May 11, 2026 – Economic Development Committee – Video & Transcript
May 11, 2026 - Economic Development Committee
So we will call to order. It is 833.
Do we have, I know Jeff was attending. I don't, is he a panelist?
Okay. Just for Zoom at Tom. All right. So, so we are in person and remote. Jeff may attend remotely, but the rest of us are in person. Good morning, everybody. So David is traveling. Karen's out sick. Sounds like whatever is floating around. I might actually over a little bit. Katie Harris, Meaty and Ali. And then we have Robert Hummel as well. And hi, Tom. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. So we'll begin with public comment. Can we have public comment? Nope. Just attending. All right. So meeting minutes, I was out last week. I got back and for some reason the links wouldn't work. I don't know. It was weird because it was my browser. So I had the video, but not the, huh? It didn't work. I couldn't get the transcript off of the meeting. It was really weird. Like everything was there except for that. So I was kind of doing it with Seth. We figured out it was my browser. I don't know. It's very strange. So I have it now. So we'll be able to transition over. Do you work with, do you work with cloud or do you work with ChatGPT? I have all of them. All of them. Like I haven't used it. I'm going to try it for cloud. ChatGPT is just, it bangles the word, like all the formatting, which it should be easy enough. So I tried it on the Microsoft and you would think that with their own program, they would figure it out. But so I'm going to try it. Let me use the prompt one last time. And I just needed the transcripts and they didn't have them. So I'll do that. And then we'll transition over.
So Robert, town planner update. What's, what's news? We had a few articles on zoning paths. One was the MBTA, that was housekeeping. And then the appeal for the plan board was, was, was a postponance. Definitely. There was a lot of it. One has noted there's a lot of corrections that need to be done. And that's what we decided to come back that at a later date. Onward? What was that? The plan board appeal. Oh, okay. What about cycling and stuff? Yep. But we're moving along. We have a point where we're meeting with the council owner, small Jesse and AJ. I possibly made it that their partner, not sure if he's going to zoom in or not from Chicago.
But yeah, moving along. It's not just, that meeting's just for internal stuff? It's an introduction. They met with me multiple times. They met with Annette, but they have not met with the whole board. So Robin and Bill Sterling and Ira. They have not met with anybody else. Just me and the chair. Yep. Is that open to the public? Yeah. It'd be at 8.30. It was more of an introduction. Like, here's who we are. Here's what, here's our vision. How do we work together to either mend the zoning or to mend the master special permit to achieve what we want to do? We'll be able to kind of hear suggestions, but we wanted to work together, which is kind of the opposite of what we had with the previous owner, where they really didn't care or they just did what they want to do. But these owners actually want to do stuff. And I, I, you drive through them and you see them, they're there at the plaza, they're walking around, looking at stuff. And so they have a vision of what they want to do. And there's some key spots that, that the, in the town center with the, near the green space, there's two big, vacant spaces right now that once you imagine those being a restaurant or something, it's going to really help that, that's that piece of the area. Any big applications before the planning board, you stated? Site plan, site plan, and site plan. Supplied stuff? Yeah, I mean, all of the site plans are now. All right. Two site plans can be in. So speaking of town center, Tom, they're coming before the select board for the big presentation, June 1st. Is that the? Yes, that's my understanding. Okay. So that's sort of the meeting. If people are interested, they want to hear about it, that's when they should show up. Is it, I presume it's going to be both Zoom and in person? Yes. Most of our meetings are all hybrid. Robert, my vague memory is that the planning board would be present for that. Is that right? Or is that not your understanding? I don't think we've been invited. I've not been invited personally for the plan. I don't think the plan board has been invited. Unless Robert and have been invited. I'm not aware. I'll look into that. Yeah. Just, just, all you're thinking is just let us know. If you want us to be there, just let us know. So, hey, we're going to meet with the 10 lines and orders. If the plan board can attend, please attend. Do you need to do for posting if you have to post? Just, just let us know so we can know. Okay. If we're not invited, we're not, the plan board is not going to show up. It's just, that's not our meeting. Understood. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be good for everybody to hear all the same thing. Oh, and also, Dugano has got their safe plan for their outdoor dining. So. Well, they did it. Good. So they're done.
Which time they're going to go today, and that's possible. Give us a book, a page number, and then put it out to the lady today. So they are just on the edge. Like, they'd be like, they've just been on the edge for the last two weeks. Like, we've been to have a meeting. Unfortunately, you can be ready for a time meeting where we have so much more to get stuff done. And priorities, we just, to write a decision for outdoor dining, and, you know, a week or two, it's like, it's fine. I'll get out. Does anyone know how they're doing? What else? Does anyone know how they're doing after opening? They seem like they're doing good. I mean, I've been a few times. Yeah, we've been a bunch of times. Yes. Okay. I mean, it's going to take some time, but, like, it's on Route 20. So if you don't, you know, you go by a few times, you're going to eventually come back, eventually. Like, you drive by it, eventually you're going to back. It seemed like a good, people in construction are going there. I see them going, walking over it, from doing the buildings and taking a break. They don't have copies. See, any more convenient. They like it too, so they're excited. Yeah. And they're moving along pretty fast, too. They're almost done in that front building, in the terrain. Are they not blowing a hole through the middle of the terrain building anymore? I don't know. There are holes in that building, but they're moving super fast. They need to get done by August first. Like, late August. Well, they have a wedding ready to go. Because if they were demoing out that middle piece, it seemed like they would have done it by now. So maybe they're not. I don't know, but that'd be exciting. I don't want to derail us for too long. But have you guys been listening to the Marble Pit thing that's been bubbling up about the... I know about it. Yeah. Yeah. So I was just curious if the state, because the state needs more housing, if that pressure could be applied to the old break, like where the housing would be in town center to get the old break. That's what we try to do. Yeah. We really try to have meetings and really push for the previous owners to really, to advocate and go to the governor, go to Maura Healey, go to Drissel, and really say, hey, we want to do something. We just can't get past this lately on an issue. No, we've tried. And they did try to. I wonder if the timing, it feels like it's bubbling up again. I think it's one of the priorities. They know about it. They probably have information about what happened in the past. I think they have the priority first is to try to fill some new spots first, and then maybe go back to that later. Hopefully, they have a long-term vision of what they want to do. We've not been really discussing, but they are aware. So they have other higher priorities. Yeah, the dark market and try to fill some vacancies they have and really try to create a place and then make that case of, look, we have all this. We have not, even when we have, you know, five or seven vacancies they have, then go through the phase two, then go to do something about housing. But they have a lot of low-hanging fruit, so they want to get the signage. Do they need our help to put pressure on the state? Not specifically us. Oh. Not right now. I think it's just kind of, I think they want to focus on some smaller things and then a long-term reason to try to potentially do some housing. But that's not the way it makes it work for them, if they can financially make it work. I know, Tom, you can speak to it maybe a little bit. You know that Michael has reached out. I mean, there's been some questioning. So ultimately, talking with Jesse before, clearly they have a lot on their plate right now. But it's going to take some time to deal with Raytheon. So it's like, that's something we could be doing in the town in the background. I know some conversations have happened, but Tom, do you perceive they're completely dead at this point, or are they ongoing, or?
So the dynamic is this. Raytheon got bought, I think, by Texas Space Company, of which I should know about but forget. So their corporate structure changed, new general counsel, and I think if Raytheon was locally based, I think we would have had a different outcome. Okay, so that's the personal dynamic. We have reached out to them multiple times. We have involved the lieutenant governor in discussions on this. But then up to date, they're not really willing to budge. We are in touch with them relative to exploring a possible playground at the town green. We'll see what comes of that. But I do think future conversations are worth it. I think they will occur. What the outcome will be unclear. Speaking of the Marblehead thing, it was blisteringly clear that Marblehead just did paper zoning, right, which is kind of what we did at Mainstone. Have you guys heard anything on the state level of any? Because clearly, like, it was pretty funny. Well, he called them out, like, being very honest, and called out. Yeah. When national was local and then completely national, even, like, the local news, I just viewed and they walked around him and just, like, this is a rare guy. He just completely clueless and, like, he's, like, huh, this is not what we're going to be doing. So it's pretty funny. Imagine it's only a point of a matter of time because we said that before. I mean, we've done it, right? I think they're still focused on these small communities. Three of them pulled in, and then there's a few down in the South Shore, and then Wyrmptons, Tewsbury, and there's another one, too, up there. I think they're trying to focus on those. They achieved something out. Because if there's, like, eight or nine, I'm not still holding out. Some are much louder than the other ones, but there's a set of three in the North Shore, and there's a set of three that are really close, and you kind of wonder if they're kind of working together a little bit. Like, if you, I'm not going to do it, so if you don't do it, we can all bond together. But, I mean, I don't know. And then some communities said, we'll just do it, we'll achieve, and separate, we'll just burn paper, and we took a box.
But we did kind of a hybrid. We said we wanted to see something grow up here, but we also, we know it's really hard to meet the zoning, so we have to zone some 50 acres somewhere. So, you know, that's how it came up with. I imagine the state won't use it, right? As much as it finally resonated with people, so I think it's just enough time before they clue into that. So, you know, particularly because Marblehead's plan will be coming in front of them, and they'll have to approve it, right? Because it fits the model. But clearly, you know, clearly. Yeah, so you can go to the website, the MBTA, and you can see what's being built. You can see what community is actually building housing, brain tree, Lexington, and you can see all the number of units that have been developing it. So it's very interesting, because you can kind of see a trend. I kind of wish they put it into, like, a JS map, and you can kind of see it. That would be kind of cool, just to kind of visualize it and see, like, where it actually is being built. Not just, like, an Excel file, like, not just, like, a data of showing information, but, like, a visual map. But, like, like, here, oh, it's all here. You can see it's Lexington, new, and, like, boys, they really kind of spread out a little bit. But, so, yeah, it's interesting. Right. Tom, before we go forward, did you, I don't know how much time you have, did you want to have any updates for us as it pertains to select board goings-on?
Particularly, nothing really stands out. I am curious to see the planning boards work on Route 20 and further discussions along those lines and potential zoning that they may be considering for Route 20. I know this is a multi-year effort, or put it another way, an effort that won't happen overnight. Other than that, nothing really, from a select board perspective, jumps out at this stage of the game. We're working on the 2-12 RFP. Do you know what the status of when that's going to be released? Yeah, we're working on the RFP for 2-12. I think the hope is for it to be released in June.
Hopefully the latest July.
And for both of you, so, Tom, I remember that the next step on the Route 20 stuff was the planning board was going to give a list to the select board of things they wanted to do in zoning. Has that been delivered, or is that not the next step? Not that I've heard of. Maybe it has to the chair, but not that I've heard of. So it hasn't been delivered yet.
That works.
Let's see. Tom, as with the playground amenities of the town brain, remind me, since I was vacation brain. So as it was left with the select board, and knowing that Graffito is willing to have its designer work on it, what are next steps?
I've reached out to the LSP, the town center, who is in touch with Raytheon, to learn their position on the idea of a playground at the town green. In addition, Graffito is offered to have one of their landscape design persons look at it and come up with some ideas. So I think that's where we're at. I think we also said that the EDC could reach out to the health department. We could kind of, or like... I think that's the LSP. That's the environmental stuff. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Tom is figuring out that, because it really does come down to Raytheon at the end of the day. And what it, you know, if we can have one, and then ultimately it probably has a liner, there are certain criteria and stuff like that. But so that should be covered. And then going from there with the designer, had you guys select what you guys left at that rec would do it? Do you need us to help rec department, or who would be coordinating with Graffito in your mind? I'm not sure we're really there yet.
Recreation makes sense. But I think we just want to make sure that we know it can get done. And then once that's established, then we can continue to discuss the idea. Okay. What's the timeline, Tom, as far as like... I'm sure it's not the easiest thing with Raytheon, but any idea that the timeline when you would hear back? Well, I was expecting to hear back last week. And so I'll follow up this week and hopefully learn something. So soon. Tom, do you know, is the playground specifically not allowed? Or is it just, could the LSP provide guidance of what kind of, you know, liner that we would have to provide? It generally has to do with the agreements in place when that property, you know, became, you know, a town center and the rights of Raytheon to okay projects at that site, right? Due to the environmental, due to the environmental history. Practically speaking, it would surprise me that Raytheon would have a problem with, with the playground, especially with the technology today.
But that's, that's the, it's a contractual obligation or contractual right that Raytheon has to green light or red light projects at the town center, including what you mentioned earlier, the housing. Right. So hopefully we'll hear and then be able to get that kicked off. I think it'll be helpful to hear the June 1st presentation with the overall from Grafito. And maybe, you know, by that time, we'll be able to segue into something with the playground. Who's the LSP? License site professional. So whenever you have an environmental condition, as an owner, you have to hire an LSP, but technically the LSP is representative of the state. So they're sort of your local professional who will advise you on all the environmental rules and regs. And they're the ones who have to sign off on your work and the paperwork. So there are LSP coordinating with their LSP. And they're, you know, they need to kind of come to, come to agreement on that. By way of background, for those who don't know, for example, I think this history would be helpful. So where the COACC is now, that was a building that was abandoned. All right. It was in the middle of construction. And when I went in there, what, four years ago, to look at that building, there was a Sprite bottle half full. And there were plans this thick on a table. They had started the construction, but it was just abandoned. And the reason it was abandoned was because of environmental concerns. And it was going to be a daycare center for kids. And that wasn't going to happen because of the nature of the environmental issues. So it stayed empty for many, many years. But we worked through that and we have that beautiful building that we have today. So that may help some of you appreciate the dynamic that's going on here. So Raytheon in the past signed off on all this zoning in place for what's there. So they signed off way back when. Now they're saying, well, any changes still have to go through us. And that's sort of in perpetuity, which is forever. Pretty much. Yeah. Because ultimately, the environmental liability goes back to them. Which is why, you know, their new attorneys are like, well, why would we do anything? Why would we open ourselves up? Even if it really, you know, housing happens on site like this all the time. But they're like, we have zero liability or we could have some, you know, like a fractional where it's just, you know, lawyers can go for the zero. So it's getting them comfortable that something could actually happen there. And to Tom's point, getting through to the right people because it really will be more political than it because they have no financial benefit. Didn't Raytheon own buildings in other towns? Like what's happening with those sites? So they've abandoned since, obviously. Like what? Yeah. So like the big one in Sudbury where the Whole Foods is. Yeah. Like that was redeveloped. And a lot of that happened while Raytheon, again, Raytheon being a local company, then they were more attuned to it and repurposing some of these sites. Now they're owned by, you know, probably a company down in Texas and, you know, so that's the question, you know, can they sort of be politically influenced or, you know, incentive that this is a good thing to do and might take some time. So, okay. Tom, before we lose you, so Article 16, you guys pulled that, right? You pulled the article about Orchard Lane, but you guys have set up. Can you just update where you are in that? Prior to town meeting, the select board voted to create a committee to oversee or be involved in the work of the professionals if Article 16 passed. But since Article 16 didn't pass, that as it's written, that committee will not be created, right? So the select board may discuss it further and still may want to create some sort of a committee, but it seems to me the next step is for the school committee to do its due diligence on where they may want to construct new schools if that's where the recommendation is going to go. And if it doesn't involve that property, then they'll consider giving up, voicing their support of giving up jurisdiction over that property or they will not. Or they'll just want to keep it. So that's kind of where things stand. Okay. Kind of what I was hearing from a couple of people, they were just sort of, you know, the article sort of came out of nowhere and they felt like there wasn't thought before sending it to a consultant. So the thought is, you know, do you still have the committee and do some of the forward thinking and inclusivity, you know, bringing people to the table and thinking through some of these things before something lands again? Like just to get people's input and thoughts and et cetera, just to be able to inform the school committee in their discussions as well. You know, what's the highest and best use for some of these parcels? Yeah, we might, but there's no money now to do that work, right? But that doesn't mean you can't form a committee and chat about ideas, I suppose. but, you know, we need to be respectful of the school committee's jurisdiction on the property and it seems to me if we did such a committee they would need to be in support of it and certainly part of it. And part of it, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Both Alina thought, you know, with the 200,000 it's such a high number. It's like, it's a clean site. There's not a lot of, there's not even a ton of wetlands. It's pretty upland. It's pretty easy as a site. So it could be something much less. It could be, you know, 50 grand and it's really like for two, I'm sorry, the South landfill. What did you guys spend for that sort of planning exercise? Do you remember? it was 30 maybe? Oh, no, no, no. Tom Holder would know, but it was, I think it was upwards of at least $100,000 with all the, all the consultants we hired and, and the environmental review and the environmental. Yeah. Yeah. The, the borehole, you know, the, the, yeah. Yeah. The actual site planning guy though. I forget his name. But he was probably, he was from the collaborative. Yeah. Yeah. And what was he, he was at least 20, 20 to 30,000, I think. Yeah. Yeah. That's typically what you see just to kind of, you know, it took a lot, you know, clearly building on top of a cap landfill has its challenges. But this one would be pretty clean and just kind of getting sort of that, that thought process. What's interesting now is that I'm about to try out an AI program. I forget. It's not Bromit. It's, I forget what, but it's basically, it's a real estate AI and you can literally take a site and just plug it in and it gives you all kinds of different options. So have you tried at LA or no? No. Yeah. It has heard and so similar things in action, but then we tried. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it can literally look at whether you're doing, you know, townhomes or single family homes or, you know, you could just got to feed it all kinds of inputs and see, you'd have in minutes what you might otherwise spend, you know, 30 grand with a consultant. But we'll let you know. Hey, Jeff. So Jeff has joined at 857. So anything else, Becky, otherwise I'm going to hit the road, I think that's it. You were asking about the existing corridor cleanup. And so Katie, if next up, you were going to look at the whole kind of that chart that we had, I don't know if you had a chance, but Tom was asking when we can put together, excuse me, sort of the letter to go out to the businesses. Oh, great. So you and I can work on that. So Tom, you were talking with Michael about that, but not necessarily the building inspector. What conversation have you had about the Route 20 cleanup letters to the property owners? No, I think, I forget where things left off, but I'm happy to be part of that. So we can send that out once it's finalized. So just reach out to me with a draft and we can work on it and we can get that out. Timing,
you know, defer to you as to when you think it'd be best to go out, but I'm happy to work with you and Michael and I can work with you to get that letter out. It's like a good time of year. Yeah, yeah, it's perfect. And then, you know, give people time and then by the time Terrine opens, et cetera. So, okay. Okay. All right. Thanks, Tom. Have a great day, guys. Thank you. All right. Bye-bye. Thank you. So do you need me to go through the Excel spreadsheet and just double check that? Yeah, yeah, just kind of do a quick walkthrough and then just see, you know, is the abandoned car still there? Are some of the things still there? Are they gone? Are there any new things to add? Okay. Take a nice day and take a stroll. Yeah. Probably most of us say the change, but there may have been a few. Yeah. And then you and I can work on the letter. And again, you know, talking with Tom is it's a good newsletter. Yeah. You're reaching out to you. Everything good is going on, et cetera, et cetera. You know, the curbed side of engineering will be reaching out to you, but in the meantime, cleaning the corridor. So any idea when the curb cut would be happening? So Tom Holder, that's on here too. So Tom Holder is currently drafting the RFP. Okay. So that'll take some time to put it out. So it's probably going to be 27. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That they'd really get up to speed and start reaching out to them. Just kind of horrifying almost halfway through 2026. Sorry. No. Scary. Scary, scary, scary. All right. So joint finance committee, EDC recommendation. So I hit Brian, Ben Keveney again. Hopefully now town meeting's over. We can get the data that we're looking for for the 10-year growth curve.
But on meals tax, Jeff, perfect timing. Meals tax and the split rate data.
As we left it last, I think you and Robert were going to kind of coordinate and figure out, get some data on a page to be able to either present to select board or, you know, put out an infographic. Yeah, Robert sent some data. I haven't really, I haven't spoken to him outside this forum to actually put the sheet together. But I mean, if that's like, what exactly? So I think for each, so do we know like an infographic with this or? No, it's necessary, but you can have just a one pager. Yeah, okay. Because the questions are always, what are other towns doing? Right. Always, right. So on both of them, meals tax, you know, who has it, who doesn't, who actually puts it to work and how can you do it? I think that's the biggest question is how do they do an enterprise fund? Do they do something separate? But if you can just sort of do an initial dive into that and then think through, like, based on everything you're seeing, what would be your recommendation to the town? And we'll, we can kind of discuss it next time. Same thing with the split tax data, same thing. And, you know, ultimately if we have that one pager, then we can then go to the select board and start talking about it. Finance committee, things like that. But if we have all our homework, all their ducks in a row, then they can kind of read, digest, and we can have conversations with us. Is that a town meeting thing that needs to happen? Thank you. The split, the split tax rate? Yeah, I'm still trying to figure, like, people seem to be a little bit unclear about that. I'm trying to get to, like, the bottom, because if it doesn't have to go to town meeting, that's, like, pretty phenomenal. Like,
fruit. Is that, like I said, even compared to a number of surrounding towns, we would still be very competitive, even with a boost on that.
yeah. So if we can, I'm actually going to follow. I'm going to, I'm going to go and talk to them, let's see if I can get a little bit more. Yeah, someone may know. That would be a success. All right. So Jeff, you're at the helm of those. Yes. So town meeting recap. So 16, they had pulled the orchard lane. 25, I think there were 150 people there. I don't know. Ali, I think you were there. What was, what was, I heard a little bit from Karen, but it was.
Honestly, I told it would actually pass the moment I started, like, listening people, about the comments. Yep. So, I think that site was just the pink elephant in the room. So it's basically, it is the corner of Wayland, nobody sees. So let's just put the multifamily in there and not talk about it. I think that's just luck. Yeah. So it's kind of like a good mixture of, we're not NIMBY, but we don't want it right next to us. It sounded like there was, there was a little bit, and I saw the flyer in the, in the Wayland post. It was kind of a zero sum game. Let's put it there. So it doesn't end up at Orchard Lane. Apples and oranges, right? They're different things, but I think in people's mind, well, if we approve it there, then it won't. I, you know, this is what I do in my day job. So I've been to many town meetings. I, last night I was doing this in Manhattan community board one, like that people were saying, okay, if it is an ugly, like, I don't know, empire state-sized tower, let's put it to downtown. That's where it belongs because that's where the skyscrapers are. So I think our town had a belief that multifamily doesn't really belong, doesn't really fit. And if there is a place for it, the edge of the town with no control, it looks like it's part of Sudbury. So I'm glad Karen kind of like came up and finished the meeting because the discussion was continuing and I was, I already spoke. And then for the second round, I wanted to speak and literally say this, but it didn't happen. And I'm glad maybe it didn't happen. The only downside is, and maybe we reach out to them. I felt the planning board was unhappy about our comments. It was on the microphone. I think it's part of the public domain. Like there was something about ADC. I wanted to tell to the planning board that is UNI's first personal comment. And then people agree with what we told. So I think that's what they're under the approach anyway. Yeah. So the short is, I don't think anybody does like the idea of multifamily and it was a good site to put it. So the question now is, Bill Sterling is now on the planning board. And so part of it is, you know, the design regulations, which don't necessarily protect us, but it's the best we can do. Those should be updated. I agree. And I think, so one of the things that was, or the support of the project was, you know, the fire department is not going to allow 30 feet setback anyway, like three sides and all that. And I think that the question to be asked in there is like, we have zoning and we have planning standards for a reason. So we shouldn't be yielding. That's like leaving your kid out, like in the middle of highway median and say, well, drivers are driving really good in here. So nothing's going to happen. Right. So that was the only part I would have objected if I spoke the second time and said, it's really like in the planning process, we should stop something if we're not happy. And don't think that somebody is going to build something like this and there, but I see it as a missed opportunity because a good multifamily will attract more businesses. The core of what we're trying to do in here is not going to happen with our single families, right? Single family zoning, single family residential buildings are not going to support commercial activity. They never did. Like we learned that from, I don't know, 200 year of planning history in the U S. So once we have better multifamily buildings and hopefully maybe in the future, actually we have mixed use multifamily buildings that you might have like a little, you know, like a tiny grocery or like a little cute restaurant underneath like a five story or a four story building. Well, that's the, that's the way to go. Exactly. So the only downside is I see that as a missed opportunity, that area was actually a good area. And maybe if we had a good project, maybe it will still happen. Maybe the not for profit side would have some sort of mixed use activity in the future. Who knows? But if we want to attract businesses, I, I think we all agree that it's nice to have it, but the town center model doesn't work. Like when you put all the commercial into kind of like a big box retail kind of thing, that looks like a strip mall. You only go there when you need to buy something. You don't go there as a destination, right? So the destination is typically good planned, nice looking multi-activity place that has like homes on, but they also have like small commercial activity. But I think it's just too early for our town. That's the, that's the vibe I got from all the comments in the meeting. Early for the mixed use? Too early for, what do you mean? Multifamily housing. I don't think people like multifamily. Even the people who spoke about the project. That's right. But they voted for it because it's right on. I mean, the planning board's point was that they were like, if we want multifamily housing, this is the place for it. It's on the edge of Wayland. Like I would have never worded that way. I've never worded in a way that we want this and we want to build a nice thing out of it, but the way it was approached by the majority of the town was we need to do it because MBTA wants us to do it. So let's just put it to somewhere. That's not an eyesore to us. That was basically it. So the moment that comment was made, I was like, Oh, this is going to pass. I mean, it's just. Is there a path to getting multifamily at the town center? I mean, I know there's a whole, we were just talking about that. That would make what exactly what you're talking about a reality, a live work kind of play sort of. Exactly. You know, destination point, you know, exactly. I just think it's a handful of apartments there and you get the town homes and back, but that's different, you know? Right. I mean, if you think about the whole nature of moving to a multifamily in a suburban area is you either do it for a good school district. Right. You either do it because you need affordable housing and that's where it is available, or you do it because you don't want to deal with all the issues of owning a single family and it's expensive and you have amenities, right? So you can still own a car, but you choose not to use it over the weekends because for your basic needs, you could walk around. Well, unless there are any thought about doing it part of the overlay district, like in South Wayland down by, you know, the sort of the Donalans and stuff like that. They looked at it and they didn't. Because that's somewhere where the mixed use were, you know, that's like, they don't have the sewer. So there's no, you know, tying in MWRA, but that's the problem because it's so low and it's snake brook, I think is behind. Yeah. So, I mean, literally the Donalans Plaza has three different septics right now. And they're all 34. Even a little bit further up main street by across from the playground, like that little, you know, when you're coming from North Wayland, you're across from Hannah Williams, the playground. Yeah. Yeah. Like that, that little sort of, yeah, there's a church and then it's like a little dilapidated strip. I could see that being raised and being like a nice little, you know, I love those businesses. You don't love those. No, I mean, we could put, you know, put them back in, dress the place up a little bit. Oh, exactly. Yeah. And that's kind of like what we miss, I think, but it's too early for Wayland because like, first we need to absorb the multifamily and then I think we can talk about, well, how do we make multifamily more attractive? Did we not talk about that when we did the AltaOcto project? Yeah, in spades. People get it. You only had 150 people in the room and they had an agenda, right? It was, they were unhappy about something else and they took it out over here, you know, sort of part of it is, you know, when you only have 150 people in the room, you know, 13,000 people, then yeah. Yeah. You know, nobody was, nobody was still there. Right. If anything, I, I don't know if the Sherman bridge articles, did you stay on beyond or did you leave? I actually listened part of the Sherman bridge as well. They left. Four were pulled and two stayed. I had actually talked with Doug Stotts a little bit about it and he, that was just when he was pulling his. So yeah. And the other two, he's got to find a way to proxy vote. But it's just so ridiculous that 150 million people drive like, yeah. Yeah. You know, the entire town. And it was the second night. I mean, the budget was done. Everything meaningful was done, right? I mean, we've done 10 million other things, but I think it would have still passed. Like I said, the way you frame it, planning board choose to frame it that way. That's fine. It's their job. They're the planning board, but I would have framed it differently. I would have just said, this is an opportunity. We could do something nice and let's do something nice. So we not only becomes a destination for, you know, families with kids who can pay more than a million dollars to a property, but it's also a place for other people to come and live, right? They would want to live, not because it's, it's an available building, but it's a good destination actually. An alternative way of like living. And we need to take further steps because there's no like real town center, you know, it's not like Concord or, or, you know, other, you know, areas around that have like a focal meeting point. There's no, you know, you need more projects like that because there's no defined center, you know, West Concord, just West Concord do some of the multi use in that back area. We're like, they did, they did. There's governments and then there's like actual commercial business there. And there's a lot of density, but like good density there. Yeah. I mean, we need to make it attractive because we're an MBTA, but we're kind of like an adjacent. So when you build multifamily in settings like ours, like I said, either you provide transit, you provide good schools, and then you need to provide some sort of amenities, right? So we don't provide transit. I mean, if you live in Alto Oxbow, if you don't have a car, I mean, in theory, maybe you can walk to stop and shop. And there was no like sidewalks, I think right, right by the river. Right. So that's a tricky relationship. There's a Metro West bus. I don't think it might, I don't know how much it goes there, but yeah. Come by every six hours. So not a bus. But I never saw you. Have you? No, I've heard you. I drive down that road so much. Yes. Yeah. I've seen versions of it's at some point we can speak with maybe town center. It might be too far-fetched, but strip roads in California sometimes provides bus service. Even if it runs like once or twice a day, it helps with the elderly. It's just alternative. You know, a little shuttle bus can actually bring people in front of stop and shop a few times. I know the pain estates, they do have their own shuttle. They go, they bring them to the church and they go to their mother destiny. It runs empty. I think it's just about giving the message. Like if you need it, there is a service, right? I mean, that's the whole idea of having a federal government and a local government, right? Like services that you think you wouldn't ever need, but they're just there when you need it and you spend money for it without expecting anything. I think it's kind of like a caveat of a multifamily housing that you provide some basic services, either a town or businesses or landowner, like however we want to frame it. Right. So that's why I was actually super excited about that site. And again, I'm hoping somebody will build something nice. And some of the comments were like, nobody will build something like was shown in the zoning envelopes. But I think that was not the discussion. The discussion was, can that be built? And I think the answer to that was yes. Would somebody built it or not? Shouldn't be our discussion, right? We should just set up, but yeah, guidelines, better guidelines would be nice. Yeah. Definitely. So when we met with the planning board, I don't think anybody disagreed with a higher setback and a lower first floor. I mean, a lower front of the building and, you know, all these things conceptually, we were all on the same page, but it's just like, do you actually write in the zoning? So we get it at least into the design requirements, which can be passed by the planning board. It may not be perfect protection, but at least it would be solid. Right. Absolutely.
So now you've, now you've seen town government in Massachusetts. Is that your first town meeting, Massachusetts? In Wayland? Yes. Yep. Yeah. In Massachusetts. Yes. There you go. Yeah. So yeah, it's all about getting people in the room and. Yeah. And framing things. Yeah. Yeah. So, but yeah, right now they're still talking to the state about doing remote meeting. So before we were like the one town, we were like the outlier. Now I think that we're just starting to talk about it. So it sounds like the wheels are maybe starting to move, but it's, there's still. All right. So I'm running through the other ones quickly. So town center owners. So June 1st, I have an email into Jesse about shared streets. He owes me a plan back. Again, we want to try to get that stuff ordered, but we're already sitting at May. It's a general item.
And then, yeah. So June 1 sounds like this definitely on. So if you know, if people are interested, you know, definitely have them show up. I know a lot of people at river trail place are interested. So, you know, especially if they live there to be able to hear it and see the whole presentation. It's good. So definitely spread the word.
Playground. We talked about route 20 task force. We talked about route 20 sidewalk curb cut. So again, Tom holder is starting the RFP. So he's drafting. And then we're just like, just prompt to feedback. Cause it's very technical with the RFP is, but at the very point of view, but then be able to get that out. So that's next steps, which would be great. An existing corridor conditions cleanup. We talked about infographic number six, five, six, six, but if I, we still have the data. So we finally got the data. We did. Okay. Great. It's what exactly you're looking at. Yes. So I'm actually doing the calculations. I should be able to send you some very soon. So I just started putting things together last night. Now I know. So the town is plus or minus 10 acres and believe it or not. One and a quarter acre is just conservation. So. Oh, thousand. Yeah. I was like, 10 acres. It was just looking at the percentages. Yeah. So 10,000 acres is like more or less our town. And like I said, thousands. 10%. So 10% is conservation land anyway, directly. This is, and some of the conservation land is slightly wetland, but in our previous run with the public data set, I think we were able to comfortably say almost like 25% was like wetlands, lakes, and ponds. So I'll just have to keep subtracting things from each other. So I could give you just one number of what is actual land that we can use, can just use like whatever we want to do. Right. So yeah, I'll run you a table. So it may not be the exact table that was in the planning study, but I'll, whatever layer given to us, I'll generalize them and put them like in a little table. So we could talk about like what we want to include versus what we don't want to include as buildable land, but yeah, now we can have that. Finally. That was the last, I'm looking back at my email. Was that the last thing that we needed for the infographic? Yeah. That was what? Sorry. Was that the last thing that we needed for the infographic? I think so. I don't know if there were last comments when you weren't there, but we'll kind of dust it off and then input it. And then, yeah. So we should think of six beyond that. and sort of that part two of what the messaging is. So now that we have that data, but ideally, I'm really hoping to have the 10 year projection data by now, but that's also hanging out there. And I couldn't question about preference in there. So we have a few things that I think we should leave out as non-buildable or non-developable area and thinking to leave out like the private golf courses, for example, I mean, theoretically they could be built, but we should probably just include them since they're established. They're part of recreation. Right. I mean, it's sort of, we do that, you know, cause that's a good chunk of land, both between Wayne and country club and Sandy burr. So even if we just do kind of a little bit of a pie chart, but you can see what the golf courses are and like, are we have some farmland, not a lot, but you know, some of those little things, but then knowing what that total is, but people can see, I think they can see that breakdown. It'll help kind of bring it home for them as well. So I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll highlight like major uses, like also I think it's all cemetery. And then we have a private cemetery, which are actually quite large parcels as well. The Jewish cemetery too. Right. So that's the private one. So it is literally, I told it would just be a, it will be a tax parcel and it is a tax parcel, but it's also highlighted as a private cemetery. It has its own like layer and stuff. So apparently somebody worked on this before. Oh, interesting. Great. Well, once you have that, actually, I just looked, that's the last input. And so I can get it back over. Right. So the schools and stuff, I will also highlight. No, I know. Actually it's not like this long.
All right. Yeah. So from just a lay person's perspective, like what, what are they, what kind of makes sense in those, those cemeteries, law forces, farms. That's interesting. And Ali, one of the things we had talked about, can you delineate? Cause if you have wetlands, you have to be a hundred feet back or, you know, it's a river way. It's 200 or whatever it is. So you overlay that or is that. Yeah. Yeah. That's the reason I asked the layers from town, because apparently they also send me the buffer zones for some of the wetlands and some of the aquatic districts as well. So we even have polygons for those. We don't need to do. Okay. Interesting. So that's, that's also good. Not for everything. So I have to figure out some of the environmental definitions in there. So we might have a few emails back and forth. So apparently there are three types of wetlands in our inventory, the core, the local, and then the DEP. So I know the DEP, cause I work with data on daily, right. You know, they're the environmental protection. So that's under state jurisdiction. It means of like how do you protect them? What you can build right next to them. But I have to learn a little bit more about like, what do they mean by local and core wetlands? Cause it seems like we have buffer zones for the local wetlands. And we have buffer zones for the aquatic areas, which part of it is also wetlands. So they literally refers as aquatic habitat area. So I think those are the areas where like, for example, we have roads between two ponds, but you know, some volunteers actually do help animals cross overnight. Have you ever like heard you're saying? Yeah. So those areas are also called like buffer zones. So theoretically there's a road in there, but it can never be developed as something else. So I'll kind of like categorize all those. We can decide like that, what makes sense. And I think it would give people a better picture because even though some of the area is not part of directly conservation, it's part of something else that affects the conservation. So it gets very tricky or almost impossible to do something in there. But we have stuff that shows up. It's not on DEP. Isn't everything wetlands, DEP, all that delineation. Is it that our standards are stronger than DEPs? I think DEP looks at, there might be some legal definition of it, but DEP wetlands might have like a minimum size or some sort of activity. Like for example, the wetland right across, right next to my property is part of the state, but the little pond that actually links that one with the next pond is not, but that's a local wetland. And then there is a little bit of area in between everything, which is some sort of other hydro layer, which I looked at the explanation actually last night. And it was saying when it dries in the summertime, it doesn't completely qualify for a full wetland. And then it's something else. So now we have more data than we ever needed. So next step, Ali, you'll compile the data and send it. You can just start to the group, but then just not reply all. Yep. And then we can plug in. Yep. I'll get that back. Perfect. All right. We have a business association 2.0. I know that Karen wanted to speak with Jesse and I know that Jesse was getting his sea legs and wanting to get that going. Putting in his mind, he has a couple of people. So I think that will start coming together, but it's in process. And then the post-partum building department survey. Yes. I got your feedback. I can incorporate it and send it back out. If folks don't take another look, we're not able to start to send it yet. Right. It doesn't know. No. Okay. Yeah. So we just, we need to get one approved by us and then we can send to, I can send that data version. Did you guys read it before? No. Okay. So we'll recirculate it, send comments directly to needy. Okay. Just don't reply all. And then you can kind of collect them. So Jeff, if you can, I mean, you're going to be really helpful. So it's literally anybody who's been through the permitting process. That's like, what's our feedback. So I'll get that over this week.
Okay. Next month would be June 12th. Friday. Does that work for people?
What day of the week? Friday. We'll go back to Friday. Second Friday. Yep. That works for me. Yep. Works.
Good for you, Ali. Works. So with that, do I hear a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. Are you a second? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. 5-0. We are adjourned at 926. 6.
Okay. Just for Zoom at Tom. All right. So, so we are in person and remote. Jeff may attend remotely, but the rest of us are in person. Good morning, everybody. So David is traveling. Karen's out sick. Sounds like whatever is floating around. I might actually over a little bit. Katie Harris, Meaty and Ali. And then we have Robert Hummel as well. And hi, Tom. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. So we'll begin with public comment. Can we have public comment? Nope. Just attending. All right. So meeting minutes, I was out last week. I got back and for some reason the links wouldn't work. I don't know. It was weird because it was my browser. So I had the video, but not the, huh? It didn't work. I couldn't get the transcript off of the meeting. It was really weird. Like everything was there except for that. So I was kind of doing it with Seth. We figured out it was my browser. I don't know. It's very strange. So I have it now. So we'll be able to transition over. Do you work with, do you work with cloud or do you work with ChatGPT? I have all of them. All of them. Like I haven't used it. I'm going to try it for cloud. ChatGPT is just, it bangles the word, like all the formatting, which it should be easy enough. So I tried it on the Microsoft and you would think that with their own program, they would figure it out. But so I'm going to try it. Let me use the prompt one last time. And I just needed the transcripts and they didn't have them. So I'll do that. And then we'll transition over.
So Robert, town planner update. What's, what's news? We had a few articles on zoning paths. One was the MBTA, that was housekeeping. And then the appeal for the plan board was, was, was a postponance. Definitely. There was a lot of it. One has noted there's a lot of corrections that need to be done. And that's what we decided to come back that at a later date. Onward? What was that? The plan board appeal. Oh, okay. What about cycling and stuff? Yep. But we're moving along. We have a point where we're meeting with the council owner, small Jesse and AJ. I possibly made it that their partner, not sure if he's going to zoom in or not from Chicago.
But yeah, moving along. It's not just, that meeting's just for internal stuff? It's an introduction. They met with me multiple times. They met with Annette, but they have not met with the whole board. So Robin and Bill Sterling and Ira. They have not met with anybody else. Just me and the chair. Yep. Is that open to the public? Yeah. It'd be at 8.30. It was more of an introduction. Like, here's who we are. Here's what, here's our vision. How do we work together to either mend the zoning or to mend the master special permit to achieve what we want to do? We'll be able to kind of hear suggestions, but we wanted to work together, which is kind of the opposite of what we had with the previous owner, where they really didn't care or they just did what they want to do. But these owners actually want to do stuff. And I, I, you drive through them and you see them, they're there at the plaza, they're walking around, looking at stuff. And so they have a vision of what they want to do. And there's some key spots that, that the, in the town center with the, near the green space, there's two big, vacant spaces right now that once you imagine those being a restaurant or something, it's going to really help that, that's that piece of the area. Any big applications before the planning board, you stated? Site plan, site plan, and site plan. Supplied stuff? Yeah, I mean, all of the site plans are now. All right. Two site plans can be in. So speaking of town center, Tom, they're coming before the select board for the big presentation, June 1st. Is that the? Yes, that's my understanding. Okay. So that's sort of the meeting. If people are interested, they want to hear about it, that's when they should show up. Is it, I presume it's going to be both Zoom and in person? Yes. Most of our meetings are all hybrid. Robert, my vague memory is that the planning board would be present for that. Is that right? Or is that not your understanding? I don't think we've been invited. I've not been invited personally for the plan. I don't think the plan board has been invited. Unless Robert and have been invited. I'm not aware. I'll look into that. Yeah. Just, just, all you're thinking is just let us know. If you want us to be there, just let us know. So, hey, we're going to meet with the 10 lines and orders. If the plan board can attend, please attend. Do you need to do for posting if you have to post? Just, just let us know so we can know. Okay. If we're not invited, we're not, the plan board is not going to show up. It's just, that's not our meeting. Understood. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be good for everybody to hear all the same thing. Oh, and also, Dugano has got their safe plan for their outdoor dining. So. Well, they did it. Good. So they're done.
Which time they're going to go today, and that's possible. Give us a book, a page number, and then put it out to the lady today. So they are just on the edge. Like, they'd be like, they've just been on the edge for the last two weeks. Like, we've been to have a meeting. Unfortunately, you can be ready for a time meeting where we have so much more to get stuff done. And priorities, we just, to write a decision for outdoor dining, and, you know, a week or two, it's like, it's fine. I'll get out. Does anyone know how they're doing? What else? Does anyone know how they're doing after opening? They seem like they're doing good. I mean, I've been a few times. Yeah, we've been a bunch of times. Yes. Okay. I mean, it's going to take some time, but, like, it's on Route 20. So if you don't, you know, you go by a few times, you're going to eventually come back, eventually. Like, you drive by it, eventually you're going to back. It seemed like a good, people in construction are going there. I see them going, walking over it, from doing the buildings and taking a break. They don't have copies. See, any more convenient. They like it too, so they're excited. Yeah. And they're moving along pretty fast, too. They're almost done in that front building, in the terrain. Are they not blowing a hole through the middle of the terrain building anymore? I don't know. There are holes in that building, but they're moving super fast. They need to get done by August first. Like, late August. Well, they have a wedding ready to go. Because if they were demoing out that middle piece, it seemed like they would have done it by now. So maybe they're not. I don't know, but that'd be exciting. I don't want to derail us for too long. But have you guys been listening to the Marble Pit thing that's been bubbling up about the... I know about it. Yeah. Yeah. So I was just curious if the state, because the state needs more housing, if that pressure could be applied to the old break, like where the housing would be in town center to get the old break. That's what we try to do. Yeah. We really try to have meetings and really push for the previous owners to really, to advocate and go to the governor, go to Maura Healey, go to Drissel, and really say, hey, we want to do something. We just can't get past this lately on an issue. No, we've tried. And they did try to. I wonder if the timing, it feels like it's bubbling up again. I think it's one of the priorities. They know about it. They probably have information about what happened in the past. I think they have the priority first is to try to fill some new spots first, and then maybe go back to that later. Hopefully, they have a long-term vision of what they want to do. We've not been really discussing, but they are aware. So they have other higher priorities. Yeah, the dark market and try to fill some vacancies they have and really try to create a place and then make that case of, look, we have all this. We have not, even when we have, you know, five or seven vacancies they have, then go through the phase two, then go to do something about housing. But they have a lot of low-hanging fruit, so they want to get the signage. Do they need our help to put pressure on the state? Not specifically us. Oh. Not right now. I think it's just kind of, I think they want to focus on some smaller things and then a long-term reason to try to potentially do some housing. But that's not the way it makes it work for them, if they can financially make it work. I know, Tom, you can speak to it maybe a little bit. You know that Michael has reached out. I mean, there's been some questioning. So ultimately, talking with Jesse before, clearly they have a lot on their plate right now. But it's going to take some time to deal with Raytheon. So it's like, that's something we could be doing in the town in the background. I know some conversations have happened, but Tom, do you perceive they're completely dead at this point, or are they ongoing, or?
So the dynamic is this. Raytheon got bought, I think, by Texas Space Company, of which I should know about but forget. So their corporate structure changed, new general counsel, and I think if Raytheon was locally based, I think we would have had a different outcome. Okay, so that's the personal dynamic. We have reached out to them multiple times. We have involved the lieutenant governor in discussions on this. But then up to date, they're not really willing to budge. We are in touch with them relative to exploring a possible playground at the town green. We'll see what comes of that. But I do think future conversations are worth it. I think they will occur. What the outcome will be unclear. Speaking of the Marblehead thing, it was blisteringly clear that Marblehead just did paper zoning, right, which is kind of what we did at Mainstone. Have you guys heard anything on the state level of any? Because clearly, like, it was pretty funny. Well, he called them out, like, being very honest, and called out. Yeah. When national was local and then completely national, even, like, the local news, I just viewed and they walked around him and just, like, this is a rare guy. He just completely clueless and, like, he's, like, huh, this is not what we're going to be doing. So it's pretty funny. Imagine it's only a point of a matter of time because we said that before. I mean, we've done it, right? I think they're still focused on these small communities. Three of them pulled in, and then there's a few down in the South Shore, and then Wyrmptons, Tewsbury, and there's another one, too, up there. I think they're trying to focus on those. They achieved something out. Because if there's, like, eight or nine, I'm not still holding out. Some are much louder than the other ones, but there's a set of three in the North Shore, and there's a set of three that are really close, and you kind of wonder if they're kind of working together a little bit. Like, if you, I'm not going to do it, so if you don't do it, we can all bond together. But, I mean, I don't know. And then some communities said, we'll just do it, we'll achieve, and separate, we'll just burn paper, and we took a box.
But we did kind of a hybrid. We said we wanted to see something grow up here, but we also, we know it's really hard to meet the zoning, so we have to zone some 50 acres somewhere. So, you know, that's how it came up with. I imagine the state won't use it, right? As much as it finally resonated with people, so I think it's just enough time before they clue into that. So, you know, particularly because Marblehead's plan will be coming in front of them, and they'll have to approve it, right? Because it fits the model. But clearly, you know, clearly. Yeah, so you can go to the website, the MBTA, and you can see what's being built. You can see what community is actually building housing, brain tree, Lexington, and you can see all the number of units that have been developing it. So it's very interesting, because you can kind of see a trend. I kind of wish they put it into, like, a JS map, and you can kind of see it. That would be kind of cool, just to kind of visualize it and see, like, where it actually is being built. Not just, like, an Excel file, like, not just, like, a data of showing information, but, like, a visual map. But, like, like, here, oh, it's all here. You can see it's Lexington, new, and, like, boys, they really kind of spread out a little bit. But, so, yeah, it's interesting. Right. Tom, before we go forward, did you, I don't know how much time you have, did you want to have any updates for us as it pertains to select board goings-on?
Particularly, nothing really stands out. I am curious to see the planning boards work on Route 20 and further discussions along those lines and potential zoning that they may be considering for Route 20. I know this is a multi-year effort, or put it another way, an effort that won't happen overnight. Other than that, nothing really, from a select board perspective, jumps out at this stage of the game. We're working on the 2-12 RFP. Do you know what the status of when that's going to be released? Yeah, we're working on the RFP for 2-12. I think the hope is for it to be released in June.
Hopefully the latest July.
And for both of you, so, Tom, I remember that the next step on the Route 20 stuff was the planning board was going to give a list to the select board of things they wanted to do in zoning. Has that been delivered, or is that not the next step? Not that I've heard of. Maybe it has to the chair, but not that I've heard of. So it hasn't been delivered yet.
That works.
Let's see. Tom, as with the playground amenities of the town brain, remind me, since I was vacation brain. So as it was left with the select board, and knowing that Graffito is willing to have its designer work on it, what are next steps?
I've reached out to the LSP, the town center, who is in touch with Raytheon, to learn their position on the idea of a playground at the town green. In addition, Graffito is offered to have one of their landscape design persons look at it and come up with some ideas. So I think that's where we're at. I think we also said that the EDC could reach out to the health department. We could kind of, or like... I think that's the LSP. That's the environmental stuff. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Tom is figuring out that, because it really does come down to Raytheon at the end of the day. And what it, you know, if we can have one, and then ultimately it probably has a liner, there are certain criteria and stuff like that. But so that should be covered. And then going from there with the designer, had you guys select what you guys left at that rec would do it? Do you need us to help rec department, or who would be coordinating with Graffito in your mind? I'm not sure we're really there yet.
Recreation makes sense. But I think we just want to make sure that we know it can get done. And then once that's established, then we can continue to discuss the idea. Okay. What's the timeline, Tom, as far as like... I'm sure it's not the easiest thing with Raytheon, but any idea that the timeline when you would hear back? Well, I was expecting to hear back last week. And so I'll follow up this week and hopefully learn something. So soon. Tom, do you know, is the playground specifically not allowed? Or is it just, could the LSP provide guidance of what kind of, you know, liner that we would have to provide? It generally has to do with the agreements in place when that property, you know, became, you know, a town center and the rights of Raytheon to okay projects at that site, right? Due to the environmental, due to the environmental history. Practically speaking, it would surprise me that Raytheon would have a problem with, with the playground, especially with the technology today.
But that's, that's the, it's a contractual obligation or contractual right that Raytheon has to green light or red light projects at the town center, including what you mentioned earlier, the housing. Right. So hopefully we'll hear and then be able to get that kicked off. I think it'll be helpful to hear the June 1st presentation with the overall from Grafito. And maybe, you know, by that time, we'll be able to segue into something with the playground. Who's the LSP? License site professional. So whenever you have an environmental condition, as an owner, you have to hire an LSP, but technically the LSP is representative of the state. So they're sort of your local professional who will advise you on all the environmental rules and regs. And they're the ones who have to sign off on your work and the paperwork. So there are LSP coordinating with their LSP. And they're, you know, they need to kind of come to, come to agreement on that. By way of background, for those who don't know, for example, I think this history would be helpful. So where the COACC is now, that was a building that was abandoned. All right. It was in the middle of construction. And when I went in there, what, four years ago, to look at that building, there was a Sprite bottle half full. And there were plans this thick on a table. They had started the construction, but it was just abandoned. And the reason it was abandoned was because of environmental concerns. And it was going to be a daycare center for kids. And that wasn't going to happen because of the nature of the environmental issues. So it stayed empty for many, many years. But we worked through that and we have that beautiful building that we have today. So that may help some of you appreciate the dynamic that's going on here. So Raytheon in the past signed off on all this zoning in place for what's there. So they signed off way back when. Now they're saying, well, any changes still have to go through us. And that's sort of in perpetuity, which is forever. Pretty much. Yeah. Because ultimately, the environmental liability goes back to them. Which is why, you know, their new attorneys are like, well, why would we do anything? Why would we open ourselves up? Even if it really, you know, housing happens on site like this all the time. But they're like, we have zero liability or we could have some, you know, like a fractional where it's just, you know, lawyers can go for the zero. So it's getting them comfortable that something could actually happen there. And to Tom's point, getting through to the right people because it really will be more political than it because they have no financial benefit. Didn't Raytheon own buildings in other towns? Like what's happening with those sites? So they've abandoned since, obviously. Like what? Yeah. So like the big one in Sudbury where the Whole Foods is. Yeah. Like that was redeveloped. And a lot of that happened while Raytheon, again, Raytheon being a local company, then they were more attuned to it and repurposing some of these sites. Now they're owned by, you know, probably a company down in Texas and, you know, so that's the question, you know, can they sort of be politically influenced or, you know, incentive that this is a good thing to do and might take some time. So, okay. Tom, before we lose you, so Article 16, you guys pulled that, right? You pulled the article about Orchard Lane, but you guys have set up. Can you just update where you are in that? Prior to town meeting, the select board voted to create a committee to oversee or be involved in the work of the professionals if Article 16 passed. But since Article 16 didn't pass, that as it's written, that committee will not be created, right? So the select board may discuss it further and still may want to create some sort of a committee, but it seems to me the next step is for the school committee to do its due diligence on where they may want to construct new schools if that's where the recommendation is going to go. And if it doesn't involve that property, then they'll consider giving up, voicing their support of giving up jurisdiction over that property or they will not. Or they'll just want to keep it. So that's kind of where things stand. Okay. Kind of what I was hearing from a couple of people, they were just sort of, you know, the article sort of came out of nowhere and they felt like there wasn't thought before sending it to a consultant. So the thought is, you know, do you still have the committee and do some of the forward thinking and inclusivity, you know, bringing people to the table and thinking through some of these things before something lands again? Like just to get people's input and thoughts and et cetera, just to be able to inform the school committee in their discussions as well. You know, what's the highest and best use for some of these parcels? Yeah, we might, but there's no money now to do that work, right? But that doesn't mean you can't form a committee and chat about ideas, I suppose. but, you know, we need to be respectful of the school committee's jurisdiction on the property and it seems to me if we did such a committee they would need to be in support of it and certainly part of it. And part of it, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Both Alina thought, you know, with the 200,000 it's such a high number. It's like, it's a clean site. There's not a lot of, there's not even a ton of wetlands. It's pretty upland. It's pretty easy as a site. So it could be something much less. It could be, you know, 50 grand and it's really like for two, I'm sorry, the South landfill. What did you guys spend for that sort of planning exercise? Do you remember? it was 30 maybe? Oh, no, no, no. Tom Holder would know, but it was, I think it was upwards of at least $100,000 with all the, all the consultants we hired and, and the environmental review and the environmental. Yeah. Yeah. The, the borehole, you know, the, the, yeah. Yeah. The actual site planning guy though. I forget his name. But he was probably, he was from the collaborative. Yeah. Yeah. And what was he, he was at least 20, 20 to 30,000, I think. Yeah. Yeah. That's typically what you see just to kind of, you know, it took a lot, you know, clearly building on top of a cap landfill has its challenges. But this one would be pretty clean and just kind of getting sort of that, that thought process. What's interesting now is that I'm about to try out an AI program. I forget. It's not Bromit. It's, I forget what, but it's basically, it's a real estate AI and you can literally take a site and just plug it in and it gives you all kinds of different options. So have you tried at LA or no? No. Yeah. It has heard and so similar things in action, but then we tried. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it can literally look at whether you're doing, you know, townhomes or single family homes or, you know, you could just got to feed it all kinds of inputs and see, you'd have in minutes what you might otherwise spend, you know, 30 grand with a consultant. But we'll let you know. Hey, Jeff. So Jeff has joined at 857. So anything else, Becky, otherwise I'm going to hit the road, I think that's it. You were asking about the existing corridor cleanup. And so Katie, if next up, you were going to look at the whole kind of that chart that we had, I don't know if you had a chance, but Tom was asking when we can put together, excuse me, sort of the letter to go out to the businesses. Oh, great. So you and I can work on that. So Tom, you were talking with Michael about that, but not necessarily the building inspector. What conversation have you had about the Route 20 cleanup letters to the property owners? No, I think, I forget where things left off, but I'm happy to be part of that. So we can send that out once it's finalized. So just reach out to me with a draft and we can work on it and we can get that out. Timing,
you know, defer to you as to when you think it'd be best to go out, but I'm happy to work with you and Michael and I can work with you to get that letter out. It's like a good time of year. Yeah, yeah, it's perfect. And then, you know, give people time and then by the time Terrine opens, et cetera. So, okay. Okay. All right. Thanks, Tom. Have a great day, guys. Thank you. All right. Bye-bye. Thank you. So do you need me to go through the Excel spreadsheet and just double check that? Yeah, yeah, just kind of do a quick walkthrough and then just see, you know, is the abandoned car still there? Are some of the things still there? Are they gone? Are there any new things to add? Okay. Take a nice day and take a stroll. Yeah. Probably most of us say the change, but there may have been a few. Yeah. And then you and I can work on the letter. And again, you know, talking with Tom is it's a good newsletter. Yeah. You're reaching out to you. Everything good is going on, et cetera, et cetera. You know, the curbed side of engineering will be reaching out to you, but in the meantime, cleaning the corridor. So any idea when the curb cut would be happening? So Tom Holder, that's on here too. So Tom Holder is currently drafting the RFP. Okay. So that'll take some time to put it out. So it's probably going to be 27. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That they'd really get up to speed and start reaching out to them. Just kind of horrifying almost halfway through 2026. Sorry. No. Scary. Scary, scary, scary. All right. So joint finance committee, EDC recommendation. So I hit Brian, Ben Keveney again. Hopefully now town meeting's over. We can get the data that we're looking for for the 10-year growth curve.
But on meals tax, Jeff, perfect timing. Meals tax and the split rate data.
As we left it last, I think you and Robert were going to kind of coordinate and figure out, get some data on a page to be able to either present to select board or, you know, put out an infographic. Yeah, Robert sent some data. I haven't really, I haven't spoken to him outside this forum to actually put the sheet together. But I mean, if that's like, what exactly? So I think for each, so do we know like an infographic with this or? No, it's necessary, but you can have just a one pager. Yeah, okay. Because the questions are always, what are other towns doing? Right. Always, right. So on both of them, meals tax, you know, who has it, who doesn't, who actually puts it to work and how can you do it? I think that's the biggest question is how do they do an enterprise fund? Do they do something separate? But if you can just sort of do an initial dive into that and then think through, like, based on everything you're seeing, what would be your recommendation to the town? And we'll, we can kind of discuss it next time. Same thing with the split tax data, same thing. And, you know, ultimately if we have that one pager, then we can then go to the select board and start talking about it. Finance committee, things like that. But if we have all our homework, all their ducks in a row, then they can kind of read, digest, and we can have conversations with us. Is that a town meeting thing that needs to happen? Thank you. The split, the split tax rate? Yeah, I'm still trying to figure, like, people seem to be a little bit unclear about that. I'm trying to get to, like, the bottom, because if it doesn't have to go to town meeting, that's, like, pretty phenomenal. Like,
fruit. Is that, like I said, even compared to a number of surrounding towns, we would still be very competitive, even with a boost on that.
yeah. So if we can, I'm actually going to follow. I'm going to, I'm going to go and talk to them, let's see if I can get a little bit more. Yeah, someone may know. That would be a success. All right. So Jeff, you're at the helm of those. Yes. So town meeting recap. So 16, they had pulled the orchard lane. 25, I think there were 150 people there. I don't know. Ali, I think you were there. What was, what was, I heard a little bit from Karen, but it was.
Honestly, I told it would actually pass the moment I started, like, listening people, about the comments. Yep. So, I think that site was just the pink elephant in the room. So it's basically, it is the corner of Wayland, nobody sees. So let's just put the multifamily in there and not talk about it. I think that's just luck. Yeah. So it's kind of like a good mixture of, we're not NIMBY, but we don't want it right next to us. It sounded like there was, there was a little bit, and I saw the flyer in the, in the Wayland post. It was kind of a zero sum game. Let's put it there. So it doesn't end up at Orchard Lane. Apples and oranges, right? They're different things, but I think in people's mind, well, if we approve it there, then it won't. I, you know, this is what I do in my day job. So I've been to many town meetings. I, last night I was doing this in Manhattan community board one, like that people were saying, okay, if it is an ugly, like, I don't know, empire state-sized tower, let's put it to downtown. That's where it belongs because that's where the skyscrapers are. So I think our town had a belief that multifamily doesn't really belong, doesn't really fit. And if there is a place for it, the edge of the town with no control, it looks like it's part of Sudbury. So I'm glad Karen kind of like came up and finished the meeting because the discussion was continuing and I was, I already spoke. And then for the second round, I wanted to speak and literally say this, but it didn't happen. And I'm glad maybe it didn't happen. The only downside is, and maybe we reach out to them. I felt the planning board was unhappy about our comments. It was on the microphone. I think it's part of the public domain. Like there was something about ADC. I wanted to tell to the planning board that is UNI's first personal comment. And then people agree with what we told. So I think that's what they're under the approach anyway. Yeah. So the short is, I don't think anybody does like the idea of multifamily and it was a good site to put it. So the question now is, Bill Sterling is now on the planning board. And so part of it is, you know, the design regulations, which don't necessarily protect us, but it's the best we can do. Those should be updated. I agree. And I think, so one of the things that was, or the support of the project was, you know, the fire department is not going to allow 30 feet setback anyway, like three sides and all that. And I think that the question to be asked in there is like, we have zoning and we have planning standards for a reason. So we shouldn't be yielding. That's like leaving your kid out, like in the middle of highway median and say, well, drivers are driving really good in here. So nothing's going to happen. Right. So that was the only part I would have objected if I spoke the second time and said, it's really like in the planning process, we should stop something if we're not happy. And don't think that somebody is going to build something like this and there, but I see it as a missed opportunity because a good multifamily will attract more businesses. The core of what we're trying to do in here is not going to happen with our single families, right? Single family zoning, single family residential buildings are not going to support commercial activity. They never did. Like we learned that from, I don't know, 200 year of planning history in the U S. So once we have better multifamily buildings and hopefully maybe in the future, actually we have mixed use multifamily buildings that you might have like a little, you know, like a tiny grocery or like a little cute restaurant underneath like a five story or a four story building. Well, that's the, that's the way to go. Exactly. So the only downside is I see that as a missed opportunity, that area was actually a good area. And maybe if we had a good project, maybe it will still happen. Maybe the not for profit side would have some sort of mixed use activity in the future. Who knows? But if we want to attract businesses, I, I think we all agree that it's nice to have it, but the town center model doesn't work. Like when you put all the commercial into kind of like a big box retail kind of thing, that looks like a strip mall. You only go there when you need to buy something. You don't go there as a destination, right? So the destination is typically good planned, nice looking multi-activity place that has like homes on, but they also have like small commercial activity. But I think it's just too early for our town. That's the, that's the vibe I got from all the comments in the meeting. Early for the mixed use? Too early for, what do you mean? Multifamily housing. I don't think people like multifamily. Even the people who spoke about the project. That's right. But they voted for it because it's right on. I mean, the planning board's point was that they were like, if we want multifamily housing, this is the place for it. It's on the edge of Wayland. Like I would have never worded that way. I've never worded in a way that we want this and we want to build a nice thing out of it, but the way it was approached by the majority of the town was we need to do it because MBTA wants us to do it. So let's just put it to somewhere. That's not an eyesore to us. That was basically it. So the moment that comment was made, I was like, Oh, this is going to pass. I mean, it's just. Is there a path to getting multifamily at the town center? I mean, I know there's a whole, we were just talking about that. That would make what exactly what you're talking about a reality, a live work kind of play sort of. Exactly. You know, destination point, you know, exactly. I just think it's a handful of apartments there and you get the town homes and back, but that's different, you know? Right. I mean, if you think about the whole nature of moving to a multifamily in a suburban area is you either do it for a good school district. Right. You either do it because you need affordable housing and that's where it is available, or you do it because you don't want to deal with all the issues of owning a single family and it's expensive and you have amenities, right? So you can still own a car, but you choose not to use it over the weekends because for your basic needs, you could walk around. Well, unless there are any thought about doing it part of the overlay district, like in South Wayland down by, you know, the sort of the Donalans and stuff like that. They looked at it and they didn't. Because that's somewhere where the mixed use were, you know, that's like, they don't have the sewer. So there's no, you know, tying in MWRA, but that's the problem because it's so low and it's snake brook, I think is behind. Yeah. So, I mean, literally the Donalans Plaza has three different septics right now. And they're all 34. Even a little bit further up main street by across from the playground, like that little, you know, when you're coming from North Wayland, you're across from Hannah Williams, the playground. Yeah. Yeah. Like that, that little sort of, yeah, there's a church and then it's like a little dilapidated strip. I could see that being raised and being like a nice little, you know, I love those businesses. You don't love those. No, I mean, we could put, you know, put them back in, dress the place up a little bit. Oh, exactly. Yeah. And that's kind of like what we miss, I think, but it's too early for Wayland because like, first we need to absorb the multifamily and then I think we can talk about, well, how do we make multifamily more attractive? Did we not talk about that when we did the AltaOcto project? Yeah, in spades. People get it. You only had 150 people in the room and they had an agenda, right? It was, they were unhappy about something else and they took it out over here, you know, sort of part of it is, you know, when you only have 150 people in the room, you know, 13,000 people, then yeah. Yeah. You know, nobody was, nobody was still there. Right. If anything, I, I don't know if the Sherman bridge articles, did you stay on beyond or did you leave? I actually listened part of the Sherman bridge as well. They left. Four were pulled and two stayed. I had actually talked with Doug Stotts a little bit about it and he, that was just when he was pulling his. So yeah. And the other two, he's got to find a way to proxy vote. But it's just so ridiculous that 150 million people drive like, yeah. Yeah. You know, the entire town. And it was the second night. I mean, the budget was done. Everything meaningful was done, right? I mean, we've done 10 million other things, but I think it would have still passed. Like I said, the way you frame it, planning board choose to frame it that way. That's fine. It's their job. They're the planning board, but I would have framed it differently. I would have just said, this is an opportunity. We could do something nice and let's do something nice. So we not only becomes a destination for, you know, families with kids who can pay more than a million dollars to a property, but it's also a place for other people to come and live, right? They would want to live, not because it's, it's an available building, but it's a good destination actually. An alternative way of like living. And we need to take further steps because there's no like real town center, you know, it's not like Concord or, or, you know, other, you know, areas around that have like a focal meeting point. There's no, you know, you need more projects like that because there's no defined center, you know, West Concord, just West Concord do some of the multi use in that back area. We're like, they did, they did. There's governments and then there's like actual commercial business there. And there's a lot of density, but like good density there. Yeah. I mean, we need to make it attractive because we're an MBTA, but we're kind of like an adjacent. So when you build multifamily in settings like ours, like I said, either you provide transit, you provide good schools, and then you need to provide some sort of amenities, right? So we don't provide transit. I mean, if you live in Alto Oxbow, if you don't have a car, I mean, in theory, maybe you can walk to stop and shop. And there was no like sidewalks, I think right, right by the river. Right. So that's a tricky relationship. There's a Metro West bus. I don't think it might, I don't know how much it goes there, but yeah. Come by every six hours. So not a bus. But I never saw you. Have you? No, I've heard you. I drive down that road so much. Yes. Yeah. I've seen versions of it's at some point we can speak with maybe town center. It might be too far-fetched, but strip roads in California sometimes provides bus service. Even if it runs like once or twice a day, it helps with the elderly. It's just alternative. You know, a little shuttle bus can actually bring people in front of stop and shop a few times. I know the pain estates, they do have their own shuttle. They go, they bring them to the church and they go to their mother destiny. It runs empty. I think it's just about giving the message. Like if you need it, there is a service, right? I mean, that's the whole idea of having a federal government and a local government, right? Like services that you think you wouldn't ever need, but they're just there when you need it and you spend money for it without expecting anything. I think it's kind of like a caveat of a multifamily housing that you provide some basic services, either a town or businesses or landowner, like however we want to frame it. Right. So that's why I was actually super excited about that site. And again, I'm hoping somebody will build something nice. And some of the comments were like, nobody will build something like was shown in the zoning envelopes. But I think that was not the discussion. The discussion was, can that be built? And I think the answer to that was yes. Would somebody built it or not? Shouldn't be our discussion, right? We should just set up, but yeah, guidelines, better guidelines would be nice. Yeah. Definitely. So when we met with the planning board, I don't think anybody disagreed with a higher setback and a lower first floor. I mean, a lower front of the building and, you know, all these things conceptually, we were all on the same page, but it's just like, do you actually write in the zoning? So we get it at least into the design requirements, which can be passed by the planning board. It may not be perfect protection, but at least it would be solid. Right. Absolutely.
So now you've, now you've seen town government in Massachusetts. Is that your first town meeting, Massachusetts? In Wayland? Yes. Yep. Yeah. In Massachusetts. Yes. There you go. Yeah. So yeah, it's all about getting people in the room and. Yeah. And framing things. Yeah. Yeah. So, but yeah, right now they're still talking to the state about doing remote meeting. So before we were like the one town, we were like the outlier. Now I think that we're just starting to talk about it. So it sounds like the wheels are maybe starting to move, but it's, there's still. All right. So I'm running through the other ones quickly. So town center owners. So June 1st, I have an email into Jesse about shared streets. He owes me a plan back. Again, we want to try to get that stuff ordered, but we're already sitting at May. It's a general item.
And then, yeah. So June 1 sounds like this definitely on. So if you know, if people are interested, you know, definitely have them show up. I know a lot of people at river trail place are interested. So, you know, especially if they live there to be able to hear it and see the whole presentation. It's good. So definitely spread the word.
Playground. We talked about route 20 task force. We talked about route 20 sidewalk curb cut. So again, Tom holder is starting the RFP. So he's drafting. And then we're just like, just prompt to feedback. Cause it's very technical with the RFP is, but at the very point of view, but then be able to get that out. So that's next steps, which would be great. An existing corridor conditions cleanup. We talked about infographic number six, five, six, six, but if I, we still have the data. So we finally got the data. We did. Okay. Great. It's what exactly you're looking at. Yes. So I'm actually doing the calculations. I should be able to send you some very soon. So I just started putting things together last night. Now I know. So the town is plus or minus 10 acres and believe it or not. One and a quarter acre is just conservation. So. Oh, thousand. Yeah. I was like, 10 acres. It was just looking at the percentages. Yeah. So 10,000 acres is like more or less our town. And like I said, thousands. 10%. So 10% is conservation land anyway, directly. This is, and some of the conservation land is slightly wetland, but in our previous run with the public data set, I think we were able to comfortably say almost like 25% was like wetlands, lakes, and ponds. So I'll just have to keep subtracting things from each other. So I could give you just one number of what is actual land that we can use, can just use like whatever we want to do. Right. So yeah, I'll run you a table. So it may not be the exact table that was in the planning study, but I'll, whatever layer given to us, I'll generalize them and put them like in a little table. So we could talk about like what we want to include versus what we don't want to include as buildable land, but yeah, now we can have that. Finally. That was the last, I'm looking back at my email. Was that the last thing that we needed for the infographic? Yeah. That was what? Sorry. Was that the last thing that we needed for the infographic? I think so. I don't know if there were last comments when you weren't there, but we'll kind of dust it off and then input it. And then, yeah. So we should think of six beyond that. and sort of that part two of what the messaging is. So now that we have that data, but ideally, I'm really hoping to have the 10 year projection data by now, but that's also hanging out there. And I couldn't question about preference in there. So we have a few things that I think we should leave out as non-buildable or non-developable area and thinking to leave out like the private golf courses, for example, I mean, theoretically they could be built, but we should probably just include them since they're established. They're part of recreation. Right. I mean, it's sort of, we do that, you know, cause that's a good chunk of land, both between Wayne and country club and Sandy burr. So even if we just do kind of a little bit of a pie chart, but you can see what the golf courses are and like, are we have some farmland, not a lot, but you know, some of those little things, but then knowing what that total is, but people can see, I think they can see that breakdown. It'll help kind of bring it home for them as well. So I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll highlight like major uses, like also I think it's all cemetery. And then we have a private cemetery, which are actually quite large parcels as well. The Jewish cemetery too. Right. So that's the private one. So it is literally, I told it would just be a, it will be a tax parcel and it is a tax parcel, but it's also highlighted as a private cemetery. It has its own like layer and stuff. So apparently somebody worked on this before. Oh, interesting. Great. Well, once you have that, actually, I just looked, that's the last input. And so I can get it back over. Right. So the schools and stuff, I will also highlight. No, I know. Actually it's not like this long.
All right. Yeah. So from just a lay person's perspective, like what, what are they, what kind of makes sense in those, those cemeteries, law forces, farms. That's interesting. And Ali, one of the things we had talked about, can you delineate? Cause if you have wetlands, you have to be a hundred feet back or, you know, it's a river way. It's 200 or whatever it is. So you overlay that or is that. Yeah. Yeah. That's the reason I asked the layers from town, because apparently they also send me the buffer zones for some of the wetlands and some of the aquatic districts as well. So we even have polygons for those. We don't need to do. Okay. Interesting. So that's, that's also good. Not for everything. So I have to figure out some of the environmental definitions in there. So we might have a few emails back and forth. So apparently there are three types of wetlands in our inventory, the core, the local, and then the DEP. So I know the DEP, cause I work with data on daily, right. You know, they're the environmental protection. So that's under state jurisdiction. It means of like how do you protect them? What you can build right next to them. But I have to learn a little bit more about like, what do they mean by local and core wetlands? Cause it seems like we have buffer zones for the local wetlands. And we have buffer zones for the aquatic areas, which part of it is also wetlands. So they literally refers as aquatic habitat area. So I think those are the areas where like, for example, we have roads between two ponds, but you know, some volunteers actually do help animals cross overnight. Have you ever like heard you're saying? Yeah. So those areas are also called like buffer zones. So theoretically there's a road in there, but it can never be developed as something else. So I'll kind of like categorize all those. We can decide like that, what makes sense. And I think it would give people a better picture because even though some of the area is not part of directly conservation, it's part of something else that affects the conservation. So it gets very tricky or almost impossible to do something in there. But we have stuff that shows up. It's not on DEP. Isn't everything wetlands, DEP, all that delineation. Is it that our standards are stronger than DEPs? I think DEP looks at, there might be some legal definition of it, but DEP wetlands might have like a minimum size or some sort of activity. Like for example, the wetland right across, right next to my property is part of the state, but the little pond that actually links that one with the next pond is not, but that's a local wetland. And then there is a little bit of area in between everything, which is some sort of other hydro layer, which I looked at the explanation actually last night. And it was saying when it dries in the summertime, it doesn't completely qualify for a full wetland. And then it's something else. So now we have more data than we ever needed. So next step, Ali, you'll compile the data and send it. You can just start to the group, but then just not reply all. Yep. And then we can plug in. Yep. I'll get that back. Perfect. All right. We have a business association 2.0. I know that Karen wanted to speak with Jesse and I know that Jesse was getting his sea legs and wanting to get that going. Putting in his mind, he has a couple of people. So I think that will start coming together, but it's in process. And then the post-partum building department survey. Yes. I got your feedback. I can incorporate it and send it back out. If folks don't take another look, we're not able to start to send it yet. Right. It doesn't know. No. Okay. Yeah. So we just, we need to get one approved by us and then we can send to, I can send that data version. Did you guys read it before? No. Okay. So we'll recirculate it, send comments directly to needy. Okay. Just don't reply all. And then you can kind of collect them. So Jeff, if you can, I mean, you're going to be really helpful. So it's literally anybody who's been through the permitting process. That's like, what's our feedback. So I'll get that over this week.
Okay. Next month would be June 12th. Friday. Does that work for people?
What day of the week? Friday. We'll go back to Friday. Second Friday. Yep. That works for me. Yep. Works.
Good for you, Ali. Works. So with that, do I hear a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. Are you a second? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. 5-0. We are adjourned at 926. 6.