two new contractors. So this is our first project. Uh, I know it feels like it's taking a little longer than usual on Gleason lane. Um, this contractor, I, I, uh, getting one of their invoices today. I can tell you they're very precise. They're not as fast as the one last few years, but they are on the money as far as being precise. Um, and as far as an update is concerned, we are looking to weather pending to put a binder coat on at least start at the end of this week. Um, and you know, it's going to take two days, whether it be Thursday, Friday or Friday, Monday. Um, weather's going to, uh, basically hinder us or help us on that. And then we'll start the structures. My assumption is that we'll take approximately about a week to two, and then we'll be doing the final paving. I have spoken with him today and I wanted to get a jump on local street. Um, and he's trying to get that in the schedule within the next two to three weeks. I told him my, my primary goal is to have it done prior or close to when school starts. Local street is going to be a mill, which usually is a lot quicker process. Um, and then with all of these, we have to come back to them and, and do the, what is it? A seal coat or something at, at the end? So they look for a final coat. They'll seal the joints and do a final coat. It's a whole, we have a whole list of procedures that we go through. Uh, it's almost like a 10 point bullet that we, we send to the residents as well. Exactly how the process works. Um, both of those projects are going to be state funded chapter 90. Um, we did take, as you know, a little bit of a hit on our capital paving plan this year. So, um, yeah, those, those two bigger projects will be state funded and then we'll work off what we have left. If we have time, we'll work in the fall on some of the smaller roads. If not, those will be pushed into the spring. Sounds good. Do you want me to keep going or you tell me any questions? Anyone? No. Sounds good. Yeah. So, uh, I think, do we have any infrastructure, um, stormwater projects coming up that will affect this schedule? I don't know if that's Don or Tom. Yeah. So I'm prepared to talk about the stormwater. The, uh, the stormwater are more, um, kind of spot construction, uh, not very lengthy. We've got some culverts, uh, in the local, um, aqueduct road area that, uh, it's part of, really, it's, it's affiliated with the snake brook dam projects. Uh, not, not, you know, directly connected to it, but, uh, um, the culverts that are downstream. So we've got, we got a grant, um, um, the mass dot community culvert program grant. Uh, so we're preparing to, to design and, and, and make repairs to those stormwater. So those are more spot repairs, uh, not really going to impact the paving. Um, we've got some asset management programs. Uh, Abby Charest, our town engineer is quite adept at applying and obtaining grants. So she's done outstanding, um, work in that, in that regard, we've got four simultaneous grants going on, um, as well as congressional, uh, earmarks that we applied for and received, uh, relative to wastewater. So as I'm looking through, uh, mansion road, West plain road, those are, those, those will likely impact the roadway enough that we will, uh, be working with Joe. Once those are done over the course of the next year or two, that they'll be then, uh, added to Joe's list, but it would wind up being, um, you know, very short runs, uh, nothing, nothing lengthy, nothing really sizable. Sounds good. Mm-hmm. And you can, you know, if, if you haven't already, uh, these write-ups are all in the packet kind of describing all of the programs that, uh, the stormwater programs, the wastewater. I know this, this board is not directly involved, but, uh, it's pretty interesting stuff. Yeah. That's great. Any questions on that? Folks. I wanted to comment. I do like the write-ups. It makes it easy to see what a bunch of things going on. Yeah. Yeah. It's impressive. All that's happening. I think that covers. So that covers the four bullets in our 615. Do you have other items in there that are in your report that you want to comment on? I think one of the prominent ones is Sherman's bridge. Okay. I know everybody has a large interest in that. So we are complete with the permitting process. The Army Corps of Engineers, the Massachusetts Historical Commission, both Sudbury and Whelan Conservation Commissions, both Sudbury and Whelan Zoning Board of Appeals. We've been before them all, and, uh, we've gotten permits from all of them. So we are fully permitted. MassDOT has ordered the wood products. Uh, those are being fabricated, uh, to meet the specific design of the bridge. We are anticipating delivery of those products, those materials, probably the latter part of October. Um, MassDOT does have their annual contractor, uh, position to begin the work, uh, at the beginning of November. So at that point in time, you know, or in the weeks leading up to that, we will be advertising, uh, traffic management plan. There will be, you know, the bridge will be closed for the duration of the construction. So it'll, it'll impact, um, you know, the, uh, Lincoln Sudbury school system, uh, a lot of commuters. Um, so we have, we have two detours, one going north, one going south. So all of that will be managed in house signage message boards, all of that. It'll be, um, promoted. The outreach will ongoing with all social media and web pages and all of, all of that. So that is how things, um, stand right now at the bridge where, um, where we are ready to go. We just need to get the materials delivered. Tom, I had one more. I know it's not on our, our list, but I didn't want you to think all we do is just roadway. As far as fields, I just wanted to give you an update and it may not be in our capital, but we're actually the ones managing it and doing the work. Um, Alpine field, which we took offline last year for a full renovation, um, which we did in house. And then we had, uh, irrigation installed by a contractor. Uh, we're continuing on that. We plan on opening that, uh, next spring. We're going to try to allow for one more growing season this fall. And then if anyone's been by the happy hollow school, we've also in house, um, completely black elevated the field and back. So it's completely in dirt right now. We've put down brand new seed, um, and we're trying to get some grass growing there. And then going into the next month, we had just met with the subcontractor, um, to get irrigation quotes. We're going to be adding irrigation on two fields, actually three fields at Clayton Hill school. So to help the field projects along. Great. Isn't Alpine our responsibility, but the other, our schools. I believe it's not in our budget. It is. It was part, we utilized monies from that newly formed hundred thousand dollar capital, uh, field account. Okay. Okay. Which the selectmen technically, I guess, manage. And we work with recreation and, and, uh, the schools to oversee it. Got it. Great. Okay. Yeah. There's a lot more in, in the, the report here than is on our agenda. So if anyone has any questions about any of the projects, I see the drone program. Yes. That's, that's very. The drone one is really cool. Yeah. It's super cool. Yeah. Do I talk about that real quick? Yeah, sure. So we actually applied for a grant. It was in excess of $70,000 and received that, uh, and that paid for the drone. That's a $70,000 drone. Wow. And it's about, uh, it's wingspan is about three feet. Uh, it's, it's a very large unit. Um, and the reason it's so large is that it carries a lot of equipment. Um, it has, uh, LIDAR, which is a radar type of equipment. Um, we are, uh, looking to mount infrared cameras on it, uh, that'll allow us to do not only public safety, uh, support, but also, um, a new approach. A new technology is to literally look for water leaks based upon the temperature of the roadway. Um, you know, so this, this drone, um, it is sizable. You actually, uh, two of our staff actually through the FAA, uh, had to become licensed. So we joke that we've got two captains on staff and, uh, they are obviously very well adept. This drone is actually programmable. Uh, so you can program it prior to it lifting off and it will actually survey, uh, based upon what you program it to do. Um, and it just lifts off, goes to a particular altitude, goes to an area, surveys that returns back lands. We upload it. And, uh, yeah, so it's, it's, it's pretty slick. Does it have safety features? So it doesn't crash into someone accidentally or, I mean, I think, you know, I think no more and no less than, you know, the, the drones that are used, uh, you know, professionally, you know, a public safety, they have a drone. Um, you know, and, and obviously drones are used professionally all over the place. So it's, uh, um, I, I can't speak to the specifics of it, but, uh, yeah, it's, I, I, there, there, there hasn't been any understood, you know, concern. Doesn't the police have a drone too? So public safety does. Yeah. Public safety does. Yep. Are the two staff members asking you to be called captain? They didn't ask, but we've been doing that. We have to, we have to order new uniforms. Yeah. Well, we have to order new uniforms with stripes, you know, on the shoulder. And, uh, they, they require to, yes, yes. Very cool. So I don't know if this report also includes items under the water projects update, or is that a separate section or those? Yeah. So the water, I talked about the AMI. We talked about the Reeves Hill booster station. Don can talk about a Baldwin pond, uh, that, you know, has been down for about four to six weeks. He can update you on why and what we're doing about that. Okay. Happy hollow treatment. So if Don wants to nail down those last two bullets. Yeah. So, um, we, we had an air compressor, uh, component failure. Um, it was about a month and a half ago. Um, we were having some issues with the vendor. Um, our, our assistant superintendent reached out to, um, the manufacturer directly. Um, you know, the folks who built the air compressor, um, and, um, we, we actually got quotes in and a date that they will be on site to make the repair. Um, it's August 18th, uh, is, is the earliest time they can be out. Um, and then, um, yeah, Baldwin pond will be back up and running that week. I believe the 18th on a Tuesday. So I would say by the following day, we'll, you know, because we have to take bacteria tests and all that stuff, uh, because it's been offline for so long. But, um, once we get negative bacteria results back, we'll be able to put it back into service. Tom reminded me we're as a town self-insured. So we don't have insurance that would cover some issue like this. Is that true? Yeah. I, I believe that is true. And, and I, the reason I say that is that a number of years ago, I forget what the component was, uh, that failed and, uh, it was, it was not an item that was within our insurance policy to, you know, to, to have that paid for. Got it. And does the manufacturer have any responsibility? Do we have any recourse here? This, this particular piece of equipment, it was original to the treatment plant. Um, so it was, you know, we, we've gotten our life out of it. It's been serviced throughout the years. It just, it's this weird air water release drain valve that is built into the machine. And it's, it's very difficult to get to. And I won't bore you with the details, but, um, but yeah, we finally got ahold of the manufacturer and, um, we should be good to go there. So, um, what was the final piece there, Tom? Um, happy hollow treatment. Oh, oh, the, um, the pipe upgrade. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the latest and greatest. Yeah. Yep. The, um, happy hollow PFAS treatment system is now completely converted over to stainless steel piping. Um, and we were actually able to increase the flow out of it a little bit more than it was doing. Uh, I believe we're up to almost 600 gallons a minute now. Um, I think at that point, it'll get up to like 625, uh, 650. So, um, and, um, yeah, uh, I'm knocking on the desk here, but, uh, things have been running pretty smooth over there. That's great. That should be pretty sturdy now. Oh yeah. Yeah. Is that a 10% increase, Don? Uh, roughly. Yeah. I mean, originally it was, it was supposed to be able to do 900 gallons a minute. We were never able to get anywhere close to that. Um, you know, the, the more we pushed it, uh, the more problems we ran into, but, um, it just, it, it had to do with that PVC pipe that it was supplied with. So, um, yeah, things are. Weren't we around 500 gallons per minute? Yeah, it was, it was just about 500. Yeah. Yep. So that's not bad. 20% increase 2020 plus. That's good. Yeah.
Um, uh, one other update over there is, uh, we have an electrician coming out tomorrow, uh, to finish, uh, wiring up the, the camera system that I it installed, uh, earlier this year. So, uh, the whole site will now be under surveillance. Right. Okay. So that covers our 615 and our 705. Any, anyone else have any questions about any of the other items there or any of these? Hearing none. We can move on to 635 transfer station funding mechanisms. Um, Tom, I don't know. Were you able to get out? Yes. Yes, I was. Let me see if I can. Great. All right. Bear with me here. Share. Share. Oh, okay. Yeah. Um, I was wondering if you were able to email it out to folks. Are you going to share it on screen? Oh yeah. I was trying to share it. Okay. Uh, yeah, I'm trying and I don't know why it's not. Uh, why is this not? How about that? Can you guys see that? Yeah. Yeah. Great. So I can, I can scroll. You can see it's better part of. Can you zoom it a little bit? Uh, so is it view zoom? Yes. Yeah, there it is. And then. I don't know if you click a hundred percent, if it might zoom in or if you need to go more than that. Let's see what happens. There we go. More. Is that good? Is that better? Yeah. Even a little more if you can. Okay. Yeah. Let me just, uh, how about that? That's good for me. Judy's given a thumbs up. Um, sounds good. And Mike is too good. Okay. So this, um, the task here was, um, for Tom and I to kind of finalize this letter, this memo. Um, we did a, a, a little bit of wordsmithing, not much. Um, so a lot, most of this is essentially the same, just clarified a little bit. Um, I asked Tom to verify the numbers that George had put in this, in this memo. He did. And these are, he and Anita verified the, the data that's, that's present here. The, um, these numbers under the financial overview. And, um, I added below the request at the very end requesting this, the board of select and the selected, um, the right at the top of the other, the first page or the bottom of the first page. Bottom line. Yeah. Bottom line. Uh, the transfer station is facing significant financial hurdles over the next several years. And it's currently forecast to use most of its retained earnings in fiscal year 26 and fiscal year 27 as such, the board of public works has asked asking the select board to consider returning this service back to a revolving fund from an enterprise fund or alternatively committing required funding to subsidize and stabilize this town resource, which leads most other town services and slash resources in terms of overall participation and monetary support by its users. So that's essentially our request. Um, this, uh, I talked to Tom, he, he had a question about that last line. How do we know that it leads most town services and resources? I don't have data. Um, Tom doesn't have data, but just in general, we looked at, um, uh, uh, my, my take on that is, um, that essentially, uh, essentially, uh, there are few other, if any services that exceed the transfer station in terms of Wayland participation. We have 1500 households approximately that vote with their wallets, um, to support that the transfer station and that have the amount of funding, um, that the transfer station has in, in, in proportion to the total cost. You can take any field and, and, you know, the participation at any one field in town is definitely not supported by user fees and is not, um, used as much as the transfer station is in town. So that's, it's, um, definitely some, uh, we don't have that fully backed by data, just mainly common sense. Um, and then I added the next page, some data on the towns, uh, mass towns that have transfer stations. Um, what, which of those have subsidies that looks as though most, um, facilitate and subsidize, subsidize their transfer station. Um, so here's a short list. And then if you scroll down to the next page, there's, there are details on what the sticker fee is, the pay as you throw bag cost. And whether they're partially subsidized, highly subsidized, fully subsidized, um, such as Needham, um, or, or have a low subsidy like Sudbury. And Wayland is partially subsidized. And I think that's based on this, this year's, um, projected use of 131,000 from the general fund, but that's not accurate. Um, that's that 131,000 is coming from our retained earnings. So this information isn't a hundred percent accurate, but it, it was, um, something that I thought would be helpful to include. Yeah. I definitely would like to get this in an email. Yeah. I apologize. It was intended to be in the packet, uh, and, or, and, or distributed prior, but just got our. Lines crossed. Um, sending it out now. Thank you. So we've been meaning to get this out for awhile. It's been reported in the local paper. Um, what we're planning to do, I'm hoping we can approve this or approve it with. Um, a review by one or two members so that a full board isn't required. Mike, I know you have a, um, subcommittee that's been looking at transfer station. Has this been shared with them or is this solely a board of public works? Letter. This letter has not been shared with them because we haven't approved it and shared it with the select board yet. Um, but it, it has been, as I mentioned, reported in the paper that we're planning to make this request. Um, so I think it's fairly widely known that this request is coming. Um, I will be one of the reviewers if that's okay with you. Sounds perfect. Okay. Okay. So I would take a motion to approve the, uh, draft memo subject to review, uh, and finalization. I both Judy and myself. If everyone's comfortable with that. I think Mike is you're on mute. Mike. Um, there you go. So moved. Thank you. Do we have a second? Second. Thank you, John. Uh, all in favor, Judy. Yes. John. Yes. Mike. Yes. Head.
Call me. Yes. Uh, thank you. And we give our, yes. Great. Thank you all. Uh, we'll get this out. It just, uh, it was just sent. Thank you, Tom. Mm hmm. Great. Thank you. Uh, I mean, this was George's, uh, the majority of it, uh, was George's. So I thank him as well. Um, now with regards to the transfer station study, uh, uh, I spoke with Tom. We, we had a, uh, committee meeting with the vendor. Uh, was that in June, Tom, I think. Uh, yeah, it was likely June, the end of June. Yeah, I think it was June. Um, it wasn't quite going the direction we had envisioned. Um, I think, I think. It seemed that we were looking that the vendor was looking at an option of transfer station. Or townwide pickup. And the intent of this board, at least from what I can tell from, uh, the recording of the meeting was to focus on. Um, let's look at how we can provide an option to those who use private haulers to have a coordinated negotiating power to have a townwide organized, um, option for pickup. Uh, for those approximately 70% of the folks that, uh, currently use pickup. Um, in this way, potentially lower the cost. And then how can that be coordinated with the existing transfer station service that, that is well utilized. And so we did kind of a reset, um, the, the committee met, um, without the vendor to make sure we got all our ducks in a row and we were more clear about what we were looking for. And we did that this past week. Um, and, and so we, uh, via Kelsey are going back to the vendor with the, uh, consultant with some requests and, and pared down focused requests on what to look at in terms of what to study. There's one portion that will require, um, significant input from DPW. And that is Tom, you and I discussed this. What's the difference between the cost of running a recycling center and the cost of running the transfer station as it stands. And when you and I spoke and this was definitely, you know, something, uh, back of the, back of the envelope type of discussion. Uh, we didn't think there would be too much of a difference and because personnel would, you felt remain similar. Um, the capital equipment would be the main difference. Um, but I think we need to get into some more detail on that. Uh, in, in terms of will there be any, uh, reduction in costs and, and what will those be? And what will be added in terms of overhead for running this townwide pickup? Um, because that'll be very important. The financial numbers we received from the consultant didn't add up. In fact, the difference between running a recycling center and running a transfer station. We're coming in between 800, 800, 800,000 and 1.1 million, which exceeds the current costs to run the transfer station in total. So that they just weren't adding up. So, so we're trying to get those numbers refined. Uh, we're trying to focus in a little bit more on what, um, what the interest is in, in terms of providing that option in town for town coordinated pickup as, and how that will coordinate with the transfer station. Um, I have any questions on that. Does that make sense, Tom? Joe was there too, right? Yes. I was, I was not able to join that meeting. Yeah. Joe was there. You were there and the rest of the working group was there. Um, but you know, and I, I did meet with the vendor, uh, prior to that meeting that you're referring to and, you know, told her that, uh, we were looking to go in a, you know, look at some different things, focus on other things. And, uh, so she understands it and I know Kelsey is going to work with her and trying to revise the scope to make sure that the work and the information that she provides, um, is what is desired by the working group. And it sounds to me like it was, uh, within the working group, it was a pretty productive meeting and, uh, uh, pretty good collaboration. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. So, well, thank you for your help and, and putting a halt on things until we could, um, get that refocused to, to where it was hitting, um, a little bit more closely to what we were looking for. No questions. Uh, there was a second survey that was to go out. We, we put a halt on that. Um, we're not sure a second survey is required. We'll see. Um, uh, we got some good information and data from the first survey. Um, but yeah, so we'll continue on that path. Okay. If there are no other questions on that, I think we can move to review and approve minutes. I, you know, I had one question, Tom, and I know we've gone through this before on regarding the transfer station. And I think Judy may have asked this recently, or at least you did last, uh, last summer, Judy. Um, we've, we've explored solar at the landfill in the past. I understand the slope was a challenge there in the past. I know, um, solar continues to innovate. Um, I'm wondering if, if we can ask the solar committee one more time to say, Hey, have there been any updates, any changes, uh, in, in the, um, technology and, and, uh, where we might be able to utilize that space. Yeah, I could certainly reach out to the energy committee, uh, about that because I, I remember that they, I think they attended a meeting. It was some time ago, I think they actually engaged tie and bond an engineering firm to review, you know, the site. And, and I had that same recollection that there was only a small portion of the property whereby the slopes weren't, you know, at a, at a degree that, you know, you could actually locate some solar panels, but I'm happy to reach out to that group again, to see whether or not, uh, there's any updates, any new information, new technology. Uh, which you're right. I mean, it's, it's, it's a, an expansive piece of property and it would be nice to be able to get some, uh, some solar productivity out of it. Yes. Awesome. Thank you. Okay. Um, actually, Judy, you had made a request with regards to one 95 main and I don't, uh, I don't see that listed out separately on the agenda. Maybe I missed it. No, it's not here. Okay. Yeah. The information's in the packet, but it's not, uh, you know, it, it could be covered under board member concerns. Okay. If you were so inclined. Yeah. Okay. Uh, do you, do you want to do minutes first or should we, should we talk about that? This could also be, um, under happy hollow. So what, why don't we go ahead and discuss this before we get to the minutes. Okay. So, uh, it came to my attention that there's been, uh, more discussions regarding the PFAS situation at one 95 main street. And given it is. And given it is zone two of their capture field for happy hollow. I just thought it would be a good idea for us as the board of public works to keep an eye on it. Um, I don't know, Tom, if you can pull up those, uh, maps that they shared. Uh, that I don't have. That I don't have. Oh dear. I mean, the ones in the packet I could share. Yeah. Yeah. Those are nice graphics. All right. Let me see if I can do that. I think there's maybe six or seven of them different, uh, flow, uh, groundwater flow analysis over the course of, uh, several dates. Yeah. Yeah. If you could, Mike, if you wouldn't mind going to one of the later ones. Okay. Cause I do not claim to understand this stuff because it's all water flow and yaggity yaggity yak. Um, but if you look at. Which page? Let's say the last one, any of them there. Okay. So that, that's a good one. So you see the Wayland middle school, you see, there's this priority habitat, which I didn't know was there. And then, uh, there's all these arrows about flow and stuff. And then there's these funny little circles where, uh, half of them are colored in. So, uh, and then it has a number underneath it. So like MW 21 where your cursor is. Yeah. Monitoring well. Yes. Monitoring well, 21, 156.15. Uh, so help me out. Tom is the one 50. So those are, those are hydraulic gradients. And I just, as a background, uh, Ben Gould, who was the town's hired licensed site professional. Um, he is the one that the town has engaged to evaluate this property. And there's a memorandum in the packet and also all of these sheets. So he's the one that created these. So, um, I mean, I'm happy to give it a whirl and, and, and talk through it, but, um, he is, and sorry, if I'm jumping on this topic, uh, Judy, there is a public information, um, plan meeting. Tomorrow. I think it's, uh, Thursday, the 30th. Tomorrow. I think it's Wednesday. Well, let me just take a, I'm looking at the memorandum that he wrote. Oh, and he is saying scheduled for July 30th. Oh, okay. Sorry. I don't, um, no, it is Thursday then. Yeah. So this, and the intent is precisely what Judy is talking about is to, um, directly engage Wayland public, um, on this whole situation. So, um, you know, that's something if, uh, anybody's interested in attending, I'm, I'm certain that it's going to be a remote meeting as well, or a hybrid. So, uh, I would imagine that there's probably already a link up on the town's webpage for this, but anyway, those are hydraulic grade lines. Um, so in essence, what that tells you is that the water, the groundwater flows in the direction that those blue arrows are pointing. Mm-hmm. So if we could go over to the Wayland middle school a little bit more, Mike, and then you'll see something called septic reaching field. Yes. Yeah. Not this one, but another one, I don't know which one actually had a number underneath it, not the 156, but a number like 40 or something, which I understood it to be the PFAS level. Um, of 40 and one of these. Yeah. I'm looking through the hard copy. Keep going. Is there one more? Yep. There's another. Yeah, there it is. There it is. Yeah. So I, I just thought it was really interesting. And then I assume, tell me if I'm wrong, you go back to MW monitoring well 21. The number underneath that is 417. Yes. Does that mean that PFAS is 417? Yeah. That's where the burn dump was. So the burn dump was on this, in this area here, you know, there, there's that, that, um, slope that goes up to the middle school here. Yes. The burn dump was, as I recall, uh, from maybe the top of that all around here where the former DPW building was. That's my understanding where, where the burn dump is. Yeah. Now just for anyone listening, um, they should be aware that our current PFAS remediation plant, uh, that's their temporarily right now, but we, we are replacing with a permanent, um, filters out a hundred percent or 99, 99.99999% of PFAS before the, the water gets put into the distribution system. So I just want to make sure folks aren't worried that we have 417 parts per trillion in, in our, in our system, in our, um, distribution system. Before it gets into that system, it's filtered through our PFAS filtering and remediation system. Um, and it's, uh, we're currently at non-detect for PFAS and what is put into our distribution system from happy hollow. Thank you, Mike, for clarifying that. I'm, I didn't mean to, uh, alarm. I just thought when I looked at this, that this was really, you know, eye popping. Um, and I think if you go and this doesn't tell us that, but the, the, the, the water flow that goes across this main street actually heads to, um, Dudley pond, isn't it? Right. Correct. Yeah. So I mean. Snakebrook and then Dudley or. I think there's actually a drain. There's a drain line that runs under main street. Um, yeah. Wow. Okay. It's just, it's, it's public information. I'm not telling you any, anything that's not out there. Um, and absolutely what you're drinking at home. It doesn't have PFAS like this whatsoever. But this is, um, John, you're from a board of, uh, health, right? Yes. Does this perk your interest? Um, we do talk about it. And I, I have no idea if, uh, you know, what's going to happen with the site and what, if any cleanup will happen and what impact that will have on, uh, Happy Hollow since it's zone two of the capture site. But I just thought, uh, as part of our due diligence, it would, uh, behoove us to keep an eye on what's going on there. Yep. Definitely. Okay. Any, any other questions on that? Okay. Hearing none. Um, we can move on to the minutes of June 16th. Do we have any comments or edits? No. No. No one here. Great. I would accept a motion to approve the minutes as presented. Second. Just need someone to move it. Um, first. So moved. Okay. Thank you. And Judy seconded. Great. Uh, so all in favor, Mike. Yes. Judy. Yes. John. Yep. Ed. Thank you. And Mike. Yes. All right. Uh, and we can move on to the minutes of. 23rd. June 23rd. Any edits or changes required here? No edits. No changes. Nothing here either. Nope. Great. All right. I would accept a motion to approve the minutes of June 23rd as presented. So moved. Thank you. Do we have a second? Second. Thank you, Judy. Judy. Yes. Mike. Yes. John. Yes. Ed. Yes. Weigenbauer. Yes. Okay. That brings us to board member concerns. Do we have any concerns? I have one, uh, question. I don't know. Sure. Sure. Under DPW or engineering department. Many community now have the, what is so called, uh, S4 standard. Yes. What S4 standard? Because, uh, lots of the town community was a set that completed it all out of that. Very unreasonable. And, uh, hydrologically wrong. I'll give you a couple of examples. One city was said that, uh, they have to take two-inch water, but didn't give how long that two-inch water dumped into the rock. Because, uh, the duration do affect what MS for it. And, uh, there are other towns wanting to do two years, five years, ten years, twenty-five years, hundred years. But they require you to control hundred years. If you can't control hundred years, storms, why are you worried about two years, five years, ten years, and have to make, make people calculate that? Some just arbitrarily give some. I, I just wonder, you know, what a law standout is. If it's reasonable, fine, it is. But, if you, sure, based on the law, you can dictate whatever you want. Yeah, so I, I can, I can speak a fair amount to what, uh, Ed's referring to as the MS-4. It's a stormwater permit that we operate on. Um, there's only two states in the country, uh, that do not, um, um, promulgate their own, um, regulations. Massachusetts and I think it's Ohio. Uh, we're actually promulgated through the Environmental Protection Agency, the EPA. The MS-4 permit, it's a 20-year permit, began in 2018. So we're in really year eight of that permit right now. The first six years of the permit was primarily focused on data gathering, GIS development, those types of things. Um, and then, you know, the latter part, the, the 14 years was really, has you focused on, you know, constructing remedies that you've discovered through that first year, six year process. So, um, we are fortunately, um, uh, compliant with the EPA's MS-4 permit for Weyland. What Ed is, is, is talking about is, depending upon what watershed, you know, you're located in, uh, there are different particular criteria. Um, the most sensitive area of Weyland is the southeast portion, a very small portion that's considered to be within the Charles River watershed basin. And we have to take extra steps. There's, there's all kinds of, you know, um, best management practices, street sweeping, catch base and cleaning. We have to do sampling. We have to do sampling. I know, Mike, you were looking to share. We have a small paragraph about the MS-4 listed in the packet. Um, so, you know, we are conducting all of the required best management practices. We have to, uh, in addition to regular street sweeping, we actually, uh, and catch base and cleaning in that small section of town. We actually have to, uh, use a vacuum, uh, street sweeper. Um, you know, so that's required. So the good news is, is that, uh, we are compliant. We have $120,000, uh, budget annually that's located in the select board unclassified budget. And those funds are used by the public works department to perform all the criteria, uh, that's required to, to, to maintain compliance with MS-4. Um, so hopefully I've assured you, um, Ed, that, uh, Weyland is in good standing. We submit an annual report every September. And, um, so that goes to the EPA. And, um, so we are, we're, we're in good standing relative to, to stormwater permitting. That's good. I'm just trying to find out because some people want to build a new house and ask, you know what you're asking me. What, what, what are the standard MS kind of joking? Like you're a DPW boarder. You don't even know that. Well, Ed, as, as Tom mentioned, it falls under the select board, uh, the stormwater. So it's not, uh, it's not under our board's, uh, supervision, but, um, it is under DPW's supervision and oversight. And it's also within their budget. Um, but. Cool. Yep. Thank you. Thanks. You're welcome. Thanks Tom. So that brings us to meeting dates. We have August 18th and September 15th listed as upcoming meeting dates. Does anyone have any conflicts with those? Might miss the 18th, but I'm not a hundred percent sure at this point. Okay. Let's see the 18th. Do we want to try and move that to the 25th? This is, uh, this is when, is this next meeting where we plan to have Kleinfelder joined? Um, yes. Yeah. Kleinfelder is going to join us for two topics. One is to provide a more detailed update on the long-term water supply project. And then, um, you've heard about, uh, the lead service line replacement program. Um, lead service, lead and copper rule has been around for a long time, but there's a revised lead and copper rule and it has some very burdensome and expensive requirements for every community. And we're just want to update the board of public works on what this means relative to managing the program and also to funding the program. So, um, Kleinfelder is supporting us relative to that topic. So we'll, we would like to also touch base on that, uh, and, and have a conversation. Uh, would the 25th work? Yes. For folks. Works for me. Okay. That's fine. I will reach out. I'll reach out to Kleinfelder. They were planning on the 18th. I don't think they're going to bark at having an extra week or whatever to prepare, but let me just make sure that they have availability. Okay. Uh, there's a hand, there's a handful of their staff. So let me, uh, let me verify with them that they are good for the 25th. Perfect. Okay. Uh, and then September 15th, we don't have to really nail that down yet, but does anyone have an, uh, early conflict with that one? Nope. Okay. All right. Uh, with that, I will, does anyone else? Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. So, uh, when we were starting the meeting, I had asked, uh, Tom, if you could share the water, uh, model, the spreadsheet with updated numbers since the year has closed out. So hopefully we can see that and see where did we actually end up? Yeah. I know it takes a while to get the certification of retained earnings. Um, but we can at least have what we've submitted to be certified. Tom, I think. Yeah. I mean, we will have the, uh, we'll, we have a better sense on expenses and revenue and, uh, yeah. And what will we, what we will be submitting. Uh, so I, I will work towards much of that. We have already. Um, so I should be able to do that. So I should be able to send out some pretty definitive information. Great. We can, it'll be right on, on topic for, uh, working with Kleinfeld their next meeting. So if we had that as a line item, that'll be good. Um, and then if you were asking about topics, not reasonably anticipated, um, there was one item, uh, we were reminded today from the town manager's office for departments, as well as boards and committees, um, of our submittal of the annual report. And that's, uh, the deadline is the end of September. So I know the public works department, we've got a, a sizable report that we, we develop and submit. And I know the board generally, um, prepares one, uh, as well. Uh, as well. So I wanted to just kind of send out that, uh, that reminder that, you know, you generally kind of take a look at the format from the prior year. And then I think whoever, whoever compiles that on the board side, I think you generally kind of go through the minutes and, uh, review the things that we've accomplished and performed over the last 12 months and, and kind of using the same format, just, uh, make it more current, make it more applicable to this, you know, uh, fiscal 26. Do we have any volunteers for putting together the annual report? I tried to volunteer Judy a couple of years ago and she, uh, kicked it back. None. Okay, Tom, we'll, we'll have to discuss this. Um, it's, it's, uh, the report that goes in to the, um, weren't, uh, each year. And it, it's a summary of what the board did that year. Um, so it's the. When do we find, when do we find resources to, to, to write that up? Do I have to go through the minutes of the, of the year or? Generally, generally the minutes, um, there, you know, we write it every year. So I wrote it a couple of years ago. Um, and so there, there are certain things that are fairly basic. Like here's, here's the, uh, roadways that are overseen the number of parks, that type of thing. Uh, you know, we set the water rates. Um, uh, we got approval for the construction funding, you know, major, major items that, um, the board considered over the past year. I mean, if you're able to help with that, Mike, I could work with you on that. Yeah. Let's, uh, let's, let's talk about it down at the softball field. Okay. You're still playing. No, we got bumped out. Uh, bummer. I know. I was hoping to win. I was hoping to win another one, but no, I'm going to go down and watch though. Cool. All right. So it sounds like Mike, Mike and Mike will work on that one. Uh, anything else, Tom, or any, that is, uh, yeah, that's all I have. Joe, Don, all good. All right. Um, I'll, I'll take a motion to adjourn. Moved. Thank you, Judy. Do we have a second? Second. Thanks, Ed. Uh, Mike. Yes. Full call. Uh, Ed. Yes. Thank you, John. Yes. Judy. Yes. Yes. And Mike. Yes. Thanks everyone.