October 8, 2025 – Community Preservation Committee – Video & Transcript
October 8, 2025 - Community Preservation Committee
Susan Weinstein: Hello
everybody. Today is Wednesday,
October 8, 2025 and you are here
for a Community Preservation
Committee meeting and hearing.
My name is Susan Weinstein, and
I will now call the meeting to
order. We have the presence of a
quorum, both in the room, plus
one. So go us. We'll do a quick
go around for introductions. So
I'm Susan Doug, that's
Unknown: kindergartner Westcott,
Historical Commission,
Larry Charena
Stewart, recreation Judy Haun-Ping Ling: and Judy. Judy lane, Board of Public Works, yay. Susan Weinstein: Okay, so one of the, probably the main reason we're here tonight is to talk with the public. But that's okay. We could talk amongst ourselves about the needs of the town with regard to Community Preservation and what kinds of things we should be either soliciting or encouraging or whatever. I mean, I represent the housing authority, and it's pretty easy to say we would like to have more affordable housing. Curious to see what happens with 212 Cochituate, whether there's going to be some group home action there, or some affordable housing or what, Unknown: excuse me, should we call the public informational hearing to order? That'd be good idea pursuant to county code 75 dash three, Susan Weinstein: okay, the public informational hearing is called to order pursuant to 75 dash three, representing the Housing Authority, I'd say we want more affordable housing. And just for the record, I'm also on the Affordable Housing Trust, and so they the trust is where the Community Preservation funds go to be used for affordable housing. I'm not we're still working on 11 dash 12 Hammond road, but hopefully that will be built within the next year and will be sold to a first time home buyer, and that's in collaboration with Habitat for Humanity, MetroWest, Greater Worcester
Unknown: and and there's CPC funds involved. Susan Weinstein: Yes, CPA funds are involved, and the way it's being structured is that the trust is putting up a certain amount to support the development of it. Habitat is putting up some of theirs. And then when it comes time that it gets sold, then the proceeds get divided, so some of what we put in will be replenished. Unknown: That a general operating principle or a general operating hope for the work of the housing trust to get money back, yeah, to use money to facilitate, but not necessarily spend it forever,
Susan Weinstein: willing to do either. Yeah, that, you know, whatever it takes to get more affordable housing. You know, of course, we'd like to leverage it and be able to get the most out of it, yeah, and I mean, that was another thing is that doing one unit at a time is appreciated and not, not overly efficient, but a whole lot of places where we have the opportunity to do more than one, Unknown: whereas if, like, If launch your way went. You know, we might have spent three or 4 million and hope to get two or three back and get 12 units. That would have been a good thing. Would have been awesome, and we would have probably even followed the law. Yeah, the one that tell me,
Judy Haun-Ping Ling: Susan, this is Judy question best so on affordable housing is, is there any thought about helping out people who want to do ADU for rental because rentals are considered affordable housing.
Susan Weinstein: I think rentals with certain conditions are affordable housing, like they need to have, they need to be committed to be affordable housing. And I have to confess that I haven't really followed the ADU developments, but I think it's a real question that we need to look at. But, you know, I Unknown: mean, I can't believe the general law Setting Up Community Preservation. Community Preservation Act itself would have contemplated such financing things. Well, technically, I think with the ADU. Use there's, I think we changed the name ADU, affordable accessory dwelling units, but I think they can be classified separately, and I'm not clear on this, but the land and the property, the actual building would be separate, and you could restrict it the to the cost of it, so they could be ADU, portable ADU, so, but rent has not come up if you rent it. I've not heard that. No. So is that a deed restriction on it? That it has to be that and it has to be affordable, right? Well, whatever is deemed affordable in new Wayland, Susan Weinstein: but the but the thing about it being DEP restricted is that it can only charge a certain amount. Yeah, as you know, permitted by the formula from what are the livable communities? Not DHCD anymore. They renamed it. They rebranded. So, I mean, if you could put a section eight voucher holder, then, then that would qualify, so you could restrict Unknown: it just as Section Eight. I don't, I Susan Weinstein: don't know what the what the requirements would be at this point, but I can certainly ask Unknown: and would CPA funds necessarily need to be involved?
Susan Weinstein: I would say, not necessarily, Unknown: what function would they do in something like that? Susan Weinstein: I mean, it could be possible that we support renovation or something so that it becomes an affordable unit. We do the the trust does administer a program for affordable units that are owner occupied, if they need support with doing substantial repairs that are like related to health and safety. And for a certain amount, it's a grant, and above that, it's a loan, Unknown: loan with an attachment on sale, right? Susan Weinstein: Yeah, so I will, I think we have a trust meeting next week or the week after. So I will bring it there and ask about ADU. Judy Haun-Ping Ling: Thank you. Thank you. Susan Weinstein: All right, wanna talk recreation? Unknown: Yeah, our meeting is next week, and so I don't have our formal request yet of what we're interested in. I'm gonna guess it includes a rotating playground that's on the next year schedule, which playground I didn't give you. Oh, you don't know what? Yeah, there's, there's a 1020, year schedule for the playgrounds and so. And then outside of that, I've just had some people from the public reach out to me about things that they are interested in, some minor improvements at Luke or conservation area, Susan Weinstein: just to trail or just, you know, to Unknown: clear up the trail head. You know, you look to go through the woods there, and the sign is six feet into this high brush. So then it's assigned for dog owners, yes, with their instructions, but you can't actually get to it, so just minor improvements, like maybe that in the park bench and, and just,
Susan Weinstein: yeah, I'm not sure, I'm not sure that we'll be able to fund that if it falls into maintenance. Yes, yeah, but good to be thinking about different properties. You may not have had the meeting yet, but have you all been talking about the Oh, my God, what's it called? Splash Pad? Unknown: Yet by ADC, yeah, yeah, it's an interesting concept, and that space can be used for many wonderful things. As we saw last week, it's functional. So I think there's going to be some conversation about tying that up would be tricky, but a playground in that area of town would be real well appreciated.
And my understanding is there's a new owner of the of the place, and we just don't know. Robbie's not coughing up as to who it is, yet you're not. Liberty to say it. You know, did the town end up buying that plot of land that they were offered for $100 was that, I think, at Tom meeting, it was voted down. It's the it's the grassy area during the event last weekend that had the bouncy houses. It was behind Ace Hardware. Is that still kind of owned by the development company? Or do is that waylandland? Do you mean where the bouncy house was? Yes, I thought that was town lane. I know the that we as a town put in the hill and the paths that are there and graded what is currently sitting there, so, but I don't, I assume we own it, or we wouldn't have done that. Well, the hill is part of the subject system, right? No, no, it was flat. Well, I know, but when they put in some of the tanks, I thought that's what was underneath there.
He just got a plan. It could be, it was, it was flat, and then it wasn't. And then there was a hill there before Raytheon, Susan Weinstein: well before Raytheon. You're going back to ancient history, yeah, almost Unknown: not when you're as old as I am. I'm sure it was just pure water tanks, so nothing else that we're making that now joking. Susan Weinstein: I am curious about the idea of the splash pad there with, you know, right by the river and the protected areas and all that. Unknown: Well, septic is an issue, a big issue, isn't it? Yeah, and that could be a lot of water. I've heard several folks talk about, how do you process that and but I think, you know, it's early stages, doing something I think it's a great idea.
So far, our our interest is, you know, the playground would be a nice accessory, and another draw to the area, and more reason for people to linger. But as to each item there, yet, we haven't gone through that well. Susan Weinstein: I mean, we were definitely on that memo that came around. It was definitely clear that they knew that they that there were deadlines for Community Preservation and that that was part of their vision was was coming to us, all right. Well, those are good to know what's what's on the historical agenda? Unknown: Well, there's a concern about conservation and preservation. There's a difference, and a lot of people don't understand the difference, which is to conserve something you read, not you're repairing it or trying to get it back to what its original inception was, whether it be paper or building or something like that, and then to preserve something is that you're just protecting it, you put like an acid free box around it there. There is a difference. There has been inquiry by one of the town departments as to whether or not they want to conserve some more town records that are obviously in dire need. They're practically shreds. So it needs conservation rather than preservation. And that's the only person that I've heard from so far. Susan Weinstein: If you can serve, does that necessarily include actions to preserve as well? Okay? Unknown: I mean, you can put the two of them together to do that right, absolutely from the also, this concerns the housing, affordable housing project, is that currently, townland, my understanding, is 11 Hamley road is townland. It's owned by the trust, which is town organization, right? Quasi because there have been two shoe factories, there last one being Hammond, which is why it's called Hammond way. And therefore, any digging that is done on that, it really is. Responsibility, or the trust to notify us in in advance, so that we can have someone there to observe any digging that's done. I don't think we're interested in any pit projects that would hold things up, but to just observe what, what is being brought up from from down there. So I just say that as a reminder, yep, and that's basically what I said so far. That's the only thing we've heard about is the one of the departments here is interested in pursuing that,
Susan Weinstein: and overall, are there more areas of cemeteries that are in the plan? Unknown: Because I did forget about the cemeteries there currently seems to be a problem with the current contract we have, and in working on the cemeteries, the company that received the ARPA, has had health issues, and they are not nearly as far along as they should be. They have suggested they would like to break the contract. It has been noted that on their Facebook page they are working on other cemeteries, which apparently pay them more, although they are the ones that set up the price on this, not us, and because of the price of everything else going up, they feel that they're losing money on our contract. They hadn't Dilly dallyed Exactly. Well, they had to dilly dally because of illness, but frankly, they just didn't have staff. That's not our fault. That's, you know, I'm agreeing with that percent is much as I heartfelt sorry for this situation, and I feel for this company. But, you know, they signed a contract to deliver the goods, and yet they go work on other contracts saying they can't work here. So it was decided at today's meeting, that we will be meeting with Kelsi and Michael about this to see what our steps are next. There was suggested by one of the lawyers on our team that we can legally stop payment on the last bill until this has been settled because they're breaking the contract, not us. And about 36% of the gravestone cleaning is done out of like 4,000% what? Out of 100% Yeah, well, out of four, over 4000 gravestones that need cleaning. So it's a big project, and about 30% of priority one, maybe a little bit more, have been accomplished. Priority One is broken gravestones that need repair. However, the last one that they worked on turned out to be much more of a project than they had expected, and is costing a lot more. Is this because of the delay that it's in worse condition than when they first assessed it. I don't know. The other is priority two, which are small chips or cracks or tilting, and that's point zero. 6% has been done on that. Now. Another concern is, did we to do too big a project, including all three cemeteries? The reason we did is because Lake View has never, ever been done, and whereas the other two have had well, North has had two rounds, South has had one round. This is being their second. So if we're going to be fair to the whole community, we need to do all the cemeteries that are under our province. So again, it's, it's, I can't comment anything more, because I don't know anything more until they meet in the meeting has not occurred yet. Susan Weinstein: So in the having, you know, taken on the three and that some how much of like North will be done, that will need to be done after this project, and same Unknown: with South, that was not. Yeah, told to me, Okay, I'm sorry, Susan Weinstein: in the whole scope of Unknown: they have been working on all three cemeteries, so I don't know what percentage of each I'm not Susan Weinstein: talking about this particular project. I'm just saying, like, as we plan ahead, what kind of work should we envision for Lake View? What kind of work? Because not all of it fits the criteria, right? Of, is it all historical? Yes. Oh, when did we stop using it? Unknown: Well, the sections that they're working on are historical. Oh, I know, yeah, like the lake view is the oldest portion of the Senate area and so forth. But no, I don't know, because I'm not in charge of that project, and I can just tell you what it's been reported at the meeting the I think, think they've been doing a lot of work in the north it. This is a guess on my part, that Lakeview didn't have that many priority ones, so they may be completed, but North and South would have had more priority ones than Lakeview did. Susan Weinstein: Okay, I was just curious. You know, as we envision the next Well, five years or 11 years, yes, you're right, and I'm assuming that we don't need to put aside any more money for stones bridge. Unknown: Isn't that marvelous? I hope you all have gone to visit stone bridge. I will tell you that people who repair cemeteries and cemetery associations and so forth. Every five to 10 years, you need to go back into that cemetery and repair and fix because ground heaves. Whether we all know that it's there's acid in the rain, all affect these gravestones. And so just expect to have the cemetery come up repeatedly because of that factor. Susan Weinstein: That's what I would have thought, yes. And also, there are ones that are getting older that maybe didn't, Unknown: yeah, yeah, ones that may have survived up to date, maybe tilting or cracking or vandalism may have occurred. And so, so we're going by the guideline, and most towns set aside funding to do this for every five to 10. And 10 is a real stretch, although Wayland has been known to do that stretch, don't Susan Weinstein: put up till tomorrow, where you can put up till day after tomorrow. Unknown: So anyway, that's That's it, and we're very pleased and proud of stone bridge being completed. Susan Weinstein: ADU, hear anything from the library about their needs? I Unknown: have not heard anything from the library. I think there are several people have expressed disappointment in the fact that there are stairs on a project that was supposed to make it available for people in wheelchairs to access the library without stairs. So now, whether they're going to use that door in the children's room as the wheelchair access or when they complete the elevator, whether that will suffice, but yeah, now I came down. I went attended a meeting last night, and I asked if it was lighted, well lighted, because I went upstairs first, and I had to go down and around. And they said, Oh yes, well lighted. Well, it is, till you make the turn on the back and the steps at the top are not well lighted. They're very dark. And then about halfway down you get lights again.
Was a light out. I've walked out. I didn't at night, yeah, yeah, right around the corner, like the desktop, the stairs, yeah. You know, I see the light when I leave at night. You know there are solar, aren't they? The lights on? I don't know whether they're solar or not. They're about yay high, yeah, solar panel. So well, it was a night. I didn't notice a solar panel, but so I don't know why. If there was a light even there, I didn't even see one, but there was, I wasn't particularly looking for light. No. And walking. So I don't know. I honestly don't Susan Weinstein: know, and and they're like historical document collection, Unknown: I think the previous local history librarian has done a really good job on. Doing a lot of preservation with that. They have a new local history librarian, and I have not met with him that often like I did with the other one, because he also has three or four other hats in the library, and I'm assuming that's taking up his time, though, I honestly don't know. Okay, anything from the railroad? I'm sorry. I can't bear anything about railroad development. I know that they've made some progress. I was wondering, right? Well, our goal, which was done 25 years ago, is to make that a destination point where it's an instruction, where the engine house was and the turntable and the water tower and all that. Right now we're still focused on the signs that are going along the rail trail. We just the designer is back, so she's starting to work on the signs the there's been a contract for the designer and for the sign for better word builder, the one that's creating the manufacturing, the science for us, and the one was it, MBTA, no see something or other starts with a C, C u r, c, r, u something. PCR, who the permanent PCR owns it. They have walked the trail many times with our representatives. Had marked where benches are going, where concrete pads are going, where the signs are. They have limited the number of signs. They don't like the reading level that we have, they don't like the number of words we have. They don't like the number of acts that are about other things along the railroad, other than specifically the Railroad, which are all historical, like the Mill Pond, with the mill and everything else, but I think we've come to an agreement now it's up to the designer to take that agreement and make it into a really good sign. And she just got back from Europe, so hopefully that'll be done soon.
Susan Weinstein: Thank you. Appreciate all that. I'm sure there are like buildings and stuff we should talk about, but Unknown: nobody has come forward to or talk to us anyway about any buildings that require attention or anything like that, doesn't mean they aren't there. They are, and crowd heard is in good, in good shape for now, actually, no,
right? Yeah, it's really well, I don't know if, if you like living in 65 degree weather all summer. It's great. That's historical
Susan Weinstein: Ice Age, Unknown: not when you're wearing three coats. Susan Weinstein: So what's what's to be done that? Unknown: Well, there is a drainage problem that it's been causing issues with the foundation. There's some touch up on pace we recently had what appears, we don't know to be sap dripping in the center of the house on the first floor. So can't be a leak from the roof when we have to find out what that's all about. There's still some structural issues in the foundation and the beams that have to be determined. Susan Weinstein: How old is this house? 1740,
Unknown: I know I'm thinking, in the middle of the house, why is there, sat there. Where is this water coming? That it's going through a being that this dark brown stuff? I mean, I have to dodge it every day. I want to go up and down stairs. So I'd like to know where it is, and I'd like to be able to seal it up or stop it. And I have volunteers that use that I don't want it in their hair. I don't want her in their clothes. And it's the closest stairway to the bathroom, the one and only bathroom in the house. So it would be very nice to get that fixed. Susan Weinstein: Okay, well, you all know where we are.
Unknown: Something else on that list in the email, me and in the minutes that we talked about before, I'm sorry I don't have a printer, and neither does a graph or has ever printed to print this off
Susan Weinstein: assessor's records. No Unknown: real supports, but the real. Support. Thank you. Well, no, as far as I know, I did not hear any report on anything on the rail reports, and then usually talked about assessor's records. I guess that's it. I thought there was something else, Susan Weinstein: but we were anticipating that there would be another round of assessor's Unknown: records, right? Yes, that's our meant that's is inquiring as to whether or not we should go forward. And I had Rob and I are setting up a meeting to talk about that. Susan Weinstein: Wouldn't there also be town clerk records Unknown: I heard, and I'm not going to report on that, because I've only heard rumors, nothing direct or official, so I'm not going to come. Susan Weinstein: I'm just thinking in terms of like we had designated a certain Unknown: I know, and as I said, I've heard nothing but rumors. So I don't want Susan Weinstein: to comment on we're just talking about needs of the town, so Unknown: I understand. And as I stated,
Susan Weinstein: moving on, Sean is not here because he has a ConCom meeting right now. Unknown: Can I talk a little bit about that? Please do sure you know my observation, and having done a lot of work that you know before I joined the committee that led to the purchase of 27 Sherman search road is as a practical matter, the opportunities to purchase open land for conservation in this town are few and far between. I mean, you know when I remember when the CPA town meeting article was being sold to the residents of the town, specifically, main stone and the Lincoln Road fields were spoken about as high priority items that you know, if you build it, they will come the only other major land you mean, if they Don't build it, they will exactly, precisely, yes. And you know, since that time, I think 27 Sherman Ridge Road has been the only appreciable purchase, as with main stone, if a gotta have it, property ever does come on the market, we have the ability to issue a bond. And so as I think about conservation, and then you get into the situation of things like York Road, where conservation is the sponsor, and it's on conservation land, but it's actually a passive recreational amenity, so it needs to go that way. But the other thing I become aware of is, you know, looking at the open space plan and the updating of it is, there's actually about 36 landowners in town who have 61 a or 61 easements. And I'm familiar with that because I'm one of them. What's the B? Well, the B is recreational use, and I have a is agriculture, right? Yes. And I happen to be one of them whose land has absolutely no conservation value or recreational value. But as you look at a lot of these other owners, they have areas that you know appear on a past open space plan. They have areas that would be really neat links to current trails. And I'm wondering if you know if a long term strategy for the Conservation Department, and perhaps a is to identify those properties and get into discussions with the owners about, hey, you know you need to sell this at some point we actually write our first refusal on it. Is there some way that we can work with you now to set up, you know, whatever trail easements, or whatever we would value, so that you know when the time comes for you to sell it, you know, it's a rubber stamp for the Select Board to say, yes, we've already, you know, worked with the owner. We've gotten the conservation value, recreational value, in place. And you know, we won't exercise the way the first refusal, um, explain that to me. What do you mean? We, we use, we, we as the town, have the right refusal of what? So when I bought my house, we're moving through the purchase and sale agreement process, and there's this then, little known codicil that came up to said, Oh, you mean, like, I gotta wait for the board of selectmen of Wayland to say they don't want to buy because my house I bought was under a 60 1b tax assessment at the time. So five acres, or, you know, taxed at a recreational rate, and part of taking that tax abatement is that you have to agree to 60 1b Right? It was not familiar, yep. So you buy you that necessitates you. You about conservation land? No, it No, it is. If you have land of recreational value, and in many cases that overlaps with conservation value, you can apply for and get this tax abatement, but, but part of necessarily a but conservation doesn't know, but about half of, I'd say about half of the 36 properties under 61 a or 60 1b have areas that conservation and or recreation would see as value things, yeah, as assets that would be very interesting to look at, like which ones we target, Right exactly? Yeah. So, you know, I need to talk to Linda Hanson about a little bit more, but I want to surface that, you know, we were going through an open space planning process. This should be part of that. And, you know, there's potentially a way for this committee to play a role in facilitating those, you know, by easements or whatever, Susan Weinstein: did they finish the updated open space and recreation plan within the past couple of years? Unknown: I don't think so. I think it's I think we're funding it through way, through admin funds. And I haven't seen much on it. I haven't seen anything on it so on. I forgot the name of the mike blade soccer there, right offline Alpine, yeah, so I tried to get one of the landowners, and I can't recall the name of the road to the south of the Alpine, to allow an easement through their yard. Yes, so you could continuously walk. We try to walk from our house to other towns and, well, it's funny you say that, because a few years ago, I think it's like at 86 Moore road, the former cab estate. The tamposi family put in a conservation cluster development there. And as part of that, they gifted the town a horseshoe piece of land, which includes a perfectly good path for more road up onto, you know what is both the tentacle pipeline right away and Sudbury Valley trustees land and, yeah, we've had preliminary discussions with conservation and the AMC about potentially building what would be about a 400 foot boardwalk from there over to the end of the trail known as Castle Hill Road, which would would provide that through access. And the AMC interest is that would become the bay circuit trail, and would literally take about 1.7 miles of Bay circuit trail off of roads including Sherman's Bridge Road without a sidewalk, the sidewalk on route 126, unless you're on Ward and make it a, you know, half mile shorter, nice walk through the woods. Could we pay for that easement, as with CPA funds? So if that, well, in this case, we don't need, I don't think we need an easement. The land is all townland. Oh, all right, SVP land and or, or is actually the pipeline, I think runs on National Wildlife Refuge land, but the pipeline has an easement, yeah. So if you can get a easement for a pipeline through a National Wildlife Refuge. I would hope you could get one to put a boardwalk on top of it. Maybe, maybe well administration, yes, yeah. But my question broader is, Could we talk to owners joining conservation land where we thought it would not impede their property about as much, and then provide money to them to pay for an easement precisely. Can we? Yes, yes, all right, I wanted without 60 1b Yeah, although I love that, and I think, you know, to merge our thoughts, that's exactly the sort of cost effective ways to use the conservation money, because we'll never have the chance to buy land with it. Yeah. Secondly, I would submit to you that the land under 61 A and 60 1b you know, the owners a have already demonstrated interest in conservation by offering public access and taking the tax abatement, or they just wanted tax abatement. Yeah. But you also have to tolerate strangers, right? It's worth the conversation and. Second they may be motivated, because this makes the sale process so much quicker. I imagine in the database, do we? It's as as ers, the Yeah, the software I could search for 60 1p properties. It's not that easy. No, I've got a list, but give me your personal email and i'll send I will. All right, I am curious, because we walk a lot around here, and one of the you can be our Field Scout the when my wife and I got married, we did our honeymoon in England, and one of the things we found fascinating was walking, yeah, from town to town through properties and farms and Dave different laws than we have. It's public land unless it's not Yes, yes. And I thought, wow, Weston's done such a nice job. Lincoln has not so much Wayland and Sudbury, but would love to connect more trail. You'll be interested in what I've done. Island, yeah, I was waiting to get my hip replaced. I had nothing better to do. Oh, really, when you get that done? April 3, I got it done. August 5, new Ma, hopefully I'm not there yet. Susan Weinstein: One of the goals of the open space and recreation planning, especially the open spaces, to make more things continue. Yeah, and I think it's an Unknown: important part of wayland's value proposition of a town as a town, and wanting to keep people of all generations here that we invest in this stuff. Can I ask a question here? I understand I have a map of all the horse trails in town, so my understanding is that there are easements for all this property because somebody was selling their father's property and said, What's this easement for horse trail, and it is in their deed that there is an easement for it. Wow, at one point in the 60s or 70s, there were like 60 or 70 horses in town, and they were being ridden all the time, which is why the horse trails were created. And the library has a copy of that map as well. That would be, and I thought you'd be interested in, you would be interested in that, yeah, you have to watch where you step. So that means that people can walk those trails, right?
That's how the easement is written, okay, whether you have to have a horse that you're riding, doesn't say what kind of horse one of those horses or lead a horse.
Susan Weinstein: I did want to say that Community Preservation Act funds can be used to purchase an interest in land, and so it could be the entire
Unknown: Lincoln Road. You skipped over that, but didn't Wayland, yes, right? So that that's an example of an interest, yeah, Susan Weinstein: as is main stone, Unknown: yeah, yeah, the 27 Sherman Ridge full and bridge full and free and clear. There you go. Susan Weinstein: Let's go on out and do some hiking. Unknown: Yes, indeed, I'm digital Commonwealth. We might find where is Susan Weinstein: Lincoln Road? Yes, it's North going up 126 and it's on the right, if you're going Unknown: doors, oh, your child, of course, yeah, it's like a DEP partial dirt path. And walk down and pulls up right, yep. Got you Okay? I Okay, Susan Weinstein: so the thing that we'll need to do is follow up about the open space and recreation plan, because the thing that I see is most recent on the town website is the survey, yes, that conservation and recreation wanted input, and that was from October. Oh, so a year ago, Judy Haun-Ping Ling: Susan, I have a question. Susan Weinstein: Passed away. Judy Haun-Ping Ling: All right, so you guys mentioned Sherman Bridge Road, and you guys probably heard about Sher. And bridge itself needs some I'm not sure it's restoration preservation, but basically, Department of Transportation is very, let's just say they're they're letting us know it needs to be repaired. And my understanding is that it's a very old bridge, so there might be historical reasons that that we would want to fund some of the repairs through the Community Preservation Fund. And there are people who use that bridge for recreation in the sense of their whether they're fishing or boating, doing something around there, is that something that would would be a project for for this group, Unknown: not under Historical funding. That bridge was rebuilt in 1992 and although they could, they had a petition of over 200 people signed that they wanted it to remain a wood bridge. And my understanding is that even if they don't put asphalt over it, what is it? The name of the woodland? Lee lamb wood, which is not wood, and that for, I mean, it's, it's wood, but it's not the original composite. Yes, that it would have to be if, if it was used with historical fence, but planking would be, would be eligible. It's something I would have to look into, but it's more logical, because it was wood planking there, yeah. What about the launch area to the side of the bridge? Well, that's definitely threatened by the current plan. What do you mean? The current plan that the DEP, DEP use of Wayland and Sudbury will present tomorrow night has both extending Steel guard rails to block the launch areas, but moreover creating catch basins with a 12 Foot, 12 inch reinforced concrete pipe that would run to a dry well or similar structure that would dominate the launch ramp on the west side of the bridge. I bet that ramp is only about 10 to 12 feet official launch spot. Or is it? It's because it's crude. It's crude and it doesn't have a sign saying, you know, this is a DC air launch spot, but I can tell you, it's very busy. Oh, it is busy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, there they get stuck on the problem. Oh, isn't there. There is a sign on the Wayland side, yeah, and it, but it isn't designated as a launch area. Well, it's caught. The sign is, actually, I believe the sign is, it's a Kia, six inches into federal, national wildlife refuge land, and speaks to the Wildlife Refuge. But it's a very popular launch spot, and unfortunately it is. When I was there late at night, there were at least seven people there launching their kayaks, yeah. And when I asked people if they were local and what they felt about the bridge and so forth, they said, well, as long as you don't affect our launch site, we're okay, yeah. But they were very upset about the possibility of not having access to the
what meeting is that tomorrow night, at 630 at the Fairbank community center in Sudbury. Sudbury, there is a quote visioning session being sponsored by the DEP W's of Wayland and Sudbury, and I think it's actually may be run by the Marlboro based consulting firm they've hired to try to help with the quote, public outreach, where they're going to talk about their proposal to Put asphalt on the bridge put Steel guard rails and basically use a very motor vehicle centric approach, as opposed to respecting the desires of all Steel guard rails Are because the ADU line, or the hill requires no it's a putative state requirement, but there's been no detail as to, you know what types of roads and what type of speeds allowed would necessitate these putative state requirements, nor whether there's a grandfathering for historic structure. Or those on scenic roads, or those that bisect national wildlife refuges, for that matter, but the launch itself is on Wayland lane. No, the launch itself would be on fish and wildlife. That's a really good question, actually, because yeah, according to Yeah, it's on fish and wildlife land. I mean, you know, there's a right away, right which surrounds the bridge, and, you know, you probably have the actual property line between the right of way and the US government land somewhere smack Dave in the middle of each of two ramps.
Judy Haun-Ping Ling: So it does not qualify, because it's not historical. Am I hearing that correctly, Unknown: putting, putting glue lamb on would not qualify? That's right. Putting definitely that would not right. But the other thing I'd like to suggest to the committee is, if the recreation department supported it, there is a proposal if you are going to open the patient up and do serious modifications and repairs, this would be a wonderful time to put a second platform on the opposite side of the bridge, a second walkway, given the number of people who walk there, who fish there, who bird watch there, etc.
Oh, walkway. A second walkway. First one there is, there is a first one on the west side of the bridge, which, you know, you're always seeing a sidewalk. There's a sidewalk on that, well, I call it the north side and, well, technically the bridge takes a left turn, so it's more West. There's, there's, there is one side that has a walkway, oh, of the bridge, of the bridge, of the bridge. All right, sorry, I thought you meant this side, but past the bridge on the ground, no on the bridge, no, sorry. Susan Weinstein: So I, I mean, I guess we should well. So who pays for the work when it gets done at this bridge? Judy Haun-Ping Ling: So, 5050, I think Sudbury and Wayland, right. Unknown: I think there's a contract between the two towns, because they announced the the signing of the contract. There's a inter municipal agreement between the two towns where Wayland is actually the paying agent, and Sudbury is bound to reimburse Wayland for half of what it pays. But if in that the state is offering, and Judy would know as well as I but I think the proposition is that the state would buy furnish about $300,000 worth of free blue lamb to the towns and and that would be their income contribution.
Judy Haun-Ping Ling: That sounds right.
Unknown: So is there an if the metal guard rails don't need to go up on that side? Is there an opportunity for the for us to contribute funds to enhance the boat launch? Yes, yeah, you know, we would fall into recreation and so yeah, could help with their support. But yes,
Judy Haun-Ping Ling: all right, so Larry, think you can make it to
Unknown: that meeting. Tomorrow is Thursday. Thursday, the ninth day a list of the issues.
Does the planning board get the offer up ideas for the CPC? Susan Weinstein: I think so. You guys have a seat opportunity anybody can. Yeah, I know that even the planning board, Unknown: and I think the planning board has the ability to send they offer a letter or resolution of support on any matter it seems fit to any other town board, huh? Yeah, the given the planning board's mission, yes, well, so I'm apologize I read that propositional life agenda and on October 8 on the website, it doesn't it shows September 17 agenda. So I wasn't aware we were going to talk about ideas, but so I'm a little off guard, but and I'll talk to the planning board about their ideas. One or two come to mind, and that's the old landfill, and I know I'm meeting with the. Tom Fay and some local residents across at Oxbow on Friday, and they have their meeting for that property. But you've got, what, 400 people across the road, and as soon as the rail trail get built. There's going to be a draw to cross route 20 and get to the rail trail. So we're trying to figure out it's mass to T to get some sort of crossing, yes, at all, basically, yeah. And then we need a trail to get to the rail trail, which, you know, so we need to figure where that is and what it's made of, and meanwhile, they're trying to figure out what to do with property. And I've got an idea there, yeah, and that is, you know, with the likelihood of a stoplight or pedestrian crossing at Alta and the landfill road that I've always wondered if would be possible to run a doesn't have to be paid. But, you know, dirt gravel bike and walking trail from, is it water row where the DEP w is? Yeah, there's a dirt road entrance there. Run it through the landfill, yeah, which I think is pretty straight down the landfill road, and, you know, it'd be great and then through the old landfill to connect with the bike trail. And that'd be great connectivity. And you know, you do need loops there with the Bruce Freeman and the mass Central Rail trails. Yeah, oh yeah, agree. The but so that would be one idea, and I'll talk with the board to see what other ones there were great.
Susan Weinstein: All right, well, I think we were pretty thorough, yeah, and we can go ahead and close the public hearing. Everybody okay with that? Yes, all righty, is Unknown: there anyone on that has that
we need a motion, Madam Chair, to close the hearing. Yes, I move to close the hearing. Susan Weinstein: Okay, is there a second, I'm sorry, what was Unknown: that? Moving to close the public hearing? Oh, thank you. Susan Weinstein: Is there any discussion? We need to do a roll call vote? Judy, yes. Thank you. Leslie, yes. Larry, yes. Okay, yes. Doug, yes, yes. Thank you. All right, returning to the regular meeting the minutes of September 17. Have a set here. If anybody needs, I do need to make one correction, and that is that we inadvertently took Robbie off. So we'll put Robbie back up at the top instead of zoom admin, anybody have anything Unknown: else Robbie? What's your last name? So
ARPA D, unless you want to be zoom admin, no, Susan Weinstein: then your that's 10 years in admin.
Unknown: Yeah, is it I have another correction, please? It says historical society when it's really Historical Commission. That's what
Susan Weinstein: I thought, too. Town records on the back of the first page ie page two, my daughter, Unknown: take a look. Do you have a hard copy?
The agenda,
Susan Weinstein: and then it's one that's all the papers that we need today. Do you have a Unknown: copy of the agenda?
So they get for the meeting, Luke, Susan Weinstein: and there's another set of minutes that people anybody needs some
I could drop off.
Judy Haun-Ping Ling: Come on by. Susan Weinstein: I have no choice. It would be a very long trip if I didn't go past your house. I know. I should have crossed the street in like two houses down from me. So make the paper you're like, that was a good idea. Okay. Anything else those two amendments? Is there a motion to approve the minutes of September 17, 2025, as amended? Unknown: So moved. Thank you. Is Susan Weinstein: there a second? Second? All right, roll call both. Leslie, yeah, I Yes.
Unknown: Larry, abstaining, okay. Judy Haun-Ping Ling: Judy, yes, Susan Weinstein: thank you. Okay, yes. Doug, yes. Susan, yes, all right, groovy. Look at this. Go. Confession that I still do not have the final list of which projects are completed and which are not. I am happy to report that we have filed all of the necessary, I guess, reports with the state on what the community president, what each Community Preservation Committee needs to do for each town, I guess, is submit a separate report on each project that is approved so that it becomes part of this big database, and then have to, like, update it when it's completed and stuff like that. So all of our 2025,
projects have been entered, and that makes us eligible for the money. So yay. But Doug and I still need to coordinate and get some information from the finance department, just so that we can, you know, make sure that we have all of the final prices and things like that, so it's still working. And I think we pretty much talked about other things that we were going to discuss at this time. Unknown: Did I give the entire board an update on York Road or just, you think it was just us talking beforehand? But anyway, the one project to put the trail out to York Road, which seemed like was a little bit stalled. Pleased to report that on Monday, I went with three people from the Conservation Department and two people from the Appalachian Mountain Club, and they had flags and GPS gizmos and everything else, and are laying out the trail and confident that, you know, we're back on track, so to speak. Susan Weinstein: We're on the trail literally, yes, well, that's great. It's always nice to hear when things are moving forward, Unknown: especially when they were stalled. When they were stalled, yeah,
Susan Weinstein: everything's done with the with the beach, right? Unknown: Yeah, is the beach. And final value, we might get some money back. Just the glencing budget came up much lower than expected. Susan Weinstein: Can't complain, unless it was inferior fence. But yeah, and
Unknown: was it a good season at the beach? Yeah, they had a they had a banner season, I guess. Yeah, it can give you numbers, but no, no closures, yeah, well, that's the start basis. And what they've done about that, I thought was really remarkable. They I don't know if you know the recreation when somebody sees a visual bloom of some sort, then it closes the beach, and then the testing is done, and it's two or three days for the or even longer to get the Susan Weinstein: test. So they just blindfold everyone so that they don't see the balloons they Unknown: routinely test so they already have the answer in hand, so if they see it visually, they already have the answer that the water is safe or not. And I guess it, you know, the cost of keeping the beach open more than pays for the amount of the debt the testing, and that's the stroke brilliance.
Susan Weinstein: Very proactive, yeah. Department, good tonight. All right, credit, credit, given where did did updates, so I don't know any topic is, topics that were not reasonably anticipated. Unknown: Well, I just wanted to say that I may have misspoke at the last minute meeting, which is why I didn't mention it for the minutes I thought they had approved. The Select Board had approved paying for Historical Commission signage at the at that previous the day before Select Board meeting, but they may have agreed that they thought it was a good idea. But didn't vote on it, so I just want to correct Susan Weinstein: that. So does it still need a vote? Unknown: I've been watching the the agendas, and I haven't seen it come up, and I and their last time they posted minutes was August, so I haven't, I don't know what happened since that September meeting,
Susan Weinstein: I sent notice about the applications being available to many town departments. It needs to make sure that all of the boards know about it, but I'm assuming that you all have told your boards. Big assumption, or committees or commissions, and what is it? November 13 is the deadline, and I don't know that we can track whether it's been downloaded at all. Nobody has called the questions I did in the ICC Geo. I don't need to tell you that I was going to tell Doug was that I told people that they could call him yes if they had questions. Since I CC them, I don't have to tell them. All right.
Unknown: Deadlines, November 13, for submissions for funds for next year. Susan Weinstein: Yeah, because we have to go through and Yeah, Unknown: makes sense. But many, oh, we haven't received any yet. Susan Weinstein: Well, they only just became available. Judy has a question, yes. Judy Haun-Ping Ling: So if there is interest in providing funds to keep the boat launch. I'm assuming that would be a request coming from recreation. Is that? Is that right or open space? I don't know who does what Susan Weinstein: that would that would be the most logical, but it could also be presented by petitioners. Judy Haun-Ping Ling: Nice, but okay, Brett Unknown: didn't wanna get landed, and we'd ask Rick's opinion as to whether that was, yeah, how York Road worked. That was a conservation project that came over to rec last year. Susan Weinstein: So because conservation open space is for acquiring open space. And then what you when you're doing stuff on it, it's almost always recreation. Unknown: How was route 20, boat launched? Susan Weinstein: Done not by us, Unknown: probably the state, maybe when they did that Susan Weinstein: bridge, I would think so, yeah, that would make sense. All right, everybody, good. Is there a motion to adjourn at 7:40pm 7:41pm I'm sorry, did you say so moved Thank you, sir second, Thank you.
All right. Roll call vote. Judy
Larry, yes. Leslie, okay, yes. Doug, yes. Susan, yes. Robbie, thank you so much. Okay, bye.
Stewart, recreation Judy Haun-Ping Ling: and Judy. Judy lane, Board of Public Works, yay. Susan Weinstein: Okay, so one of the, probably the main reason we're here tonight is to talk with the public. But that's okay. We could talk amongst ourselves about the needs of the town with regard to Community Preservation and what kinds of things we should be either soliciting or encouraging or whatever. I mean, I represent the housing authority, and it's pretty easy to say we would like to have more affordable housing. Curious to see what happens with 212 Cochituate, whether there's going to be some group home action there, or some affordable housing or what, Unknown: excuse me, should we call the public informational hearing to order? That'd be good idea pursuant to county code 75 dash three, Susan Weinstein: okay, the public informational hearing is called to order pursuant to 75 dash three, representing the Housing Authority, I'd say we want more affordable housing. And just for the record, I'm also on the Affordable Housing Trust, and so they the trust is where the Community Preservation funds go to be used for affordable housing. I'm not we're still working on 11 dash 12 Hammond road, but hopefully that will be built within the next year and will be sold to a first time home buyer, and that's in collaboration with Habitat for Humanity, MetroWest, Greater Worcester
Unknown: and and there's CPC funds involved. Susan Weinstein: Yes, CPA funds are involved, and the way it's being structured is that the trust is putting up a certain amount to support the development of it. Habitat is putting up some of theirs. And then when it comes time that it gets sold, then the proceeds get divided, so some of what we put in will be replenished. Unknown: That a general operating principle or a general operating hope for the work of the housing trust to get money back, yeah, to use money to facilitate, but not necessarily spend it forever,
Susan Weinstein: willing to do either. Yeah, that, you know, whatever it takes to get more affordable housing. You know, of course, we'd like to leverage it and be able to get the most out of it, yeah, and I mean, that was another thing is that doing one unit at a time is appreciated and not, not overly efficient, but a whole lot of places where we have the opportunity to do more than one, Unknown: whereas if, like, If launch your way went. You know, we might have spent three or 4 million and hope to get two or three back and get 12 units. That would have been a good thing. Would have been awesome, and we would have probably even followed the law. Yeah, the one that tell me,
Judy Haun-Ping Ling: Susan, this is Judy question best so on affordable housing is, is there any thought about helping out people who want to do ADU for rental because rentals are considered affordable housing.
Susan Weinstein: I think rentals with certain conditions are affordable housing, like they need to have, they need to be committed to be affordable housing. And I have to confess that I haven't really followed the ADU developments, but I think it's a real question that we need to look at. But, you know, I Unknown: mean, I can't believe the general law Setting Up Community Preservation. Community Preservation Act itself would have contemplated such financing things. Well, technically, I think with the ADU. Use there's, I think we changed the name ADU, affordable accessory dwelling units, but I think they can be classified separately, and I'm not clear on this, but the land and the property, the actual building would be separate, and you could restrict it the to the cost of it, so they could be ADU, portable ADU, so, but rent has not come up if you rent it. I've not heard that. No. So is that a deed restriction on it? That it has to be that and it has to be affordable, right? Well, whatever is deemed affordable in new Wayland, Susan Weinstein: but the but the thing about it being DEP restricted is that it can only charge a certain amount. Yeah, as you know, permitted by the formula from what are the livable communities? Not DHCD anymore. They renamed it. They rebranded. So, I mean, if you could put a section eight voucher holder, then, then that would qualify, so you could restrict Unknown: it just as Section Eight. I don't, I Susan Weinstein: don't know what the what the requirements would be at this point, but I can certainly ask Unknown: and would CPA funds necessarily need to be involved?
Susan Weinstein: I would say, not necessarily, Unknown: what function would they do in something like that? Susan Weinstein: I mean, it could be possible that we support renovation or something so that it becomes an affordable unit. We do the the trust does administer a program for affordable units that are owner occupied, if they need support with doing substantial repairs that are like related to health and safety. And for a certain amount, it's a grant, and above that, it's a loan, Unknown: loan with an attachment on sale, right? Susan Weinstein: Yeah, so I will, I think we have a trust meeting next week or the week after. So I will bring it there and ask about ADU. Judy Haun-Ping Ling: Thank you. Thank you. Susan Weinstein: All right, wanna talk recreation? Unknown: Yeah, our meeting is next week, and so I don't have our formal request yet of what we're interested in. I'm gonna guess it includes a rotating playground that's on the next year schedule, which playground I didn't give you. Oh, you don't know what? Yeah, there's, there's a 1020, year schedule for the playgrounds and so. And then outside of that, I've just had some people from the public reach out to me about things that they are interested in, some minor improvements at Luke or conservation area, Susan Weinstein: just to trail or just, you know, to Unknown: clear up the trail head. You know, you look to go through the woods there, and the sign is six feet into this high brush. So then it's assigned for dog owners, yes, with their instructions, but you can't actually get to it, so just minor improvements, like maybe that in the park bench and, and just,
Susan Weinstein: yeah, I'm not sure, I'm not sure that we'll be able to fund that if it falls into maintenance. Yes, yeah, but good to be thinking about different properties. You may not have had the meeting yet, but have you all been talking about the Oh, my God, what's it called? Splash Pad? Unknown: Yet by ADC, yeah, yeah, it's an interesting concept, and that space can be used for many wonderful things. As we saw last week, it's functional. So I think there's going to be some conversation about tying that up would be tricky, but a playground in that area of town would be real well appreciated.
And my understanding is there's a new owner of the of the place, and we just don't know. Robbie's not coughing up as to who it is, yet you're not. Liberty to say it. You know, did the town end up buying that plot of land that they were offered for $100 was that, I think, at Tom meeting, it was voted down. It's the it's the grassy area during the event last weekend that had the bouncy houses. It was behind Ace Hardware. Is that still kind of owned by the development company? Or do is that waylandland? Do you mean where the bouncy house was? Yes, I thought that was town lane. I know the that we as a town put in the hill and the paths that are there and graded what is currently sitting there, so, but I don't, I assume we own it, or we wouldn't have done that. Well, the hill is part of the subject system, right? No, no, it was flat. Well, I know, but when they put in some of the tanks, I thought that's what was underneath there.
He just got a plan. It could be, it was, it was flat, and then it wasn't. And then there was a hill there before Raytheon, Susan Weinstein: well before Raytheon. You're going back to ancient history, yeah, almost Unknown: not when you're as old as I am. I'm sure it was just pure water tanks, so nothing else that we're making that now joking. Susan Weinstein: I am curious about the idea of the splash pad there with, you know, right by the river and the protected areas and all that. Unknown: Well, septic is an issue, a big issue, isn't it? Yeah, and that could be a lot of water. I've heard several folks talk about, how do you process that and but I think, you know, it's early stages, doing something I think it's a great idea.
So far, our our interest is, you know, the playground would be a nice accessory, and another draw to the area, and more reason for people to linger. But as to each item there, yet, we haven't gone through that well. Susan Weinstein: I mean, we were definitely on that memo that came around. It was definitely clear that they knew that they that there were deadlines for Community Preservation and that that was part of their vision was was coming to us, all right. Well, those are good to know what's what's on the historical agenda? Unknown: Well, there's a concern about conservation and preservation. There's a difference, and a lot of people don't understand the difference, which is to conserve something you read, not you're repairing it or trying to get it back to what its original inception was, whether it be paper or building or something like that, and then to preserve something is that you're just protecting it, you put like an acid free box around it there. There is a difference. There has been inquiry by one of the town departments as to whether or not they want to conserve some more town records that are obviously in dire need. They're practically shreds. So it needs conservation rather than preservation. And that's the only person that I've heard from so far. Susan Weinstein: If you can serve, does that necessarily include actions to preserve as well? Okay? Unknown: I mean, you can put the two of them together to do that right, absolutely from the also, this concerns the housing, affordable housing project, is that currently, townland, my understanding, is 11 Hamley road is townland. It's owned by the trust, which is town organization, right? Quasi because there have been two shoe factories, there last one being Hammond, which is why it's called Hammond way. And therefore, any digging that is done on that, it really is. Responsibility, or the trust to notify us in in advance, so that we can have someone there to observe any digging that's done. I don't think we're interested in any pit projects that would hold things up, but to just observe what, what is being brought up from from down there. So I just say that as a reminder, yep, and that's basically what I said so far. That's the only thing we've heard about is the one of the departments here is interested in pursuing that,
Susan Weinstein: and overall, are there more areas of cemeteries that are in the plan? Unknown: Because I did forget about the cemeteries there currently seems to be a problem with the current contract we have, and in working on the cemeteries, the company that received the ARPA, has had health issues, and they are not nearly as far along as they should be. They have suggested they would like to break the contract. It has been noted that on their Facebook page they are working on other cemeteries, which apparently pay them more, although they are the ones that set up the price on this, not us, and because of the price of everything else going up, they feel that they're losing money on our contract. They hadn't Dilly dallyed Exactly. Well, they had to dilly dally because of illness, but frankly, they just didn't have staff. That's not our fault. That's, you know, I'm agreeing with that percent is much as I heartfelt sorry for this situation, and I feel for this company. But, you know, they signed a contract to deliver the goods, and yet they go work on other contracts saying they can't work here. So it was decided at today's meeting, that we will be meeting with Kelsi and Michael about this to see what our steps are next. There was suggested by one of the lawyers on our team that we can legally stop payment on the last bill until this has been settled because they're breaking the contract, not us. And about 36% of the gravestone cleaning is done out of like 4,000% what? Out of 100% Yeah, well, out of four, over 4000 gravestones that need cleaning. So it's a big project, and about 30% of priority one, maybe a little bit more, have been accomplished. Priority One is broken gravestones that need repair. However, the last one that they worked on turned out to be much more of a project than they had expected, and is costing a lot more. Is this because of the delay that it's in worse condition than when they first assessed it. I don't know. The other is priority two, which are small chips or cracks or tilting, and that's point zero. 6% has been done on that. Now. Another concern is, did we to do too big a project, including all three cemeteries? The reason we did is because Lake View has never, ever been done, and whereas the other two have had well, North has had two rounds, South has had one round. This is being their second. So if we're going to be fair to the whole community, we need to do all the cemeteries that are under our province. So again, it's, it's, I can't comment anything more, because I don't know anything more until they meet in the meeting has not occurred yet. Susan Weinstein: So in the having, you know, taken on the three and that some how much of like North will be done, that will need to be done after this project, and same Unknown: with South, that was not. Yeah, told to me, Okay, I'm sorry, Susan Weinstein: in the whole scope of Unknown: they have been working on all three cemeteries, so I don't know what percentage of each I'm not Susan Weinstein: talking about this particular project. I'm just saying, like, as we plan ahead, what kind of work should we envision for Lake View? What kind of work? Because not all of it fits the criteria, right? Of, is it all historical? Yes. Oh, when did we stop using it? Unknown: Well, the sections that they're working on are historical. Oh, I know, yeah, like the lake view is the oldest portion of the Senate area and so forth. But no, I don't know, because I'm not in charge of that project, and I can just tell you what it's been reported at the meeting the I think, think they've been doing a lot of work in the north it. This is a guess on my part, that Lakeview didn't have that many priority ones, so they may be completed, but North and South would have had more priority ones than Lakeview did. Susan Weinstein: Okay, I was just curious. You know, as we envision the next Well, five years or 11 years, yes, you're right, and I'm assuming that we don't need to put aside any more money for stones bridge. Unknown: Isn't that marvelous? I hope you all have gone to visit stone bridge. I will tell you that people who repair cemeteries and cemetery associations and so forth. Every five to 10 years, you need to go back into that cemetery and repair and fix because ground heaves. Whether we all know that it's there's acid in the rain, all affect these gravestones. And so just expect to have the cemetery come up repeatedly because of that factor. Susan Weinstein: That's what I would have thought, yes. And also, there are ones that are getting older that maybe didn't, Unknown: yeah, yeah, ones that may have survived up to date, maybe tilting or cracking or vandalism may have occurred. And so, so we're going by the guideline, and most towns set aside funding to do this for every five to 10. And 10 is a real stretch, although Wayland has been known to do that stretch, don't Susan Weinstein: put up till tomorrow, where you can put up till day after tomorrow. Unknown: So anyway, that's That's it, and we're very pleased and proud of stone bridge being completed. Susan Weinstein: ADU, hear anything from the library about their needs? I Unknown: have not heard anything from the library. I think there are several people have expressed disappointment in the fact that there are stairs on a project that was supposed to make it available for people in wheelchairs to access the library without stairs. So now, whether they're going to use that door in the children's room as the wheelchair access or when they complete the elevator, whether that will suffice, but yeah, now I came down. I went attended a meeting last night, and I asked if it was lighted, well lighted, because I went upstairs first, and I had to go down and around. And they said, Oh yes, well lighted. Well, it is, till you make the turn on the back and the steps at the top are not well lighted. They're very dark. And then about halfway down you get lights again.
Was a light out. I've walked out. I didn't at night, yeah, yeah, right around the corner, like the desktop, the stairs, yeah. You know, I see the light when I leave at night. You know there are solar, aren't they? The lights on? I don't know whether they're solar or not. They're about yay high, yeah, solar panel. So well, it was a night. I didn't notice a solar panel, but so I don't know why. If there was a light even there, I didn't even see one, but there was, I wasn't particularly looking for light. No. And walking. So I don't know. I honestly don't Susan Weinstein: know, and and they're like historical document collection, Unknown: I think the previous local history librarian has done a really good job on. Doing a lot of preservation with that. They have a new local history librarian, and I have not met with him that often like I did with the other one, because he also has three or four other hats in the library, and I'm assuming that's taking up his time, though, I honestly don't know. Okay, anything from the railroad? I'm sorry. I can't bear anything about railroad development. I know that they've made some progress. I was wondering, right? Well, our goal, which was done 25 years ago, is to make that a destination point where it's an instruction, where the engine house was and the turntable and the water tower and all that. Right now we're still focused on the signs that are going along the rail trail. We just the designer is back, so she's starting to work on the signs the there's been a contract for the designer and for the sign for better word builder, the one that's creating the manufacturing, the science for us, and the one was it, MBTA, no see something or other starts with a C, C u r, c, r, u something. PCR, who the permanent PCR owns it. They have walked the trail many times with our representatives. Had marked where benches are going, where concrete pads are going, where the signs are. They have limited the number of signs. They don't like the reading level that we have, they don't like the number of words we have. They don't like the number of acts that are about other things along the railroad, other than specifically the Railroad, which are all historical, like the Mill Pond, with the mill and everything else, but I think we've come to an agreement now it's up to the designer to take that agreement and make it into a really good sign. And she just got back from Europe, so hopefully that'll be done soon.
Susan Weinstein: Thank you. Appreciate all that. I'm sure there are like buildings and stuff we should talk about, but Unknown: nobody has come forward to or talk to us anyway about any buildings that require attention or anything like that, doesn't mean they aren't there. They are, and crowd heard is in good, in good shape for now, actually, no,
right? Yeah, it's really well, I don't know if, if you like living in 65 degree weather all summer. It's great. That's historical
Susan Weinstein: Ice Age, Unknown: not when you're wearing three coats. Susan Weinstein: So what's what's to be done that? Unknown: Well, there is a drainage problem that it's been causing issues with the foundation. There's some touch up on pace we recently had what appears, we don't know to be sap dripping in the center of the house on the first floor. So can't be a leak from the roof when we have to find out what that's all about. There's still some structural issues in the foundation and the beams that have to be determined. Susan Weinstein: How old is this house? 1740,
Unknown: I know I'm thinking, in the middle of the house, why is there, sat there. Where is this water coming? That it's going through a being that this dark brown stuff? I mean, I have to dodge it every day. I want to go up and down stairs. So I'd like to know where it is, and I'd like to be able to seal it up or stop it. And I have volunteers that use that I don't want it in their hair. I don't want her in their clothes. And it's the closest stairway to the bathroom, the one and only bathroom in the house. So it would be very nice to get that fixed. Susan Weinstein: Okay, well, you all know where we are.
Unknown: Something else on that list in the email, me and in the minutes that we talked about before, I'm sorry I don't have a printer, and neither does a graph or has ever printed to print this off
Susan Weinstein: assessor's records. No Unknown: real supports, but the real. Support. Thank you. Well, no, as far as I know, I did not hear any report on anything on the rail reports, and then usually talked about assessor's records. I guess that's it. I thought there was something else, Susan Weinstein: but we were anticipating that there would be another round of assessor's Unknown: records, right? Yes, that's our meant that's is inquiring as to whether or not we should go forward. And I had Rob and I are setting up a meeting to talk about that. Susan Weinstein: Wouldn't there also be town clerk records Unknown: I heard, and I'm not going to report on that, because I've only heard rumors, nothing direct or official, so I'm not going to come. Susan Weinstein: I'm just thinking in terms of like we had designated a certain Unknown: I know, and as I said, I've heard nothing but rumors. So I don't want Susan Weinstein: to comment on we're just talking about needs of the town, so Unknown: I understand. And as I stated,
Susan Weinstein: moving on, Sean is not here because he has a ConCom meeting right now. Unknown: Can I talk a little bit about that? Please do sure you know my observation, and having done a lot of work that you know before I joined the committee that led to the purchase of 27 Sherman search road is as a practical matter, the opportunities to purchase open land for conservation in this town are few and far between. I mean, you know when I remember when the CPA town meeting article was being sold to the residents of the town, specifically, main stone and the Lincoln Road fields were spoken about as high priority items that you know, if you build it, they will come the only other major land you mean, if they Don't build it, they will exactly, precisely, yes. And you know, since that time, I think 27 Sherman Ridge Road has been the only appreciable purchase, as with main stone, if a gotta have it, property ever does come on the market, we have the ability to issue a bond. And so as I think about conservation, and then you get into the situation of things like York Road, where conservation is the sponsor, and it's on conservation land, but it's actually a passive recreational amenity, so it needs to go that way. But the other thing I become aware of is, you know, looking at the open space plan and the updating of it is, there's actually about 36 landowners in town who have 61 a or 61 easements. And I'm familiar with that because I'm one of them. What's the B? Well, the B is recreational use, and I have a is agriculture, right? Yes. And I happen to be one of them whose land has absolutely no conservation value or recreational value. But as you look at a lot of these other owners, they have areas that you know appear on a past open space plan. They have areas that would be really neat links to current trails. And I'm wondering if you know if a long term strategy for the Conservation Department, and perhaps a is to identify those properties and get into discussions with the owners about, hey, you know you need to sell this at some point we actually write our first refusal on it. Is there some way that we can work with you now to set up, you know, whatever trail easements, or whatever we would value, so that you know when the time comes for you to sell it, you know, it's a rubber stamp for the Select Board to say, yes, we've already, you know, worked with the owner. We've gotten the conservation value, recreational value, in place. And you know, we won't exercise the way the first refusal, um, explain that to me. What do you mean? We, we use, we, we as the town, have the right refusal of what? So when I bought my house, we're moving through the purchase and sale agreement process, and there's this then, little known codicil that came up to said, Oh, you mean, like, I gotta wait for the board of selectmen of Wayland to say they don't want to buy because my house I bought was under a 60 1b tax assessment at the time. So five acres, or, you know, taxed at a recreational rate, and part of taking that tax abatement is that you have to agree to 60 1b Right? It was not familiar, yep. So you buy you that necessitates you. You about conservation land? No, it No, it is. If you have land of recreational value, and in many cases that overlaps with conservation value, you can apply for and get this tax abatement, but, but part of necessarily a but conservation doesn't know, but about half of, I'd say about half of the 36 properties under 61 a or 60 1b have areas that conservation and or recreation would see as value things, yeah, as assets that would be very interesting to look at, like which ones we target, Right exactly? Yeah. So, you know, I need to talk to Linda Hanson about a little bit more, but I want to surface that, you know, we were going through an open space planning process. This should be part of that. And, you know, there's potentially a way for this committee to play a role in facilitating those, you know, by easements or whatever, Susan Weinstein: did they finish the updated open space and recreation plan within the past couple of years? Unknown: I don't think so. I think it's I think we're funding it through way, through admin funds. And I haven't seen much on it. I haven't seen anything on it so on. I forgot the name of the mike blade soccer there, right offline Alpine, yeah, so I tried to get one of the landowners, and I can't recall the name of the road to the south of the Alpine, to allow an easement through their yard. Yes, so you could continuously walk. We try to walk from our house to other towns and, well, it's funny you say that, because a few years ago, I think it's like at 86 Moore road, the former cab estate. The tamposi family put in a conservation cluster development there. And as part of that, they gifted the town a horseshoe piece of land, which includes a perfectly good path for more road up onto, you know what is both the tentacle pipeline right away and Sudbury Valley trustees land and, yeah, we've had preliminary discussions with conservation and the AMC about potentially building what would be about a 400 foot boardwalk from there over to the end of the trail known as Castle Hill Road, which would would provide that through access. And the AMC interest is that would become the bay circuit trail, and would literally take about 1.7 miles of Bay circuit trail off of roads including Sherman's Bridge Road without a sidewalk, the sidewalk on route 126, unless you're on Ward and make it a, you know, half mile shorter, nice walk through the woods. Could we pay for that easement, as with CPA funds? So if that, well, in this case, we don't need, I don't think we need an easement. The land is all townland. Oh, all right, SVP land and or, or is actually the pipeline, I think runs on National Wildlife Refuge land, but the pipeline has an easement, yeah. So if you can get a easement for a pipeline through a National Wildlife Refuge. I would hope you could get one to put a boardwalk on top of it. Maybe, maybe well administration, yes, yeah. But my question broader is, Could we talk to owners joining conservation land where we thought it would not impede their property about as much, and then provide money to them to pay for an easement precisely. Can we? Yes, yes, all right, I wanted without 60 1b Yeah, although I love that, and I think, you know, to merge our thoughts, that's exactly the sort of cost effective ways to use the conservation money, because we'll never have the chance to buy land with it. Yeah. Secondly, I would submit to you that the land under 61 A and 60 1b you know, the owners a have already demonstrated interest in conservation by offering public access and taking the tax abatement, or they just wanted tax abatement. Yeah. But you also have to tolerate strangers, right? It's worth the conversation and. Second they may be motivated, because this makes the sale process so much quicker. I imagine in the database, do we? It's as as ers, the Yeah, the software I could search for 60 1p properties. It's not that easy. No, I've got a list, but give me your personal email and i'll send I will. All right, I am curious, because we walk a lot around here, and one of the you can be our Field Scout the when my wife and I got married, we did our honeymoon in England, and one of the things we found fascinating was walking, yeah, from town to town through properties and farms and Dave different laws than we have. It's public land unless it's not Yes, yes. And I thought, wow, Weston's done such a nice job. Lincoln has not so much Wayland and Sudbury, but would love to connect more trail. You'll be interested in what I've done. Island, yeah, I was waiting to get my hip replaced. I had nothing better to do. Oh, really, when you get that done? April 3, I got it done. August 5, new Ma, hopefully I'm not there yet. Susan Weinstein: One of the goals of the open space and recreation planning, especially the open spaces, to make more things continue. Yeah, and I think it's an Unknown: important part of wayland's value proposition of a town as a town, and wanting to keep people of all generations here that we invest in this stuff. Can I ask a question here? I understand I have a map of all the horse trails in town, so my understanding is that there are easements for all this property because somebody was selling their father's property and said, What's this easement for horse trail, and it is in their deed that there is an easement for it. Wow, at one point in the 60s or 70s, there were like 60 or 70 horses in town, and they were being ridden all the time, which is why the horse trails were created. And the library has a copy of that map as well. That would be, and I thought you'd be interested in, you would be interested in that, yeah, you have to watch where you step. So that means that people can walk those trails, right?
That's how the easement is written, okay, whether you have to have a horse that you're riding, doesn't say what kind of horse one of those horses or lead a horse.
Susan Weinstein: I did want to say that Community Preservation Act funds can be used to purchase an interest in land, and so it could be the entire
Unknown: Lincoln Road. You skipped over that, but didn't Wayland, yes, right? So that that's an example of an interest, yeah, Susan Weinstein: as is main stone, Unknown: yeah, yeah, the 27 Sherman Ridge full and bridge full and free and clear. There you go. Susan Weinstein: Let's go on out and do some hiking. Unknown: Yes, indeed, I'm digital Commonwealth. We might find where is Susan Weinstein: Lincoln Road? Yes, it's North going up 126 and it's on the right, if you're going Unknown: doors, oh, your child, of course, yeah, it's like a DEP partial dirt path. And walk down and pulls up right, yep. Got you Okay? I Okay, Susan Weinstein: so the thing that we'll need to do is follow up about the open space and recreation plan, because the thing that I see is most recent on the town website is the survey, yes, that conservation and recreation wanted input, and that was from October. Oh, so a year ago, Judy Haun-Ping Ling: Susan, I have a question. Susan Weinstein: Passed away. Judy Haun-Ping Ling: All right, so you guys mentioned Sherman Bridge Road, and you guys probably heard about Sher. And bridge itself needs some I'm not sure it's restoration preservation, but basically, Department of Transportation is very, let's just say they're they're letting us know it needs to be repaired. And my understanding is that it's a very old bridge, so there might be historical reasons that that we would want to fund some of the repairs through the Community Preservation Fund. And there are people who use that bridge for recreation in the sense of their whether they're fishing or boating, doing something around there, is that something that would would be a project for for this group, Unknown: not under Historical funding. That bridge was rebuilt in 1992 and although they could, they had a petition of over 200 people signed that they wanted it to remain a wood bridge. And my understanding is that even if they don't put asphalt over it, what is it? The name of the woodland? Lee lamb wood, which is not wood, and that for, I mean, it's, it's wood, but it's not the original composite. Yes, that it would have to be if, if it was used with historical fence, but planking would be, would be eligible. It's something I would have to look into, but it's more logical, because it was wood planking there, yeah. What about the launch area to the side of the bridge? Well, that's definitely threatened by the current plan. What do you mean? The current plan that the DEP, DEP use of Wayland and Sudbury will present tomorrow night has both extending Steel guard rails to block the launch areas, but moreover creating catch basins with a 12 Foot, 12 inch reinforced concrete pipe that would run to a dry well or similar structure that would dominate the launch ramp on the west side of the bridge. I bet that ramp is only about 10 to 12 feet official launch spot. Or is it? It's because it's crude. It's crude and it doesn't have a sign saying, you know, this is a DC air launch spot, but I can tell you, it's very busy. Oh, it is busy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, there they get stuck on the problem. Oh, isn't there. There is a sign on the Wayland side, yeah, and it, but it isn't designated as a launch area. Well, it's caught. The sign is, actually, I believe the sign is, it's a Kia, six inches into federal, national wildlife refuge land, and speaks to the Wildlife Refuge. But it's a very popular launch spot, and unfortunately it is. When I was there late at night, there were at least seven people there launching their kayaks, yeah. And when I asked people if they were local and what they felt about the bridge and so forth, they said, well, as long as you don't affect our launch site, we're okay, yeah. But they were very upset about the possibility of not having access to the
what meeting is that tomorrow night, at 630 at the Fairbank community center in Sudbury. Sudbury, there is a quote visioning session being sponsored by the DEP W's of Wayland and Sudbury, and I think it's actually may be run by the Marlboro based consulting firm they've hired to try to help with the quote, public outreach, where they're going to talk about their proposal to Put asphalt on the bridge put Steel guard rails and basically use a very motor vehicle centric approach, as opposed to respecting the desires of all Steel guard rails Are because the ADU line, or the hill requires no it's a putative state requirement, but there's been no detail as to, you know what types of roads and what type of speeds allowed would necessitate these putative state requirements, nor whether there's a grandfathering for historic structure. Or those on scenic roads, or those that bisect national wildlife refuges, for that matter, but the launch itself is on Wayland lane. No, the launch itself would be on fish and wildlife. That's a really good question, actually, because yeah, according to Yeah, it's on fish and wildlife land. I mean, you know, there's a right away, right which surrounds the bridge, and, you know, you probably have the actual property line between the right of way and the US government land somewhere smack Dave in the middle of each of two ramps.
Judy Haun-Ping Ling: So it does not qualify, because it's not historical. Am I hearing that correctly, Unknown: putting, putting glue lamb on would not qualify? That's right. Putting definitely that would not right. But the other thing I'd like to suggest to the committee is, if the recreation department supported it, there is a proposal if you are going to open the patient up and do serious modifications and repairs, this would be a wonderful time to put a second platform on the opposite side of the bridge, a second walkway, given the number of people who walk there, who fish there, who bird watch there, etc.
Oh, walkway. A second walkway. First one there is, there is a first one on the west side of the bridge, which, you know, you're always seeing a sidewalk. There's a sidewalk on that, well, I call it the north side and, well, technically the bridge takes a left turn, so it's more West. There's, there's, there is one side that has a walkway, oh, of the bridge, of the bridge, of the bridge. All right, sorry, I thought you meant this side, but past the bridge on the ground, no on the bridge, no, sorry. Susan Weinstein: So I, I mean, I guess we should well. So who pays for the work when it gets done at this bridge? Judy Haun-Ping Ling: So, 5050, I think Sudbury and Wayland, right. Unknown: I think there's a contract between the two towns, because they announced the the signing of the contract. There's a inter municipal agreement between the two towns where Wayland is actually the paying agent, and Sudbury is bound to reimburse Wayland for half of what it pays. But if in that the state is offering, and Judy would know as well as I but I think the proposition is that the state would buy furnish about $300,000 worth of free blue lamb to the towns and and that would be their income contribution.
Judy Haun-Ping Ling: That sounds right.
Unknown: So is there an if the metal guard rails don't need to go up on that side? Is there an opportunity for the for us to contribute funds to enhance the boat launch? Yes, yeah, you know, we would fall into recreation and so yeah, could help with their support. But yes,
Judy Haun-Ping Ling: all right, so Larry, think you can make it to
Unknown: that meeting. Tomorrow is Thursday. Thursday, the ninth day a list of the issues.
Does the planning board get the offer up ideas for the CPC? Susan Weinstein: I think so. You guys have a seat opportunity anybody can. Yeah, I know that even the planning board, Unknown: and I think the planning board has the ability to send they offer a letter or resolution of support on any matter it seems fit to any other town board, huh? Yeah, the given the planning board's mission, yes, well, so I'm apologize I read that propositional life agenda and on October 8 on the website, it doesn't it shows September 17 agenda. So I wasn't aware we were going to talk about ideas, but so I'm a little off guard, but and I'll talk to the planning board about their ideas. One or two come to mind, and that's the old landfill, and I know I'm meeting with the. Tom Fay and some local residents across at Oxbow on Friday, and they have their meeting for that property. But you've got, what, 400 people across the road, and as soon as the rail trail get built. There's going to be a draw to cross route 20 and get to the rail trail. So we're trying to figure out it's mass to T to get some sort of crossing, yes, at all, basically, yeah. And then we need a trail to get to the rail trail, which, you know, so we need to figure where that is and what it's made of, and meanwhile, they're trying to figure out what to do with property. And I've got an idea there, yeah, and that is, you know, with the likelihood of a stoplight or pedestrian crossing at Alta and the landfill road that I've always wondered if would be possible to run a doesn't have to be paid. But, you know, dirt gravel bike and walking trail from, is it water row where the DEP w is? Yeah, there's a dirt road entrance there. Run it through the landfill, yeah, which I think is pretty straight down the landfill road, and, you know, it'd be great and then through the old landfill to connect with the bike trail. And that'd be great connectivity. And you know, you do need loops there with the Bruce Freeman and the mass Central Rail trails. Yeah, oh yeah, agree. The but so that would be one idea, and I'll talk with the board to see what other ones there were great.
Susan Weinstein: All right, well, I think we were pretty thorough, yeah, and we can go ahead and close the public hearing. Everybody okay with that? Yes, all righty, is Unknown: there anyone on that has that
we need a motion, Madam Chair, to close the hearing. Yes, I move to close the hearing. Susan Weinstein: Okay, is there a second, I'm sorry, what was Unknown: that? Moving to close the public hearing? Oh, thank you. Susan Weinstein: Is there any discussion? We need to do a roll call vote? Judy, yes. Thank you. Leslie, yes. Larry, yes. Okay, yes. Doug, yes, yes. Thank you. All right, returning to the regular meeting the minutes of September 17. Have a set here. If anybody needs, I do need to make one correction, and that is that we inadvertently took Robbie off. So we'll put Robbie back up at the top instead of zoom admin, anybody have anything Unknown: else Robbie? What's your last name? So
ARPA D, unless you want to be zoom admin, no, Susan Weinstein: then your that's 10 years in admin.
Unknown: Yeah, is it I have another correction, please? It says historical society when it's really Historical Commission. That's what
Susan Weinstein: I thought, too. Town records on the back of the first page ie page two, my daughter, Unknown: take a look. Do you have a hard copy?
The agenda,
Susan Weinstein: and then it's one that's all the papers that we need today. Do you have a Unknown: copy of the agenda?
So they get for the meeting, Luke, Susan Weinstein: and there's another set of minutes that people anybody needs some
I could drop off.
Judy Haun-Ping Ling: Come on by. Susan Weinstein: I have no choice. It would be a very long trip if I didn't go past your house. I know. I should have crossed the street in like two houses down from me. So make the paper you're like, that was a good idea. Okay. Anything else those two amendments? Is there a motion to approve the minutes of September 17, 2025, as amended? Unknown: So moved. Thank you. Is Susan Weinstein: there a second? Second? All right, roll call both. Leslie, yeah, I Yes.
Unknown: Larry, abstaining, okay. Judy Haun-Ping Ling: Judy, yes, Susan Weinstein: thank you. Okay, yes. Doug, yes. Susan, yes, all right, groovy. Look at this. Go. Confession that I still do not have the final list of which projects are completed and which are not. I am happy to report that we have filed all of the necessary, I guess, reports with the state on what the community president, what each Community Preservation Committee needs to do for each town, I guess, is submit a separate report on each project that is approved so that it becomes part of this big database, and then have to, like, update it when it's completed and stuff like that. So all of our 2025,
projects have been entered, and that makes us eligible for the money. So yay. But Doug and I still need to coordinate and get some information from the finance department, just so that we can, you know, make sure that we have all of the final prices and things like that, so it's still working. And I think we pretty much talked about other things that we were going to discuss at this time. Unknown: Did I give the entire board an update on York Road or just, you think it was just us talking beforehand? But anyway, the one project to put the trail out to York Road, which seemed like was a little bit stalled. Pleased to report that on Monday, I went with three people from the Conservation Department and two people from the Appalachian Mountain Club, and they had flags and GPS gizmos and everything else, and are laying out the trail and confident that, you know, we're back on track, so to speak. Susan Weinstein: We're on the trail literally, yes, well, that's great. It's always nice to hear when things are moving forward, Unknown: especially when they were stalled. When they were stalled, yeah,
Susan Weinstein: everything's done with the with the beach, right? Unknown: Yeah, is the beach. And final value, we might get some money back. Just the glencing budget came up much lower than expected. Susan Weinstein: Can't complain, unless it was inferior fence. But yeah, and
Unknown: was it a good season at the beach? Yeah, they had a they had a banner season, I guess. Yeah, it can give you numbers, but no, no closures, yeah, well, that's the start basis. And what they've done about that, I thought was really remarkable. They I don't know if you know the recreation when somebody sees a visual bloom of some sort, then it closes the beach, and then the testing is done, and it's two or three days for the or even longer to get the Susan Weinstein: test. So they just blindfold everyone so that they don't see the balloons they Unknown: routinely test so they already have the answer in hand, so if they see it visually, they already have the answer that the water is safe or not. And I guess it, you know, the cost of keeping the beach open more than pays for the amount of the debt the testing, and that's the stroke brilliance.
Susan Weinstein: Very proactive, yeah. Department, good tonight. All right, credit, credit, given where did did updates, so I don't know any topic is, topics that were not reasonably anticipated. Unknown: Well, I just wanted to say that I may have misspoke at the last minute meeting, which is why I didn't mention it for the minutes I thought they had approved. The Select Board had approved paying for Historical Commission signage at the at that previous the day before Select Board meeting, but they may have agreed that they thought it was a good idea. But didn't vote on it, so I just want to correct Susan Weinstein: that. So does it still need a vote? Unknown: I've been watching the the agendas, and I haven't seen it come up, and I and their last time they posted minutes was August, so I haven't, I don't know what happened since that September meeting,
Susan Weinstein: I sent notice about the applications being available to many town departments. It needs to make sure that all of the boards know about it, but I'm assuming that you all have told your boards. Big assumption, or committees or commissions, and what is it? November 13 is the deadline, and I don't know that we can track whether it's been downloaded at all. Nobody has called the questions I did in the ICC Geo. I don't need to tell you that I was going to tell Doug was that I told people that they could call him yes if they had questions. Since I CC them, I don't have to tell them. All right.
Unknown: Deadlines, November 13, for submissions for funds for next year. Susan Weinstein: Yeah, because we have to go through and Yeah, Unknown: makes sense. But many, oh, we haven't received any yet. Susan Weinstein: Well, they only just became available. Judy has a question, yes. Judy Haun-Ping Ling: So if there is interest in providing funds to keep the boat launch. I'm assuming that would be a request coming from recreation. Is that? Is that right or open space? I don't know who does what Susan Weinstein: that would that would be the most logical, but it could also be presented by petitioners. Judy Haun-Ping Ling: Nice, but okay, Brett Unknown: didn't wanna get landed, and we'd ask Rick's opinion as to whether that was, yeah, how York Road worked. That was a conservation project that came over to rec last year. Susan Weinstein: So because conservation open space is for acquiring open space. And then what you when you're doing stuff on it, it's almost always recreation. Unknown: How was route 20, boat launched? Susan Weinstein: Done not by us, Unknown: probably the state, maybe when they did that Susan Weinstein: bridge, I would think so, yeah, that would make sense. All right, everybody, good. Is there a motion to adjourn at 7:40pm 7:41pm I'm sorry, did you say so moved Thank you, sir second, Thank you.
All right. Roll call vote. Judy
Larry, yes. Leslie, okay, yes. Doug, yes. Susan, yes. Robbie, thank you so much. Okay, bye.