March 20, 2026 – Economic Development Committee – Video & Transcript

March 20, 2026 - Economic Development Committee

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So we are ready to call the order. It is now 8.36 a.m. This is the EDC meeting, Economic Development Committee meeting. We don't have to read our preamble anymore. So attending live and in person, we have Ali Polat. We have Katie Harris with us. Oh, I don't know. Impressive. Surgery. Needy, single on Mahajan. And then Jeff Vecchio, myself, Rebecca Stanizzi. And then we have David Villari attending remotely. And I know that Karen Kelly is on her way. So she may be just a little bit late. I'm so used to reading the preamble. I don't know. All right. So public comment, just checking on the screen. Looks like we don't have anybody public comment online, but I know we have public comment here. So usually tables are set up a little bit differently. Why don't we, just so you're on the camera. Well, the camera's that way, right? Up there. All right. So why don't you kind of head around and sit on that side and then we'll probably have a better view of you guys on the camera. You guys aren't joining? Oh, you know, we feel like John. We've got three minutes. We've got to try to make this tight. All right. So just for the record. So it's John Weintraub, who I know, on Trinity. You are. Nicolette, nice to meet you. 29 Shaw. All right. Just the trauma. Awesome.
So we'll try to make this in three minutes. Yes. I hope I don't miss any of the important facts, but Nicolette started this endeavor in 2024 and I joined about just over a year ago and Jessica, I think two years ago. And we have a lot of support from the community for dog park. If you're a dog owner, you know, the importance of socializing dogs. I've been to dog parks all over the East coast in my travels. When I picked up my dog in Atlanta and drove him up here and then locally around Wayland and on the Cape. The biggest takeaway that I've had from being at different dog parks is the community that it builds. It builds, it brings people together across age groups. I've been to dog parks where dog parks where certain groups of people across generations will show up at particular times during the day. I noticed your Falmouth golf club hat. Falmouth has a great dog park. That it's really cool to see the groups of people come together. And again, cross generational young, you know, young families and old families. And what I, what we've noticed is it brings people to together and it creates community where sometimes people would not have been able to build community. When you're older and you're no longer have kids at home or maybe you're, you're widowed. Um, it gives an opportunity to meet other people and, and, um, that's something that we don't have yet in Wayland. And we're excited about the prospects of the dog park because it's great for young families who are busy and need to exercise their dogs. It's great for older people who don't have the mobility to walk their dogs on great conservation trails that we have in Wayland. And again, to bring it back to community, we also have done part of our due diligence is we looked at several properties across Wayland, um, both town owned and non town owned. And we keep coming back to the center for multiple reasons, number one, um, um, the fact that it is the center and it brings people together. And the other thing I've noticed about dog parks is location, location, location. If it's not in the right location, people won't, won't use it, right? If it's kind of outside of your circle of travel center town kind of creates the, the best opportunity for that. Um, we've looked at, um, spots in North Wayland, Chichwick, landfill, keep coming back to the town, the town center. Um, we've, we reached out to the new owners and have had some phenomenal meetings with them. They're a hundred percent committed to putting a dog park in the town center. I mean, we went to them with the expectation that we would have to do a lot of the fundraising and the, and the, and the legwork on it. And we were pleasantly surprised at their commitment because they see that it's not only a community building thing, but it's an economic driver. Cause it will bring people for another visit to the deaf town center when they might not ordinarily go to the town center. And it will also bring, give people who bring their dogs to, or bring their kids to the volleyball or, or another activity at the town center to exercise their dogs. So the, we're, we're happy to share that the owners of the town center are, um, behind this project and they're committed to funding a significant amount of it. And, um, we, and the design process is starting in the next two weeks. Awesome. And, uh, yeah. So, so no, they were excited because you guys are willing to do the legwork. If you were willing to maintain it and be really actively involved. We're going to be operating. Exactly. Yeah. So we'll be fronting it. So we don't need our park. We'll be formalized. You know, we're doing our villages. We're going in high slide open with him, but really we're going to be the parkers who are really, you know, he's like, in most of the most senses, you know, building it is the easy. And it's the hard part. Exactly. So exactly. But it's not an insurmountable challenge. You know, most dog parks will have a volunteer community that, uh, takes care of it. Um, some other irons to, to work out is, you know, what support we could get from the town. A lot of towns will do, will drop off bark mulch, right? Towns are always trying to get rid of their wood chips. Um, so that, that's a possibility and, you know, trash pickup would be great if we could get the town to, to be on that. But those are the details that are, you know, we know that we can, we can overcome. So how can, how can we help? So it sounds like you've got a spot. Yeah, no, we're good. We just wanted to, you know, I, I know that, um, we've talked to a few of you in the past over the years about this, but we just want to keep you on the loop and, and, you know, let you know about our, the success that we've had. And how excited we are to do it. And, uh. Do you have any kind of timeline? Like, do you want to try to get it up for this summer or is it going to be fall? Like any sense of. Yeah, that, you know, I, it really comes down to the owner's ability. I think he wants it sooner than later. Yeah. I think he still needs some town approval. Yeah. I think anytime you put a shovel in the ground on that property, it needs a sign off. It's going to do fencing, perimeter fencing and no other structures, right? Or maybe a couple of porta potties or what, what? No, no, we don't need porta potties. A fence. Yeah, it's literally a fence. Um, I do believe we might need the great thing about the location is there's a sidewalk there. Um, so there's already curb cuts and we might need a pad, cement pad as you enter the swing doors. So where is it going to go at town center? Um, to try, there's a triangle, um, that's described between the medical office building. Oh, that kind of, yeah. So where, so where we talked about last week. Yeah. So that'll be fenced in. Perfect. So did Robert, do they need a permit? Yeah. I mean, I feel like I'm looking for it. Yeah. All right. So can you, can you take a look at that and let you guys, cause I don't know if Jesse has asked that question yet, but if there is, just to get ahead of it. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, it's a great location that has a little topography to it and it has some trees, um, which are not mature yet, but in the grand scheme of things, because in dog parks, um, shade is an important thing as well. So is there anything that I missed that, uh, I think so we're kind of moving in concert at hand, let him take the lead. It's not really the driver and he knows where to find us for support. Yep. Um, but yeah, I think the landscape designs are going to be submitted and presented to the town. Okay. It's on land owned by, it's not a town land. That's correct. Yeah. It's private, private land. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I'm really excited about this. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, you know, happy and cheap. Oh, really? Yeah. Yes. Crazy. But you know, I'm really, it's funny because I'm really excited about this because my, a lot of you guys, or you guys know my dogs, my dog, and, uh, he likes to go to dog park to smell and play with any dog outside the dog park, but not, he just smells in the dog park. But what I'm really excited about for this is the community building aspect of it, because in Whalen, the one thing that, um, I believe we need more is we need more five generational community building because we want our older families without kids to have a reason to stay in town, be part of a community, right? Because they subsidize our kids in the school system. So again, there's different ways to look at, you know, the benefits that accrue from the dog park, both socially, economically, and fiscally on, on the tax side of the kids. So I know that we've made rounds to a lot of different boards in town and we all have had some kind of questions around like, who else have you talked to? So I think just for catching everybody up here, um, we did speak with, um, or we've met with rep commission. Um, we met with you on South landfill visioning committee. Um, you've talked with our animal control officer, you talked with our, um, former chief of police head, um, and you've also talked with, um, conservation, um, and we've had a lot of guidance and support from the group of residents from native who went through this process within the past 10 years and had a lot of, um, documentation and, um, um, pointers for us. So, you know, just to, to bring everybody up to speed, we, we've gotten a lot of support from town, so we, we're not necessarily anticipating much resistance from this point forward. Oh, REC. Yeah. Yeah. REC was, uh, extremely supportive and they wanted to make it next year's like number one priority. So, uh, fortunately they can have another number one priority because, you know, because of the generosity of the town center owner, but, um, yeah, the select board of the landfill visioning committee, the, um, REC department, all of them, extremely supportive. Thanks. Awesome. Well, good luck. Yeah. Great. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah. Great. Yeah. It's amazing. And they're right in front of you. They're not using the air now. There's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no way to use it themselves. All right. Good morning, Karen. We have Karen Kelly who joined us probably about eight 40, you snuck in the side door. Um, and then Robert Hummel, also town planner, also attendees of the meeting, which I'm saying for AI because we're getting our template down. So, um, so minutes I'd circulated, uh, before, so we had three sets to catch up on. And these were done with the new template, so it was, uh, I wanted to beat my head against the wall a couple of times, but cause it's great with content and it's horrible with formatting. So, um, finally wrestled with the ground, I think, and a template that should work with different AIs. And so with media and Jeff, do you guys, do you use chat to your cloud or do you, which do you usually use? It was a combination of co-pilot Gemini and chat. Yeah. Okay. Do you use a little bit of free chat to, there you go, there you go. So it basically you use AI to help write your prompt because you know, it has its own different way of thinking, which Karen knows very well. Um, but the formatting is for crap, but the basically formulated, so any, any engine could use it. It should, we'll try it on in the free chat GPT, but no, we'll try it. All right. So with the meeting minutes, did everybody have a chance to take a look? Are there any comments hearing none? Do I hear a motion? We'll just approve all three at once. Motion to approve. David coming in from a, there you go. David motion. Do I hear a second? Second. Is that Katie? Yes. 82nd. Uh, all in favor for approval, we'll do roll call actions with David. So Ali. Hi. Karen. Katie. Hi. Becky. I am David. David. Yep. Was on mute. There you go. Approved. All right. David, how are you feeling? Great. RSV is real fun. Yeah, but we hope you feel better soon. Have a good weekend. All right. Sound planner update. Robert, take the floor, man. What's, what's new? Oops. As I just said, you just took a bite. Sorry. Not really, actually. I mean, about share streets, but I pretty much don't know. I think that's just kind of like, we'll wait and see what happens. So I hear Duncan is trying to open by April 15. Um, so that bouncing around. There's no, they need to figure out if they have, they won't, they won't, they won't have the outdoor dining done. So it's an issue. It may not be warm enough by then anyway. It may not be warm enough by then anyway, but so if they filed for that with the planning board yet. Okay. Yeah. So they need to do that. Yeah. And I know the question that was bouncing around was, do they need one or two licenses, Victoros licenses, because they have two franchises, but it's one space and it's one owner. And which spaces? Typically they don't, but I was just talking to Nate and he's like, if they have separate checkouts, I'm like, I've, whatever. So figure that out, but they're ready to file one way or the other, but apparently you've made it to the board of health, got their other stuff done, except for the outdoor seating. So the beach was moving along, kind of, that town, uh, what's going on in that? Where are they? Yeah. Yeah. The college market. No, but where are they in the process? Uh, they got filled up, they got the process. I think they may have come back without it for the sign potentially, but they can apply open, like, whenever they're fulfilling this. So probably in fall. Maybe. I'm like, have they started a renovation? Yeah, no, I think they, I think they're just starting to pull the process now. Oh, okay. But they're moving along. At least they're pulling it now soon. Is there going to be change in the parking on part of that with meters or anything? Not that I'm aware. Maybe that would be a town thing, but no. I was asked that question. I emailed, I'm forgetting her name, woman who's doing townhouse. What's her name? Kristen. Kristen. Thank you. So I tinge her to ask because I noticed on Pelham Island road, like in front of Moods and the vet, they have two hour limit signs for the parking, but not on that stretch. But it probably makes sense not to have it yet, but I asked her who was in the works. And if not, maybe we can help in the background, just making sure that when they're ready, then those parking signs go up. So that'll, that'll definitely help with the turnover on the parking, because you can tell a lot of the employees who work around the corner use that and sit there all day. So, um, but you said, Robert, for last time. So they've gotten everything they need from the planning board, including their- And the outdoor dining and the ZBA, and then they just need to come back to the sign, but they did a historic district too. So that's, that's, that's fine. But you know, before that signage, they probably open up until like August. So just, you know, what else you need us done now in the background. And then we met, we want to update with, um, Train, and Train wants to open by August. Is it? August. They're going to move it as fast as possible. Most likely get a temporary CO first and then get a final CO after they, they've completely done everything. Well, they have a wedding venue, they have a wedding, they booked for the end of August. Okay. I don't know, but it was not, that's stressful. Yeah, it's August. Yeah. It's done with facts. Get done. Yeah. But- And Shared Streets, do you want to share that? Uh, yeah. So we've just coordinated with Jesse. So this is a whole Shared Streets grant where we got this money. It's been sitting there forever. We don't want to lose it. So we met with police and fire because that's always like safety is the key issue. I actually just ran into Nate in the hallway. We'll loop him into the process. So even though it's outdoor and just movable furnishings, pretty much, um, it still has all these levels of view to go through. So, um, they have a revised plan. It's relatively similar. Again, the street will be shut down between Andrew Ave and, um, Takara and Jack most that two blocks. So they'll have overhead lighting. They really want to activate the space, which is great. Um, before the plan was Zurich, they didn't really know what they were going to do with it. And so these guys, I think are really going to program it. Um, they already have, are talking to new tenants along that corridor. So there's a lot of really great things happening. So we're meeting again next week. Hopefully shake all this loose. They have to decide what they're showing is temporary and try it out for a year or get formal approval from the planning board. The configuration they know is going to stick. That's kind of the debate, um, but one way or the other to try to get stuff out there this summer. So, yeah, so they really clearly, they want to move on a lot of this stuff, which is great. So we just need to help the process as much as we can. If there is anything to do with the dog park, let's get ahead of it, right? Let's figure out if they do have to file with the planning board. That takes time. Have to get on like the whole thing. So, and as much as we can help with them, that process, then definitely. So the department of health for the dog park, that one probably. Yeah. It sounds like, I think they were talking to them. They mentioned it. They did. Yeah. Yeah. Sanitation. Yeah. I don't know how a dog park fits in the zoning. Um, if you could take a look at that, Robert and just see, I mean, it's a park. I mean, a fence is, it has to be five feet tall to be a structure. Like, uh, I'm planning a few trees shouldn't be, but be good to know that. Feels like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's happening on that front. And then we met Kent and it's Patrick, who is the new owner of 14 West plane. Uh, so Robert, you want to update? We met. Sure. So he's been discussing. Maybe try to buy that gas station potentially and put it into the fold and one lot. That's, that's part of his vision. And then also see what it was going on with the other piece of property, the property that we burned down and see where they're at, trying to work together and it's somehow, but he's getting in contact for the, for Dino's, uh, for him, for his contact. So if he wants to contact him and then directly, and just kind of blind, give a copy and just sit down with him and go for what they, what he's trying to do as they've been no progress in the other piece of property have been kind of like quiet for a while. And then to me, she just hold her to sprinklers or something like that. So he's, she has a vision we want to like to see done, but at the end of the day, I'm out of money. Of course. Sorry. What's this, what are you trying to do? So this is 14 West plane across from CBS. Everybody's used to be. Uh, so there's Liberty Plaza and then there's a gas station in the corner. And then 14 West plane is that accountant's building, which is now a financial planner. Yeah. Right. So he bought the financial planner, the accountant building. He would love to see something happen on the corner because of course the corner, as we all know, it looks. Yeah. So it was just sort of a meet and greet and it was letting him know the lay of the land. What was Dino, you know, what conversations have happened. We've been talking to the gas station guy for a long time. He had talked with them. The gas station clearly. I mean, it's owned by this consortium that owns like hundreds of these around the country. So it's not like someone's dying to sell it. They've always had a high price on it. Like down. That's the whole question. Um, but part of it was just giving him a little bit of an understanding of what has been thought through before. I don't know how long it was 2019. I don't know if anybody who's been around that long, but Sarki had actually done an analysis of that corner. Like what if we did an overlay, could it look like to have retail and then resi or office above, you know, looking very small villagey, right. Instead of just an empty gas station. So we kind of handed that over as public record, like just so he can start thinking through the magic is really going to be that gas station. So, you know, whether they want to sell and add a good number, but he seems amenable to do something. Cause the only thing like for that, something to happen in that gas station, they really kind of would have to tie in their septic with either the Liberty pizza building or the other one, just because their site is so small. Does he want to keep his building though as like an office building? He does. He does. So that's now his office, right. But he just wants to see something, but you could, you could combine the lots and add onto his building. You could do it as a standalone. But usually typically that was always the joke. Stark is like the only thing that's allowed by zoning on that site is a drive through ATM. Cause there's not enough room for parking. There's not enough room for a decent sized septic. Right. So it really has to somehow combine with either one. What's happening with the Liberty's building. So that one, I know it's been a slow haul. They've had issues with the utilities. I don't even think they've pulled permits yet for their TIs, meaning the build out of the retailers, which, so I think there's, I think talking with Nate there, I think they're working through their issues. I think they're getting there, but it's been slow. Not supposed to end up as a retail space. Yes. So Liberty pizza is coming back. Convenience store is coming back. I don't know if it's the same iteration, but it's convenience store. The dry kit is just coming back. No mechanic. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever that. The cotton pliers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So do you envision the gas station would have to be torn down because it's worthless or? Well, you could never rebuild it because of setbacks and everything else. So that's when we were a member of Arts Whalen. What if they took it? And it's kind of this retro gas station with glass roll of doors, but it could be a funky coffee shop. Could be something fun, but it's all a matter of what price you can get it at. So when we were looking at it with Arts Whalen, it was really expensive to basically keep the shell and clean it up because it used to be a surface station. So we can't really change it to anything else. Not without like a variance. I mean, you could not, you could propose a variance and maybe get a variance for a bit closer potentially, but I'll be happy to have a good, a good plan that, you know, you're thought a lot through and it makes sense. Is there a clean 20 on Eon file? All the tanks are gone. And supposedly there is, but do you do deal with this? But yeah. So. He wanted us to figure out what's going on, what the history is, just so I can move forward and figure out and adjust. So. So he has kind of food for thought and just kind of thinking around and then he'll come back and talk with us. Yeah. Yeah. Because the magic is if you combined his site, you take the two sites and make one big one of those setbacks in the middle disappear, right? And it makes it more functional. And if you had to overlap and accept it or whatever. Is that parking behind it? Behind the station? There's. It was on the front. Yeah. Mostly in the front, the buildings kind of backed up and then the Liberty Pizza Land kind of this weird job. It was on the back. It was on the, it was on the side. And you get to go back to that. I think it was like, well, those Gulf gas station in 2014, somewhere, somewhere in that time period. It stopped. It was very little behind the building. I mean, which is pretty typical when you think like anywhere, you always see gas station on corners. Even when you go to the front, even when you go to the front here now, there's a gas station on the corner. I'm going to come on the farms and then there's no gas. And I'm like, as good as that today. And it's always, we love corners, which is. It was the point. Definitely when you develop it. So since I sent it to Ken, I'll resend it around just so you guys can see it. But that was from a few years ago and it was, you know, we had to explain to him this zoning doesn't exist. It was just a thought process. And at the time it kind of died in the vine because remember CBS was such a brouhaha. And without having a specific project on the corner for people to kind of understand, it was going to be hard to kind of do theoretical zoning. And at the time, neither of the property owners seemed like they were going anywhere. So now it kind of. Maybe if you had CBS, that corner of the other corners, you could have done a more thoughtful overlay, but when you lose to CBS, you lost a lot of the mass limit. Yeah. Okay. Anything else? Really? No. Are you doing anything additionally for town meeting? I know that there's like the property. Just the articles we have on town meeting and. Which ones do you have? It's like the long. Housekeeping. Housekeeping, floodplain, ADUs, MBTA. And then we, we dropped the, um, uh, solar energy one that's been dropped. And then we have, then we have the other zoning article for the support for, uh, article E for the appeals. Which is not our, but there is another zoning article to be decided on. What's the floodplain one? Is that changing anything? Uh, it's just a drop into FEMA's regulations. It's, it's a Housekeeping one. Okay. That town, um, meeting, when is that? May, April? May, May, first week in May, first Monday, Tuesday. Yeah. What? Fifth, sixth. Something like. Yeah, the beginning. There's a survey going on right now. If you just, if you can fill out the survey, they'll help the town manager in the office figure out. People, people will maybe show up. They buy chairs. You buy chairs? Or whatever. Whatever. Chairs. Whatever. Chairs. Whatever. You received it yesterday. The survey. Okay. Have you gotten any inquiries from any businesses or anything like that, people? Uh, in what, in what, in the zoning articles or just in general? Just in general. And are you tapped in with like Grafito with the village place? Yeah. I mean, I've been discussing that. But nothing. I don't, I don't know anything about the development. I have no clue. Oh. All right. So the EDC goals, um, that was the one file I did not put on my zip drive. So I'll send that around. It was basically just to, for confirming for our files. Um, so I'll send that around. So the joint fine, the finance committee, EDC, we're really held up with Brian Keveney, but it's town meeting. It was just, everybody's heads are exploding. So it was last, it was this last Tuesday. I think that articles are finally done and done. Um, so a couple of things we were recording with FinCom, like they're doing some infographics and I was like, can I talk to you in a week and a half? So I, so I think that once we've gotten beyond now, the articles are in sort of everybody, everything's sort of set. So we can, uh, hopefully get that data from Brian Keveney, um, to really think through what the projected tax expenditures are over the next 10 years. And then ultimately the projected growth, and then simply play with it. And up with some options. Um, Do you have any idea how much money we actually do? You know, have you seen like charts and how much money we've seen from, for the meal tax? How much money is actually from the meal tax is going to the general fund? Uh, I guess it's probably two, three hundred thousand. Cause that's like three or four hundred thousand. That's right. That's very similar to us. Yeah. So I know that people are very proprietary and saying, you know, like, well, you, it's already going, you can't divert those funds, but clearly we have new funds that are coming in with terrain and Duncan. And those like, how do we use those funds? I'm not taking it away from anybody. Right. But it's just, how do we repurpose those or try to get it? There's different strategies. Like I said before, I can either put into a revolving fund or keep track of it and then use that towards something. It's just what a talent wants to do. But in this case, talent is easy just to put in a general fund and then just pop into their own budget. But it's, it's a little discouraging to finally have had their money over these years and they haven't used towards any kind of development, something part-time grants, anything. Just a little discouraging just to know that information and not be used as a tool. So, Rob, kind of moving that alongside some of the information, cause the first question is what do other towns do? Do you have kind of a summary of that? Or do you want to pull something together? I don't know what, I know what Hobbiton did and they were very straightforward. I said, we want a meals tax. We want to, we want to create our economic development advisory board and we wanted to have a revolving fund. And they were very straightforward. I said, this is what we want to do. And they did it. We're not back. This is, we're not going to, we're not going to do one step and then we're going to do 10 years later. This is what we want to do. We want to be aggressive and actually do this. So now we've been doing an advisory board in town, we're doing a lot of brainstorming to figure out, bring a lot of people in and figure out what to do next futures. Once the money comes in, we're going to hire someone. We're going to get some grants, use some grant money, signage or whatever I do. We're going to use that money to leverage it so we can get a return of investment back. So how do we, we need our background. We need to get the research of what other towns are doing. And then we can kind of formulate a recommendation. So are you, is that something you're running with? Should we do some of that back? We need to have a town meeting. Cause it's, this is, it's too, when it, when I started to jump on this, this train, you do this, but it was way too early, way too late. We tell me, and just cause that means we need to. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to be thinking about next town meeting. Yeah. I mean, when it was, yeah. When it's coming out. Like that's. Did you shoot it pushing for that? Because that's. Something, some part of the pie. Like terrain, Dunkin' Donuts, the Bistro. Like that's going to be a lot of. Doing there. What we're discussing is the additional meals tax. Yes. Yes. In detail. Generally speaking, if they've gotten into the general fund for the town. I mean, but you could make it, you could, you could do a, a, a, a cheap, you can, you can leisure the, the bigger hill to, to have a special legislation to have, like a revolving fund is, there's different things you can do to, to, to piecemeal that money will go right into that fund. And it can be used by, in town. Right. By the slump order, like on development, by, by you guys. Anybody want to do an AI search? Background? I think Jeff would be a good learning experience for it. Yeah. Honestly, if you've been using AI, it's a good way to. No, AI. Yeah. You're there. So with that, it's just asking the question, you know, whether towns and cities in Massachusetts have done this, what is their program? How did they start? Because that is always, every time you go to the slump, what does everybody else do? And you know, like why recreate the wheel? Somebody else has done it for the firm and let's figure out what model works. Like he's looking for meals tax, like appropriations essentially for different. Yeah. Meals tax revolving funds or meals tax, community investment or, you know, whatever it is. Yeah. Challenging. We're going to get him going. I think you're just going to like this actually. I need a few challenges off of that. Yeah. I mean, but it's a lot of times we'll put it, we'll public, we'll publicize what it is. So if you start on a website, it'll tell you how much money is being brought in. It should. I mean, it should be public knowledge. Like that you're, you are insensitive to dine in your community because you know those dollars are going back. So, all right. Yeah. I think the thing about what the best strategy is, how to do that. I just, it was too, too soon. Do you want to know how much meals tax is coming in? Most towns I hit in the max is where the, I think it's like a 0.75 cents, whatever it is. A lot of times they hit in the maximum because it's so small. Yeah. The new stuff is probably only to be, we were sort of back on the onceloping. It's maybe going to be 50 or 60 grand a year. That's, if you have that for small little micro grants and doing things, you actually can get something good going. Like what do other towns do? So it's mostly what are other towns doing? What is the precedent? You know, what, what has worked well and that we'd recommend following type of thing. And just sort of, we'll get all the information done up and start, start. I mean, you're looking at probably two or three, two or 400,000 for most towns, but they're not much in a year. Yeah. So it's done quarterly. It's in each quarter of the fiscal year. So it's not, there's not like one big number that you, you have to add it up at the end, but they, sometimes people will just put a chart show you, but yeah, it's not, it's not small money. Yeah. It's very small. And each time you bring a coffee or you go, it adds up all the time. Yeah. Well, part of the question is, I mean, we're going to town meeting and approving the budget for the following fiscal year. So everything is going to be set in place. That's going to be new money. Like, I don't think it's counted in the budget and it shouldn't be because it hasn't been received yet. Right. It's going to start coming in. So with money that comes in that's in excess of the budget, whose discretion is that? Is that select board? So maybe, I mean, it's, I think we get ahead of it sooner rather than later. We don't wait until next town meeting. I think we do it soon because we know that revenues are coming in soon. So let's get ahead of it and try it. I mean, the town, the easy thing you do, you could, talent doesn't have to make a revolving fund. They could just, here are the members, we brought in $250,000, make sure you're going to bring $350,000. And you could take that money and then you could appropriate it within the budget. So you use something like you don't have to have a revolving fund. The revolving fund just makes it so it's, it's, it's a manager, you know, the money has to go into the revolving fund to be used. I think the Carol Martins of the world, I think she was like, no, you can't designate certain uses for it. I think in her mind, it probably would in her sort of organizational accountant's mind, it would have to be a revolving fund. Right. But we have those. So let's set it up. Right. Whatever it is that keeps it, the money in that thought, and it doesn't kind of slide out somewhere else. I can work on them if you, if you want. You can work together with this. Cause I, I, I, I can get some numbers on my head, get some quick numbers quickly, some talents, cause sometimes put it up on other sites. And then you can ask what they're at. But they're, you know, it's going up. It's slowly kind of clutching, collecting it. It's slowly, the first year, they have money. Like, so you have to do, to do next year, do a make point, um, hire at December or something. And they're going to hire someone potentially. They're ready. They're, they want to go, they want to move forward and do something. Like, that's it. Robert, you're going to work with Jeff on that. There you go. Excellent. What if you took the meals tax? Could you, could you break it down into, like, could you figure out where the meals tax is coming just from? You know, there's not a food at like Wayland town center and be like, to the DPDU, like, okay, you can take the meals tax from the town center and use it to upkeep the dog park. I'm just keep throwing out examples. Yeah. I don't know the way. I don't know what the, what, what the, the, the, the restrictions are. If it was in your general fund, you could probably have to do that. You probably could say, you probably hit the general fund money you have and say, we're going to use it this much for economic grant, this much for a posting and this much for, you know, this much for a dark park. But I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what, what the restrictions are. I've not looked at like that much to even do the illustration of it, but, but maybe, maybe you could do it. I don't know. All right. You guys will take up information. Awesome. Activating Route 20. So the towns that are new owners. So shared streets, we were mentioning that we did meet with police and fire and meeting with them again to wrap up their issues. Both are very supportive of having that, that area as a sort of recreational area. Uh, but just good concerns, public safety, right? One of the buildings next door has residents living above it. You have to be able to get fire trucks there, all that kind of stuff. Um, but Jesse and AJ have been great. So they're very responsive and wanting to, uh, wanting to get this stuff in place sooner rather than later. So the next step on shared streets is to get sign off police and fire, and then ultimately do the procurement package. While if there's anything that has to be done with planning board, sounds like they're coming anyway. Right. So anything that would affect that procurement package, but that takes a period of time and that furniture is movable. So, but the only thing that's kind of, kind of any kind of things that creates consideration, they want to put wood decking kind of at the same level as the curb, kind of expand the curb way. So that's not movable, but everything else is movable. So you buy the furniture and if you need to shift it around, it's easily done. So we'll try to get that, that procurement package off the dime. Cause it has to be written and then advertised and then bids and that stuff. So, um, other than that, Karen, I think town center wise, we talked about the, we heard about the dog park, which was good. They are, um, putting together their overall plan. They're working through the easements on the bike path. So all of that is in process. So I think they would sound like as you were saying April, I think April, they want to be in front of the planning board. And I was encouraging them also in front of this flight board, just kind of get that information out there and hopefully get it streamlined through. How many check boxes realistically exist between outdoors dining and today? What is it? How many check boxes exist between today and outdoor dining on Alyssa Abb? It's basically, well, so part of it, they're actually not going to do outdoor dining anymore in Alyssa Abb. They're actually pushing the outdoor dining. So it goes out. So it's in front of Takara and Giacomo's. So it takes a few of the parking spaces. So it really is sort of a seating area. The outdoor dining is what triggers review. If it's temporary, it's select board. If it's permanent, it's planning board. So it's like that all does, but the whole thing, it's basically public safety, um, in that whole area. So that's why we're talking police and fire and talking with Nate. He definitely wants to be involved in, which is totally fine. So it's just checking those boxes, but planning board usage of the city. Usage of the street. If it's a permanent shutdown, then it's planning board approval. If it's temporary. No. Yeah. What's your. Probably a plan board. Overall. Just because the city has all the requirements. Probably that's a plan board for that. Which I think they're planning to do. It's just a question of, do they have to review it in a permanent basis? Or is it just informational? This is temporary. I think they need to propose what they want to do and go from there. Planning board and then select board, particularly for that outdoor dining, whether it's temporary. And finalizing the fire, whatever their augmented plans are based on their feedback. Yeah. And that should be Tuesday at one meeting. The follow-up should be fine. The new police chief is fine with smaller bollards, which is good. Yeah. They're much more friendly. The other ones could literally stop a truck, but they look like, you know, kind of looks a little Beirut. But yeah. You kind of paint it. There's like the ones that the Red Sox with the Red Sox logo, but it's still this thing that can stop a car. So it's a bit of overcompensation. But anyway, so all of that seems to be coming together, but they are, you know, we keep asking, what are they going to do? Because remember they said they want to do a big splash for a score of explain everything they're doing, but they're talking to tenants. A lot of really interesting things going on. But when are you going to announce? Yeah. So we'll, we'll push them in that regard and see. I keep encouraging them because when we're at the volleyball place, we had talked about how they get a beer license. Which place? Oh, volleyball place. Are they, are they? I have not heard anything. I mean, I watched this. I looked at the subway agenda today. They did not come up on the agenda for acting for a beer license, but that'd be something they should probably think about. We, I know we also went from one licenses in town, because we just, we just get the last full, full liquor license to touring. They should have the last one. So we don't, there's no more full liquor license anywhere in town. So if a new, if a new restaurant want to come in, we go on the license. Can't do much. Cause. Really? That's actually, well, we'd have to go to the state. We'd go to the state. Another liquor license, which they may not grant. And do we have total?
I don't know, but we have, but we have no full, full liquor license. The last one was trained. And I noticed I do have a property owner that wants to be developed somewhere on route 20. And right now we have no, we have no liquor license for him to do what he wants to do. It's like a problem. Like I would not want to get like, it hasn't been a problem. I know. I know. It's hard to say about gain, gain more licenses. Can I say that again? We're currently talking to Steven Allen. You are? Not me, the select board. Okay. Okay. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we should have a couple on our backlog. Yeah. We don't want to get anything done in this town. Yeah. Yeah. Especially if we know that they're focused on retail, on a food and beverage. Food and beverage. Absolutely. I wonder if it's on his mind or I feel like he knows that, but maybe hasn't connected with that. Yeah. Yeah. Todd would be here, but he's on vacation. I'll ask him where it stands for the select board. So that'll be a key. Townhouse has their liquor license. Yes. No. Can we get a beer and wine? I think so. Yikes. I thought they did. I thought they did. I don't know. They did. Beer and wine license. We just can't get hard alcohol. Yeah. The second one. You can't get that. The beer and wine. I don't know. I don't know. But we have more of those. We saw a phone. Oh, okay. That's fine. Which is what's training. Training everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We do a BY. Oh, you can do BY over. No. Okay. So I'll check with Tom and we can find out status of that. Keep it on our radar. I know the town manager is talking to, is trying to work for the state process. So it is in the process. Cause they knew when we, when Terrain came last fall, it was asking for a liquor license. We got that. We had one left. We need to go to the state and, and make sure that we get, get this in play now. All right. So the playground amenities. So I've taken off the agenda item. So we need to go back to select board. We've been now pushed to March 30th. Okay. But the question for everybody here, do we want to have a joint meeting? Cause we'll literally have like 20 minutes and it's kind of a pain in the butt to get everybody there, or we can just Karen and I could go or whatever. What, what do you guys do? Cause having a joint meeting just means that we have to do minutes and we have to get everybody there. Yeah. Just 20 minutes. I would just say. Then. Yeah. Like we had a meaningful discussion that went on for a while. All right. That's that makes it easier to coordinate. All right. So hopefully at this point. So we've had the discussion with the chair. Ultimately we just need to be able to move quicker. Clearly we've had this request on the table since middle of December. And here we are the middle of March. Um, so that's kind of broken through. So we're able to work with Tom now, which is great. Um, that he can work with the town manager so that we're not held up by the select board, but they do still want to have this last follow up and just make sure, particularly because it's used town resources, the playground and, you know, doing our, you know, route 20 cleanup, all that kind of stuff to talk with these town resources. Let's just make sure we'll just have this last check in and I get that done. So that should be March 30th. Um, so we will get that done, but so playground amenities right now, David, you haven't missed much cause we haven't been able to do anything. Um, but hopefully soon we'll be released to be able to talk with Brett and, you know, or to help and like all this stuff and get that. Um, and also David, I think you're aware, but, um, uh, graffito is willing to do the design. It sounds like they're designing for the dog park. I think they're willing to do that the same with the playground. Yeah. So, you know, as soon as we can get this information that can inform that process, then you can start diving into it, which is great. So they're not willing to fund the whole thing. Um, but ultimately, you know, getting the design is, is half of it. Um, and kind of thinking it all the way through, but they have seen in other places. They've been other fundraising and community, uh, community programs to get some of these in place. So we can bring some good experience to the table as well. So hopefully next meeting, we'll be diving into this one. Um, route 20 task force, I think the last, uh, the select board and the planning board met at a joint meeting. It was well discussed to keep discussing. It was, that was the conclusion. Um, but hopefully that will start moving along because part of it, the next one route 20 sidewall curb cut, Tom Holder's ready to go, man. Like we've let's go, we got to start writing an RFP, you know, whether it's task force or not, let's start moving this process because the funds are there. And, you know, before it was just a matter of Tom Holder's bandwidth. So that is a push also for, uh, March 30th. So even if, even if a route 20 task force were set up, they'd have to look through the mandate and then advertise and interview it. You know, that's three months down the road. Let's figure out what we do with a curb cut in engineering. So you can, you can do it. You can just do a staff working group to, to review the RFP. Hmm. We do, we do that in house all the time. Yeah. You can get the process started. That process can, can be started. If you don't have a task force, you can just have a work. Hey, well, it's just a small working group to just review it. It's not that. So the RFP is going to be really highly technical and it's literally curb cut and sidewalk engineering. It's, you know, this is just a cleanup of the sidewalk. Looks like basically. Yeah. There's not continuous the whole way. It's the whole appearance of the roadway and getting it more structured on either side, streetlights and sidewalks and street trees and all that kind of stuff, because we need to get that engineering done fully engineered plans. Field get on the tip list, the transportation improvements project, because that's route 20 and state road. So we'll get in line for that. And then lobby our politicians to move ourselves up the, the row. So usually it takes like five or seven years being on that list, but then they. I got the city of Framingham because they're, they're our representative. What's that? I got the city of Framingham because they're, they're our representative. There you go. So if your project's ready to go and you have motivated politicians, sometimes things move up. So we will, but yeah, we need to have the engineered plans. So we need to get those started. Existing corridor conditions cleanup. It's already March, Katie. Can you believe it? We wanted to have things moving. And, but I think our first stop is talking with Nate. I kind of mentioned it to him. But start thinking that through, but hopefully we'll shake this loose with the select board. Cause that will be town departments, right? It's working a little bit with Tom Holder, but also presumably like town manager's office and the building inspector to kind of have messaging go out. So part of it, getting this blessing from the select board, but then also town meeting being over it. That'll also be, it's always just crazy right now. Um, Wayland business association version 2.0. Interestingly, Kent, the new guy at 14 West plane would love to be involved with the new Wayland business association. So apparently he was Sherburn. No. Yeah. So he is very attuned to having these local business associations would love to be involved. When you guys get this going, let me know. You'd love to be plugged in. So yeah. So that'd be a really good connection and start growing at both sides. Cause at the beginning, it may be quite route 20 centric, but it'd be good to get it sort of town-wide. Yeah. I've also noted that the Wayland town center, I follow them on Facebook and they did more, um, post a lot more about the businesses on their Facebook. Good. So whoever, I'm assuming someone from that team is, is running a Facebook group in there. They're putting a lot more things out there about their, the basis that they have today. Good. And before that, it's like good posts. Once in a while events and what's going on. Yeah. But now it's like, like one, it might be at least once a month, they're posting stuff about this business. I'll stretch something. Stretching men or something. Whatever one of them just had is, had a big, big deal of food breeze. And so they posted on the website. So slightly getting better at like highlighting the companies they have. They have this. People don't know what's in town center. Big apple in the blue. Yes. Okay. Maybe we should just send an email to like three of them and Jesse and say like, Hey guys, like give them the show. You know what I mean? It's like. You can give me, you can connect with Ken too. Yeah. Yeah. I think Dave at joint ventures who kind of led it before I presume that they've met. He and Jesse have met. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe we made an email to Jesse and he, and just say, you know, cause we talked with Jesse about it and he was like, yeah, we'd love to be sort of involved in that whole thing, but they're clearly got a lot on their plate, but just to kick that off. Maybe that's Dave. Would you want to be involved? If not, do you know other people who might want to take the lead, particularly in the route 20 center? Maybe. I think it would be BBC. We want to get like, I think they would want to take a lead. Yeah. So like they could be the town center. And Penny at the music school is always really involved. And you know, it's just kind of, how do we get that ball rolling? Maybe you think we should meet, reach out to these people individually. So they're not feeling put on the spot. But to kind of. Jesse and say, Hey, like we want to create a way to like, pick this off and have it be anyone that you see Jess, like we should do it on emails. Yeah. That you've met so far. Yes. Everyone. Yeah. Yeah. All right. You want to do that? Karen to email Jesse to kick off. Okay. Okay. So main and plane. We've talked about. I'll circulate around Sarki's plan just for fun. It's really nicely done. I mean, he used to have a little kitty of cash that with beta that he could do stuff like this. It's a question is some of that would be useful. Right. So speaking of as we had Ali doing GIS and massing diagrams, but you know, usually Sarki had like a kitty of cash to do that with, with beta, but his key beta is not there anymore. He was really good. Like the drawings of running. He was just so good at what he did. And then he retired. How dare he. But some of that stuff is really helpful to get a sense of some of these things. So since we're on that topic, why don't we do that one first? So it's circulated around. This is the MBTA. This article. Oh, Oh, Robert. Does it have a number at this point? There's a still article. Oh, hasn't been. Oh, all right. So we had sent around or because again, last time we were just kind of surprised. There were no massing diagram. So we had sent around. And so Ali and I sent it individually because we did not have a chance to talk through it yet. Um, so it's a question whether the board wants to take a position or not, but we just wanted to get the, the massing diagrams out there is the way that the zoning just by simply changing the height and the number of units makes it really overwhelming with the setbacks as they were. Right. And so it's kind of print out that that's in our email. Correct. Uh, yeah, there's actually, there's a couple here. I think if somebody wants to see learn, you guys, you guys have all seen it, right? All right. So property. Yes. Yes. So he was all copied on. So we had suggested, you know, there could be some simple things and there were just things that we learned at all the oxbow and setbacks and just, you know, where the massing is and making sure it's not a long facade along the road. It makes a huge difference in how that project would be perceived. Um, so we did that public comment to the planning board and the DRB. I'd asked Bill Sterling. I'm like, did they, did planning board ask the DRB? He's like, no, I hadn't heard anything. So I put him in on there as well. But what's, what's the sense of the planning board at this point? What kind of reception have you gotten from the article? Is there any interest in doing an amendment on town meeting floor? Hey, we've had, we haven't had a meeting since, since you said, so. When's your next meeting? Is it two? Sweet. Next Wednesday. Wednesday. As you know, we can't discuss offline. A board can, you know, can jointly discuss together. So we had no discussion about any kind of amendment. So. Okay. I will tell you, when we did the MBTA original rezoning with the, with all the modeling, it was really hard to have like different sites at different areas of the site. Like it just the way that they, just the MBTA with the MBTA zoning, there was so much control on us. It didn't give much to us, allow us to play around with it. That's the problem. It's not like you, we have, with all dogs, but you would be able to rezone your own property, you know, design your own guidelines and, and, you know, regulations how you want to do it. But with the MBTA zoning, it was, we could not do that. We tried that with the, with the main zone property. It was, we just, we totally can't do that with the modeling. So I think part of it is we have our approvals for MBTA communities. So we don't want to jeopardize that. That should just be our baseline. I don't think it would jeopardize it at all. It changed. I don't think you would, but again, if passes or fail, like whatever, like, if we want to put these criteria on it for exactly the reasons you're saying, we have an approved MBTA plan. If we want to put a layer above it, good luck and God bless. What are they going to say? No, but you know, it, it maintains exactly what was approved. So this is just an extra layer. So I wouldn't suggest anything, you know, cause again, if you change the MBTA zoning, you would have to resend it to the state. Right. Maybe we would have said, anyways, we would all, we would, all the zoning. Right. Anyways. Anyways, they would be your anyways. And it would, and it would also, we would tell the state to zone. Yeah. You wouldn't want to knock yourself out of compliance necessarily, but you want to be able to have this capability. So that is definitely the intent. It's sort of making it a layer on top of the existing, just so there's no issues whatsoever. And, you know, the concept of rewriting the whole thing can be later, but if we want the zoning to pass, then we could do something on town meeting floor. And it's really easy for people to understand hopefully. Um, and make it more palatable because I think, you know, as soon as people understand 58 feet, um, 30 feet off the road, you're like, Whoa, it's that's big. That's big. But I tell people is, you know, if you're going to the transfer station, I don't know if we believe you have dump stickers, but if you go there just before you go in the fence, you turned on the road, you go to the fence, look to the left, because that is 58 feet from the ground, all the way to the top. I mean, that's big. And that is pushed way back from route 20. But if you imagine it's right on route 20, that is huge. So the problem being it's as of right zoning. Typically, if it's a special permit, you know, the site plan approval, and you can move things around. This is as of right. If you build it in the area, you have a lot of regulation stuff in the zoning and we have the regulations of for the, for the zoning that the plan would pass two years ago, right after they pass the zoning. And then there's all the recommendations about setbacks and all the other things to kind of like considerations. So we do have all that in place. So with those, cause those were those guidelines though, or what was the regulations? Regulations and they were approved by the state, but don't, if they're affecting MBTA, don't they have any zoning has to be approved by the state? It's all the, it's all the design considerations we had that we worked with, with the design before at that time. But is it zoning or is it zoning? Or is it zoning? It's not zoning. So the state has not approved it. It's just regulations. It's the guidelines. So if somebody wanted to dispute it because you have as of right. Right. If I wanted to go over there and use MBTA zoning, all I have to do is have the setbacks. I don't even have to listen to what these other regulations are. If it's not in zoning, you don't have to. All right. Those, but the reducions that we're trying to see get for. Robert, can you circulate around those that were past the, the year or so ago? Was it last year? Last? Two years ago. Two years ago? Okay. Before. One of the regulations or? The regulations that were passed after the fact. But yeah, I mean, if we have as of right zoning, then we'll get. Get what you get. Yep. Yep. Yep. So there's someone who's interested in doing something. Okay. But it does affect the whole district, right? It's not just one parcel. So you really have to look at the whole thing. So, you know, with the new, it'd be 253 units, which Alta Oxbow is 218. So it's big. It is big. It's big. It's big. It's like Longfellow changes or any of those other buildings change. That would be. Yeah. Longfellow. Longfellow is not. No, because it's across. It's not part of the district. It will be neighboring to Longfellow. Yeah. Longfellow is not part of it. It's really weird. Like it's. It's weird. This area. And then there's like a sliver of Sudbury that goes across. And that's how their landfill is connected to Sudbury. So because MBTA districts, you can't, it has to be contiguous. So it couldn't jump. Otherwise, maybe we would have put Longfellow. I don't know. This is the other part of the MBTA zoning is. There's no requirement or encouragement. Like there's no, like, if you work with Sudbury and Wayland and Sudbury work together and had a regional plan, then you could do this. It was all like boundaries, which is what, not what real life is like. You know, it's not, it's, we don't have like, here's your barrier line. And this is it. It's so backwards. And what we, we're still five foot behind of like, what it should be. You should have been a plan. Like if you do this, if you work together, then you will give you, you string it down. Or you can, you can meet the requirements other ways. Cause we would have probably done that. So I mean, Wayland, maybe. Yeah. We've done that every 20. Lapper and Richie. An example. Lapper and Richie site is half Wayland, half Sudbury. We could have done like way more thoughtful potentially in Wayland and Sudbury in that area. And maybe you could have done that. We still could. Is there a way. No, they don't want to do anything outside. I talk to them. Robert, because I don't know the details of MBTA, but is there a way we could like, write like a, not a zoning, but kind of like a guidelines for it. Like it does MBTA allow us to change, like, let's say what materials could be used on the facade. We have, we have architectural styles of the building. Yes. That's what he said. Color palette basically. That's what he's going to circulate around. Yeah. It's not binding. It's sort of binding. It's not binding. But at least we thought, we will have designed people on that to come to a thoughtful idea. That was agreeable. Cause it's kind of like town's gateway. I mean, that's the, it's going to be the first thing you enter from Southbury. That's why we focus on everything at Alta Oxbow. Cause it really is, you know, Longfell is a little bit, but then it's Sudbury landfill. People see Wayland as starting at Alta Oxbow. It's really in front of work. So, but anyway, so we are, you know, if there wants to be a liaison from the planning board, I don't know who's really kind of shepherding this. It's like the planning board. Is it everybody at once? I mean, overall, it's been a plan board. It's all been on, because if we, we see increased tax hours, what we like to send the MTA zoning. And if you do that, this would be a great win. Cause you're getting the height and getting the traffic. You're not going to see it in many kids. If there's a rental unit, actually, you know, it's going to be, you know, the number of kids you meet way down. All of those. So it's just a question of how do we get it done? So if it's coordinate with Annette, we're happy to do it. Like whatever it is, you could easily do and, you know, go to town meeting all the time and get a one pager. This is the amendment. Unfortunately, you just have to read it out loud, but you know, you can explain to people what it is really simply. You're welcome. I mean, you're welcome. I'm welcome to the plan board meeting. And you know, I want to discuss that. I don't know. I'm not sure what the option is for amendment. I can't speak on the behalf right now. Because if it doesn't have the amendment, it will probably fail. That's the problem because it'd be like, it's really not great zoning. Cause it could create a really not great result. So, but I think, I don't think we want to lose a year either. So I think there's a way to fix it. Um, but I think it just needs to be fixed. So we're willing to roll up our sleeves and help, um, and make that happen. So unfortunately, Bill Sterling is not on the, on the planning board yet, but. Not yet. He's running. Oh. Yeah. Soon to make. So. I'm not, I don't, I'm not really following this one. All the offices are uncontested. So it's not like any great trauma going on for election season, which is why all your lawns are not blundered with signs of it. Yeah. All right. So definitely relay to the planning board. We are more than happy to work with them. Um, from EDC's perspective. Do we want to. Take a vote on this, that this is the position of EDC. Are you fine with just Ali and I? What, what's your. From my point of view, it's basically encouraging the density, which gets us the economic development, but doing it responsibly. That's the sort of thing. I think we take a vote. I mean, at least you can say that, you know, it's like officially like, this is. Yeah. That's not just you guys. It's the whole board. So maybe give you a little bit more. Yeah. Do I hear a motion? Do I hear a motion? Approve. Right. You have to make AI first. Motion to approve EDC's recommendation. Article 00 amendments. To the planning board. Do I hear a second? Second. Katie, second. All in favor? David? Aye. Roll call. So Ali? Aye. Katie. Jeff. Becky, aye. And David? Absolutely aye. Oh, he is still awake. Aye. He's been kind of quiet. All right. So we will move that along and let us know. So time is, there's time to do it, but time is short. I mean, it should go through design review board. We should check in with select board, bring FinCom up speed. Like, just say the quick things. Back to say, he needs to go back to design review board. There's nothing to design. There's no. It's just their input. That's what we do. I know. But there's no. It's not a project. There's no project. It's just. Just. There's no. There's no set approval. It's just, what do you guys think? Do you have any comments? They can. They can. It's a free country. They can comment on what they want. Yeah. And they're in support. Again, it's just another. Oh, good. Okay. You know what? Design review board. And planning board. And ADC. And select board. And FinCom. Are all in favor of this. That says a lot. I don't think it can. I don't think it can. Everybody. Let's just put it that way. You don't think what? I don't think it can convince everybody. You know. Let's have some discussions. Yeah. Go ahead. I believe the software had ready to get a vote on it. So. I think that's. Select board voted it down. They didn't approve it. They voted two, three. Right? So. If you could change it and you could get them on board, that's a message. Right? So. I know that one of them, their concern was the height so close to the road. So. He's like, ah, it was just one floor shorter. I probably would have been okay with it, but I just can't get my arms wrapped around it. So, you know, if you can flip that vote. Again, you can make that compelling argument at town. So we're happy to help and kind of do that. Because again, this is good density if it's massed properly. And part of it, too, is the concern, the Candela property, the front, which is the now a food pantry, the back office building. It's my understanding still in the market, but there there was a group that was thinking about doing flex office, which is not a high value use. Right? If you had this zoning in place, maybe go talk to that owner and talk with them. So who knows? But waiting for a year may not help. So, but if we can fix it and get it over the finish line in a good way, we are more than willing to roll up our sleeves and do that. So would it help if we. A big difference to help people approve it. Yeah. Yeah. Would it help if we appear at planning board? Public comment? Probably somewhere. Probably on your agenda, right? It should be because it's your articles. Is it already on your agenda? I don't think it's on the agenda now. Okay. All right. Well, let's connect and if it makes sense for us to public comment. Might as well. Okay. Infographics. So the first one is this one. So our commercial tag face and then also the email, which was behind the minutes. So this went around a little bit in circles. We met right before school vacation week to try to get it out. Um, but ultimately Tom Faye wanted to take a look at it, pass it through just because we hadn't had our follow-up meeting yet, et cetera. He ran it through with Carol. And again, this was sort of, this is holding us up and kind of being a little onerous. So at this point he gave us, and I showed you the red line that is behind the minutes. Um, the red line is his. So he didn't touch a whole lot of it. Um, but a couple of things it's just useful to know is that he struck where we talk about, um, commercial tax base. Part of the, part of the puzzle is one or two townhome developments at orchard lane or MBTA communities. He struck that piece of it because we as a board cannot advocate for political causes. So we can't, it's very strange, even though that's the meaning of our board is to advocate. We can't necessarily say to vote yes on certain things. We can kind of raise it as an issue. And this is kind of the line, but that's why it is struck. So it's this fine line of educating people and we do advocate, but at the same time, not necessarily saying how to vote on a certain topic. But other than that, I think mostly it's some of it's just Tom being a lawyer. Usually used to be, uh, editing stuff, but otherwise he didn't touch a whole lot of it. Um, so we are good to go, but it's now a month later. So it's like, has anything changed or otherwise? The thought was do this as an email, the cover email, and then have the infographic defined. This goes out to our mailing list. This goes out from a little bit of the impetus before was, you know, not a lot of people knew about the orchard lane article or about the MBTA one. Um, and I know that. Schools didn't know about what you're laying. Is that right? What's that? Schools didn't know about what you're laying. So, you know, part of it is understanding and getting some of that motivation out, understanding how development could help sort of laying that groundwork, but that, I wouldn't say the window is past, but it's not quite as timely just because all the articles are in at this point. But so the question with you guys is, do we want to send this out as is, like, as it stands, as we've had approved by the select board and going forward, we just have to run it past. Like Tom will just look at it, but we don't have to go through that whole thing. Uh, this was literally approved as part of their packet. It was in their select board packet. So we don't have to go through that protocol anymore. Um, okay. Why would we not send it out? Just checking in. If everybody's cool with it, then we should be good to go and be able to send it out. Um, I think the one question mark is on the infographic, which is, Ali, we're trying to figure out the whole wetlands thing. Yeah. It's so squidgy because the problem is wetlands overlap with conservation, overlap with floodplain. So we really need that data. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, part of it, this was interesting because we were trying to get to that metric, but it's kind of hard to get to that metric. Right. So, Ali, with the data that you had, um, and you and I didn't really talk about it that much, but do you feel comfortable with that total, that total at the bottom? 24%, I think, if the town's area was considered a wetlands, according to mass. Yeah. Yeah. So the wetland, and then we know what's open space and then we know what's, you know, sort of. But that's again tricky because open space can be open space and wetland together as well. I think the town really has, Robert, correct me if I'm wrong, but the town has the detailed, like, land classification layers that we can look at and say, okay, this is open space. It's part of the wetland, but it's counted as open space. No. It's like, what are these subsets? And then what is it all together? And it's just a single boundary. Right. Yeah. Sorry. Actually, maybe just a simplification for the infographic. Like we take a step back. Like, I think the point that we're trying to make is we have a very small portion of land that is available. Right. So instead of getting into the nitty gritties of the sub boxes, what do we have to do? Like, developable and built versus non-developable. Probably is not a word. And I can describe in the side, like, non-developed. Yeah. Non-developable means there might be floodplains, whatever, wetlands, conservation. Yeah. Do you feel like in the data, like, back in? We could probably do that. I'll check, but I think we should be able to. Yeah. So that would be just adding up everything that we can to a local. And that's tracking it from. Yeah. Part of it too. This is about the commercial tax base. And this is really relevant. Like, do we want to put in something else and then save this for the next one? And we'll have the data and all that kind of stuff. Is there something else about the commercial tax base? I wanted to, like, kind of with a point I brought up last time, I want to expand on the split tax rate, you know, because the research I did, there's definitely play, I think, in what Wayland's can assess commercial properties at. And surprisingly, like, even Lincoln, which has a fraction of our commercial, has a split tax rate. We never would think that. Hmm. Yeah. I think Lincoln would be a single. Yeah. I think Lincoln would be single. Yeah. Yeah. But they have such, usually when you see towns with that small commercial, you don't see, like, a split rate. But, I mean, I think, I think there's, like, $4 to $5 per thousand on the mill rate that could very easily. Yeah. How much was Lincoln's higher? I'm sorry, when we did the whole, the, the. How much, how much higher was it? Yeah. How much higher was it? Yeah. Yeah. In Lincoln. I didn't, I mean, I can find, I didn't do the comparison. I just, I just bought the commercial rate for everyone, but their commercial rate was $18.78, which is basically, you know, it's a little over $3,000 higher than Wayland. Yeah. Yeah. Sudbury's at $21.54. Birmingham's at $23.97. Waltham's at $22.18. So, a lot of the towns have Honkard's low, very low surprisingly. They have a dual rate. Honkard does have a dual rate? It does, yeah. Huh. It's actually the only town I know of that has a lower commercial rate than residential. It's so bizarre. Yeah. Wow. So bizarre. Huh. I was going to take out unusually higher, because I'm like, all of them are high. Wow. Really? 1815. Margo, 1843. I mean, New England has a lot of commercial. 1806. Lincoln, I said, 1878. Framingham, 23. So, I mean, I think, I think it's an easy layup to, to get another $4 to $5 per thousand commercial tax rate. And that's not going to drive away business. Like, some of the properties are pass-throughs. Like, that'll be absorbed in the Wayland Town Center. Some of the smaller properties are gross leases. The owner may, you know, have to pick up some of that. But, you know, I don't, I don't think it's, I don't think it's like a deterrent. Because I think it still stacks up well with what's going on around here. Hmm. And what's the total commercial tax base? 160 million. 160 million. So $40 is like 160,000, right? So, if you did three bucks, it's like half a million bucks. Yeah. Nothing to sneeze at. No. I mean, it's real money from town like this. Yeah. Okay. Can you jot down all those? Oops, I forgot. But yeah, just jot down all those so we have that data. And then kind of think through a recommendation. Is that, can we decide, is that something that is just a select board vote? Or is that a top meeting to change the? Oh, sure. Who knows? Ask your friend, ChatGP. What, a way one? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Although it does hallucinate. It couldn't be that smart. Well, it knows where to go look, right? So always kind of double check it, but it knows where to look. And it'll give you sources. So click on it. But you know, so it's usually like stuff like that. It will find an heartbeat, but I asked it. I think we're all out of a job if ChatGPT answers this. How do we save our fiscal crisis? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Sorry, Robert. Did we kill this whale and elk in the allocation box? So I think we killed this one for this. Okay. This one. And it might actually leave us more space, but this was still squishy, right? We need to kind of see that. Can we just keep this content then? And I can rearrange and make it fit better? I think so. Okay. Great. I think that that's an important point because I feel like that really plays into why they're why it's a big part of Wayland's identity. I think if we just simplify that, let's say. Oh, but the land ethics, but it's not, this is all it shifted. So this is just commercial tax base, right? So this is more of an overall, which is probably on the next one where we're not losing it. We're not losing it, but it shifts to the next one. We moved out of this, out of this one. Just so we focus solely on the commercial so that people can kind of get their parents around that. This is kind of straddling the line. I do think maybe the title is different on what is Wayland's identity. Like how much is developable commercial land? Like what could we develop? Because I do think it's a big puzzle and then you're comparing towns. And it's like, well, why not us? It's like, oh, okay. Oh, that's easy. So we can easily find commercial land as a percent of the overall. Yeah. That would be much more better. Yeah. But when we say commercial land, are we talking about active commercial land? Or are we talking about land by zoning? By right. By right. By right. By right. By right. By right. We need the zoning. Which is so bizarre. How can't you get the zoning layer? There's a PDF of it, but apparently the town's GIS layers are town's GIS layers. So we have a map and quantify it. I can't pull the data out of a commercial on our GIS system. Well, you can, but only the GIS. They have the data, but the GIS department or person has it. You can't publicly do it. There is a map if you want to look at it online, but we can't quantify it. We can quantify it for one property if you're interested in property ABN number disk. We can query that. We can't make a mass query. Can you see the map of all of a sudden? We can all see the map, but you can't quantify it. Can you see the map of all of a sudden? Yeah. We can see what's going on first. Yes. We can't take that in, but it's . This is all land. We can. More or less it would be, we could even visually do it probably. Yes. Well, you can do it for every parcel though, right? Hmm? You have to count every parcel? No, I mean. Just ask the AI. Yeah. The whole thing. This is the town of Wayland. What percent? I mean, the commercial zones are in a specific color or actual or something. Yeah. So we could just say. Just the pink. Throw a polygon around these areas and just count them. Okay. It won't be the official number, but I guess for this kind of stuff, it might be. Well, you can help me with that number. And I can, I will still shrink down this box. I think there's a way to see how I shrink down this. And we'll just erase. And I can put in just the 1%. And I've seen it before. Like it's like three or 4% of our total land. Right? So it's. That's what you expect. That's great though. Yeah. It's such a small, you know, it just sort of feeds into the same narrative. Then maybe we just do an email to Brendan who said, you need to meet Brendan. Brendan would be your posse, right? Yeah. He's so excited. He's stopping by when he has a minute and then he could just run the query for us. I don't need the data. He's at the DBW building. So he's not here, which is kind of crazy because land use is here, but never. Maybe they have better Wi-Fi. I don't know. But yeah. But you guys have normally access to this information, right? Really? So even when you need it, you have to ask. This is a problem. Isn't it public information? Yeah. It is. Can we file a. Yeah. Yeah. Freedom of information. We can. We'll definitely help you, but it should help you out. So eventually I actually went down that road. So I send an email. Right. So they replied and they said, they're kind of like, they don't really have a clue about if they can give us because they don't want a copy of the information out there different from theirs. I think the concern is that we will modify it and then we'll present something else. Could you say that about anything? I know. Believe me, I checked pretty much all the towns and county data in Massachusetts. We're one of the rare towns that we have it as a PDF, but not openly there as GIS layers. Like most towns around us have actually a dedicated page that you just click. I acknowledge a standard copyright thing and then you can download for ours. You need to fill out a form, send a form, and then they reply you and say, okay, we granted you the information. They're not granting you access, they're just giving you the information. They didn't say no to us, just to be clear. They were pretty friendly. They just said, it's not as easy as here are the files, let me attach it to the email. So we just need to ask for a specific list of questions. Yeah. I'm totally fine. We need to be specific and have it come back to us. Slow check. That's kind of where I was going. I was like, hey, can we put a timeline on it? Like if we don't have it within two weeks, we like send a version. I just don't want this to be held up. No, no. So I think Brendan's pretty good. Right. So I think we can use that email and write him that we don't need the actual files. If you give us like a background or X and Z, it will make life. We know. And yeah, I'll update this. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, if you want to build a graphic that it's all. I've got with developable and undevelopable commercial land. We should ask it to first stem as well. Let's see if it will give us the number. If not, we'll point. What's the question of our commercial land? How much of it is developable based on the wetlands? Yeah. I mean, why are we going to bother talking about land that you can't do anything with? It just puts everything into context. Right. Yeah. Yeah. We only have 3% of our towns. And by the way, another 1% is undevelopable. Even the fact that I don't know. That's what the GS layer sells. But like 24% of the town is wetland is actually huge. Huge. Huge. Yes. So that's. For people. And conservation lands. Everything else. Drainage machines in this town. Jeff. Jeff, Jeff. Come on. All right. Okay. So on this subject. Do you want to say. Does Wayland. I'd like to get some data to put in there. So. Maybe just a comparison of some towns that maybe have a significant IRA. The same. The same tier towns. We just do the same ones. Because it's always good to have some similar metrics. Okay. Because it sounds like you have all of them. Probably not Weston. It's good to have the. Yeah. I mean all these are covered. It's just. Which ones help the cause. I guess. Sudbury definitely does. Framingham does. But we show all of them. Yeah. Right. What specifically do we want to show that the mill rates for. So that. Those who have split tax rates. And so Weston. I don't think does. Wayland doesn't. Sudbury conquered. Framingham do. Yeah. Congress bizarre. Yeah. Do we think that that's going to happen in case. If there's only two data points on here. That make the point. You're trying to make. I mean. But if they're. Two of them are neighboring towns. Yeah. Framingham. Framingham. Natick. If Lincoln does. Lincoln. Lincoln should absolutely be on there. Natick. Shockingly has a single rating. Shock. Natick only has a single rating. Shock. It's crazy. It's only 12. 17. Plus because they have. A lot of. A lot of money. Yeah. The law. So. Assume that there's going to be like. Four or five examples. Yeah. And he'll get you those examples. Of split tax rates. So we'll probably want to list towns. That don't have a split tax rate. And just say. Natick. Confer did. Natick. Weston. Whatever. Weyland. But those who do. This is their split tax rate. The motion. With those two changes. Pretty good with. We'll do the last tweaks. And be able to get them out. Do I hear a motion? Motion. Motion to approve. As amended. As amended. And to be amended. As agreed. To be amended. As agreed. All right. Katie. Motion to hear a second. Second. Karen. Second. All in favor. Ali. Aye. Karen. Katie. Aye. I'll be still there. Perfect. All right. And then. The last one. Was this. Karen. You said. Okay. All right. So this was. Revisioned to the infographic. For people. Potential businesses. And also using for the broker. So we're just sort of. Running out of time. So why don't we digest that one. Sorry Karen. You had sent it to me. And then I completely forgot to circulate it. Okay. The only changes that were. We did review the last time. Yeah. You know. Suburban zoning advantage. We were kind of. Reworked out. So that's what we had decided on. It's a group. And then I removed. There was information on the bottom. What was it. That we decided wasn't necessary. I can't remember what it was. But we decided it wasn't necessary. And it should be in the last of these notes. And so I removed it. And those are the only changes that have been made. This is kind of nitpicky. But would you. Would you want the comma in between upscale and suburban. Because it upscale means. To me it means like it's kind of referring to. The pickup window is being upscale. Versus if it was just upscale suburban. You're talking about. The actual. Geography. Yeah. Community. Upscale. Upscale. Suburban is. Is. Is. Upscale. Suburban. You're talking about the community. If it's like upscale. I'm talking about zoning. It refers to the zoning advantage. Upscale. Suburban zoning advantage. Upscale. Upscale. Suburban. Upscale. Upscale. Upscale. We're talking about. The suburban community being upscale. Upscale. Yeah. Going to the zoning advantage. Okay. I was looking at it previously as. Wayland was an upscale suburban community. It is. But that's the. I mean in the sentence. Those are the describing words for zoning advantage. The word community is not in this sentence. So grammatically. So grammatically. I don't really care. But it feels weird to me. To have two adjectives in a row. No common between. That describe. The zoning advantage. Yeah. Here is my mother. English teacher coming out. Ooh. And two. We're trying to hide the zoning advantage. So I kind of see. It. It looks weird at first. But it actually does make sense. And it makes you stop. And say okay. That's the. That's the zoning advantage. So the only other thing. So. Um. As it hit me. The. Pre-order pickup window. How do you use it? Right. How do you. How do you. How do you. How do you. How do you. How do you. How do you. How do you. What do you do. To apply for the zoning. It's really. Want to get into that. This. This is. This is like. This is like. This is like. Something. Here's the link. Right. This is how you would. Maybe a link. A link. Only. The broker. To be like. There's information. They're not. You know. Okay. It's more of like. Oh. Interesting. I will. You should be sophisticated. To figure out the zone. I'm happy to. Happy to. Happy to add like. That's not a big deal. But I don't think. We should get into it. Like. Sort of. Next steps. Like. Should be savvy enough. To. Use zoning. I mean. The broker. Should be. I can add it. On the last line. Down here. Even. It does say like. More information. Or. Whatever. Because we've now. Put it actually. On our. Web gauge. Which probably. You got a lot of that stuff. Great. So. I didn't check that one. To pick up. Window. Zoning is on there. Mostly changes. But not. Some of the. Sorting wise. On the left side. Yeah. I noticed. We're out of order. You can't. You can't. There's a way to. If you put it. If you miss this. Take a little space. Put a space in it. It goes to the top. But I can't sort it out. It goes. A to Z. I can't. Say I want. It just. It just. It doesn't do it. Yeah. It's not that. I did. That's what you possibly do. I'm gonna go over time. Make sure I did anything. You need to do. There you go. I mean. Email. She's targeting. Early fall. September for opening. Cool. So Karen. Next month. Uh. Next meeting would be. April 10th. For you. I left the meeting at. 10.04. Yeah. I know. Yeah. So the AI. That's good. Okay. All right. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. They have a refund policy for those people who booked their wedding in August. They weren't. I think they weren't booked until September. Oh. I thought. That's what I had heard September. They said about. They opened to what. They said opening early fall. September. They're having a lot. They're having a lot of. A lot. I was the bride and groom. Just a little bit. All right. So. Do I hear a motion to. We'll just make any little last tweaks. But then be able to. What this will do. We'll post it on our. Web page. And then. Also. We can talk next time about how we circulated. That's true. Buy and conquer. So. Motion to approve. As amended generally. It's discussed here. Do I hear that motion? Motion to approve. Second. 80. Motion. 80. Second. All in favor. Ali. Yay. Katie. Hi. Katie. Hi. Jeff. Becky. Hi. And David. Hi. Awesome. 6-0. Because Karen left. Okay. So with that. Postpartum and building department survey. That's on hold until we talk with select board. But hopefully we can. Yeah. I haven't drafted it actually. We had a great conversation last month. Oh good. And I built a draft. But. Yeah. Hopefully we can move it pretty quickly. So if you want to. Yep. Circulate it around to members. And then. Yeah. People can individually comment back to you. But then we can just discuss it next time. But if you want to kind of. I won't be here. Okay. Great. Oh, you're not here. April. 410 doesn't work for me. Sorry. What about the 17th? Is that? Spring. No. No. That's not. No. I'm sure I'll make it work as well. Sorry. It's either the 10th or the 17th works. All right. So we'll stick with the 10th. Does that generally work for people? Is it better than the 17th? Do you care? It works. April. April 10th. It's our typical second Tuesday. That'll give us more time to do this. Sorry. Second Friday. Until it's Friday. Yeah. All right. So we'll stick with the 10th. Yeah. That's fine with you. All right. April 10th. Yep. Good. Perfect. Okay. So we will meet April 10th. Yeah. We'll keep this moving in the background. So yeah, if you want to circulate, we can get your comments. Okay. Anything else? Hearing none. Do I hear a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. Katie, motion. Do we hear a second? Second. Katie, second. All in favor? Ali, aye. Aye. Jeff, aye. Stephanie, aye. David? Aye.