September 10, 2025 – Historical Commission – Video & Transcript
September 10, 2025 - Historical Commission
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pursuant to chapter two of the acts of 2025 this meeting will be conducted in person and via remote means, in accordance with the applicable law, this meeting may be recorded which will be made available to the public on WayCAM as soon after the meeting as is practical when required by law or allowed by the chair. The persons wishing to provide public comment or otherwise participate in the meeting may do so by in person attendance or by assessing a meeting remotely, as noted above, we request public comment to be limited to two minutes per person. Note items may not be discussed in order, listed as all topics are subject to deliberation and vote. So thank you all for coming and Lewis, Richard Conard: do we need to introduce ourselves? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Because I was just going to say we want to start. And Anne, I'm going to start with you, since you're remote Ann Gordon: Ann Gordon Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and Amanda, Amanda Ciaccio: Amanda Ciaccio, Richard Conard: Rick Conard, Tanya Largy: Tanya Largy, Sherry Anne Bryant: Sherry Ann Bryant, Bradford Carver: Brad Carver Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and Kay Gardner-Westcott, thank you very much for all coming together on such a nice day. We're going to start with public comment. Dave, do you have anything that you want to say? Doug, I mean, I'm sorry.
Okay, so let's review the minutes and take a look. Yes, how do I tell that somebody from outside wants to make a comment? Jailyn Bratica: They would raise their hand, but no one is attended. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Okay, good. Thank you. Jailyn Bratica: Possible to I can see Katherine Gardner-Wescott: maybe Amanda, if you move to this end of the table. Jailyn Bratica: I'm sorry our TV was broken, so we've yet to install the new one. Sorry. Unknown: Hasn't bothered them, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I'm sorry, Unknown: so I can turn it back Jailyn Bratica: here, maybe
Unknown: it doesn't bother them.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I think that there was, is there one typo? I think Unknown: there are a couple. I did hear from Rick who had a few corrections to make. I can tell you what those are. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I think that would be a good idea. Unknown: Okay, the first one is on page two, under guests Abigail Shute and Mike Faia the Stones Bridge section, and I had misremembered or misheard what Rick said he had photos of the hurricane of 55 not 38 so it now reads, has some black and white photos of the hurricane of 55 which damaged the bridge and caused it to be closed. First, and then another change was just a typo in the on the following page at the near, near the bottom, WHC representative for CPC, there was a letter for in the word preservation didn't belong there, and the another one from Rick under Rail Rest posts on the following page, under the railroad section in the first sentence, to add the word a before railroad museum so it reads, found out that a railroad museum in New Hampshire. And I think that's all I got from Rick
see the archeology with that sound of Bill starlo. But he mentioned something about archeology you might see that you can. Didn't hear that to support this room, I'm sorry the camera name is great like that. Is it a voice? It's this,
Seattle. What I wanted to mention that we've been asked to put that notes up at the end of our minutes that we have materials which are shown at the meeting, and Mike and Abby brought the blueprints or maps for us.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: That was someone. No, it was Richard Conard: Brian. Brian. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Brian from housing, Unknown: yes, okay, and so it needs to be noted that they brought those for us to accept and store, right? Ann Gordon: You know, this is the difficult thing about participating remotely because I didn't see them. I didn't Yeah, yeah, well, so I'm happy to add that if you tell me what to say
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: the if you look at the Select Board meeting minutes, you'll see they give a long list of documents that had been sent to the members and perhaps discussed, but they never talk about what the documents were or so them. They just list them, and then I assume that you would have to go to the board to find out exactly what those documents were. But in the when, when I took the test again for the members, for being a member, being sworn in, in that it talks about minutes in open meeting laws we had to do, and it talks about minutes and saying that they should be listed at the bottom of the minutes. So that is something that I thought we should start doing. And I, I guess I informed Sherry Ann, but I hadn't gotten around to informing you. And I apologize, but if I think you were sworn in again this year too, so you, you will have to take the Open Meeting tutorial, and it'll tell you in that Unknown: like she wanted, would like to know about Katherine Gardner-Wescott: the word, right? So he brought the plan PLA and plan for 130 is it? 132 Commonwealth, 131 3130 Commonwealth Avenue, I mean Road in in Wayland, which shows the house and the property and the blueprints were for. Was it for the Cochituate school? Richard Conard: No, yeah. Cochituate schools, alterations, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right? So relational plans, changes to Cochituate school blueprints. Ann Gordon: Now, did he bring those Cochituate school blueprints because it was germane to something we talked about in the meeting? Or did he bring them Katherine Gardner-Wescott: to give them to you. He just brought them to the meeting to give to the Historical Commission, right? So is that but, but we did look at them. Unknown: We did look at them at the end of the meeting, Ann Gordon: in the meet, during the meeting, Unknown: no, at the end of the meeting, he thought, Ann Gordon: after the meeting. I Katherine Gardner-Wescott: mean, yeah, so we're storing Yes? He just so this is Unknown: to safeguard them. Ann Gordon: Yeah, so I guess I need to find out what the details are about how to do this, because that doesn't seem to me a document that was discussed in the meeting. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: It wasn't discussed in the meeting. He just brought them to the meeting to ask us to store the in our office, in our math files. Ann Gordon: Well, I could certainly add that to the minutes.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And I think I sent you something about changes also. Ann Gordon: Oh, I didn't it was that recent Katherine Gardner-Wescott: here last night. Mike, did you have a comment about this? Ann Gordon: I'm sorry I didn't check my email today. Okay, so if you sent it in the last few hours, I haven't seen it Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well last night, but the basically was a typo that you've already mentioned, and also when there was a article about my writing up a bill to send a Cultural Council, and the response from Rick was not to do it. And. And I wrote in my email to you that probably from your vantage point, you see him shake his head no and say, leave it alone. And shake his hand say, Don't do it. Ann Gordon: So, okay. Well, so is that all is, is that in your email for me to Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Yeah, I think if you just put in the minutes that Rick declined.
Ann Gordon: Okay, so let's follow up. Let's see where that is in the minutes. If you wouldn't mind showing me what you mean, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I don't have the minutes. That's everything that I don't have a pleasure right now anyway. Ann Gordon: So does anybody have a copy of the minutes? Yeah, wait a minute. Unknown: Comment on something else, but you're the note about the display, the display in the entryway, yes, the figure 1985 come up for Rita Anderson's doing that because I believe she did that before in 1985 it Richard Conard: said 40 years, 40 years. Unknown: Well, I said about 40 years. But I didn't do the math quickly enough, because she actually did it after we started the Wayland archeology group. I can't remember the exact year, but it would have been in the late 70s instead of 1985 Ann Gordon: Well, I don't have the the date 1985 anywhere in the minutes. So it says 40 years ago. It says that the village was created by Rita Anderson about 40 years ago. Unknown: Yeah, that's what it says. That's what you probably said, Tanya. But you were just you were being very loose with your language, probably, and I'm having a lot of trouble hearing in this room. I can't really hear what people are Ann Gordon: saying. So Tanya, is it? Is it accurate to say that it's been there for about 40 years? Unknown: It's about 40 years, but it might have been what is 40 years? It's really longer, and it's been since the late 70s, years to say more than 40 years ago, probably 45 years ago. Ann Gordon: Now, how about if I say it's been there for more than 40 years? Unknown: I'm sorry I didn't make that it's actually been there for, yeah, more than probably the late 70s. Bradford Carver: So, Tanya, if it says it's been there for more than 40 years, is that? Is that okay? That's what I thought would be. Okay. Okay, so more than 40 years? Okay,
Ann Gordon: and then, Kay, you were, can we get back to your Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I'm trying to find the email that I sent you, because I think there was more than that also, okay. Ann Gordon: I'm sorry I didn't check my email today. I'm finding it. There's typo. Rick declined the submitting of a bill for his work and funding for the rap Katherine Gardner-Wescott: that was shortly after that. So what you're Ann Gordon: doing? I should. I should. Unknown: Or Janice, I mean,
Richard Conard: okay, that's what I was doing. Okay,
Ann Gordon: let's see if we can find that in the minutes, so that I'd get this right
Unknown: end of rail trail and railroad Yes, last paragraph. Ann Gordon: Last paragraph. Unknown: That's what we're referring to.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Yes, thank you. And who declined and he declined.
Ann Gordon: I'm sorry, I'm not finding it. Can you say that again? Where is it? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: If you look under Rail Trail and rail road? Yes. Second paragraph. R Connor gave Oh, and
Ann Gordon: then do you want me to add after it says and they voted to approve? What do you want me to Katherine Gardner-Wescott: just say our Connor declined. The submission Unknown: at the end of this I got it,
Ann Gordon: declined, the reimbursement,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: the submission of the invoice for invoice, thank you. That's what I was looking for. Ann Gordon: Okay?
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And then I see, did you see under guest Abigail shoot in my car that you misspelled my name? Ann Gordon: There's an Yes, I'm sorry about that. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And then on the RFP for the vital conservation of vital records by the town clerk's office, there was a sentence that says Kay Gardner Westcott has spoken with the town clerk Judy about her concerns for referring back to me. And actually, it was not my concerns. It was the historic commission concerns that were discussed at the previous meeting, or at that meeting on that day, actually. So I will clarify that it was not my concerns, it was the board's con, the commissioner's concerns. Unknown: Okay,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: got it Okay. Those are my comments.
Thank you, Rick. I
anything else do we have a motion? Bradford Carver: Move to accept the Meet the minutes. Second motion. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Any other discussion? All right, let's vote by voice in Yes, yes, absolutely. Amanda accepts the I'll say your name. Amanda, yes. Brad, yes. Cherianne, yes. Tanya, yes. Rick, yes. And K Yes, thank you. Unknown: Okay, what's next? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: The Annual Report, and you all got a copy of what was sent out, and we have any comments?
Unknown: I make a motion, no comment.
Lots of comments. I had a question under Community Preservation Committee funding a display case for the towns, Boston hosting I thought it was still Wayland historical societies, Boston post cane, because the historical Bradford House Museum owns the cane. Ann Gordon: I see, okay, Unknown: so it should not be the word town, in my opinion, there as the owner of the cane, we are loaning the Wayland Historical Society and museum, and the museum is loaning the cane to the town for display,
Ann Gordon: right for
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and they like to be referred to as Wayland museum for society, right?
Ann Gordon: Okay, Unknown: that sentence about the display case for the town's Boston first Ann Gordon: pain got it. Unknown: And then I wondered if somewhere we should have that we do continue to monitor the preservation restriction at 105 playing road that I didn't see it in what you had written for the annual report. So my suggestion would be that we add that, that we that's we do, that we're supposed to do that every year. So by the way, aren't we supposed to follow up on the church, on the school house, too?
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: You mean on the original High School, on those? I don't know if that's a deed restriction, when plain road is a deed restriction, which requires us to go all we do have. I don't think that was a deed restriction.
I made my comments to you on my email to. You, if you pull up your document, okay? And in the email, Richard Conard: I just had a couple comments under stones bridge that was really a facilities department project, and we worked with them and supporting the project, but they're the ones that did the work. I just want to make sure that Katherine Gardner-Wescott: we did the applications to the CPC for the payments and so forth. That's why we're involved in monitoring what was going on. And I believe that started in 2012 and I thought it would be interesting to note that it started in 2012 and it's finally finished in 2025 or 24 except for the landscaping, as noted
Unknown: Rick and Tanya they went to who are probably saw this through the entire Katherine Gardner-Wescott: arc of the well, it took section two completion, and it took three rounds of CPC funding to actually pay for it get it done.
Unknown: Okay, so if
Richard Conard: we're talking about a suggested illustrations, stones bridge, go on a cover of the town report, considering the amount of a nice picture of the completed bridge, right? And whether we include that in our section or try to advocate that it got on a cover of the Tom, well, I Katherine Gardner-Wescott: think that we could, you're talking about the images that I sent out, right? Maybe we could hold that discussion until we finish with the actual report, because we all know people like to look at images when they're flipping through the town report. That's what catches their eye to stop and read what the report says. Ann Gordon: So can you walk me through your comments? You talk, we're still on the stones bridge paragraph, I'm seeing your comments saying native plantings and flower boxes is the goal for future enhancements. It was already decided that facilities wanted that. Is that a change you want me to make? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Or are you just Yes, it is because I was reporting that that was their goal. They had already decided that's what they were going to do. We discussed the fact that, yes, the roots wouldn't get into the brickwork or stonework, and we all agreed with that. Ann Gordon: All right, so where it says are being considered, you're asking me to change that to something like will be implemented, or, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: yes, because it wasn't done in that year. So that's a goal or something in the future that they're planning on doing. Okay, I was just trying to make the distinction. Ann Gordon: There. Got it. Okay, all right, so I'm just going through your comments again, Kay, I'm sorry I didn't I didn't see this earlier. In under house plaques, a new vendor was selected, font and design approved. Was that this year Bradford Carver: I was going to say, is that this year, I think it was the previous year? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Oh, okay, thank you. And disregard that. Okay. I was wondering, do we have a number of how many plaques we did this past year, or replacement? Bradford Carver: Maybe two. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So maybe we don't need to include that. I was just questioning whether or not we wanted to include that.
Unknown: I think she's
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: still looking at the comments and then, Ann Gordon: yeah, I am so under archeology, you are asking to add information that says discussion for the need of a new bylaw that prohibits The use of metal detectors or unauthorized digging on public land with the police chief. I'm sorry. Unknown: Get that the bylaw that you talked about should be already against the law. Don't have it so as far as I Katherine Gardner-Wescott: know, no what I'm asking is you. Discussed that with the police, Unknown: yes. So, Tanya, I thought it was already against the law. Tanya, what I thought it was already? Tanya, she's talking. I thought it was already against the law to use. I to use metal detectors on, on, oh, yes, it is okay. It is. So then, why do we why? Why are we making it a bylaw? I don't understand, not just monitors, but anybody who goes into public land for some purpose of finding things. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, the question Tanya is, is that already law, or didn't someone check by Unknown: law? It's a bylaw that the police chief suggested we should have. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Okay? So the police chief suggested it to you Unknown: did, okay, but, but it is already a law that they cannot use. It. Was he aware of the law? Yeah, well, he might be aware of the law, but I don't know if the public is so we could, we could advertise it, but what's the goal here? Did you want signage? I'm just I think signage would be good. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: The question, though, is Ann Gordon: no, that's this is this has to be what we did last year. This is our report about what happened last year at our all of our meetings. So I think Kay is suggesting that we should include in the annual report that you had a conversation with the police chief about this issue. Unknown: What did you discuss with the police chief exactly because I'm I'm confused, because the police chief should know that, that it's a law, so I Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well that that's it, regardless, that the point was that she brought it up at the meeting that the police chief suggested that a bylaw against metal detectors be passed. Unknown: But, but wait, why would he say that if it's all the law that doesn't make sense, though, see, I don't know why the Basic Law is not well known, but so he suggested we needed a by law to make it illegal. That's what he told me, even Ann Gordon: though, can I suggest that? Excuse me? Unknown: Do acceptance, judgment, Ann Gordon: friends, can I suggest we we drop this for the annual report? It was not something we accomplished. It sounds like it was a conversation. And I don't think it belongs back to us. That's I don't think it belongs in our annual report. Unknown: Well, it would have to be by town meeting, I think, for Well, I Bradford Carver: think, I think what Anne is saying is, for purposes of the annual report, it was a discussion. It wasn't really something that was, was an in depth discussion that needs to go in in the annual report. Because what we're talking about now is what goes in the annual report, I can is saying, I agree with her. Let's just leave it out, because it's not really pertinent Unknown: to hear what you're saying. Well, also, yeah, it should be documented. I think if, if we're gonna, like you said, it needs to be an accomplishment of Katherine Gardner-Wescott: some All right, I agree with everyone. But the only reason I and let me just explain why I brought it up. Because if it was something we were going to follow up with, it needs to be shown that it was discussed. And the problem was we were made aware of the problem in that year, and we started talking about it. I have no problem with dropping it. I'm just saying that's why I thought it should be in in the annual report, because it was brought to our attention by Tanya, and there was some discussion about it then, as there is discussion about it now and but I'm happy to let it go. Bradford Carver: What I would recommend is we added to one of our future meetings as an agenda item, yeah, and then it's listed as an agenda item, we'll have a follow up discussion about it at that time. Unknown: It's not a done deal, yeah, right, yeah. So I would suggest we'll follow up with the police chief about it. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Yeah, absolutely. Okay, moving on.
Ann Gordon: All right, moving on. Unknown: I wanted to know when David retired from the arc biology lab, was that during the last year? Well, it wasn't an official retirement. I know it was him. Recognize it was actually over a year ago. It was actually 2020. 2024 may ish of 2024 okay? Because we've never done a recognition. No, it is, I know Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well, we've never recognized individuals Unknown: before. But now we apparently are, well, we're Katherine Gardner-Wescott: changing power. Policy, which is something else that we think need to discuss, because we've always been a team before that supported each other, work together, and Anne recorded to me on the very first time she wrote the annual report for me for this board, that at least I had suggested that we do not use individual names, that we are a team, that we work together, we discuss things, and we come together for a decision. And therefore names are not mentioned. And this is a big change by listing people and saying what activities they they personally worked on. Okay? Unknown: Also, though the archeology lab is a little bit different than the Historical Richard Conard: Commission. Unknown: Well, that's part of it, yeah, but it's also it's kind of the volunteers in the lab are not necessarily on the permission, yeah, if we right, but, but my point was, if we were, if we were recognizing one person who married no Margaret and Margaret, oh, why Margaret leaving
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: personal comment about her, then saying, what a good job. Oh, I see. Unknown: We either don't we just, I'm thankful for senior tax write off participants I see, or now following we want to be sure we don't exclude people who I see. And David was, recognition is my point. Okay, Ann Gordon: so Kay, are you? Would you prefer that I take all the individual names out of this report and make it more generic as a as a commission accomplishment? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: That's what you said to me the very first annual report that you wrote, and you have adhered to that up to this year, that everything is a team effort, and we are all working together for these goals, but this year, we changed the format. Ann Gordon: I apologize I wasn't paying strict attention. Apparently I didn't. I didn't quite realize that, so I'm happy to go through and take all the names out so that nobody gets individual mention.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: How do other people feel about it? I mean, I don't want to be making the only decision even I Unknown: think it's good. I think it's hard to be consistent. I mean, I think we should recognize David, not in the annual report, but separately,
Bradford Carver: I agree being generic, not specific, names make sense, okay? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Rick or Tanya. Do you have a comment on that I didn't hear right? Okay, then I guess we will ask you to rewrite it so that it's a team effort that we've all worked together on these projects, either by support or actual work.
Ann Gordon: Okie doke, I can do that.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Any other comments there?
Ann Gordon: I'm just looking at the rest of your comments. Kay,
you asked about the signal at the depot was it completed and placed on the depot it was in our 24 annual report as having been very near completion at the end of that fiscal year, so We have already included it in last year's report. Unknown: So Katherine Gardner-Wescott: but it wasn't up and working like it was this fiscal year. But the fiscal year we're talking about,
Ann Gordon: I think I can't tell you the exact date, but it was in last year's report. We can repeat it if you think that is what you want. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, Rick is thinking. He's trying to figure out whether Richard Conard: I think it was substantially completed last year. So okay, we did this year was the illumination was done,
but I wouldn't include it. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Rick is saying if he doesn't feel that it should be included, even though more work was done on it this year by adding the illumination to it. So we'll let that go. It was just a question. Ann Gordon: Okay, and then I think you had one more comment
on the 2/50 anniversary planning. I had a sentence that says, WHC members serve on and support the Wayland road 250 organizing group. Your comment is what I guess you're asking. Why that's plural members, WHC members. You say you've never seen another WHC member at any of the meetings, right? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So we have a representative on the 250 would be sufficient that were represented on the 2/50 committee? Ann Gordon: Well, I've been doing all the publicity for all the events, so I'm not on the group, because I told Mary I would help her with publicity, but I didn't want to be on the committee, so I feel like I am contributing, but if you would rather keep it official, then you're right. You're the only one on the committee. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, I'm happy to say that, you know, there's a reference. There are people working with the committee and on the committee, if you like, that's happy with that. Ann Gordon: Well, that's why I said serve on and support, because some of us, you serve on the committee, some of us support the work in other ways. If you feel like it's a stretch, I'm happy to change Katherine Gardner-Wescott: it. I'm happy to include everybody that's supporting as well. And that's it. Richard Conard: Tanya had a comment about the word the wording archeological demonstrations Unknown: exhibits would be better. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Did you hear that? Anne, Ann Gordon: well, where are we?
Richard Conard: Anniversary, the next to last line, instead of archeological demonstrations, okay, suggesting archeological exhibits, Unknown: okay to do anything, but we'll have our cases with the artifacts in Ann Gordon: it, and that's okay. That's great. Thank you, man, thank you. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Another very good job. I think she deserved the thank you again. Ann Gordon: I will send another draft to everyone after I make these changes. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Now, has everybody seen the images? Those are just some image images. We can choose other images to include in the report, and that's a separate email and that you may not have seen yet, but it should have come. I'm opening it now, okay.
Ann Gordon: I mean, also we don't know what Jailyn will use when she puts a report together, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: or I Ann Gordon: don't know who puts it together, but we can submit what we want, right? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And those are just images that I had available to me last night. If other people have other images that they've taken during the year that they would like to to send to Ian and to all of us to see what one of them was. The for those of you that didn't see it, the woodwork, the workings of supporting the arch while they worked on it, so it shows all the wood. Call there Sharon, if you want to come around here and see this, so that both Amanda and and you can see it together. One of them is a completed arch, so you can see underneath the bridge, which a lot of people don't get to see. We're just one is of the 55 flood that caused the bridge to be the land on the other side to be removed. And we also have,
this is the 55 one, where you can see the flood waters going over the bridge. You can also see it connected to the Framingham side and and for cemetery cleanups, all I had were pictures of clean cemetery stones. That's all I had last night. And then, because we're supporting the 2/50 we could put a small 2/50 emblem next to that, or, you know, in that paragraph. Or whatever. But again, I Oh, I think there's one of Josh doing repair work in the cemetery, actually, right? And the others, the other two, were cleaner stones. But you may have photographs of activities that happen that are better. Bradford Carver: I thought the photographs were great. I i guess the 250th anniversary, or symbol, I thought, was probably the most appropriate, just because it's a 250th Yeah, I thought. I thought that the pictures were fabulous, but I thought, given it's a 250s I thought that probably made the most sense. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, it doesn't. We can have more than one picture. Oh, then put them all in. I
Bradford Carver: thought it was just a cover. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: No, okay, we can put in pictures. They may take some out, but we can put them in to the to our submission. Unknown: Maybe, can you indicate, like the your your Katherine Gardner-Wescott: preference? Do you have, do people have licenses, if the 250 is a Unknown: preference, for instance, and then right, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: if people feel that, because sand can always say we this is the order of our preference on the photographs. If we don't have room, we would like, really, like A, B or C to be included, Tower, Hill, signal Unknown: cabin should be in there. That's this Katherine Gardner-Wescott: year's. That's this year, not last year's. I know we're talking Unknown: fiscal year, right, right. Richard Conard: So it was completed before June 30 of this year. Oh, it was last Katherine Gardner-Wescott: fiscal year. Oh, well, I can send you pictures on that too, because we have, I have those pictures. So, yes, absolutely, because that's a wonderful thing. Oops. But I can do that later. Unknown: And even the restoration of the Tower Hill sign next to route 20 that Katherine Gardner-Wescott: was rebuilt, yes, and that's your photograph Unknown: that went in the newspaper, that was done even before the signal cabinet sometime during the year. Richard Conard: Oh, it wasn't our money when it was the insurance company of the vehicle. Unknown: No, it wasn't our money, but it was, I don't need to add her view, historical, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: wasn't it? Because you spoke up and asked Unknown: your efforts. Ann Gordon: So let me revisit something. Rick, you just said, Are you saying the Tower Hill signal cabinet was completed before the end of this fiscal year that we're reporting on? Richard Conard: Yeah, it was completed just before the end of June. It was here. So, oh, so for last fiscal year? Oh, actually, it was an accomplishment. Has done last, last school year. It's great. Ann Gordon: Oh, well, then I think we definitely need a photo of it, and I need to change the write up, because it says, what, what I I didn't think it had been completed before the end of the fiscal year. So I said that the work on the installation continued. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Yes, I agree with you, and I thought it wasn't done till after the fiscal year. So I totally missed that myself. I
Ann Gordon: uh, so I should change it to say the installation on the cabinet was completed. Yes, okay.
Richard Conard: With the grant from the Cultural Council, yeah, Ann Gordon: yeah, that's already it's in the in the first sentence, Unknown: there are
Ann Gordon: oh, okay, so I think I know what to do, and I will send everybody a new draft once I make these changes.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Okay, I just sent everybody a photograph of the Tower Hill wrap that was completed. So have you seen it that's completed? Yes, cool. Oh, my God, it's awesome. Isn't that awesome? I love. But cannot, terrific, Unknown: nicely done
picture,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: very cool that tells what year the mail was put in. Me. So thank you again, Ian for all that hard work and putting it while she's on vacation too, everybody it's supposed to be spending free time relaxing and enjoying herself. Okay, what's next? Unknown: Wow, I mean, and remember what it Katherine Gardner-Wescott: looks like after two scrubbings by Rick, that's what it looks like Unknown: scraping that whole
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: thing. Yes, I will just Yeah,
can we have a motion to accept the rewritten Annual Report without having to meet again? Unknown: So I moved second
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: the annual report we're voting on whether not we want to accept the rewritten annual report when Ian finishes, so that we don't have to meet again because it's due at the end of this month, and that means another meeting this month, which I think we would all like to avoid. Looking for a vote, yeah, not yet. I'm asking for any discussion at this point. Unknown: Oh, I thought somebody said, so low. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: He said, So moved. It's been seconded now discussion by Robert's Rules of Order, and then I can have a vote. No discussion, all right, and we're going to have a vote. We're going to start with Anne Unknown: Yes. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Amanda Brad, yes. Sherry, Ann, yes. Tanya, oh, they can't hear you. Nod your head. You have to say yes. Thank you for Rick, yes. And Kay, yes. Unknown: Thank you. This. Go to the paper. What did this? Go to the paper? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: It was sent to the paper, and they did not put Unknown: it in what you've got both you're friends with Katherine Gardner-Wescott: what's I know, and I sent them several different shots. So yes, let's see we're open. So I think what we'll do is, if people don't mind, we'll take Sherman bridge activity and move that forward in our meeting. And would you like to come sit closer and participate Doug? And Doug, I owe you an apology. I stated that I had sent a letter to several boards. As it turns out, that was for stone bridge, not German bridge. So I'm sorry for the misrepresentation. Sorry, Doug, do you want to move it? Yeah, you need to be around where people can see you need to move or no, he could sit right down here next to Brad.
Unknown: Uh, Sean I just talked to, the situation is necessarily service to read 20 year old words. So every 10 years or so, this German spreadsheet topic seems to pop up. And first I heard of it was the August 4 selections meeting where they discussed a cooperation agreement with sun dairy. July 15 was the DEP W meeting, where they gave some discussion to about 10 minutes. And I think the situation is basically that the detection has been found to be acceptable by the state.
Here file the public records request today, got the engineering reports of another engineering but I think what I was able to discern from the July 15 discussion of the DEP w is that the proposal and there actually may be a public forum on this October 1 and Sudbury for residents of both towns, but I think the issues are with the decking of the bridge itself and not the under structure. That the proposal will be to replace the decking at a total cost, about $1.6 million which would be split accordingly between the two pounds. I mean, I don't know if you want. Flooring gun in your house, but it's 100 foot long bridge that's one feet wide, so that's 2000 square feet. So do the math there, and on the cost, they mentioned that the July 15 meeting was that mentioned that it might be done using material called glulam. And glulam, I think, is a m and a wood composite. Tom Holder said something interesting that blue lamb is classed as an asphalt derivative. Sorry, say that again, blue lamb is classed as an asphalt derivative. I saw an email with Tom on Monday asking, why is it an asphalt derivative? I mean, I think what it was probably being, the stuff you see is, you know, engineered beams and stuff and glued together. And it's the blue asphalt, or, really, Tom asphalt, or whatever. And I think if, in fact, it's glue lamb, it looks like wood, it will hold up longer. That actually may be a reasonable option. I, for one, certainly would hate to see the historic wooden nature of the bridge pampered with, you know, we love our bridge. We love the six wooden events. Both an architect and Cliff Lewis himself told me that, you know, the under structures is very, very solid. It's also coated with creosote, which is going to prevent, you know, deterioration. I'm not sure you could coated with creosote over sun today. I think the current bridge was built around 1990 you know, been talking to folks in the neighborhood was going to about 50 people on the topic, you know, the old you know, you've heard it from the mechanics, from your surgeon, that, as long as the patient's open, is there anything else you should be doing? And I think this is an opportunity to look talk about, you know, maybe doing more for the passive recreation that happens around the bridge. I mean, it is a major place for numerous kayaks and the occasional bass boat to the launch. It's a great place for bird watching. You have basically two square miles of the central meadows and the National Wildlife Refuge visible from the bridge. It's a very frequently used road for bicyclists, especially with the new bike paths opening up in Sudbury, because it's the only way to cross the river that's not on a numbered state or federal highway for about eight miles in either direction, and it's great place for folks in the neighborhood and others to take a walk. So, you know, one of the things that's being discussed is, you know, would this be a good time to add a second pedestrian walkway on the south side of the bridge? Kind of common compliment the one already on the west side of the bridge. And an architect in the neighborhood hasn't even suggested, well, that would be great or be even greater. And he thinks it would be relatively easy to cancel you for this is to pump it out, you know, five or six feet further in the middle, and have some sort of picnic table or place for the community. Did you mention fishing? Fishing? Yeah, so I forgot to mention fishing. I mean, one of those heart warming things is when, you know, when I ride my bike down there on a Saturday, or even, you know, Wednesday after school, and there are a couple 10 year olds fishing out there. So same, bigger people than that doesn't warm my heart quite as much. But you're right. It's a great place to fish. And the other topic that brings up, of course, is that, yeah, it's a given all that passive recreation use, and given just the nature of Sherman's Bridge Road, it happens to be the hilliest Road in town, along with Woodbridge on an elevation change per mile basis. Should we do something about following the traffic through there? And you know, I know that Sudbury, as Lincoln Road, which joins the bridge, goes rather, we are hill. They have a 20 mile an hour speed limit there. I think you probably do a lot with a 20 or 15 mile an hour speed limit. I think you could do a lot with painting, you know, bringing bike lanes and making it clear the car should be going very slowly, and then, you know, deferring to pedestrians and cyclists through the stretch from the bridge right up to number 61 Sherman's bridge river so and the other thing that we've talked about for a long time is basically the town and or the National Wildlife Refuge owns that stretch from number one Sherman's Bridge Road down the bridge, where the existing walkway is on the west side of the bridge and should be there. A, either a formal or, shall we call it a, don't ask, don't tell footpath there for all to use. So, yeah, that's my understanding of the situation. And I think, I think the historic nature of the bridge certainly speaks for itself. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: But so are you advocating for a wood platform to Unknown: go across the world. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I mean, I think everyone involved, who does not build or hire people to build roads for wants to see the historic nature, and part of that is a wood bridge with wood decking. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, at the Historical Society, they have an article, I believe, from 1987 talking about petition that everybody have to keep it right, a wood bridge. And it's from a historical point of view that would be the nature that I think that we, after discussion, could possibly support, yes, Unknown: yeah. I mean, I think first, well, first, you know what I think this happening so far, is that the wooden underpinnings of the bridge would stay wood, and then the question is, what's the best alternative to fix the decking? Which is what the state finds insufficient? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I guess that is what. And you would like the decking to stay wood? Oh, absolutely, yes. Okay, that's what I was really the Unknown: question is, I think one of the first questions is whether this blue Lane stuff looks like is wood and looks like wood. Richard Conard: How do you spell that? Is that? Unknown: When I Googled it, it's G, l, u, l, a, m, the Wikipedia article, I found out it said nothing about asphalt, um,
Richard Conard: pertaining to the historic nature of the bridge from I looked at our Historical Commission files this morning that Kate had had our volunteers pull out, and apparently the current structure dates from about 1991 or two. Yeah, the entire bridge was replaced as part of a timber bridge special funding program. Yes, so there are copies of these copy but the current Ridge is not in and of itself, historic, Unknown: right? Historically is the Richard Conard: predecessor bridges, and the fact that there was a bridge at that location does make it a historic site? Unknown: Yes, yeah. And the previous bridge, I believe, was built in 1925 renovated 1947 and from this article and other sources, it sounds like it was absolutely beyond repair. From the photos, it actually looked a lot less historic the current bridge. Richard Conard: The current bridge does look historic. Yes, because it's built to timber bridge. Yes, design the decking. I went out there and looked at it myself, and I can testify that I got some creosote. Yeah, crawling underneath the beams from underneath look like they're in great condition. Yeah, it's just the decking, and the vehicles rattle when they go over the decking, and I can see where the decking is in a ship. But, and it's curious that the bridge is not posted. I mean, from what I have seen, if it was a weight, you know, structural issue, it would be posted. So I assume there are fuel trucks. Unknown: And what would there? I'm glad you raised that, because I'm always wondering, here's this beautiful bridge. We have semi trucks going over all the time, especially from retail landscapes. Yeah, it has a couple of large places in sun Bernie. We've got five or six school busses a day going to Lincoln Sudbury High School each way. We have other big trucks that went by. And we've seen, you know, the road itself is not intended to be a major partial throw up there, and why has there never been like, you know, a common sense weight limit, like five Tom put on it while you were discussing the annual report and stuff, I was searching on Sherman's bridge. And, you know, Lewis at a Board of Public Works meeting a couple years ago asked the same question, and the response was, Well, that's, you know, ask the Select Board, because they're the road memberships, yeah, maybe that's something we should be asking the road commissioners for. Richard Conard: So from the material you sent out, I guess the bridge is expected every six months now, instead of two years, yes, yeah. So if you were able to obtain a copy of the inspection report today, Unknown: I've got it in your back. I just don't have to say I got it, yeah, Richard Conard: that would probably indicate the structural condition. They probably identified the deck as the as the issue is, I just Bradford Carver: took a quick glance right now, and I think that's what it's done back and make sure. So I so I understand where we are currently. The discussion is to put this glue Lane decking on which it looks like some sort of wood or wood composite, is that? But the current thinking is, I think so. I think that's what, that's what will be revealed on October 1 of the public forum, okay, and, and this is a joint effort between Sudbury and Wayland. It's had a cost of 1.6 that would be split between the two towns, with a little bit of an aspect, like the driving motion on that. And that is, I think the state has offered to pay for the cost of materials, which is around three or four. And do we know if Sudbury and or Wayland have actually allocated the money for that? Yet, on the July the take of the July 15 Board of Public Works meetings, Tom holder basically talked about, they have the latitude and the way that the funds are allocated, where they, you know, for instance, publish the list of streets expected to be repaid in the next fiscal year, to jump the key for this project, if it makes sense. Okay, yeah, because I was going to say, if the money hasn't been allocated, nothing's going to happen for a while, but, but I understand the same I think they feel they have a latitude for, you know, the six or $7,000 from cost Wayland to move it up, right? And I guess, because it's, it's a new bridge, meaning 1991 it's, it's built to historic standards, which is, which is great, I guess. I'm not sure if, and I certainly think I love the way it looks.
But do we, and we can certainly opine on what we would like to see happen. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, we can, as historical commissioners in protection of the history of Wayland, we can certainly push for wood planking to go on a decking. And the second that's one thing. And the second thing, and especially when you were discussing adding another pedestrian walkway, is concerns about possible archeology disturbances there, because Castle Hill sensitive side, it's within a half a mile. And there are other sites that are also within half a mile of the radius. Plus, I would think the Sudbury Valley trustees would also be concerned about that as well, and so we would want to be involved in any digging that would be done. There wouldn't be any digging. Well, you have to put the posts in for Unknown: recording the architect, and you've seen the strength of thing. I think you just cantilever. The way that the existing walkways is cantilever on the other side, Bradford Carver: basically just putting some additional 45 degree angle posts on the bridge. I see nothing you do in the Katherine Gardner-Wescott: kitchen now, all right, I understand. So they would have to get as far as the bridge before they would have the pedestrian walkway Right, right, instead of building a platform at either end of the and having it as a separate I'm sorry, I didn't understand that. Unknown: Okay, Doug, can I ask you a question? Is that so there is no opportunity, no chance for us to retain what at this point? Um, it's pretty No, it's, it's, I think we're looking at a different type of board. That's what's being proposed. Yeah, that's being proposed. But, I mean, there's no opportunity for us to say we would like the state to consider changing the the types of vehicles allowed to cross and and the speed with which they cross Diana purview. I'm just asking, yeah, I think that's a stance that residents could take. Okay, I of course, would prefer number one to stick with wood right and then right. If we can't, if that is already off the table, then the next best thing is something that looks like what? But I, I just wanted to understand if that was on the table. So it should have the tape and, yeah, and you know, the question is, the complaints are, and the issues are, is that the rough cut was there and the bolts take a beating and get loose and pop up. The question is, would that still happen if school busses and track? Trailer, so don't go over Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well, unfortunately, I don't know that we have much impact on the traffic or the speed limit, right? It goes over the bridge, but we can certainly advocate for wood planking and work with the Sudbury Historical Commission, which is pretty powerful in Sudbury, to support that idea, but I don't know that we, other than individuals who may or may not want to support but as a commission, I don't think that we have much say in the other Unknown: understood statement, right Katherine Gardner-Wescott: anybody else have questions or comments. So like in 1987 Yes, 1987 setting up a petition for neighbors and people who use the bridge. I was there looking at it also, and the first night that I read about the meeting, and I thought to myself, well, these cars are not going 20 miles an hour. They're not and they're coming from Sudbury. Most of them are from Sudbury and but even those that were headed to Sudbury, we're speeding right along. Yeah, it's interesting. Unknown: There's actually not much that much traffic on Sherman Road, except during morning rush hour, particular, especially it's work on those something we've got a stop sign a couple of years ago, there a fun fact is there are 200 tour cars a day going west on Sherman's Bridge Road, and east, there more people use to Avoid morning Katherine Gardner-Wescott: rush hour, but after to avoid route 20 and so forth, right? Unknown: And, of course, the complicating factor during the morning rush hour is you have a bunch of probably 7516 or 17 year olds driving to Lincoln Sudbury High School, one way, with folks held back through Boston. The other way. But if you mail those mailbox posts
Richard Conard: and stuff, Unknown: there's some model cars that use that as a bathroom, because Sunbury Central and 126 and especially, see a lot of them. And, you know, I think it's probably picked up a Watson squeeze and Google Maps data. Bradford Carver: Actually, I can tell you one of the reasons why there may be discrepancy, because Gleason language I live on, okay, is also a cut through, yes, but they have turn restrictions there during rush hour. Now, okay, they're probably directed on insurance, so there's some assuming there's some structural symmetry, yes, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right. Well, when I was there, it was late, it was around seven, and there were and I wasn't there very long. I'm long enough to walk across the bridge, we're back again, and go down and talk to a few kayakers, but there must have been a dozen cars that went both ways. So there was activity in the evening, other than rush hour, is Unknown: what I'm trying to say. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So it is a concern, and I have reached out to Chris Hager at Sudbury Historical Commission. I have yet to hear back from him about anything, but honestly, I was unaware of the October 1 meeting, and where is that going to be? Unknown: Oh, that's likely to be in Sudbury. In Sudbury, whispered, so Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I wrote down Sunbury, but I didn't know where. Yeah, so any other comments or questions Unknown: or didn't hear what you've said last day Katherine Gardner-Wescott: of the October meeting that will be a combination of Wayland and Sudbury to discuss the bridge is going to probably be held in Sudbury, so we have to keep an eye out to see what that is. And I said before that that I reached out to Chris Hager for to hear what his committee thought, and I have not heard back from him. On anything else you want to share. Unknown: No, I mean, I just, you know, obviously, any it's great that you're offering to work with the Sudbury Historical Commission and state the views of the Wayland mission. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Further stories in the post about this, Unknown: we see a screen to post about us and other other media. Yeah, it's, it's interesting things like the West weekly article popping up all the time and, and there is a, you know, it's interesting story. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: It is. And we're here to try to keep it as historically accurate as possible. We can do that if it had sleeping in funding. But since it doesn't, Unknown: or you forgot the word yet, yeah,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: you'll see. Okay. Thank you for coming in. I really appreciate that
Unknown: agenda.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So we're back to Wayland festival of help now. How many of you are familiar with Wayland festival that's going on on October 4? Jerry Ann, is it is kind of an outreach of a combination of multicultural festival and touch a truck merging together to honor the town in the community, the organizations in the town. And it's also an entertainment for lots of different organizations to come forward and show their particular, particular artistic skills. And so we have been invited to have a table there. This is an opportunity to show that there is a Historical Commission and what we do, it also helps us to help them understand that we're not the local the historic district or the historical society, that we are own entity. We're the only state approved legal entity for the town to preserve the history of the town, and what we do, how we do to do that. Now, of course, a lot of interest would be in the Native American artifacts that we have that we can display, and there should be some identification of what the article is and what it's used for, because not everybody here is familiar with Native American artifacts, but it is a very long day. It is almost nine hours. It doesn't mean that we can't leave early if we feel the traffic is down and we're exhausted because we are a small group of seven. But it also means that we have to share our time on October 4, and we have to be there. Not one person can be there all day. And it means maybe an hour and a half to two hours, depending on your ability to stay, I have asked for a table. They do not provide any covering from sun or wind or rain, so we would need something to help us with that, Unknown: especially to perfect our exhibits, protect all what our exhibits of artifacts. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Yes, our artifacts. But I also want to show beyond the Native American that we also are interested in historic buildings and our flag program and things like that. So what I need is people to sign up for hours, and unlike Sherry Ann, I did not have a chance because I don't have a printer to print off a sign up sheet. But I will be sending one out, and I expect all of us to participate the best we can, and I know that I will be covering two different tables at two different times of the day, so I'm not real sure that I can give you more than two hours or three hours at the Most, but and the most important part is the setting up, which starts at 930 in the morning, and then the taking down and returning items to the lab into the office, which means not just dumping them there for the next time somebody comes in, but actually putting them away, so that when the lab opens and the office opens again, it's presentable and people can work in there. I also think that we need to talk about how to present some of these items, because presenting things, we can have a plaque of folder to hand out we can have a plaque actually there. How do we show the interest in the historical buildings in town, not just houses, but buildings as well. And I understand you already have. Boxes of Native American artifacts that you can bring that you don't have to do anything for Unknown: that. You have several. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So I need everybody's thoughts on this, because I certainly don't have the answers.
Bradford Carver: My immediate thought is that, first of all, it hasn't been terribly well advertised. I didn't know about it until you told told me about it, but, but I think you can have much people just kind of wandering around. And I think if you want to grab their attention, what you're probably going to need are like large, ultra sized photographs that would grab their attention. And what, what I'm thinking of are like the stones bridge, for example, the cemetery stone pictures that you have something that are all in Wayland, maybe a picture of one of the older houses in Wayland. But I think that you need three or four large polter size photographs that are going to draw people in and then you can talk to them, or perhaps have handouts and explain what, what we do, how we go about making those posters, I'm not Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and budgeting for it, right? Because we've had, we have speakers lined up that are going to take up most of our budget, because we're limited to $1,000 so this means budgeting for pictures at Staples or wherever that we decide to get them done and and how to set them up. You can't just leave them flat on the table, because nobody will notice them, and you need some sort of support for them, because otherwise the blow away and wind all things that we need to think about. But I like the idea of the pictures, because, like you say, we can't bring stone bridge there. We can't bring a house there, that kind of thing. Any creative ideas and your heart? Ann Gordon: Well, I was not clear on what you said about the budget. Is there money for us to pursue ideas like Brad's? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, we have Dennis Picard. We have to pay for Yeah, we have the Native American speaker that Tanya is negotiating with to pay for. And did we think Francis Perkins? No, that's out of the 2/50 that's the 250 Well, if we do Francis Perkins in cooperation with the 2/50 we were thinking that there might be some funds left over for speakers so that the commission could also get credit for bringing Francis Perkins to this children, the high school children, her speaking there because she's more expensive to speak to them only because they have over 200 people. They said that would be in particular, would be in the audience to watch her, and our price goes up according to the size of her audience. But this is important, and it's something that we can use again later on. So we may say we just don't have the money for Francis Perkins. And so Bradford Carver: can I ask about Tom resources? I mean, we're a commission of the town. Does the town have, like tables, a table and a chair and that sort of thing that they can provide? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, I asked for the Wayland festival people if they would supply the table and chairs. So I have not heard a negative on that, so I'm counting on that. But as they clearly said, we have no sun protection or winter rain production that totally is up to you to participate and take care of so and as far as I know, there's no funding pot of money in the town that would pay for any of the things that we've been talking about. Unknown: Well, Rick and I last Wednesday, went up to the recreation department to talk to them, and Peter reference with Francois, yeah, is who we spoke with Yes. And he said, Oh, we can always get new tables at no problem. But he didn't say anything about the overhead, though, so, but they are trying to bring a tag from the Museum of our national air. Of Egypt to this event. And I think there were some logistic problems trying to get that, you know. So he told us about that, and we were interested to hear that he would make sure that we would try to get a table so Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well we already have the table. We do. I mean, we have the site. She has not made the table plan, so to speak, like you do for a wedding of where everybody's going to be. Also, I have just a question. Do we want to be seated next? Should we ask to be seated next to the Historical Society? Or would you rather be in a location that was different, so that people would clearly see that we're two different organizations, and also history gets hit twice, instead of all in one spot, or you want to combine them together so that we make a bigger impact on history. I don't know which way you want to look at it, I guess so. I'm asking for opinions.
Unknown: I think in some ways, to be separate but close by would be good, but to be together would be also good. I think that way we could explain the difference between our organizations.
Bradford Carver: Is the historic district Commission also going to be there. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I have not heard that they are we, because we're an active group where the historic district is more an inclusive area that only affects a certain number of people, but whereas we affect the whole town, the society affects the whole town. That we've been asked to participate. Bradford Carver: My reaction would be that the two should be next to each other. Unknown: Okay, I had a complete opposite. I had an opposite thought. I thought we should be the complete opposite side of this face, Bradford Carver: but I get my i That was my first thought when Kay mentioned it. But then I thought, but people are going to go to the Historical Society, and then they're going to go to the Historical Commission, and somebody's going to say, Well, what do you guys do? What what you're going to say? What's the difference between you two? And for that reason, I thought just put them together, because they're going to ask the question, what? What's the difference between the two? Unknown: I do, I do think we have to avoid them going to only one, thinking that they're the same thing. Agree and and I think that that will, that will have to do with how we decorate each part. Decorate each one, I guess Katherine Gardner-Wescott: what we present, right? Yeah, I kind of agree with separation, because one is town supported or town active, and the other is a 501, 3c independent. They are asking for memberships. We don't ask for memberships. We could create a pickup handout that says, What's the difference, if we wanted to go that far, but it just seems to me that while history is the same interest. We have two different sets of goals here, one for the commission in the historical society, for theirs. So that was my reaction, but I can see your point that.
But will they be? Will we have more of an opportunity to explain the difference if they come up and say, Well, wait a minute, I just saw the society over there. What do you do versus I'm at the society table and I'm walking away because you're just more history. Bradford Carver: No, it's good. Yeah, I don't, I don't disagree with anything that the two of you said, but we Unknown: don't, but he's but you're right. We don't want, we don't want to have a colonial image of a house that happens skip our table because they already saw a colonial house with the Katherine Gardner-Wescott: other it's a our house doesn't have to be colonial because it doesn't have to be a colonial Unknown: No, no. I know that's what I'm saying. I think it's all about how we present, present it, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right? So Unknown: unfortunately, it's with the black soap. So the plaques are a very cool feature that we can profile and promote. Yeah, right, but, but you know that, so I almost that's something i. That might lead them to think, you know, with the homes, I don't know that that's, that's the only, that's the confusing part. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: The The other thing is, I hate to say this, because I know we're using up a lot of time, but we're not meeting again, unless you want to meet again, just on this topic. But decisions have to be made today, because the fourth comes before our next meeting, I think, doesn't it? Yes, yeah, so decisions have to be made today, although I will send out sign up sheets to everybody later. But we have to decide what we're going to promote, what we're going to show, and how much money we can spend out of our budget. Unknown: Yeah, that's the question. If we start at 930 when is the official end Katherine Gardner-Wescott: at 636? Um, seven. Now whether they stop at six and say the last half hours for packing up, I don't know. I haven't heard that one way or the other. I've just been told 930 set up. Unknown: 630 10 o'clock opening, according to the town site, it's 10 to six, and this the official hours, okay? And so set up is before that breakdown is after, right? And you have Tom 10 to 610. To six. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Also, you have to realize that I don't know where they're going to tell you to park. So how, how heavy, or what you bring, you probably have to carry to your site. My understanding is the tables are set up along Andrew Avenue. That's the road with the little bumps in it. There will be a parade that will go down Andrew Avenue, and so people will be walking in this, probably in the streets as well as the sidewalk, so which means there may be people behind you and people in front of you. You can't leave the table unattended, because they're expecting 2000 people, based, I think, on the multicultural and the touch of truck, uh, people that have come before, forget the tech. Well, if the tank comes, but I mean, the point is, they're expecting over 2000 people to come, which means that we really, and nobody should say, Oh, I don't know anything about Native American artifacts. Or I don't know what you do is you respond and say, Oh, if you're really interested, give me your email and I'll have somebody who does know answer you, or you can divert them to some other topic that you do know something about. So even if you feel uncomfortable saying, I really don't know anything about this, because, for whatever reason, we still need your presence there, feel free to invite a spouse or family members or a friend to come and sit with you. If you don't want to sit alone at the table, because we're such a small group, I can't guarantee that there will be two of us there the whole time. Unknown: So and I asked another question, just where along Andrew Avenue are things areas where we're going to set up? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I have absolutely no idea, because she has not set up the table yet. From what my understanding, she's in the process of doing that, and that's why I wanted to put in a request of whether we wanted to be next to the historical society or a distance away from the Historical Society. Just what is the she, who's running a friend, Pollock, is doing the tables. Bradford Carver: It seems to me that Tom Green, you know, the the banks of grass, no, on Katherine Gardner-Wescott: the avenue. We're on the Avenue, the stage is set up for the entertainment. There at the base is going to be the porta potties and the where the performers will get ready to go on to the stage, so that's totally filled behind Ace Hardware is going to be the touch of truck or tank area. Food trucks will be down at the COA. And the Andrew Avenue would be the thoroughfare between all these venues. Bradford Carver: Well, that would tell me, then they're going to close off the traffic on Andrews and the tables would be set up on the road. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: It that could be. But again, you're going to have people in front of you, right Unknown: behind you, be on the side, through that through the tables. Bradford Carver: To be on the sidewalk, right? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I would think we would be on the sidewalk because of the parade going through, but that's first thing in the morning, and whether they'll say, Now, move on that. Move yourself down into the street or the people on the sidewalk. I'm not no. I've been informed. Yes. Ann Gordon: And Tanya, are you asking because you're worried about how you're going to get your artifacts to the site?
Unknown: Well, I'm not too worried about it. We can just put them in a Ann Gordon: car and drive them over, right? I think we can certainly drop things off close to where we're going to be. I think we can drop our things close to the site, and even if we can't park close. Yeah? So okay, you're looking for us each to sign up for maybe a two hour shift. Is that the bottom line? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Yeah, exactly. Well, there's seven of us. So if people take a minimum of 90 minutes, maybe some people will have to work a little bit longer than others. Or if you wanted to be generous, and do a two hour shift, that would be even better. And that would include, that does not really include the setup and take down. That's an added time that somebody would have to carry the stuff and put it on the table and carry it back and then unload it back here at Town Hall, or maybe keep it till Monday morning. I don't know if you can get in on the weekend back here at Town Hall, town building, Ann Gordon: yeah, I think that's, that's a good question. Well, I'm happy to sign up for a shift if you're going to send us a sign up sheet, yes, and it would be, I think it'd be nice for all of us if we overlap a little bit with each other, so that Absolutely, we're not just doing it by ourselves in terms of what to display. I really like Brad's idea of the large photos. And if we can rustle up a little bit of money from our budget to pay for that, I think it would be money well spent, because we could use them at other events. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So now I need to know what photographs that you want to I mean, if we want to print out a flyer application, that's money for printing that out, unless we can do that as a printer working in the lab. Do you know Bradford Carver: when a flat flyer application for flat, flat? Oh, well, that, well, we have the application that that's going to be on the agenda. I have suggestions on changing, okay, but that's just printing, you know, 100 applications. That's for 50
or 25 that's not hard. I can, I can do that. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Okay, so the handouts, Brad's going to take care of, for the plaques, Unknown: and have a list of once we decide on not qualifications, but guidelines for how you can choose a house to be flat, oh, to have at least four talking there. So those of us man and get questions, we've at least got something to look at, yep, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: which is the other big topic on the today's agenda. Okay, so black guidelines. What about choosing a house that to display? Unknown: See that's, I don't think we should, because I think that's, that's fairly confusing. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I don't think well at this, at this point in time, the plans are not to have any house display at the Historical Society. Unknown: But I think that they're just going to assume, if they see a historical home, they're going to assume that within Historical Commission, that it's, I think instead, that we we put either the bridge or we put either Sherman's bridge, since it's going to be in the news, or we put stones bridge, or we put a projectile point. Or, I think, like the Bradford Carver: tower, build train tower. Bill Ann Gordon: perfect. I think that the train signal at the DEP Unknown: signal, yeah, or, or your noi tower, Hill cabinet, some, some, some success that we've had recently
that's a better Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well, but the Commission also, and this is something else that will be brought up at a future. Meaning is Macris, which we all love to go to and find out about the history of the area and the house. We haven't done anything in that in a long time, and we really need to continue to research houses, especially in the Cochituate area. There's a lot been done in the north end of town, but very few done in the Cochituate town to be placed on the Macros. Macros is not a done deal. It's an ongoing project, and we have neglected to participate in that for a very long time. And it's time that we do maybe one house or two houses a year or something, but that's for later discussion. But what I'm trying to point out is the history of buildings in town, and it doesn't have to be a house. We could take a public building and we, we are people that are doing the history of it. We're the ones. Unknown: No, I can't get you and I, and I totally I understand what our mission is. I just don't want to confuse people upfront. That's all. But if you maybe it's just me. Oh no, no. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I don't want to put you on the spot. I'm just saying that. I'm trying to show that we have a diversity of history that we're interested in protecting, and I think we can discuss Unknown: that with people, and I think even if we have it on the table. But I think the big thing that draws people in should be something different. Well, I like, Bradford Carver: there's actually a blend of that. What you could do is going to have a photograph, have a photograph of a plaque on a house, say, an older house, zoom, kind of zoomed in on the on the plat, so you see it's an older house. You're not necessarily highlighting the house. You're highlighting the plan. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I don't know. Okay, maybe you could work on that, since I'm working on some of these other things, Bradford Carver: sure. Yeah, we have to work on the whole right photographs on the board. I'm not right that need, we need Ann Gordon: Brad, if you're if you're willing, I'll work with you on the photographs. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Okay, great. And, and what about the signage that we're planning on? I mean, people ought to know that we are putting out signs too, even though that hasn't actually happened yet, but we're working on it. Yeah. Ann Gordon: I mean, we don't have anything to show so nothing, you know, there's no photograph that we Katherine Gardner-Wescott: you have, you have the mansion in mock up kind of thing. Ann Gordon: I'm not in favor of that, because it's, it's just not a done deal, and it's something you know, that's been on our agenda for so long. I just, I feel uncomfortable that Katherine Gardner-Wescott: deal, but it is a thing that we have been working on for a very long time, and I have more information on that, which I will refer to after we finish this discussion, but just keep it in the back of your mind. I'm not going to forget something you don't want to do. Ann Gordon: Well, Brad and I will put our heads together and come up with a recommendation.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, do we have to meet again to come to a finalization that's why I'm trying to get final decisions today. Ann Gordon: Well, I don't think we can make final decisions in this meeting. I don't think we know enough about what photos we have access to. I feel like I have a good sense from the discussion that we're interested in, maybe a railroad subject matter like the Tower Hill signal or the,
I'm sorry, the Tower Hill signal cabinet, or the signal at the DEP, I think something like stones bridge or large structure in town, I personally would recommend a before and after cemetery stone, because that's a huge project. A lot of money we're spending from the town, and we should show people what they're getting for their money. Bradford Carver: And we have those pictures from Josh, yeah, we Ann Gordon: have a lot of pictures, and then maybe we do a close up of a plaque, as you suggested. Or maybe that's a smaller, you know, in a little Plexiglas frame standing next to the applications. That explains what the plaque program is, I don't think we everything needs to be in a, you know, big poster size photo.
Unknown: I would prefer to have a real plot as an example. Bradford Carver: That's more money, though. Price costs 70 bucks. We don't Unknown: have a good demo. One different, yeah. Bradford Carver: I have photographs of plaques that that we could blow up or make into there about the accurate size, but I don't have any
Unknown: accepted too Bradford Carver: just I can just take one off old houses, Unknown: a more recent one, and for us to show, Bradford Carver: actually, to that point we, in all seriousness, we have four applications. If we got one of them approved, I had to sign made before October 4. I'm sure the homeowner would say, yeah, we can borrow it for the Katherine Gardner-Wescott: What about the restoration one that wanted a new refresher plaque to replace the one they had. I would ask them if they put it on their house yet. If they haven't, maybe we could borrow Bradford Carver: theirs. Well, I guess that's what I'm saying. I haven't approved any of these yet. Oh, okay, but what I'm saying is, if we approve one or more of them, I could ask the homeowner, before it gets put on, can we just borrow the front I'm sure they'd say yes. I'm sure Katherine Gardner-Wescott: they were too Okay, so posters, and that's going to have, Unknown: I would suggest one of the posters to go with the pictures is to say Wayland Historical Commission. So you got a big name on our table? Yeah, I agree with that. I'd the tables going to be this thing or bigger Katherine Gardner-Wescott: or, I have not been told, Tanya, I have no information to give you. Oh, I could see Unknown: two or three artifacts. I wouldn't bring them all. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: You're going to have to be selected. What I would also suggest is on these photographs. Is this a collage that you're putting together? Are you suggesting doing an
Ann Gordon: I don't, I can't answer that. Brad and I will, Brad and I will make a recommendation. Bradford Carver: I guess the only thing I would say is they need. Each photograph needs to be large enough so that if you're 10 feet away, you can see it and say, That's interesting and walk up to it. As opposed to Katherine Gardner-Wescott: what I was wondering about, was a handout that explained a little, not a lot, a little history, like on stones bridge or on the road, Tower Hill, or what was the other one that you were talking about? Oh, cemeteries, that, this is a CPA project that that we brought to the town and are supporting, and what's happening, just a few lines or something, so that, if, say, if I'm talking to somebody else, and somebody walks up and they're just looking at the pictures and then walk away, but there's some text that they can read. It can be either in a handout or underneath the picture, explaining so that they're engaged while the person behind the table is engaged with somebody else. Ann Gordon: Yeah, I understand. I can, I can do that.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Okay, all right. Unknown: Well, there is a paper in an whole publication about the beginning of the Wayland archeology group that Bobby Robinson had written. How we got started. And I don't remember how many pages it is, but we could make copies of that. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I think that's too much, and I don't think people, they may pick it up, but then not really follow through reading on it, and we paid for the expense of printing it all up and so forth. So unless you can pair it down to a paragraph or so, you know that's of interest, but maybe you could probably Unknown: do it to one sheet.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: But again, we're talking about cost of printing, cost of doing public a colored, I assume, colored photographs, plaques, posters. And I was thinking that we should have a small 250 logo on our table, because we are paying for or not? Yes, we're paying for Anne's doing the PR. Are you for the 2/50 Is that correct Anne to yes and and I have gotten speakers which will have the commission as a co sponsor for the 2/50 and so we want to show that we are participating in that as well. I don't think it has to be as big as perhaps what you're talking about, but it needs the Yeah, the image needs to be there so people know that that we're doing. Do that, anything else that people can think of, be sure that you bring your own drinks don't dehydrate.
Unknown: Do I have a tent? I don't have a tent Katherine Gardner-Wescott: or cover or a large umbrella that you can attach to a table. Unknown: Tom and I were talking about that the other night, and he we used to have one of those tar things, but I think we got rid of it a long time ago. So did I? I mean, I used to have a pop up, but for soccer. But I don't know where it is in the mood. I don't know, somewhere in the bother of my Facebook. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, even though you may not personally own one, maybe you have a friend who can ask and see if they know somebody who has one. I mean, we don't have to limit it just to seven. We can spread out the ask for help. But we're not above asking for help on things. So you know, I would follow up on that by Unknown: being able to rent one. They're expensive. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: They are very expensive. Unknown: So Well, no, there are possible and expensive, Fonda and expansive Watkins, which you can buy, yeah, they're not that expensive to buy, but I think to rent would be at least. And Katherine Gardner-Wescott: also, if you buy the ones that are on legs, remember, you're on a sidewalk and a road or a road, there's no ground to stick the things into so that's another concern. Unknown: That's true. No pegs to go through the property, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right? And I think they'd be Unknown: happy, and that's a problem. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So you will be something you have to put sandbags on to keep it upright, or whatever. But that's just things to be considered. That's why a table umbrella would be really ideal. If somebody has one of those, or knows somebody that has one, has visited somebody who had one, that anything you might be able to borrow any other questions that I can't answer on this.
Unknown: Who's going to ask another question? If we want some kind of little poster printed up, what can we do? I'm not My hands aren't good for printing out posters anymore. I don't think so. Is there an easy way that we can get that done? When you say posters, what do you still I mean something about the artifacts and, you know, just a little thing to put out so people can see, read about it.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Are you talking about folding paper in half and having something here or, well, you could put that on a computer and print it out, and then if I can Unknown: get my computer back, it's been in Cambridge for months,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: but we do need some information about the artifacts, especially for those of us that are not as familiar with them, so we can read it and regurgitate it back to the public, so to speak. Unknown: Might have something in the office for you. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Might see what you've already got for labels and see what so choose carefully what you bring. Maybe you could just bring the things that have labels on them. Unknown: Well, I remember that the pieces of cardboard that Tom used to make, and he had that wonderful printing, and so he used to make some really nice things for exhibits. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And I would request, if it's at all possible, that you bring some artifacts that can be touched, that people can actually touch. Unknown: So we have one box like that, but I've got another box. Well, one box is over in the single way on exhibit. The artifacts are from the box, and then we have another one. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: People like to touch things. So if you if people like to touch things. So if we could bring something that the kids can pick up, or the parents can pick up, we have Unknown: a box like that. It says, Please touch Richard Conard: it's a white cardboard box. It's a cardboard Unknown: box about this, Fay, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: okay, and so you just have to pay attention that nobody walks off with something. Bradford Carver: But that would be my concern, because if you have, and I don't mean in a disparate way, to catch it all, but I could see a kid picking up a. An artifact and putting in his Unknown: pocket that happened in the third grade, and quite bit, right? Bradford Carver: So I'm a little concerned about, well, you have that many people walking by, things that you can pick up and touch, because they may not, they may be touched into fear. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, if you put the artifacts back here where you're sitting, rather than out front unattended, I think. And you could say here, would you like to hold this and see how heavy it is, or would you like to feel how the shape? And then you're right there with your hand ready to take it back. I think people are pretty good about doing I'm I'm letting a lot more people touch things in the historical society than has previously been allowed because you just do, you want to touch it. You want to feel what the materials like, you want to feel, how heavy things are, are interested. And I'm assuming that these are things that, if they did disappear, that it's not a major portion of Unknown: the well, no, but it's most of our heavy stuff. I don't know. We have no provenience on it. We don't know where they came from. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, then if that disappears, that's not such a big thing compared. Unknown: We don't have another and I could always come to this side of the table and stand there where you can, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: or any of us can, but I agree, I understand. It's a real do i or don't I situation absolutely anything else on this particular topic, because then we need to keep moving. You find Tom just playing Tom, oh, yeah, Can I just jump again to the 2/50 anniversary. The 2/50 anniversary, we have engaged history at play to do Deborah Sampson, she will be doing in the books theater on January. Let me see if I didn't What? No calendar. Save it 10. I want to send it 10s too, but I want to just double check
in January, oh, goodness, it's not here. I thought it would be here. I believe it is January 11 at 2pm what is going on. Deborah Sampson, history of play. It'll be at the Volks theater. Yeah, certainly tell your friends to save the date, so to speak. The other one is April 10. We do not have a venue at this point, but it'll be Frances Perkins, so she's going to be involved. And
as I said before, we're hoping to, on the same day, have her do a special Unknown: presentation. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Thank you, presentation on for high school students, because she's an important people that they should be aware of. And the whole goal of the 2/50 is to be sure people understand that the liberties that were fought for 250 years ago are liberties that we still enjoy and that we are still pursuing. So will be the same day the yes for the high school and the yes she's seven o'clock for for an evening performance for the Tom and now High School is yet to be determined, and that's just for the students. Anything else on that to 50th? Unknown: Wait, sorry, what was the date? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Or 11th at 2pm and Unknown: folks, oh, the 7pm Katherine Gardner-Wescott: the 7pm is the Francis Perkins, April 10, which is a Friday night this coming September 21 Gretchen Schuler is doing a walk to the historic district archeology walk. So we want to architecture, architecture, architecture. Thank you. I'm sorry so many A's. Um. So please sign up for that so they know how many people there. They're going to have a small reception afterwards on the front lawn of the historical society with 1700 recipe cookies. So to have a curiosity about what they taste like or look Unknown: like, what date is that architectural Katherine Gardner-Wescott: wall? Uh, September 21 Unknown: Oh, I thought it was this Sunday. Oh, see. Okay, first. Ah, okay, that's why. What time of the day to two o'clock? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Anything else on the 2/50 in case, this is just throwing this out. In case anybody's interested on the on the 20th of September, there is Apple Fest at the wayside inn, and we Historical Society has a table there and many activities. So if you have children or grandchildren you want to take there are a lot of things for them to do as well. And stop by and say hello to the Historical Society. Anything else on the 2/50 I think, at the moment, so let's go back to display the Tom building discussion. Has anybody come up with any ideas? And we are going to probably have to move the discussion the display pretty soon. We hear that the display in the town building, yes,
Richard Conard: we found the combination to the locks on cabinet in the archeology law we tried it out and so we can open case Unknown: bar, the Tom bar, fantastic. So can start to remove Katherine Gardner-Wescott: this. I think that you need to remove them sooner rather than later, because I'm sure they not happy that we're dragging our feet on this. They want it out.
Unknown: What they let us put it, some of it back in that would be put, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well, we're in discussion about a possibility of a smaller case, so that Native American can be on display and keep in the forefront of people's minds. But that's just the discussion at this point. There's no Unknown: be nice if it could be on a table display, just that. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So you would have to decide what artifacts that you would want to display. Unknown: I'm talking about the diorama. I'm
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: not going to hold my breath Unknown: already in No, yeah, that's not happening. I thought they haven't. I haven't heard they definitely don't want Katherine Gardner-Wescott: that. They definitely don't want that, pretty clear. Unknown: They definitely don't want the diagram. They don't Katherine Gardner-Wescott: understand it. I know they don't understand it. It's too bad, but they don't. And the whole point is that we have to find a new home that appreciates it and can be used Unknown: about the historical society
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: mentioned space.
Unknown: No, it's the big one? What's a possibility for asking that's a familiarity center. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Pretty, dim, dim. Unknown: Well, no, what if we talk to Julie? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: To who? Julie? Yeah, oh, Julie, feel free to talk to Julie about it. Why? Huh, to feel free to talk to Julie about it. Okay, I did to Unknown: the educational area of
the townhouse. Rooms are huge, and in the corner they could put it Katherine Gardner-Wescott: display again. Would you like to be in charge of that? That i will i I'm Unknown: happy to have covered in Plexiglas. The kids could look at it, sure.
But mean, they must do a unit. There's a mandatory unit on, on, you know, the native people of Massachusetts. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So, yeah, anybody who wants to talk to teachers or schools or anyone else but. I will tell you that when things are put away in schools, just from my experience, things are not carefully put away. Things are not necessarily, well, they don't have a storage either. That's the problem, yeah, so, Unknown: yeah, they just don't understand that. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And maybe there needs to be an explanation that goes along with it, that it points out the fishing weirs, the drying fish, the canoe that's being built that tied Tom leaf, and why the buildings are built the way they are, to keep the wind out and so forth and the cold and so forth. So I think it's needs more information to make people interested in it. The reason people are not interested in it here is because, like you said, they don't know because there's no explanation with it. That's part of the problem. They don't understand Unknown: it well, I can go around and talk to them, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: but that doesn't help. When you get new staff. Doesn't help the public when they come in, they don't understand it. And that's the whole point is, it's not something that people get and it needs to be done. Okay? So we're going to remove the artifacts from the top portion of the display as soon as possible. Yeah, let's do that. And then you're going to talk to Julie about possible display of the native village. Unknown: Can we give her the case too? Because they don't want the case. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: They don't want the case. I don't know. Have you looked Have you seen that? It's two parts. No, I haven't. Well, you stayed in the hallway when you go, Unknown: I obviously know how that opens up. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, we'll, we'll figure it out. Yeah, okay, anything else on that? Or can I move forward? Because I'm, I don't know, until the time of this village. Oh, no, I was looking for 10. Okay, 310 Well, we kind of already talked about the Sherman bridge activity. So how about cemetery information? Bradford Carver: Cemetery, we got the most recent requisition invoice. Very small amount, $1,300 the the activity is, is still way behind schedule. And if you can help me out with the percentages, I think that they're pretty much done with the the
Richard Conard: stuff, Bradford Carver: phase one stones, the one that are cleaning, and they're mainly done with the phase three stones, which are the ones that require the most amount of work, very little, if any, work has been done on on phase two. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Are you talking about cleaning or repairs? Bradford Carver: They actually did that called Fay. What are they called? Ann Gordon: You're back. You're backwards. Brad, the priority, priority one are the ones that need the most work, that need either to be reset or and those, I don't have the exact percentage, but a high percentage of those are done, and the cleaning is largely done, but I think the the overall percentage of work done is really the figure that we need to pay attention to, and that is 30% of the work is done, and that The summer has has been slow in terms of progress. At the end of June, they were 27% done. At the end of July, they were 29.9% done. And at the end of August, 30% done. So. I think Brad, I think we said this at our last meeting, and we need to schedule you, and I need to schedule another meeting with epic and really talk about what they see going forward in terms of their ability to do this work. The fellow that they hired this year has been doing all the cleaning, but he's not trained to do more than that yet, and Rachel said she doesn't want to, you know, put him on our work until she's confident that he can do it, which obviously, yeah, we feel that way too. I don't know what they're playing what what his training regimen looks like, how he's learning who's teaching him? Is he going to a program or a class? Us, or is it on the job training? I have a lot of questions. I'm sure you do too, Brad, and I think we need to connect with them and and have a conversation about it. Bradford Carver: All right, because priority one are the ones that require the most amount of work. And Josh, as Anne said, I think he's done most of most of that work, we can get an exact percentage of completion on that but those are the ones I think require the highest degree of skill. Three, which is cleaning, which is Joseph, is a person who's been doing it that requires a lot of training, necessarily, and that work is done, what I don't really understand is with priority to what level of skill is required. Like, for instance, I need to go into the one of the cemeteries, like North cemetery, and look at a few priority to and see what's involved. But yeah, the level of percentage completion at this point is, is really not, not acceptable. And, you know, something, something does need to change. And I guess that, I think that, and I probably need to have that conversation with Rachel in the next 30 days so we can report back. And I think we need to get some sort of level of comfort, or more discomfort, as to whether they're going to be able to to do the work or want to do the work. Unknown: How much do they favor? Bradford Carver: Well, I think it was 237,000 I think is the total amount that they would be paid if they did all the work and they've done 30% of the work. I don't think that means 30% of the dollars, because the priority one, priority two and priority three have different dollar values attached to it. Okay, I don't remember the exact amount we paid today, but, but the bulk of the contract funds are still there. So yeah,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: in October, we're meeting on the eighth, so hopefully you'll have some we'll have talked to them by the eighth. Bradford Carver: Yeah, I Well, I don't think we have, I hope so. Yeah, yeah, we have to and just get a sense from Rachel as to what, what they're willing or able to do, you know, we know Josh has been ill, but, but I think that he's been, he's been doing his best time fell, has been doing quite a bit of work this summer, not miss, just not on our Katherine Gardner-Wescott: stuff. Well, so is it because he needs to be closer to home that? Bradford Carver: Oh, I don't want to necessarily speculate, but I will throw out there that Rachel did acknowledge that in other work they're doing, they're being paid quite a bit more per headstone than what we are Paying
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: for them. Did they decide what been taken so this is not what I was hoping for. Okay, so we are going on to the house black bread. Bradford Carver: House black there's two items on that. One is the list that I've been accumulating of the all the plaques that have been given out. I need to follow up with Alyssa. She said she was going to look through her files again to see if I have she has the gap there, a gap of plaques were given out between about 2002 1020 I just don't have the full information. It's not in the folders. It's not anything I've seen Alyssa said she might have, but I need to follow up with her, and I will do that. And interestingly, in the past 30 days, we now have four applications for house players on pepperton, on Main Street training field road is actually just a replacement plaque. It's one that's already there. They want to replace them. And then 73 East plain, which, Kay, and I've been discussing it. I guess that's more than 30 days, but we have four applications, and now, which is, which is good? Yeah. So I'm following up with each of those people for additional back backup International.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: For the the one that just wants to buy a new one to replace their old one, that one that could go ahead Bradford Carver: or do, yeah, I assume that if they just want to replace it, there's no issue. It's already been vetted. It's, I actually, it's actually on the list we have. So I was just going to tell that person, if they're interested, they can pay $75 and I'll get the, get the plat Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and ask them if we borrow this Bradford Carver: plan. Yes, that would, I could add. That would be a good Yes, yep, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: yeah, because they can put. We had an order it and have it Bradford Carver: in time for us to follow. Yep, the guy who makes the plaques, he turns them around in one or two days. They're actually quite great work. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So, okay, any of the Unknown: rules, what are the rules? Bradford Carver: Well, that's one. That's the second thing on the agenda. The guidelines to get a flat. They're they're very generally stated. If you look on the website, age significance, historical events, something like that, there's three or four items. So they're quite, quite big. And then the application itself, really, all it is is just the name and address of the the building. It doesn't have any any additional requested information. I went and I looked at the websites of several other towns, Sudbury, Concord, Bedford, what their applications were like. Concord is actually pretty good, because not only does it ask for the name and address, that sort of thing. They also ask of the of the four items of significance, historical age, that sort of thing. Why are you applying? What is the basis of the the request? And it's just that, you know, sentence or two. But I think that would be helpful to add. And then I also think significantly, what it asks for is photocopies of any documents, such as deeds or anything else establishing, say, the age of the house. Because with every one of these applications, I always have to go back to the people and say, Can you provide me with the documents? So if it was in the application, I'm willing to go back and revise our application for you guys take a look at to request that information, it would just say several steps to request that in that information. So if you like, I can revise ours and at the next meeting and give you an idea of what I think should begin. So what? Well, I was going to say, but I think the case other point and to hear the man is, do our guidelines need to be changed? Or what should be our guidelines, or what should be the prerequisites for, for getting, getting a plaque? Unknown: No, years and years ago, I don't know your role would know her this, but we had when at least escola, I think, was chair, we had a discussion about the ages houses had to be. And I distinctly remember something about 75 years. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: That was when we were doing the demolition delay. Unknown: That was before your time. Yeah, Bradford Carver: I think the plaques are 75 200 years. It's something it is 75 or 100 years. I think it's what it does say on the website, one of those two.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So what I just handed Brad was a folder that I um, outlines the program and tells you what you have to do. And if, as you said here, it tells you, where do I find the house, historic house information, and it talks about South bill, says County Registry of these and this will be the responsibility of the applicant. It says so right on here, it gives makes them understand that there's a little bit of work to it and so forth. And we want a copy of all their documents. Doesn't have to be their originals, so that when we can put it in the file for further information, or somebody comes along and says, who was at number one, Harrison Road, and what information do you have on it? We can pull out the documents rather than reinventing the wheel and researching it again that somebody else has already researched it. This tells you how to to apply. It tells you where to place the marker. It tells you what a that's Unknown: interesting because we weren't, we weren't giving guidelines on that. Bradford Carver: Yeah, this is, this is what K just handed it's much more detailed. And what's our website firm. This is Unknown: much more detail. Are we going to stick with that or? Well, that's Katherine Gardner-Wescott: what we're here to talk about. And the other thing is, I was talking to Elisa, and I said, I remember that there was, just before she left, there was a house that, like 75% of it, had been remodeled very contemporary, and there was just two walls that were of the age of the house that they wanted a plaque for. And there was a lot of discussion here as to whether or not they should get a plaque. Well, it was finally decided that yes, they could get a plaque, but it had to be put on the walls for one or two one of the walls that was actually the age of the plaque. I said it was rather than on the newer portion. And even with that, she didn't feel comfortable giving them a plaque. So I think we need to determine how much of a house needs to be retained before we say, well, you remodeled it out of its age. So, I mean, it's only fair to to the applicant to give these kinds of guidelines so that they don't waste their time doing a lot of research or something, and they don't have to. Unknown: Where do we get those? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: This was in the it's historic commission. Historical Commission Office. Can we just copy them? Well, no, I don't think that everything for one thing, it says it's $40 of black. It's way Unknown: outdated. Can we copy that paper? Way outdated? What I Bradford Carver: suggest was I revise the application form, and I can include some of this in terminology is good. And I can even put something in the application. It says that says, if your house has been remodeled in any way, explain, you know, percentage something, I can come up with the language so that, so that, if that's an issue, we will know upfront and not have to keep going back and forth with Right, exactly. And I know which house you're talking about. You're talking about the house on Lincoln Road, Unknown: but Well, if you get those printed out, I would like to have one. Bradford Carver: Well, what I was suggesting was I'll prepare a proposed application that can go on the website for everybody take a look at and if it's acceptable, then we'll, we'll replace the one that's currently there and put the new application in.
Unknown: So would it be sufficient if somebody sends you a living, you know, instead of to the research, like, oh, here are examples of my, you know the history about my house. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: We want the documentation. Unknown: I guess it depends on how we plan. You're wanting them to, like, download everything and send it. I mean, that seems Katherine Gardner-Wescott: no they could say that it's in book 10, page 55 at the south little sex deed of Registry of Deeds. They don't have Unknown: to print it out, okay, but probably it's on macro source. You know, if Katherine Gardner-Wescott: it's already on macros, then a lot of their work has already been done for them. So they can just refer us to Macros, right? But if it's a house that hasn't been done before, we need to know where the deeds they found, the information and so forth to prove their points, Unknown: but the deed ownership is not necessarily their point, like it would be. Oh, here's an article on the architect that designed my house, or, I mean, I don't know, well, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: that's a document. That's what I'm talking about. A document doesn't have to be a deed document, yeah. Unknown: But so it wouldn't be, mean, this stuff is all now in the No longer would you go back through the deeds to the original owners? Is right? No, no, I know. But like in our an article about an architect isn't going to be it's going to be in the cloud. Well, so it's going to be like, be Katherine Gardner-Wescott: or how, but things don't last forever. I know these think they do, but they don't last for everything. What do you mean? Well, say they give us a link, and we go to that link and the link is broken. The link Unknown: is, oh, would they say? Okay, Architectural Digest, you know, 1972 August, 1972 order. Bradford Carver: Most of the time it's, it's a The question is the age of the house, right? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And who owned it, and Bradford Carver: who owned it originally is, that's what's on plaque? Is the original?
Unknown: Yes, slash, Bradford Carver: yeah, right. And usually that can can be derived from the deed, but not always, because the deeds can be confusing as well. But the deed is a good place to Unknown: start. But these are really more Colonial Era houses. You're talking I think 75 Bradford Carver: to 100 years. So Katherine Gardner-Wescott: you can do things over 1800 Bradford Carver: house so it's actually more reasonable, which means it should be easy, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right? Should Unknown: be absolutely, yeah, that's why I was thinking Architects like the mid century modern ones would be more unlikely to be written up somewhere, yeah. Bradford Carver: But again, if you're, if you're basing, if you're basing the application on the age of the house, that should be key, okay, if it's historical significance, like a Gropius house or something like that, and or Sears, Sears, or something like Unknown: that, that'd Bradford Carver: be a difference. Okay, okay. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: But most of the women. We get requests for for the age of the house. On the age of the house, okay, which you say 75 to 100 Bradford Carver: has been the I think that's, I have looked at the website, but I think it's 75 400 Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I can't remember what. So that means Mid Century Modern is coming up on, yeah, yeah, which the town is filled with, yeah. So, yeah. So then the question becomes, do we depend just on age, or does it have to be age and something special about the house, which I know other towns depend on, they have to be something unique about the house, the architecture or the builder or person who lived in the house. Because when you hit the 1950s this was Boomtown here in Wayland in 1950s and 60s. So do we need to narrow that down Bradford Carver: or make it? Make it 125 I mean, it's it. It really is, because, as you are bringing in a lot of new housing stock, yeah. And should that Unknown: well, also, I have a question about that being for some of those people might not want to black on their house, but if they did, would they really want this, stylistically the type of plaque that we make? Would they want that be appropriate? Yes. Would they want, you know, maybe they'd want a very much more modern looking, contemporary, contemporary, looking flat. And would we offer a different to another style of black for starting in like 1950 and forward? If or something, I mean, I don't, I don't know. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I will tell you in working in the assessor's office between 1910 and 1930 there are so many sub developments, so many sub developments, that they had their own book of sub development people so and you might remind them that online, it's the assessors records, and they can go through that, and that tells Whether there's a house on the property or not, but anyway, that makes a difference too. So there you go. So we will leave this in your hand and see what Thank you. Archeology, we have any reports or information Unknown: archeology? Well, today we had the end of Mary antes volunteering for us in our lab. So she she had trouble writing, and so she looked into what nothing could be done. So she felt it was better to finish up, and she's so busy on the June 50th committee anyway, but so that's just something that happened, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and to which we all want to say thank you to Mary Ann, thank you so appreciated all her time. And we're Unknown: back to lunch, and she did say she still needs to follow up with you, or I can let you know where she left off. She'll email you. Yeah, I know Margaret. Margaret said that woman handwriting was hard to read, and so she thought she should just stop doing it. So she's a very nice lady, and we appreciated having her in the lab.
The other thing is behind the pain estate, what used to be the pain estate, between that and the river. SBT owns the field, and there was a plan to go through that field and tell it down to eight inches. And so I've talked to SBT, and the first contractor that's going to do it can't do it, so they're looking for another contractor, and I want to go and walk that field, because I think it's probably archeologically sensitive, but I didn't want to go myself, so this young woman in SVT who I talked to, and she said she'd go walking with me. So we might do that, but we gotta find out if it's when, it's till, and then we can look for some evidence. So that's the most exciting thing. I haven't heard a thing from ConCom about the firm farm property, so, and I don't expect to hear from it unless I go fuck it. Well. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I. Going to say, You better go and ask. Yeah, they're just across the hall. Unknown: So otherwise, Rick is still working on the Castle Hill, Castle Hill site, and I've been helping Margaret with the media project, and that's been fun, because we going through the old photographs, and I can tell her who they are, and we've looked at some of the slides that Karen Lang Thorn had taken, and some of them are from Glover farm in Framingham. So I've been talking to the Framingham History Center about that, because I want to know more about Glover farm, because I remember a lot of the old avocational archeologists used to talk about going to Glover farm, and they all used to go and pick Katherine Gardner-Wescott: up artifacts. Where is the location of Glover's farm? Unknown: Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out, I think it's in South Framingham, not far from Lake Cochituate. In one of the books I looked Katherine Gardner-Wescott: at in South Framingham, pardon me, South Framingham, or north? For me and Unknown: no, I think it south, south, at least if it's by Lake Cochituate. On the map, it looked like it was south, but maybe, yeah, wrong. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, you know, the Glover property was in Cochituate. Yeah, two like Cochituate was in Cochituate. Well, Glover property that because she and her husband brought over the first printing press, she and her husband brought over the first printing press to the colonies. He died in route. So she was given property in Cochituate, next to dunsters property. Unknown: And that's fascinating. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So the printing press was put into Harvard and Dunster and Glover eventually married, but her children by her first husband inherited the land when she died, not Dunster or his family, but if you look on the town website maps, you will find a map, historical map showing the outline of the Glover property. Unknown: I saw that in a book that we had in our library in the office, so, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: but it's on online, on the town web page, in the maps, okay, and you can see, I think it's the very last of several maps, and it shows where Glover's property was, where dunster's property was, and where Jenny, Jennifer, Jenny, Jenny's property was. Unknown: Well, the avocational seems to talk to me about Mrs. Glover and her Katherine Gardner-Wescott: father, right? Well, I don't think Mrs. Glover actually came and lived on that farm. So maybe a different Mrs. Glover, I Unknown: don't know. So Mrs. Glover, that they knew? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Oh, no. Well, if they knew her, then it was different, because I'm talking 17, 1600 Unknown: Oh, this is not modern Mrs. Glover, this is they knew it was the historic forever bar, and so they used to refer to what is Mrs. Glover, it may have been her children, right? Then they would have had different names. Yeah, her son's wife. You know, the people I knew would tell me better. No, I know, yeah. I'm just, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well, I'm just saying there's 200 years difference there, yes, so I don't need maybe a different Glover then. So I'm still Unknown: trying to do some research.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Anything else Unknown: we're making headway on the Castle Hill material and Margaret's putting a lot more of it in the computer. Now, I just heard I tried to call Duncan Lucci a couple of days ago, and I talked to Deborah Cox, and you had talked to her too, and I asked, I had asked for him, and she came on the line, and she said he's not in today, and she said he hasn't been feeling too tough, which worries me, because he's got he he's the principal investigator on Sand Hill, so saying a prayer for Jack and yes, get whatever he's got. So I'll have to wait and see. So I'll keep up with that as much as I can.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Anything else. Unknown: Well, can you think of something that I've forgotten? No, I don't think so. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Alright, so it is railroad and rail trail. Richard Conard: The only thing I have to report is that the vinyl company, all type, has been paid, mentioned at our last meeting. We haven't been paid yet. We haven't paid sardown. Anything else to report. We
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: want to talk about the rail trail.
Richard Conard: Not much to report on signs the where the Carol hopes the graphic artist should be back now, but I have not heard anything. I know whether Bonnie has been in contact with or not about some of the issues that are included in last month's Katherine Gardner-Wescott: minutes. Just send you, I think she sent Richard Conard: an email to us about a possible vote at select board meeting to select a contractor for the installation of the pads and the signs, but I haven't heard back as to whether that has been scheduled for the next select board meeting. Apparently, the bids have Tom and they've selected a bit last I heard there were some questions about whether that company what would the type of font could be used when the company that would be made to fabricate the signs, if It's a company that arrow folks has not dealt with that might be some issues, but I don't know new details. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So I heard from Bonnie and Tom Fay is double checking, but he thinks we're on this schedule for the 15th of September for signage and and this will, I hope, excite you. The DCR has changed the number of signs that will be printed up, and have removed two of the signs, which will eventually be printed and put on Tom property. But then there are two signs that they have contracted with a bidder to create, but they need only 11 signs instead of 13 signs. So on September 15, if people are available to come and support this at the Select Board meeting, it would be important to show numbers there. They are going to ask the Select Board, since the payment has already been secured by a vendor, and the town has already agreed to pay that amount of money. Would they allow a Historical Commission to put to make two of their signs that they are hoping to make, which could be two in Dudley woods and one in Dudley woods and one in Castle, castle gate road and and use that money to actually create the signs that would mean installation would be our responsibility, and in the way the budget is going right now. It looks like installation wouldn't be immediate, but we would have the signs to put out there are, and that's the last that was. I was told it's not a done deal. It has to be approved by the Select Board, although I understand that there are members as a Select Board that have heard, already heard this proposal or and are in favor of it. And that's why we need people there to support a positive vote now. And I had a question for you, was it castle gate that we didn't have enough money to create a sign?
Ann Gordon: You know, I would have to go back and refresh my memory, but I think it was. Yes, I think we have enough money for castle gate. My memory is but I could be wrong, but we didn't have enough for the two signs at Dudley woods that we wanted to Katherine Gardner-Wescott: do. We did, did not. I'm sorry it was noisy here Ann Gordon: that I think we did not have enough for two signs. But we also knew that we couldn't use the pot of money for castle gate. If there's any left over, we can't use it in Dudley. So I think that was part of the problem too, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right? We had a hope to marry the two, but in rereading the rules and so forth. We have to leave it open, I think for meetings. Sherry Ann, I think it has to be, has to be open. For meetings, you can pop it far away, yeah, Unknown: conversation of thought. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So I read that that we could not marry the two pots together in order to have enough money. Yeah, so knowing that would help us decide which two signs we would have this company do for us. Okay, if it passes, I mean, it would be nice if we came and said we have two signs in Dudley woods that we'd like to have done, or we have a sign it wherever we want to put it. Ann Gordon: Yeah, I think, yeah. I mean, off the top of my head, I'd say that makes more sense. It's the two Dudley wood signs,
two extra signs, and we have two signs we want to make. You know, it's a little, it's a it's a good fit. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: It is a good fit. And it's both for the town. It's both historical, and it's already, money has already been approved for it, and the contract, according to Bonnie, has already been signed. So it makes sense to go ahead and do that, and then we can put together some images for those signs and so forth that we can now, I don't know how much money would be set aside for Carol's graphic designs on that. I know we want her to do that.
Ann Gordon: Well, I'm, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: we have to get the money, though, Ann Gordon: right. And I also, you know, I'm, I don't know where the graphic standards are for the railroad, the rail trail signs. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, I don't think, I think we agreed at the last meeting that we weren't going to necessarily follow their guidelines. Ann Gordon: We didn't agree to that. We agreed that Abby and Mike don't need to necessarily follow their guidelines in the sign they're planning for stones bridge. But I did not understand that we decided we as a commission, don't need to follow their Katherine Gardner-Wescott: suggestion. Actually, I thought it was yours. No, Ann Gordon: I meant specifically for Abby and Mike, because they were, they were working on the sign they were, you know, ready to get going. And I said, I don't think it makes sense for you to wait and, you know, for these standards to be settled, but I think we should, if we can. I just think it's it would be best if Wayland had a look and feel that was consistent across all of our interpretive signage. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I agree with you on that. However, I don't agree with these outline that the DCR is offering because it's too restrictive, and they limit on texts, and they limit they want you to write it as for a sixth grade level. And they will, Ann Gordon: I think every, I think all public signage is that's, that's a pretty typical standard. Is a sixth grade level is, would it be possible for the rest of us to see the standards, or the design template, or something that would give us a little sense of what they're suggesting? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: The lot of things, it things that I've just heard. What about you, Rick, that, I mean, I Bonnie says to me, but I don't have anything in writing. Richard Conard: If I received the scandals, it was so long ago that I don't remember what they were in detail, I have to look Katherine Gardner-Wescott: to see if, but they've been changed. It seems to me that a couple times changed, a couple of times. Sherry Ann, you've been there when Bonnie's talked Unknown: also, no and Ann Gordon: have you got drafts of the rail trail signs Katherine Gardner-Wescott: you want to hear what Sherry Unknown: Anne said? DCR, apparently has gotten much more. Restricted in what they want on the signs for the grants right now, as far as the number of pictures, as far as the what is in the script, and so forth and so on it. Ann Gordon: Have you got drafts of those signs yet? Have you seen anything? Unknown: No, I have not, but I don't attend all of the meetings for the for the real care signs. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Now every time, Bonnie sends something out, then she comes back later and said, No, they've rejected this or they don't want that. So no, we haven't really seen a finalized version. We're not keeping anything from anybody. We just, we don't know either. Ann Gordon: Yeah, it's, it sounds like it all we hear Katherine Gardner-Wescott: is what we're told. And it's so far, it's always been negative. It's always, they don't want this. They don't want that, this kind of font. First they wanted 10th grade level. Now they want sixth grade level. Unknown: Things restricted on the rich colors can dawn they on the signs, right?
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So that's why I thought, I thought you were suggesting for us that we didn't have to necessarily follow DCR, that we would be the leaders of what Wayland signs would look like. Well, I we do. Ann Gordon: I don't feel like we need to adhere to DCR standards in other signs, because it's not a DCR property other than, you know, the rail trail. But I think they should, I think we should be informed in our design by what they've done. You know, what colors are they using? What font are they using? What how are they laying it out? I think at least we ought to know that before we create other signs, because we may not want to adhere to all their standards. We may want more words. We may want more pictures or fewer pictures. We may want to change some of the details, but I just continue to feel like the overall look and feel should be connected, so that it feels com, you know, comprehensive and coordinated. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, I thought that was one of many reasons why we wanted Carol hopes to do the designing, because she will have worked with them on this, and she will have a feel of what the font and so on and so forth, but yet she can be creative by what we want on it, so that it is not glaringly different, like a pink background with purple lettering or something like that. Ann Gordon: But yes, I agree she's the perfect person to do it, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right and but what I'm saying is, with all the money that we're spending on posters and speakers and so forth, this may not be the year that we have enough money to pay Carol, we may have enough to start started, and then when July comes around next year, we can continue it, or whatever. But I'm just watching the budget, because it's $1,000 and we're already spending three or $400 already. Ann Gordon: So I guess I'm confused about the but what you're talking about the budget, because we already have funding for these signs, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: but we don't have funding for the graphic. Well, you're right, and you're right, maybe the money that we have we can spend towards the graphic. Person, I understand what you're saying now. Thank you for clarifying that, and that makes a lot of sense. I have forgotten about that, Ann Gordon: but it does seem like we need to see what happens at this meeting on the 15th, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: absolutely, because change that you're talking about pie in the sky at this point, but I wanted you to be aware of it so that you could come to the meeting. Look at the agenda before the 15. See if it is on the agenda. If it is on the agenda, then we need to show up and show our support for them doing that. And then then we can take the money that CPA, because we don't have to wait on that and talk to Carol about the designing and how much it would cost. Can give us an estimate on that, and we can take it from there. Does that sound good? Yep, right. Okay. Then the one last thing is the request that came in last night from who was it? The lady that's Kristen Lipson, she sent a request. She's in the process of purchasing 21 Cochituate Road, old Collins market building with a goal of converting it into two boutique cafe in bistro called townhouse. The name honors the property origins as the town's first town building. Tom really referred to as the townhouse in the 1800s because the property is zoned business a the project requires a special use permit from the Zoning Board of Appeals at last night zba hearing, the members expressed interest in the proposal, but continue the hearing to allow more time to review the bylaws, particularly as they relate to parking relief. My vision is to celebrate and preserve the building's historical significance while breathing fresh life into a true town. Landmark townhouse would not only serve as a gathering place for the residents, but also strengthen the vibrancy of the neighborhood. Nearby businesses and residents have expressed strong enthusiasm for the project, and I have had the pleasure of sharing my vision with your chair. No, this is wrong chair. Kay, but anyway, who is supportive as well to help the CBA appreciate the broader community value of this project, I would be grateful for letters of support from the Commission and individual members. Your voices as stewards of Wayland history would carry particular weight in underscoring the importance of ensuing this building, once again, serves as a pillar of the community, I've attached an overview of my plans for your reference, and I understand this may be on your agenda at today's meeting. Please don't hesitate to reach out with any questions. I would be delighted to provide any additional details. Thank you very much for your consideration and for your ongoing efforts to preserve and celebrate waylands history, I will tell you that there were several neighbors, Mary and other people like Gretchen, Schuler, marjor Basson, the library, and they were either represented there or had letters of support, as well as the historical society through Scarlet. And so the question then became, would the Historical Commission also support it? Questions, comments, Ann Gordon: I'm sorry, Kay, I couldn't quite follow what you were reading at the beginning, what is her plan? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: She is turning the balance market building into a a what she calls a boutique cafe. And, I
Unknown: mean, I think it's a great idea. I don't know how, how we would support it or not supported. I mean, it's within the historic district. It is, it is, and they have letter written, a letter, so, yeah, it's, it's staying within the confines of the rules of the historic district. But I don't see our role Katherine Gardner-Wescott: in it well. I think that she is saying that she is trying to keep the property as historic as possible, and that we support the what do I how do I want to say this? We support the fact that she wants to keep the building historic in appearance and so forth. That's about the only thing that we can support. Unknown: Yeah. Well, Ann Gordon: one of the things that, one of the things that strikes me about it, is that that building, in the in the years that I've lived in Wayland, that building has been inaccessible to the public. It's just a historic facade, but it was the market, and before that, it was the library. And so I like that. She her vision is to create a community space in that building again. So I I feel I like that. Unknown: I love the idea. I just don't understand exactly since, since, since it's really the historic district Commission's don't domain. I mean, I we could say we support the spirit of the idea, but I don't, I don't, I guess I just don't see our role in it. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, I. Again, I think it's she is hoping that the historical aspect is something that we would support, that that's our ability. Yeah, I don't see the historic aspect well, as she said, she wants to celebrate and preserve the building's historical significance while breathing fresh life into a tree town landmark. It serves as a gathering place for residents and strengths, the vibrancy of the neighborhood and so forth. People can also send letters individually saying, I really like the idea of a bistro cafe, plus the fact that she's trying to keep it as historically, yeah, possible, but she's asking the commission if they would just support her vision of keeping it historical. And since we cover the whole town, we don't exclude the historic district, we could say that, Bradford Carver: yeah, my view is, I is that if the historic district commission is passed on that tells me that they're going to retain the historical facade and it's going to look the way it is, and maintain the integrity of the building like Andrew Madison, I think it's a great idea. I'd love to see a cafe, frankly, as a business model. I'm not sure it's going to work, but, yeah, just a location, but, but in terms of, in terms of, from a historical perspective, right? It's an integrated what Unknown: was the original purpose of Katherine Gardner-Wescott: that building? It was the town building, or the town hall. It was the first non Meeting House town hall. So it was like a separation of the church and government, okay, because Unknown: I remember, and it Katherine Gardner-Wescott: had the library in the first basement, and the first floor was the was the library, the Tom clerk and so forth, was upstairs. Unknown: And then Academy, 10 years for two years High School. That was the high school in town, yeah, and it was housed in that building. That's like about 1840 and 40 to 42 Katherine Gardner-Wescott: was that a private high school or public high school, private, private high school.
Unknown: It was a grocery store Katherine Gardner-Wescott: when we moved here, and then it eventually became Collins market, you're absolutely right. And then the most recent, the real estate office that was in there, was purchased by someone who grew up in the town, and also wanted to keep the historical aspect of it the biggest problem the outside, from the outside right? Or changed? Yeah, they've changed the inside, but people previous to them had changed the inside. So for sale. Now it's not for sale. She bought it. Unknown: Oh, she bought it. Okay, so why did they put it up for sale? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: They didn't, actually, they didn't. They wanted to rent out space that they were not using. And she said, I don't want to rent it. I want to buy it, and you can rent from me. And that's what happens. Unknown: Okay, that's interesting. She's pretty enterprising. She is. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: She's very much a go getter, no doubt about it. Unknown: Well, we could use a little piece for our town.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: But the question is, do we want to write a letter of support? You can all write letters of support individually, on your own is town residents, but will it can commission vote to write a letter of support for keeping the building historic, historic, I will tell you last night, after the CBA meeting, she caught me as I was leaving the house. She came up and Paul, remember Paul, or guest, to have a, what do you call those things of boards that fold outboard, tri fold boards, and he had done an architectural plan of it. He had photographs of all the original beams in the basement, and they were there with their cameras, just clipping away, taking pictures of the whole thing. And her architect was with her, so they're obviously interested in keeping it historical. Ann Gordon: Hey, what's this woman's name? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Her name is Kristen. Lipson, l, i, p, s o, n,
Bradford Carver: and the way spelled the first name is k, i, r, s, t, y, N, Ann Gordon: oh, thank you. I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have picked that spelling. No, that's really i r, s, t, y, n, okay, well, I'll go out on a limb and say I would be in favor of our writing a letter of support based on the fact that we trust the historic district commission to manage the compliance with historic standards. And in my opinion, I like that. Her vision is to make it a community space once again, which I think is a sort of throwback to its history, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and it just will say an aside is that she's going to put a patio in the back so people will have accessibility all around the building, including the back. So I agree with Dan. So are you seconding second? All right? Any other further discussion? Let's take a vote and yes. Amanda, yes. Brad, yes. Jerry. Ann, yes. Tanya, I'm still thinking about okay. Richard Conard: Rick, yes, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: okay, yes. And would you like to abstain? No, I think it's a good idea. So are you voting? Yeah, I thought, yes, yes. Unknown: I just hope she follows through on what she says.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: She sold out. A lot of people didn't answer to it. She doesn't, because a lot of people wrote letters of support. Any anything else that has not in the last 48 hours been brought to our attention. Anything more to say, This is your last chance for today, our next meeting. It'll be, I believe, the eighth of Unknown: October, oops,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and let's see eight o'clock. I mean, October 8 at Unknown: one o'clock. What's the day? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: October 8. October 8, the second Wednesday of the month, is when we tend to be and so put it on your agendas, yeah, Unknown: if you have room.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Thank you, Anne for again, leaving your vacation time and staying with us is another long Unknown: meeting, not posting. What first minutes? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Oh, yeah, well, she knows that. What was it the March or April minutes were missing. Ann Gordon: May well we didn't meet in April, so there are no minutes for April. The main minutes, I have posted them. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Oh, you have okay, you should be there. Yeah, Richard Conard: okay. And if you want to start listing the documents that were passed out at the meetings in the minutes, the article that I passed out today was on Well, Sherman's bridge was from the Boston Sunday globe, June 30, 1991
article on timber bridge to be built to replace Sherman's bridge.
Amanda Ciaccio: Okay, talk to you Richard Conard: about what's been that was a handout, a good one, right? Thank you. So thank you. It was in our files. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So thank you all for coming and staying all this length of time, I appreciate that, and we are closing the meeting you.
pursuant to chapter two of the acts of 2025 this meeting will be conducted in person and via remote means, in accordance with the applicable law, this meeting may be recorded which will be made available to the public on WayCAM as soon after the meeting as is practical when required by law or allowed by the chair. The persons wishing to provide public comment or otherwise participate in the meeting may do so by in person attendance or by assessing a meeting remotely, as noted above, we request public comment to be limited to two minutes per person. Note items may not be discussed in order, listed as all topics are subject to deliberation and vote. So thank you all for coming and Lewis, Richard Conard: do we need to introduce ourselves? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Because I was just going to say we want to start. And Anne, I'm going to start with you, since you're remote Ann Gordon: Ann Gordon Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and Amanda, Amanda Ciaccio: Amanda Ciaccio, Richard Conard: Rick Conard, Tanya Largy: Tanya Largy, Sherry Anne Bryant: Sherry Ann Bryant, Bradford Carver: Brad Carver Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and Kay Gardner-Westcott, thank you very much for all coming together on such a nice day. We're going to start with public comment. Dave, do you have anything that you want to say? Doug, I mean, I'm sorry.
Okay, so let's review the minutes and take a look. Yes, how do I tell that somebody from outside wants to make a comment? Jailyn Bratica: They would raise their hand, but no one is attended. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Okay, good. Thank you. Jailyn Bratica: Possible to I can see Katherine Gardner-Wescott: maybe Amanda, if you move to this end of the table. Jailyn Bratica: I'm sorry our TV was broken, so we've yet to install the new one. Sorry. Unknown: Hasn't bothered them, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I'm sorry, Unknown: so I can turn it back Jailyn Bratica: here, maybe
Unknown: it doesn't bother them.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I think that there was, is there one typo? I think Unknown: there are a couple. I did hear from Rick who had a few corrections to make. I can tell you what those are. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I think that would be a good idea. Unknown: Okay, the first one is on page two, under guests Abigail Shute and Mike Faia the Stones Bridge section, and I had misremembered or misheard what Rick said he had photos of the hurricane of 55 not 38 so it now reads, has some black and white photos of the hurricane of 55 which damaged the bridge and caused it to be closed. First, and then another change was just a typo in the on the following page at the near, near the bottom, WHC representative for CPC, there was a letter for in the word preservation didn't belong there, and the another one from Rick under Rail Rest posts on the following page, under the railroad section in the first sentence, to add the word a before railroad museum so it reads, found out that a railroad museum in New Hampshire. And I think that's all I got from Rick
see the archeology with that sound of Bill starlo. But he mentioned something about archeology you might see that you can. Didn't hear that to support this room, I'm sorry the camera name is great like that. Is it a voice? It's this,
Seattle. What I wanted to mention that we've been asked to put that notes up at the end of our minutes that we have materials which are shown at the meeting, and Mike and Abby brought the blueprints or maps for us.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: That was someone. No, it was Richard Conard: Brian. Brian. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Brian from housing, Unknown: yes, okay, and so it needs to be noted that they brought those for us to accept and store, right? Ann Gordon: You know, this is the difficult thing about participating remotely because I didn't see them. I didn't Yeah, yeah, well, so I'm happy to add that if you tell me what to say
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: the if you look at the Select Board meeting minutes, you'll see they give a long list of documents that had been sent to the members and perhaps discussed, but they never talk about what the documents were or so them. They just list them, and then I assume that you would have to go to the board to find out exactly what those documents were. But in the when, when I took the test again for the members, for being a member, being sworn in, in that it talks about minutes in open meeting laws we had to do, and it talks about minutes and saying that they should be listed at the bottom of the minutes. So that is something that I thought we should start doing. And I, I guess I informed Sherry Ann, but I hadn't gotten around to informing you. And I apologize, but if I think you were sworn in again this year too, so you, you will have to take the Open Meeting tutorial, and it'll tell you in that Unknown: like she wanted, would like to know about Katherine Gardner-Wescott: the word, right? So he brought the plan PLA and plan for 130 is it? 132 Commonwealth, 131 3130 Commonwealth Avenue, I mean Road in in Wayland, which shows the house and the property and the blueprints were for. Was it for the Cochituate school? Richard Conard: No, yeah. Cochituate schools, alterations, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right? So relational plans, changes to Cochituate school blueprints. Ann Gordon: Now, did he bring those Cochituate school blueprints because it was germane to something we talked about in the meeting? Or did he bring them Katherine Gardner-Wescott: to give them to you. He just brought them to the meeting to give to the Historical Commission, right? So is that but, but we did look at them. Unknown: We did look at them at the end of the meeting, Ann Gordon: in the meet, during the meeting, Unknown: no, at the end of the meeting, he thought, Ann Gordon: after the meeting. I Katherine Gardner-Wescott: mean, yeah, so we're storing Yes? He just so this is Unknown: to safeguard them. Ann Gordon: Yeah, so I guess I need to find out what the details are about how to do this, because that doesn't seem to me a document that was discussed in the meeting. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: It wasn't discussed in the meeting. He just brought them to the meeting to ask us to store the in our office, in our math files. Ann Gordon: Well, I could certainly add that to the minutes.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And I think I sent you something about changes also. Ann Gordon: Oh, I didn't it was that recent Katherine Gardner-Wescott: here last night. Mike, did you have a comment about this? Ann Gordon: I'm sorry I didn't check my email today. Okay, so if you sent it in the last few hours, I haven't seen it Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well last night, but the basically was a typo that you've already mentioned, and also when there was a article about my writing up a bill to send a Cultural Council, and the response from Rick was not to do it. And. And I wrote in my email to you that probably from your vantage point, you see him shake his head no and say, leave it alone. And shake his hand say, Don't do it. Ann Gordon: So, okay. Well, so is that all is, is that in your email for me to Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Yeah, I think if you just put in the minutes that Rick declined.
Ann Gordon: Okay, so let's follow up. Let's see where that is in the minutes. If you wouldn't mind showing me what you mean, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I don't have the minutes. That's everything that I don't have a pleasure right now anyway. Ann Gordon: So does anybody have a copy of the minutes? Yeah, wait a minute. Unknown: Comment on something else, but you're the note about the display, the display in the entryway, yes, the figure 1985 come up for Rita Anderson's doing that because I believe she did that before in 1985 it Richard Conard: said 40 years, 40 years. Unknown: Well, I said about 40 years. But I didn't do the math quickly enough, because she actually did it after we started the Wayland archeology group. I can't remember the exact year, but it would have been in the late 70s instead of 1985 Ann Gordon: Well, I don't have the the date 1985 anywhere in the minutes. So it says 40 years ago. It says that the village was created by Rita Anderson about 40 years ago. Unknown: Yeah, that's what it says. That's what you probably said, Tanya. But you were just you were being very loose with your language, probably, and I'm having a lot of trouble hearing in this room. I can't really hear what people are Ann Gordon: saying. So Tanya, is it? Is it accurate to say that it's been there for about 40 years? Unknown: It's about 40 years, but it might have been what is 40 years? It's really longer, and it's been since the late 70s, years to say more than 40 years ago, probably 45 years ago. Ann Gordon: Now, how about if I say it's been there for more than 40 years? Unknown: I'm sorry I didn't make that it's actually been there for, yeah, more than probably the late 70s. Bradford Carver: So, Tanya, if it says it's been there for more than 40 years, is that? Is that okay? That's what I thought would be. Okay. Okay, so more than 40 years? Okay,
Ann Gordon: and then, Kay, you were, can we get back to your Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I'm trying to find the email that I sent you, because I think there was more than that also, okay. Ann Gordon: I'm sorry I didn't check my email today. I'm finding it. There's typo. Rick declined the submitting of a bill for his work and funding for the rap Katherine Gardner-Wescott: that was shortly after that. So what you're Ann Gordon: doing? I should. I should. Unknown: Or Janice, I mean,
Richard Conard: okay, that's what I was doing. Okay,
Ann Gordon: let's see if we can find that in the minutes, so that I'd get this right
Unknown: end of rail trail and railroad Yes, last paragraph. Ann Gordon: Last paragraph. Unknown: That's what we're referring to.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Yes, thank you. And who declined and he declined.
Ann Gordon: I'm sorry, I'm not finding it. Can you say that again? Where is it? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: If you look under Rail Trail and rail road? Yes. Second paragraph. R Connor gave Oh, and
Ann Gordon: then do you want me to add after it says and they voted to approve? What do you want me to Katherine Gardner-Wescott: just say our Connor declined. The submission Unknown: at the end of this I got it,
Ann Gordon: declined, the reimbursement,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: the submission of the invoice for invoice, thank you. That's what I was looking for. Ann Gordon: Okay?
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And then I see, did you see under guest Abigail shoot in my car that you misspelled my name? Ann Gordon: There's an Yes, I'm sorry about that. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And then on the RFP for the vital conservation of vital records by the town clerk's office, there was a sentence that says Kay Gardner Westcott has spoken with the town clerk Judy about her concerns for referring back to me. And actually, it was not my concerns. It was the historic commission concerns that were discussed at the previous meeting, or at that meeting on that day, actually. So I will clarify that it was not my concerns, it was the board's con, the commissioner's concerns. Unknown: Okay,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: got it Okay. Those are my comments.
Thank you, Rick. I
anything else do we have a motion? Bradford Carver: Move to accept the Meet the minutes. Second motion. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Any other discussion? All right, let's vote by voice in Yes, yes, absolutely. Amanda accepts the I'll say your name. Amanda, yes. Brad, yes. Cherianne, yes. Tanya, yes. Rick, yes. And K Yes, thank you. Unknown: Okay, what's next? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: The Annual Report, and you all got a copy of what was sent out, and we have any comments?
Unknown: I make a motion, no comment.
Lots of comments. I had a question under Community Preservation Committee funding a display case for the towns, Boston hosting I thought it was still Wayland historical societies, Boston post cane, because the historical Bradford House Museum owns the cane. Ann Gordon: I see, okay, Unknown: so it should not be the word town, in my opinion, there as the owner of the cane, we are loaning the Wayland Historical Society and museum, and the museum is loaning the cane to the town for display,
Ann Gordon: right for
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and they like to be referred to as Wayland museum for society, right?
Ann Gordon: Okay, Unknown: that sentence about the display case for the town's Boston first Ann Gordon: pain got it. Unknown: And then I wondered if somewhere we should have that we do continue to monitor the preservation restriction at 105 playing road that I didn't see it in what you had written for the annual report. So my suggestion would be that we add that, that we that's we do, that we're supposed to do that every year. So by the way, aren't we supposed to follow up on the church, on the school house, too?
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: You mean on the original High School, on those? I don't know if that's a deed restriction, when plain road is a deed restriction, which requires us to go all we do have. I don't think that was a deed restriction.
I made my comments to you on my email to. You, if you pull up your document, okay? And in the email, Richard Conard: I just had a couple comments under stones bridge that was really a facilities department project, and we worked with them and supporting the project, but they're the ones that did the work. I just want to make sure that Katherine Gardner-Wescott: we did the applications to the CPC for the payments and so forth. That's why we're involved in monitoring what was going on. And I believe that started in 2012 and I thought it would be interesting to note that it started in 2012 and it's finally finished in 2025 or 24 except for the landscaping, as noted
Unknown: Rick and Tanya they went to who are probably saw this through the entire Katherine Gardner-Wescott: arc of the well, it took section two completion, and it took three rounds of CPC funding to actually pay for it get it done.
Unknown: Okay, so if
Richard Conard: we're talking about a suggested illustrations, stones bridge, go on a cover of the town report, considering the amount of a nice picture of the completed bridge, right? And whether we include that in our section or try to advocate that it got on a cover of the Tom, well, I Katherine Gardner-Wescott: think that we could, you're talking about the images that I sent out, right? Maybe we could hold that discussion until we finish with the actual report, because we all know people like to look at images when they're flipping through the town report. That's what catches their eye to stop and read what the report says. Ann Gordon: So can you walk me through your comments? You talk, we're still on the stones bridge paragraph, I'm seeing your comments saying native plantings and flower boxes is the goal for future enhancements. It was already decided that facilities wanted that. Is that a change you want me to make? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Or are you just Yes, it is because I was reporting that that was their goal. They had already decided that's what they were going to do. We discussed the fact that, yes, the roots wouldn't get into the brickwork or stonework, and we all agreed with that. Ann Gordon: All right, so where it says are being considered, you're asking me to change that to something like will be implemented, or, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: yes, because it wasn't done in that year. So that's a goal or something in the future that they're planning on doing. Okay, I was just trying to make the distinction. Ann Gordon: There. Got it. Okay, all right, so I'm just going through your comments again, Kay, I'm sorry I didn't I didn't see this earlier. In under house plaques, a new vendor was selected, font and design approved. Was that this year Bradford Carver: I was going to say, is that this year, I think it was the previous year? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Oh, okay, thank you. And disregard that. Okay. I was wondering, do we have a number of how many plaques we did this past year, or replacement? Bradford Carver: Maybe two. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So maybe we don't need to include that. I was just questioning whether or not we wanted to include that.
Unknown: I think she's
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: still looking at the comments and then, Ann Gordon: yeah, I am so under archeology, you are asking to add information that says discussion for the need of a new bylaw that prohibits The use of metal detectors or unauthorized digging on public land with the police chief. I'm sorry. Unknown: Get that the bylaw that you talked about should be already against the law. Don't have it so as far as I Katherine Gardner-Wescott: know, no what I'm asking is you. Discussed that with the police, Unknown: yes. So, Tanya, I thought it was already against the law. Tanya, what I thought it was already? Tanya, she's talking. I thought it was already against the law to use. I to use metal detectors on, on, oh, yes, it is okay. It is. So then, why do we why? Why are we making it a bylaw? I don't understand, not just monitors, but anybody who goes into public land for some purpose of finding things. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, the question Tanya is, is that already law, or didn't someone check by Unknown: law? It's a bylaw that the police chief suggested we should have. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Okay? So the police chief suggested it to you Unknown: did, okay, but, but it is already a law that they cannot use. It. Was he aware of the law? Yeah, well, he might be aware of the law, but I don't know if the public is so we could, we could advertise it, but what's the goal here? Did you want signage? I'm just I think signage would be good. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: The question, though, is Ann Gordon: no, that's this is this has to be what we did last year. This is our report about what happened last year at our all of our meetings. So I think Kay is suggesting that we should include in the annual report that you had a conversation with the police chief about this issue. Unknown: What did you discuss with the police chief exactly because I'm I'm confused, because the police chief should know that, that it's a law, so I Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well that that's it, regardless, that the point was that she brought it up at the meeting that the police chief suggested that a bylaw against metal detectors be passed. Unknown: But, but wait, why would he say that if it's all the law that doesn't make sense, though, see, I don't know why the Basic Law is not well known, but so he suggested we needed a by law to make it illegal. That's what he told me, even Ann Gordon: though, can I suggest that? Excuse me? Unknown: Do acceptance, judgment, Ann Gordon: friends, can I suggest we we drop this for the annual report? It was not something we accomplished. It sounds like it was a conversation. And I don't think it belongs back to us. That's I don't think it belongs in our annual report. Unknown: Well, it would have to be by town meeting, I think, for Well, I Bradford Carver: think, I think what Anne is saying is, for purposes of the annual report, it was a discussion. It wasn't really something that was, was an in depth discussion that needs to go in in the annual report. Because what we're talking about now is what goes in the annual report, I can is saying, I agree with her. Let's just leave it out, because it's not really pertinent Unknown: to hear what you're saying. Well, also, yeah, it should be documented. I think if, if we're gonna, like you said, it needs to be an accomplishment of Katherine Gardner-Wescott: some All right, I agree with everyone. But the only reason I and let me just explain why I brought it up. Because if it was something we were going to follow up with, it needs to be shown that it was discussed. And the problem was we were made aware of the problem in that year, and we started talking about it. I have no problem with dropping it. I'm just saying that's why I thought it should be in in the annual report, because it was brought to our attention by Tanya, and there was some discussion about it then, as there is discussion about it now and but I'm happy to let it go. Bradford Carver: What I would recommend is we added to one of our future meetings as an agenda item, yeah, and then it's listed as an agenda item, we'll have a follow up discussion about it at that time. Unknown: It's not a done deal, yeah, right, yeah. So I would suggest we'll follow up with the police chief about it. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Yeah, absolutely. Okay, moving on.
Ann Gordon: All right, moving on. Unknown: I wanted to know when David retired from the arc biology lab, was that during the last year? Well, it wasn't an official retirement. I know it was him. Recognize it was actually over a year ago. It was actually 2020. 2024 may ish of 2024 okay? Because we've never done a recognition. No, it is, I know Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well, we've never recognized individuals Unknown: before. But now we apparently are, well, we're Katherine Gardner-Wescott: changing power. Policy, which is something else that we think need to discuss, because we've always been a team before that supported each other, work together, and Anne recorded to me on the very first time she wrote the annual report for me for this board, that at least I had suggested that we do not use individual names, that we are a team, that we work together, we discuss things, and we come together for a decision. And therefore names are not mentioned. And this is a big change by listing people and saying what activities they they personally worked on. Okay? Unknown: Also, though the archeology lab is a little bit different than the Historical Richard Conard: Commission. Unknown: Well, that's part of it, yeah, but it's also it's kind of the volunteers in the lab are not necessarily on the permission, yeah, if we right, but, but my point was, if we were, if we were recognizing one person who married no Margaret and Margaret, oh, why Margaret leaving
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: personal comment about her, then saying, what a good job. Oh, I see. Unknown: We either don't we just, I'm thankful for senior tax write off participants I see, or now following we want to be sure we don't exclude people who I see. And David was, recognition is my point. Okay, Ann Gordon: so Kay, are you? Would you prefer that I take all the individual names out of this report and make it more generic as a as a commission accomplishment? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: That's what you said to me the very first annual report that you wrote, and you have adhered to that up to this year, that everything is a team effort, and we are all working together for these goals, but this year, we changed the format. Ann Gordon: I apologize I wasn't paying strict attention. Apparently I didn't. I didn't quite realize that, so I'm happy to go through and take all the names out so that nobody gets individual mention.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: How do other people feel about it? I mean, I don't want to be making the only decision even I Unknown: think it's good. I think it's hard to be consistent. I mean, I think we should recognize David, not in the annual report, but separately,
Bradford Carver: I agree being generic, not specific, names make sense, okay? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Rick or Tanya. Do you have a comment on that I didn't hear right? Okay, then I guess we will ask you to rewrite it so that it's a team effort that we've all worked together on these projects, either by support or actual work.
Ann Gordon: Okie doke, I can do that.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Any other comments there?
Ann Gordon: I'm just looking at the rest of your comments. Kay,
you asked about the signal at the depot was it completed and placed on the depot it was in our 24 annual report as having been very near completion at the end of that fiscal year, so We have already included it in last year's report. Unknown: So Katherine Gardner-Wescott: but it wasn't up and working like it was this fiscal year. But the fiscal year we're talking about,
Ann Gordon: I think I can't tell you the exact date, but it was in last year's report. We can repeat it if you think that is what you want. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, Rick is thinking. He's trying to figure out whether Richard Conard: I think it was substantially completed last year. So okay, we did this year was the illumination was done,
but I wouldn't include it. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Rick is saying if he doesn't feel that it should be included, even though more work was done on it this year by adding the illumination to it. So we'll let that go. It was just a question. Ann Gordon: Okay, and then I think you had one more comment
on the 2/50 anniversary planning. I had a sentence that says, WHC members serve on and support the Wayland road 250 organizing group. Your comment is what I guess you're asking. Why that's plural members, WHC members. You say you've never seen another WHC member at any of the meetings, right? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So we have a representative on the 250 would be sufficient that were represented on the 2/50 committee? Ann Gordon: Well, I've been doing all the publicity for all the events, so I'm not on the group, because I told Mary I would help her with publicity, but I didn't want to be on the committee, so I feel like I am contributing, but if you would rather keep it official, then you're right. You're the only one on the committee. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, I'm happy to say that, you know, there's a reference. There are people working with the committee and on the committee, if you like, that's happy with that. Ann Gordon: Well, that's why I said serve on and support, because some of us, you serve on the committee, some of us support the work in other ways. If you feel like it's a stretch, I'm happy to change Katherine Gardner-Wescott: it. I'm happy to include everybody that's supporting as well. And that's it. Richard Conard: Tanya had a comment about the word the wording archeological demonstrations Unknown: exhibits would be better. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Did you hear that? Anne, Ann Gordon: well, where are we?
Richard Conard: Anniversary, the next to last line, instead of archeological demonstrations, okay, suggesting archeological exhibits, Unknown: okay to do anything, but we'll have our cases with the artifacts in Ann Gordon: it, and that's okay. That's great. Thank you, man, thank you. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Another very good job. I think she deserved the thank you again. Ann Gordon: I will send another draft to everyone after I make these changes. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Now, has everybody seen the images? Those are just some image images. We can choose other images to include in the report, and that's a separate email and that you may not have seen yet, but it should have come. I'm opening it now, okay.
Ann Gordon: I mean, also we don't know what Jailyn will use when she puts a report together, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: or I Ann Gordon: don't know who puts it together, but we can submit what we want, right? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And those are just images that I had available to me last night. If other people have other images that they've taken during the year that they would like to to send to Ian and to all of us to see what one of them was. The for those of you that didn't see it, the woodwork, the workings of supporting the arch while they worked on it, so it shows all the wood. Call there Sharon, if you want to come around here and see this, so that both Amanda and and you can see it together. One of them is a completed arch, so you can see underneath the bridge, which a lot of people don't get to see. We're just one is of the 55 flood that caused the bridge to be the land on the other side to be removed. And we also have,
this is the 55 one, where you can see the flood waters going over the bridge. You can also see it connected to the Framingham side and and for cemetery cleanups, all I had were pictures of clean cemetery stones. That's all I had last night. And then, because we're supporting the 2/50 we could put a small 2/50 emblem next to that, or, you know, in that paragraph. Or whatever. But again, I Oh, I think there's one of Josh doing repair work in the cemetery, actually, right? And the others, the other two, were cleaner stones. But you may have photographs of activities that happen that are better. Bradford Carver: I thought the photographs were great. I i guess the 250th anniversary, or symbol, I thought, was probably the most appropriate, just because it's a 250th Yeah, I thought. I thought that the pictures were fabulous, but I thought, given it's a 250s I thought that probably made the most sense. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, it doesn't. We can have more than one picture. Oh, then put them all in. I
Bradford Carver: thought it was just a cover. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: No, okay, we can put in pictures. They may take some out, but we can put them in to the to our submission. Unknown: Maybe, can you indicate, like the your your Katherine Gardner-Wescott: preference? Do you have, do people have licenses, if the 250 is a Unknown: preference, for instance, and then right, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: if people feel that, because sand can always say we this is the order of our preference on the photographs. If we don't have room, we would like, really, like A, B or C to be included, Tower, Hill, signal Unknown: cabin should be in there. That's this Katherine Gardner-Wescott: year's. That's this year, not last year's. I know we're talking Unknown: fiscal year, right, right. Richard Conard: So it was completed before June 30 of this year. Oh, it was last Katherine Gardner-Wescott: fiscal year. Oh, well, I can send you pictures on that too, because we have, I have those pictures. So, yes, absolutely, because that's a wonderful thing. Oops. But I can do that later. Unknown: And even the restoration of the Tower Hill sign next to route 20 that Katherine Gardner-Wescott: was rebuilt, yes, and that's your photograph Unknown: that went in the newspaper, that was done even before the signal cabinet sometime during the year. Richard Conard: Oh, it wasn't our money when it was the insurance company of the vehicle. Unknown: No, it wasn't our money, but it was, I don't need to add her view, historical, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: wasn't it? Because you spoke up and asked Unknown: your efforts. Ann Gordon: So let me revisit something. Rick, you just said, Are you saying the Tower Hill signal cabinet was completed before the end of this fiscal year that we're reporting on? Richard Conard: Yeah, it was completed just before the end of June. It was here. So, oh, so for last fiscal year? Oh, actually, it was an accomplishment. Has done last, last school year. It's great. Ann Gordon: Oh, well, then I think we definitely need a photo of it, and I need to change the write up, because it says, what, what I I didn't think it had been completed before the end of the fiscal year. So I said that the work on the installation continued. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Yes, I agree with you, and I thought it wasn't done till after the fiscal year. So I totally missed that myself. I
Ann Gordon: uh, so I should change it to say the installation on the cabinet was completed. Yes, okay.
Richard Conard: With the grant from the Cultural Council, yeah, Ann Gordon: yeah, that's already it's in the in the first sentence, Unknown: there are
Ann Gordon: oh, okay, so I think I know what to do, and I will send everybody a new draft once I make these changes.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Okay, I just sent everybody a photograph of the Tower Hill wrap that was completed. So have you seen it that's completed? Yes, cool. Oh, my God, it's awesome. Isn't that awesome? I love. But cannot, terrific, Unknown: nicely done
picture,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: very cool that tells what year the mail was put in. Me. So thank you again, Ian for all that hard work and putting it while she's on vacation too, everybody it's supposed to be spending free time relaxing and enjoying herself. Okay, what's next? Unknown: Wow, I mean, and remember what it Katherine Gardner-Wescott: looks like after two scrubbings by Rick, that's what it looks like Unknown: scraping that whole
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: thing. Yes, I will just Yeah,
can we have a motion to accept the rewritten Annual Report without having to meet again? Unknown: So I moved second
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: the annual report we're voting on whether not we want to accept the rewritten annual report when Ian finishes, so that we don't have to meet again because it's due at the end of this month, and that means another meeting this month, which I think we would all like to avoid. Looking for a vote, yeah, not yet. I'm asking for any discussion at this point. Unknown: Oh, I thought somebody said, so low. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: He said, So moved. It's been seconded now discussion by Robert's Rules of Order, and then I can have a vote. No discussion, all right, and we're going to have a vote. We're going to start with Anne Unknown: Yes. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Amanda Brad, yes. Sherry, Ann, yes. Tanya, oh, they can't hear you. Nod your head. You have to say yes. Thank you for Rick, yes. And Kay, yes. Unknown: Thank you. This. Go to the paper. What did this? Go to the paper? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: It was sent to the paper, and they did not put Unknown: it in what you've got both you're friends with Katherine Gardner-Wescott: what's I know, and I sent them several different shots. So yes, let's see we're open. So I think what we'll do is, if people don't mind, we'll take Sherman bridge activity and move that forward in our meeting. And would you like to come sit closer and participate Doug? And Doug, I owe you an apology. I stated that I had sent a letter to several boards. As it turns out, that was for stone bridge, not German bridge. So I'm sorry for the misrepresentation. Sorry, Doug, do you want to move it? Yeah, you need to be around where people can see you need to move or no, he could sit right down here next to Brad.
Unknown: Uh, Sean I just talked to, the situation is necessarily service to read 20 year old words. So every 10 years or so, this German spreadsheet topic seems to pop up. And first I heard of it was the August 4 selections meeting where they discussed a cooperation agreement with sun dairy. July 15 was the DEP W meeting, where they gave some discussion to about 10 minutes. And I think the situation is basically that the detection has been found to be acceptable by the state.
Here file the public records request today, got the engineering reports of another engineering but I think what I was able to discern from the July 15 discussion of the DEP w is that the proposal and there actually may be a public forum on this October 1 and Sudbury for residents of both towns, but I think the issues are with the decking of the bridge itself and not the under structure. That the proposal will be to replace the decking at a total cost, about $1.6 million which would be split accordingly between the two pounds. I mean, I don't know if you want. Flooring gun in your house, but it's 100 foot long bridge that's one feet wide, so that's 2000 square feet. So do the math there, and on the cost, they mentioned that the July 15 meeting was that mentioned that it might be done using material called glulam. And glulam, I think, is a m and a wood composite. Tom Holder said something interesting that blue lamb is classed as an asphalt derivative. Sorry, say that again, blue lamb is classed as an asphalt derivative. I saw an email with Tom on Monday asking, why is it an asphalt derivative? I mean, I think what it was probably being, the stuff you see is, you know, engineered beams and stuff and glued together. And it's the blue asphalt, or, really, Tom asphalt, or whatever. And I think if, in fact, it's glue lamb, it looks like wood, it will hold up longer. That actually may be a reasonable option. I, for one, certainly would hate to see the historic wooden nature of the bridge pampered with, you know, we love our bridge. We love the six wooden events. Both an architect and Cliff Lewis himself told me that, you know, the under structures is very, very solid. It's also coated with creosote, which is going to prevent, you know, deterioration. I'm not sure you could coated with creosote over sun today. I think the current bridge was built around 1990 you know, been talking to folks in the neighborhood was going to about 50 people on the topic, you know, the old you know, you've heard it from the mechanics, from your surgeon, that, as long as the patient's open, is there anything else you should be doing? And I think this is an opportunity to look talk about, you know, maybe doing more for the passive recreation that happens around the bridge. I mean, it is a major place for numerous kayaks and the occasional bass boat to the launch. It's a great place for bird watching. You have basically two square miles of the central meadows and the National Wildlife Refuge visible from the bridge. It's a very frequently used road for bicyclists, especially with the new bike paths opening up in Sudbury, because it's the only way to cross the river that's not on a numbered state or federal highway for about eight miles in either direction, and it's great place for folks in the neighborhood and others to take a walk. So, you know, one of the things that's being discussed is, you know, would this be a good time to add a second pedestrian walkway on the south side of the bridge? Kind of common compliment the one already on the west side of the bridge. And an architect in the neighborhood hasn't even suggested, well, that would be great or be even greater. And he thinks it would be relatively easy to cancel you for this is to pump it out, you know, five or six feet further in the middle, and have some sort of picnic table or place for the community. Did you mention fishing? Fishing? Yeah, so I forgot to mention fishing. I mean, one of those heart warming things is when, you know, when I ride my bike down there on a Saturday, or even, you know, Wednesday after school, and there are a couple 10 year olds fishing out there. So same, bigger people than that doesn't warm my heart quite as much. But you're right. It's a great place to fish. And the other topic that brings up, of course, is that, yeah, it's a given all that passive recreation use, and given just the nature of Sherman's Bridge Road, it happens to be the hilliest Road in town, along with Woodbridge on an elevation change per mile basis. Should we do something about following the traffic through there? And you know, I know that Sudbury, as Lincoln Road, which joins the bridge, goes rather, we are hill. They have a 20 mile an hour speed limit there. I think you probably do a lot with a 20 or 15 mile an hour speed limit. I think you could do a lot with painting, you know, bringing bike lanes and making it clear the car should be going very slowly, and then, you know, deferring to pedestrians and cyclists through the stretch from the bridge right up to number 61 Sherman's bridge river so and the other thing that we've talked about for a long time is basically the town and or the National Wildlife Refuge owns that stretch from number one Sherman's Bridge Road down the bridge, where the existing walkway is on the west side of the bridge and should be there. A, either a formal or, shall we call it a, don't ask, don't tell footpath there for all to use. So, yeah, that's my understanding of the situation. And I think, I think the historic nature of the bridge certainly speaks for itself. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: But so are you advocating for a wood platform to Unknown: go across the world. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I mean, I think everyone involved, who does not build or hire people to build roads for wants to see the historic nature, and part of that is a wood bridge with wood decking. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, at the Historical Society, they have an article, I believe, from 1987 talking about petition that everybody have to keep it right, a wood bridge. And it's from a historical point of view that would be the nature that I think that we, after discussion, could possibly support, yes, Unknown: yeah. I mean, I think first, well, first, you know what I think this happening so far, is that the wooden underpinnings of the bridge would stay wood, and then the question is, what's the best alternative to fix the decking? Which is what the state finds insufficient? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I guess that is what. And you would like the decking to stay wood? Oh, absolutely, yes. Okay, that's what I was really the Unknown: question is, I think one of the first questions is whether this blue Lane stuff looks like is wood and looks like wood. Richard Conard: How do you spell that? Is that? Unknown: When I Googled it, it's G, l, u, l, a, m, the Wikipedia article, I found out it said nothing about asphalt, um,
Richard Conard: pertaining to the historic nature of the bridge from I looked at our Historical Commission files this morning that Kate had had our volunteers pull out, and apparently the current structure dates from about 1991 or two. Yeah, the entire bridge was replaced as part of a timber bridge special funding program. Yes, so there are copies of these copy but the current Ridge is not in and of itself, historic, Unknown: right? Historically is the Richard Conard: predecessor bridges, and the fact that there was a bridge at that location does make it a historic site? Unknown: Yes, yeah. And the previous bridge, I believe, was built in 1925 renovated 1947 and from this article and other sources, it sounds like it was absolutely beyond repair. From the photos, it actually looked a lot less historic the current bridge. Richard Conard: The current bridge does look historic. Yes, because it's built to timber bridge. Yes, design the decking. I went out there and looked at it myself, and I can testify that I got some creosote. Yeah, crawling underneath the beams from underneath look like they're in great condition. Yeah, it's just the decking, and the vehicles rattle when they go over the decking, and I can see where the decking is in a ship. But, and it's curious that the bridge is not posted. I mean, from what I have seen, if it was a weight, you know, structural issue, it would be posted. So I assume there are fuel trucks. Unknown: And what would there? I'm glad you raised that, because I'm always wondering, here's this beautiful bridge. We have semi trucks going over all the time, especially from retail landscapes. Yeah, it has a couple of large places in sun Bernie. We've got five or six school busses a day going to Lincoln Sudbury High School each way. We have other big trucks that went by. And we've seen, you know, the road itself is not intended to be a major partial throw up there, and why has there never been like, you know, a common sense weight limit, like five Tom put on it while you were discussing the annual report and stuff, I was searching on Sherman's bridge. And, you know, Lewis at a Board of Public Works meeting a couple years ago asked the same question, and the response was, Well, that's, you know, ask the Select Board, because they're the road memberships, yeah, maybe that's something we should be asking the road commissioners for. Richard Conard: So from the material you sent out, I guess the bridge is expected every six months now, instead of two years, yes, yeah. So if you were able to obtain a copy of the inspection report today, Unknown: I've got it in your back. I just don't have to say I got it, yeah, Richard Conard: that would probably indicate the structural condition. They probably identified the deck as the as the issue is, I just Bradford Carver: took a quick glance right now, and I think that's what it's done back and make sure. So I so I understand where we are currently. The discussion is to put this glue Lane decking on which it looks like some sort of wood or wood composite, is that? But the current thinking is, I think so. I think that's what, that's what will be revealed on October 1 of the public forum, okay, and, and this is a joint effort between Sudbury and Wayland. It's had a cost of 1.6 that would be split between the two towns, with a little bit of an aspect, like the driving motion on that. And that is, I think the state has offered to pay for the cost of materials, which is around three or four. And do we know if Sudbury and or Wayland have actually allocated the money for that? Yet, on the July the take of the July 15 Board of Public Works meetings, Tom holder basically talked about, they have the latitude and the way that the funds are allocated, where they, you know, for instance, publish the list of streets expected to be repaid in the next fiscal year, to jump the key for this project, if it makes sense. Okay, yeah, because I was going to say, if the money hasn't been allocated, nothing's going to happen for a while, but, but I understand the same I think they feel they have a latitude for, you know, the six or $7,000 from cost Wayland to move it up, right? And I guess, because it's, it's a new bridge, meaning 1991 it's, it's built to historic standards, which is, which is great, I guess. I'm not sure if, and I certainly think I love the way it looks.
But do we, and we can certainly opine on what we would like to see happen. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, we can, as historical commissioners in protection of the history of Wayland, we can certainly push for wood planking to go on a decking. And the second that's one thing. And the second thing, and especially when you were discussing adding another pedestrian walkway, is concerns about possible archeology disturbances there, because Castle Hill sensitive side, it's within a half a mile. And there are other sites that are also within half a mile of the radius. Plus, I would think the Sudbury Valley trustees would also be concerned about that as well, and so we would want to be involved in any digging that would be done. There wouldn't be any digging. Well, you have to put the posts in for Unknown: recording the architect, and you've seen the strength of thing. I think you just cantilever. The way that the existing walkways is cantilever on the other side, Bradford Carver: basically just putting some additional 45 degree angle posts on the bridge. I see nothing you do in the Katherine Gardner-Wescott: kitchen now, all right, I understand. So they would have to get as far as the bridge before they would have the pedestrian walkway Right, right, instead of building a platform at either end of the and having it as a separate I'm sorry, I didn't understand that. Unknown: Okay, Doug, can I ask you a question? Is that so there is no opportunity, no chance for us to retain what at this point? Um, it's pretty No, it's, it's, I think we're looking at a different type of board. That's what's being proposed. Yeah, that's being proposed. But, I mean, there's no opportunity for us to say we would like the state to consider changing the the types of vehicles allowed to cross and and the speed with which they cross Diana purview. I'm just asking, yeah, I think that's a stance that residents could take. Okay, I of course, would prefer number one to stick with wood right and then right. If we can't, if that is already off the table, then the next best thing is something that looks like what? But I, I just wanted to understand if that was on the table. So it should have the tape and, yeah, and you know, the question is, the complaints are, and the issues are, is that the rough cut was there and the bolts take a beating and get loose and pop up. The question is, would that still happen if school busses and track? Trailer, so don't go over Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well, unfortunately, I don't know that we have much impact on the traffic or the speed limit, right? It goes over the bridge, but we can certainly advocate for wood planking and work with the Sudbury Historical Commission, which is pretty powerful in Sudbury, to support that idea, but I don't know that we, other than individuals who may or may not want to support but as a commission, I don't think that we have much say in the other Unknown: understood statement, right Katherine Gardner-Wescott: anybody else have questions or comments. So like in 1987 Yes, 1987 setting up a petition for neighbors and people who use the bridge. I was there looking at it also, and the first night that I read about the meeting, and I thought to myself, well, these cars are not going 20 miles an hour. They're not and they're coming from Sudbury. Most of them are from Sudbury and but even those that were headed to Sudbury, we're speeding right along. Yeah, it's interesting. Unknown: There's actually not much that much traffic on Sherman Road, except during morning rush hour, particular, especially it's work on those something we've got a stop sign a couple of years ago, there a fun fact is there are 200 tour cars a day going west on Sherman's Bridge Road, and east, there more people use to Avoid morning Katherine Gardner-Wescott: rush hour, but after to avoid route 20 and so forth, right? Unknown: And, of course, the complicating factor during the morning rush hour is you have a bunch of probably 7516 or 17 year olds driving to Lincoln Sudbury High School, one way, with folks held back through Boston. The other way. But if you mail those mailbox posts
Richard Conard: and stuff, Unknown: there's some model cars that use that as a bathroom, because Sunbury Central and 126 and especially, see a lot of them. And, you know, I think it's probably picked up a Watson squeeze and Google Maps data. Bradford Carver: Actually, I can tell you one of the reasons why there may be discrepancy, because Gleason language I live on, okay, is also a cut through, yes, but they have turn restrictions there during rush hour. Now, okay, they're probably directed on insurance, so there's some assuming there's some structural symmetry, yes, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right. Well, when I was there, it was late, it was around seven, and there were and I wasn't there very long. I'm long enough to walk across the bridge, we're back again, and go down and talk to a few kayakers, but there must have been a dozen cars that went both ways. So there was activity in the evening, other than rush hour, is Unknown: what I'm trying to say. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So it is a concern, and I have reached out to Chris Hager at Sudbury Historical Commission. I have yet to hear back from him about anything, but honestly, I was unaware of the October 1 meeting, and where is that going to be? Unknown: Oh, that's likely to be in Sudbury. In Sudbury, whispered, so Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I wrote down Sunbury, but I didn't know where. Yeah, so any other comments or questions Unknown: or didn't hear what you've said last day Katherine Gardner-Wescott: of the October meeting that will be a combination of Wayland and Sudbury to discuss the bridge is going to probably be held in Sudbury, so we have to keep an eye out to see what that is. And I said before that that I reached out to Chris Hager for to hear what his committee thought, and I have not heard back from him. On anything else you want to share. Unknown: No, I mean, I just, you know, obviously, any it's great that you're offering to work with the Sudbury Historical Commission and state the views of the Wayland mission. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Further stories in the post about this, Unknown: we see a screen to post about us and other other media. Yeah, it's, it's interesting things like the West weekly article popping up all the time and, and there is a, you know, it's interesting story. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: It is. And we're here to try to keep it as historically accurate as possible. We can do that if it had sleeping in funding. But since it doesn't, Unknown: or you forgot the word yet, yeah,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: you'll see. Okay. Thank you for coming in. I really appreciate that
Unknown: agenda.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So we're back to Wayland festival of help now. How many of you are familiar with Wayland festival that's going on on October 4? Jerry Ann, is it is kind of an outreach of a combination of multicultural festival and touch a truck merging together to honor the town in the community, the organizations in the town. And it's also an entertainment for lots of different organizations to come forward and show their particular, particular artistic skills. And so we have been invited to have a table there. This is an opportunity to show that there is a Historical Commission and what we do, it also helps us to help them understand that we're not the local the historic district or the historical society, that we are own entity. We're the only state approved legal entity for the town to preserve the history of the town, and what we do, how we do to do that. Now, of course, a lot of interest would be in the Native American artifacts that we have that we can display, and there should be some identification of what the article is and what it's used for, because not everybody here is familiar with Native American artifacts, but it is a very long day. It is almost nine hours. It doesn't mean that we can't leave early if we feel the traffic is down and we're exhausted because we are a small group of seven. But it also means that we have to share our time on October 4, and we have to be there. Not one person can be there all day. And it means maybe an hour and a half to two hours, depending on your ability to stay, I have asked for a table. They do not provide any covering from sun or wind or rain, so we would need something to help us with that, Unknown: especially to perfect our exhibits, protect all what our exhibits of artifacts. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Yes, our artifacts. But I also want to show beyond the Native American that we also are interested in historic buildings and our flag program and things like that. So what I need is people to sign up for hours, and unlike Sherry Ann, I did not have a chance because I don't have a printer to print off a sign up sheet. But I will be sending one out, and I expect all of us to participate the best we can, and I know that I will be covering two different tables at two different times of the day, so I'm not real sure that I can give you more than two hours or three hours at the Most, but and the most important part is the setting up, which starts at 930 in the morning, and then the taking down and returning items to the lab into the office, which means not just dumping them there for the next time somebody comes in, but actually putting them away, so that when the lab opens and the office opens again, it's presentable and people can work in there. I also think that we need to talk about how to present some of these items, because presenting things, we can have a plaque of folder to hand out we can have a plaque actually there. How do we show the interest in the historical buildings in town, not just houses, but buildings as well. And I understand you already have. Boxes of Native American artifacts that you can bring that you don't have to do anything for Unknown: that. You have several. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So I need everybody's thoughts on this, because I certainly don't have the answers.
Bradford Carver: My immediate thought is that, first of all, it hasn't been terribly well advertised. I didn't know about it until you told told me about it, but, but I think you can have much people just kind of wandering around. And I think if you want to grab their attention, what you're probably going to need are like large, ultra sized photographs that would grab their attention. And what, what I'm thinking of are like the stones bridge, for example, the cemetery stone pictures that you have something that are all in Wayland, maybe a picture of one of the older houses in Wayland. But I think that you need three or four large polter size photographs that are going to draw people in and then you can talk to them, or perhaps have handouts and explain what, what we do, how we go about making those posters, I'm not Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and budgeting for it, right? Because we've had, we have speakers lined up that are going to take up most of our budget, because we're limited to $1,000 so this means budgeting for pictures at Staples or wherever that we decide to get them done and and how to set them up. You can't just leave them flat on the table, because nobody will notice them, and you need some sort of support for them, because otherwise the blow away and wind all things that we need to think about. But I like the idea of the pictures, because, like you say, we can't bring stone bridge there. We can't bring a house there, that kind of thing. Any creative ideas and your heart? Ann Gordon: Well, I was not clear on what you said about the budget. Is there money for us to pursue ideas like Brad's? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, we have Dennis Picard. We have to pay for Yeah, we have the Native American speaker that Tanya is negotiating with to pay for. And did we think Francis Perkins? No, that's out of the 2/50 that's the 250 Well, if we do Francis Perkins in cooperation with the 2/50 we were thinking that there might be some funds left over for speakers so that the commission could also get credit for bringing Francis Perkins to this children, the high school children, her speaking there because she's more expensive to speak to them only because they have over 200 people. They said that would be in particular, would be in the audience to watch her, and our price goes up according to the size of her audience. But this is important, and it's something that we can use again later on. So we may say we just don't have the money for Francis Perkins. And so Bradford Carver: can I ask about Tom resources? I mean, we're a commission of the town. Does the town have, like tables, a table and a chair and that sort of thing that they can provide? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, I asked for the Wayland festival people if they would supply the table and chairs. So I have not heard a negative on that, so I'm counting on that. But as they clearly said, we have no sun protection or winter rain production that totally is up to you to participate and take care of so and as far as I know, there's no funding pot of money in the town that would pay for any of the things that we've been talking about. Unknown: Well, Rick and I last Wednesday, went up to the recreation department to talk to them, and Peter reference with Francois, yeah, is who we spoke with Yes. And he said, Oh, we can always get new tables at no problem. But he didn't say anything about the overhead, though, so, but they are trying to bring a tag from the Museum of our national air. Of Egypt to this event. And I think there were some logistic problems trying to get that, you know. So he told us about that, and we were interested to hear that he would make sure that we would try to get a table so Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well we already have the table. We do. I mean, we have the site. She has not made the table plan, so to speak, like you do for a wedding of where everybody's going to be. Also, I have just a question. Do we want to be seated next? Should we ask to be seated next to the Historical Society? Or would you rather be in a location that was different, so that people would clearly see that we're two different organizations, and also history gets hit twice, instead of all in one spot, or you want to combine them together so that we make a bigger impact on history. I don't know which way you want to look at it, I guess so. I'm asking for opinions.
Unknown: I think in some ways, to be separate but close by would be good, but to be together would be also good. I think that way we could explain the difference between our organizations.
Bradford Carver: Is the historic district Commission also going to be there. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I have not heard that they are we, because we're an active group where the historic district is more an inclusive area that only affects a certain number of people, but whereas we affect the whole town, the society affects the whole town. That we've been asked to participate. Bradford Carver: My reaction would be that the two should be next to each other. Unknown: Okay, I had a complete opposite. I had an opposite thought. I thought we should be the complete opposite side of this face, Bradford Carver: but I get my i That was my first thought when Kay mentioned it. But then I thought, but people are going to go to the Historical Society, and then they're going to go to the Historical Commission, and somebody's going to say, Well, what do you guys do? What what you're going to say? What's the difference between you two? And for that reason, I thought just put them together, because they're going to ask the question, what? What's the difference between the two? Unknown: I do, I do think we have to avoid them going to only one, thinking that they're the same thing. Agree and and I think that that will, that will have to do with how we decorate each part. Decorate each one, I guess Katherine Gardner-Wescott: what we present, right? Yeah, I kind of agree with separation, because one is town supported or town active, and the other is a 501, 3c independent. They are asking for memberships. We don't ask for memberships. We could create a pickup handout that says, What's the difference, if we wanted to go that far, but it just seems to me that while history is the same interest. We have two different sets of goals here, one for the commission in the historical society, for theirs. So that was my reaction, but I can see your point that.
But will they be? Will we have more of an opportunity to explain the difference if they come up and say, Well, wait a minute, I just saw the society over there. What do you do versus I'm at the society table and I'm walking away because you're just more history. Bradford Carver: No, it's good. Yeah, I don't, I don't disagree with anything that the two of you said, but we Unknown: don't, but he's but you're right. We don't want, we don't want to have a colonial image of a house that happens skip our table because they already saw a colonial house with the Katherine Gardner-Wescott: other it's a our house doesn't have to be colonial because it doesn't have to be a colonial Unknown: No, no. I know that's what I'm saying. I think it's all about how we present, present it, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right? So Unknown: unfortunately, it's with the black soap. So the plaques are a very cool feature that we can profile and promote. Yeah, right, but, but you know that, so I almost that's something i. That might lead them to think, you know, with the homes, I don't know that that's, that's the only, that's the confusing part. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: The The other thing is, I hate to say this, because I know we're using up a lot of time, but we're not meeting again, unless you want to meet again, just on this topic. But decisions have to be made today, because the fourth comes before our next meeting, I think, doesn't it? Yes, yeah, so decisions have to be made today, although I will send out sign up sheets to everybody later. But we have to decide what we're going to promote, what we're going to show, and how much money we can spend out of our budget. Unknown: Yeah, that's the question. If we start at 930 when is the official end Katherine Gardner-Wescott: at 636? Um, seven. Now whether they stop at six and say the last half hours for packing up, I don't know. I haven't heard that one way or the other. I've just been told 930 set up. Unknown: 630 10 o'clock opening, according to the town site, it's 10 to six, and this the official hours, okay? And so set up is before that breakdown is after, right? And you have Tom 10 to 610. To six. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Also, you have to realize that I don't know where they're going to tell you to park. So how, how heavy, or what you bring, you probably have to carry to your site. My understanding is the tables are set up along Andrew Avenue. That's the road with the little bumps in it. There will be a parade that will go down Andrew Avenue, and so people will be walking in this, probably in the streets as well as the sidewalk, so which means there may be people behind you and people in front of you. You can't leave the table unattended, because they're expecting 2000 people, based, I think, on the multicultural and the touch of truck, uh, people that have come before, forget the tech. Well, if the tank comes, but I mean, the point is, they're expecting over 2000 people to come, which means that we really, and nobody should say, Oh, I don't know anything about Native American artifacts. Or I don't know what you do is you respond and say, Oh, if you're really interested, give me your email and I'll have somebody who does know answer you, or you can divert them to some other topic that you do know something about. So even if you feel uncomfortable saying, I really don't know anything about this, because, for whatever reason, we still need your presence there, feel free to invite a spouse or family members or a friend to come and sit with you. If you don't want to sit alone at the table, because we're such a small group, I can't guarantee that there will be two of us there the whole time. Unknown: So and I asked another question, just where along Andrew Avenue are things areas where we're going to set up? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I have absolutely no idea, because she has not set up the table yet. From what my understanding, she's in the process of doing that, and that's why I wanted to put in a request of whether we wanted to be next to the historical society or a distance away from the Historical Society. Just what is the she, who's running a friend, Pollock, is doing the tables. Bradford Carver: It seems to me that Tom Green, you know, the the banks of grass, no, on Katherine Gardner-Wescott: the avenue. We're on the Avenue, the stage is set up for the entertainment. There at the base is going to be the porta potties and the where the performers will get ready to go on to the stage, so that's totally filled behind Ace Hardware is going to be the touch of truck or tank area. Food trucks will be down at the COA. And the Andrew Avenue would be the thoroughfare between all these venues. Bradford Carver: Well, that would tell me, then they're going to close off the traffic on Andrews and the tables would be set up on the road. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: It that could be. But again, you're going to have people in front of you, right Unknown: behind you, be on the side, through that through the tables. Bradford Carver: To be on the sidewalk, right? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I would think we would be on the sidewalk because of the parade going through, but that's first thing in the morning, and whether they'll say, Now, move on that. Move yourself down into the street or the people on the sidewalk. I'm not no. I've been informed. Yes. Ann Gordon: And Tanya, are you asking because you're worried about how you're going to get your artifacts to the site?
Unknown: Well, I'm not too worried about it. We can just put them in a Ann Gordon: car and drive them over, right? I think we can certainly drop things off close to where we're going to be. I think we can drop our things close to the site, and even if we can't park close. Yeah? So okay, you're looking for us each to sign up for maybe a two hour shift. Is that the bottom line? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Yeah, exactly. Well, there's seven of us. So if people take a minimum of 90 minutes, maybe some people will have to work a little bit longer than others. Or if you wanted to be generous, and do a two hour shift, that would be even better. And that would include, that does not really include the setup and take down. That's an added time that somebody would have to carry the stuff and put it on the table and carry it back and then unload it back here at Town Hall, or maybe keep it till Monday morning. I don't know if you can get in on the weekend back here at Town Hall, town building, Ann Gordon: yeah, I think that's, that's a good question. Well, I'm happy to sign up for a shift if you're going to send us a sign up sheet, yes, and it would be, I think it'd be nice for all of us if we overlap a little bit with each other, so that Absolutely, we're not just doing it by ourselves in terms of what to display. I really like Brad's idea of the large photos. And if we can rustle up a little bit of money from our budget to pay for that, I think it would be money well spent, because we could use them at other events. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So now I need to know what photographs that you want to I mean, if we want to print out a flyer application, that's money for printing that out, unless we can do that as a printer working in the lab. Do you know Bradford Carver: when a flat flyer application for flat, flat? Oh, well, that, well, we have the application that that's going to be on the agenda. I have suggestions on changing, okay, but that's just printing, you know, 100 applications. That's for 50
or 25 that's not hard. I can, I can do that. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Okay, so the handouts, Brad's going to take care of, for the plaques, Unknown: and have a list of once we decide on not qualifications, but guidelines for how you can choose a house to be flat, oh, to have at least four talking there. So those of us man and get questions, we've at least got something to look at, yep, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: which is the other big topic on the today's agenda. Okay, so black guidelines. What about choosing a house that to display? Unknown: See that's, I don't think we should, because I think that's, that's fairly confusing. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I don't think well at this, at this point in time, the plans are not to have any house display at the Historical Society. Unknown: But I think that they're just going to assume, if they see a historical home, they're going to assume that within Historical Commission, that it's, I think instead, that we we put either the bridge or we put either Sherman's bridge, since it's going to be in the news, or we put stones bridge, or we put a projectile point. Or, I think, like the Bradford Carver: tower, build train tower. Bill Ann Gordon: perfect. I think that the train signal at the DEP Unknown: signal, yeah, or, or your noi tower, Hill cabinet, some, some, some success that we've had recently
that's a better Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well, but the Commission also, and this is something else that will be brought up at a future. Meaning is Macris, which we all love to go to and find out about the history of the area and the house. We haven't done anything in that in a long time, and we really need to continue to research houses, especially in the Cochituate area. There's a lot been done in the north end of town, but very few done in the Cochituate town to be placed on the Macros. Macros is not a done deal. It's an ongoing project, and we have neglected to participate in that for a very long time. And it's time that we do maybe one house or two houses a year or something, but that's for later discussion. But what I'm trying to point out is the history of buildings in town, and it doesn't have to be a house. We could take a public building and we, we are people that are doing the history of it. We're the ones. Unknown: No, I can't get you and I, and I totally I understand what our mission is. I just don't want to confuse people upfront. That's all. But if you maybe it's just me. Oh no, no. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I don't want to put you on the spot. I'm just saying that. I'm trying to show that we have a diversity of history that we're interested in protecting, and I think we can discuss Unknown: that with people, and I think even if we have it on the table. But I think the big thing that draws people in should be something different. Well, I like, Bradford Carver: there's actually a blend of that. What you could do is going to have a photograph, have a photograph of a plaque on a house, say, an older house, zoom, kind of zoomed in on the on the plat, so you see it's an older house. You're not necessarily highlighting the house. You're highlighting the plan. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I don't know. Okay, maybe you could work on that, since I'm working on some of these other things, Bradford Carver: sure. Yeah, we have to work on the whole right photographs on the board. I'm not right that need, we need Ann Gordon: Brad, if you're if you're willing, I'll work with you on the photographs. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Okay, great. And, and what about the signage that we're planning on? I mean, people ought to know that we are putting out signs too, even though that hasn't actually happened yet, but we're working on it. Yeah. Ann Gordon: I mean, we don't have anything to show so nothing, you know, there's no photograph that we Katherine Gardner-Wescott: you have, you have the mansion in mock up kind of thing. Ann Gordon: I'm not in favor of that, because it's, it's just not a done deal, and it's something you know, that's been on our agenda for so long. I just, I feel uncomfortable that Katherine Gardner-Wescott: deal, but it is a thing that we have been working on for a very long time, and I have more information on that, which I will refer to after we finish this discussion, but just keep it in the back of your mind. I'm not going to forget something you don't want to do. Ann Gordon: Well, Brad and I will put our heads together and come up with a recommendation.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, do we have to meet again to come to a finalization that's why I'm trying to get final decisions today. Ann Gordon: Well, I don't think we can make final decisions in this meeting. I don't think we know enough about what photos we have access to. I feel like I have a good sense from the discussion that we're interested in, maybe a railroad subject matter like the Tower Hill signal or the,
I'm sorry, the Tower Hill signal cabinet, or the signal at the DEP, I think something like stones bridge or large structure in town, I personally would recommend a before and after cemetery stone, because that's a huge project. A lot of money we're spending from the town, and we should show people what they're getting for their money. Bradford Carver: And we have those pictures from Josh, yeah, we Ann Gordon: have a lot of pictures, and then maybe we do a close up of a plaque, as you suggested. Or maybe that's a smaller, you know, in a little Plexiglas frame standing next to the applications. That explains what the plaque program is, I don't think we everything needs to be in a, you know, big poster size photo.
Unknown: I would prefer to have a real plot as an example. Bradford Carver: That's more money, though. Price costs 70 bucks. We don't Unknown: have a good demo. One different, yeah. Bradford Carver: I have photographs of plaques that that we could blow up or make into there about the accurate size, but I don't have any
Unknown: accepted too Bradford Carver: just I can just take one off old houses, Unknown: a more recent one, and for us to show, Bradford Carver: actually, to that point we, in all seriousness, we have four applications. If we got one of them approved, I had to sign made before October 4. I'm sure the homeowner would say, yeah, we can borrow it for the Katherine Gardner-Wescott: What about the restoration one that wanted a new refresher plaque to replace the one they had. I would ask them if they put it on their house yet. If they haven't, maybe we could borrow Bradford Carver: theirs. Well, I guess that's what I'm saying. I haven't approved any of these yet. Oh, okay, but what I'm saying is, if we approve one or more of them, I could ask the homeowner, before it gets put on, can we just borrow the front I'm sure they'd say yes. I'm sure Katherine Gardner-Wescott: they were too Okay, so posters, and that's going to have, Unknown: I would suggest one of the posters to go with the pictures is to say Wayland Historical Commission. So you got a big name on our table? Yeah, I agree with that. I'd the tables going to be this thing or bigger Katherine Gardner-Wescott: or, I have not been told, Tanya, I have no information to give you. Oh, I could see Unknown: two or three artifacts. I wouldn't bring them all. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: You're going to have to be selected. What I would also suggest is on these photographs. Is this a collage that you're putting together? Are you suggesting doing an
Ann Gordon: I don't, I can't answer that. Brad and I will, Brad and I will make a recommendation. Bradford Carver: I guess the only thing I would say is they need. Each photograph needs to be large enough so that if you're 10 feet away, you can see it and say, That's interesting and walk up to it. As opposed to Katherine Gardner-Wescott: what I was wondering about, was a handout that explained a little, not a lot, a little history, like on stones bridge or on the road, Tower Hill, or what was the other one that you were talking about? Oh, cemeteries, that, this is a CPA project that that we brought to the town and are supporting, and what's happening, just a few lines or something, so that, if, say, if I'm talking to somebody else, and somebody walks up and they're just looking at the pictures and then walk away, but there's some text that they can read. It can be either in a handout or underneath the picture, explaining so that they're engaged while the person behind the table is engaged with somebody else. Ann Gordon: Yeah, I understand. I can, I can do that.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Okay, all right. Unknown: Well, there is a paper in an whole publication about the beginning of the Wayland archeology group that Bobby Robinson had written. How we got started. And I don't remember how many pages it is, but we could make copies of that. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I think that's too much, and I don't think people, they may pick it up, but then not really follow through reading on it, and we paid for the expense of printing it all up and so forth. So unless you can pair it down to a paragraph or so, you know that's of interest, but maybe you could probably Unknown: do it to one sheet.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: But again, we're talking about cost of printing, cost of doing public a colored, I assume, colored photographs, plaques, posters. And I was thinking that we should have a small 250 logo on our table, because we are paying for or not? Yes, we're paying for Anne's doing the PR. Are you for the 2/50 Is that correct Anne to yes and and I have gotten speakers which will have the commission as a co sponsor for the 2/50 and so we want to show that we are participating in that as well. I don't think it has to be as big as perhaps what you're talking about, but it needs the Yeah, the image needs to be there so people know that that we're doing. Do that, anything else that people can think of, be sure that you bring your own drinks don't dehydrate.
Unknown: Do I have a tent? I don't have a tent Katherine Gardner-Wescott: or cover or a large umbrella that you can attach to a table. Unknown: Tom and I were talking about that the other night, and he we used to have one of those tar things, but I think we got rid of it a long time ago. So did I? I mean, I used to have a pop up, but for soccer. But I don't know where it is in the mood. I don't know, somewhere in the bother of my Facebook. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, even though you may not personally own one, maybe you have a friend who can ask and see if they know somebody who has one. I mean, we don't have to limit it just to seven. We can spread out the ask for help. But we're not above asking for help on things. So you know, I would follow up on that by Unknown: being able to rent one. They're expensive. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: They are very expensive. Unknown: So Well, no, there are possible and expensive, Fonda and expansive Watkins, which you can buy, yeah, they're not that expensive to buy, but I think to rent would be at least. And Katherine Gardner-Wescott: also, if you buy the ones that are on legs, remember, you're on a sidewalk and a road or a road, there's no ground to stick the things into so that's another concern. Unknown: That's true. No pegs to go through the property, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right? And I think they'd be Unknown: happy, and that's a problem. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So you will be something you have to put sandbags on to keep it upright, or whatever. But that's just things to be considered. That's why a table umbrella would be really ideal. If somebody has one of those, or knows somebody that has one, has visited somebody who had one, that anything you might be able to borrow any other questions that I can't answer on this.
Unknown: Who's going to ask another question? If we want some kind of little poster printed up, what can we do? I'm not My hands aren't good for printing out posters anymore. I don't think so. Is there an easy way that we can get that done? When you say posters, what do you still I mean something about the artifacts and, you know, just a little thing to put out so people can see, read about it.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Are you talking about folding paper in half and having something here or, well, you could put that on a computer and print it out, and then if I can Unknown: get my computer back, it's been in Cambridge for months,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: but we do need some information about the artifacts, especially for those of us that are not as familiar with them, so we can read it and regurgitate it back to the public, so to speak. Unknown: Might have something in the office for you. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Might see what you've already got for labels and see what so choose carefully what you bring. Maybe you could just bring the things that have labels on them. Unknown: Well, I remember that the pieces of cardboard that Tom used to make, and he had that wonderful printing, and so he used to make some really nice things for exhibits. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And I would request, if it's at all possible, that you bring some artifacts that can be touched, that people can actually touch. Unknown: So we have one box like that, but I've got another box. Well, one box is over in the single way on exhibit. The artifacts are from the box, and then we have another one. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: People like to touch things. So if you if people like to touch things. So if we could bring something that the kids can pick up, or the parents can pick up, we have Unknown: a box like that. It says, Please touch Richard Conard: it's a white cardboard box. It's a cardboard Unknown: box about this, Fay, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: okay, and so you just have to pay attention that nobody walks off with something. Bradford Carver: But that would be my concern, because if you have, and I don't mean in a disparate way, to catch it all, but I could see a kid picking up a. An artifact and putting in his Unknown: pocket that happened in the third grade, and quite bit, right? Bradford Carver: So I'm a little concerned about, well, you have that many people walking by, things that you can pick up and touch, because they may not, they may be touched into fear. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, if you put the artifacts back here where you're sitting, rather than out front unattended, I think. And you could say here, would you like to hold this and see how heavy it is, or would you like to feel how the shape? And then you're right there with your hand ready to take it back. I think people are pretty good about doing I'm I'm letting a lot more people touch things in the historical society than has previously been allowed because you just do, you want to touch it. You want to feel what the materials like, you want to feel, how heavy things are, are interested. And I'm assuming that these are things that, if they did disappear, that it's not a major portion of Unknown: the well, no, but it's most of our heavy stuff. I don't know. We have no provenience on it. We don't know where they came from. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, then if that disappears, that's not such a big thing compared. Unknown: We don't have another and I could always come to this side of the table and stand there where you can, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: or any of us can, but I agree, I understand. It's a real do i or don't I situation absolutely anything else on this particular topic, because then we need to keep moving. You find Tom just playing Tom, oh, yeah, Can I just jump again to the 2/50 anniversary. The 2/50 anniversary, we have engaged history at play to do Deborah Sampson, she will be doing in the books theater on January. Let me see if I didn't What? No calendar. Save it 10. I want to send it 10s too, but I want to just double check
in January, oh, goodness, it's not here. I thought it would be here. I believe it is January 11 at 2pm what is going on. Deborah Sampson, history of play. It'll be at the Volks theater. Yeah, certainly tell your friends to save the date, so to speak. The other one is April 10. We do not have a venue at this point, but it'll be Frances Perkins, so she's going to be involved. And
as I said before, we're hoping to, on the same day, have her do a special Unknown: presentation. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Thank you, presentation on for high school students, because she's an important people that they should be aware of. And the whole goal of the 2/50 is to be sure people understand that the liberties that were fought for 250 years ago are liberties that we still enjoy and that we are still pursuing. So will be the same day the yes for the high school and the yes she's seven o'clock for for an evening performance for the Tom and now High School is yet to be determined, and that's just for the students. Anything else on that to 50th? Unknown: Wait, sorry, what was the date? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Or 11th at 2pm and Unknown: folks, oh, the 7pm Katherine Gardner-Wescott: the 7pm is the Francis Perkins, April 10, which is a Friday night this coming September 21 Gretchen Schuler is doing a walk to the historic district archeology walk. So we want to architecture, architecture, architecture. Thank you. I'm sorry so many A's. Um. So please sign up for that so they know how many people there. They're going to have a small reception afterwards on the front lawn of the historical society with 1700 recipe cookies. So to have a curiosity about what they taste like or look Unknown: like, what date is that architectural Katherine Gardner-Wescott: wall? Uh, September 21 Unknown: Oh, I thought it was this Sunday. Oh, see. Okay, first. Ah, okay, that's why. What time of the day to two o'clock? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Anything else on the 2/50 in case, this is just throwing this out. In case anybody's interested on the on the 20th of September, there is Apple Fest at the wayside inn, and we Historical Society has a table there and many activities. So if you have children or grandchildren you want to take there are a lot of things for them to do as well. And stop by and say hello to the Historical Society. Anything else on the 2/50 I think, at the moment, so let's go back to display the Tom building discussion. Has anybody come up with any ideas? And we are going to probably have to move the discussion the display pretty soon. We hear that the display in the town building, yes,
Richard Conard: we found the combination to the locks on cabinet in the archeology law we tried it out and so we can open case Unknown: bar, the Tom bar, fantastic. So can start to remove Katherine Gardner-Wescott: this. I think that you need to remove them sooner rather than later, because I'm sure they not happy that we're dragging our feet on this. They want it out.
Unknown: What they let us put it, some of it back in that would be put, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well, we're in discussion about a possibility of a smaller case, so that Native American can be on display and keep in the forefront of people's minds. But that's just the discussion at this point. There's no Unknown: be nice if it could be on a table display, just that. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So you would have to decide what artifacts that you would want to display. Unknown: I'm talking about the diorama. I'm
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: not going to hold my breath Unknown: already in No, yeah, that's not happening. I thought they haven't. I haven't heard they definitely don't want Katherine Gardner-Wescott: that. They definitely don't want that, pretty clear. Unknown: They definitely don't want the diagram. They don't Katherine Gardner-Wescott: understand it. I know they don't understand it. It's too bad, but they don't. And the whole point is that we have to find a new home that appreciates it and can be used Unknown: about the historical society
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: mentioned space.
Unknown: No, it's the big one? What's a possibility for asking that's a familiarity center. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Pretty, dim, dim. Unknown: Well, no, what if we talk to Julie? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: To who? Julie? Yeah, oh, Julie, feel free to talk to Julie about it. Why? Huh, to feel free to talk to Julie about it. Okay, I did to Unknown: the educational area of
the townhouse. Rooms are huge, and in the corner they could put it Katherine Gardner-Wescott: display again. Would you like to be in charge of that? That i will i I'm Unknown: happy to have covered in Plexiglas. The kids could look at it, sure.
But mean, they must do a unit. There's a mandatory unit on, on, you know, the native people of Massachusetts. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So, yeah, anybody who wants to talk to teachers or schools or anyone else but. I will tell you that when things are put away in schools, just from my experience, things are not carefully put away. Things are not necessarily, well, they don't have a storage either. That's the problem, yeah, so, Unknown: yeah, they just don't understand that. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And maybe there needs to be an explanation that goes along with it, that it points out the fishing weirs, the drying fish, the canoe that's being built that tied Tom leaf, and why the buildings are built the way they are, to keep the wind out and so forth and the cold and so forth. So I think it's needs more information to make people interested in it. The reason people are not interested in it here is because, like you said, they don't know because there's no explanation with it. That's part of the problem. They don't understand Unknown: it well, I can go around and talk to them, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: but that doesn't help. When you get new staff. Doesn't help the public when they come in, they don't understand it. And that's the whole point is, it's not something that people get and it needs to be done. Okay? So we're going to remove the artifacts from the top portion of the display as soon as possible. Yeah, let's do that. And then you're going to talk to Julie about possible display of the native village. Unknown: Can we give her the case too? Because they don't want the case. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: They don't want the case. I don't know. Have you looked Have you seen that? It's two parts. No, I haven't. Well, you stayed in the hallway when you go, Unknown: I obviously know how that opens up. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, we'll, we'll figure it out. Yeah, okay, anything else on that? Or can I move forward? Because I'm, I don't know, until the time of this village. Oh, no, I was looking for 10. Okay, 310 Well, we kind of already talked about the Sherman bridge activity. So how about cemetery information? Bradford Carver: Cemetery, we got the most recent requisition invoice. Very small amount, $1,300 the the activity is, is still way behind schedule. And if you can help me out with the percentages, I think that they're pretty much done with the the
Richard Conard: stuff, Bradford Carver: phase one stones, the one that are cleaning, and they're mainly done with the phase three stones, which are the ones that require the most amount of work, very little, if any, work has been done on on phase two. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Are you talking about cleaning or repairs? Bradford Carver: They actually did that called Fay. What are they called? Ann Gordon: You're back. You're backwards. Brad, the priority, priority one are the ones that need the most work, that need either to be reset or and those, I don't have the exact percentage, but a high percentage of those are done, and the cleaning is largely done, but I think the the overall percentage of work done is really the figure that we need to pay attention to, and that is 30% of the work is done, and that The summer has has been slow in terms of progress. At the end of June, they were 27% done. At the end of July, they were 29.9% done. And at the end of August, 30% done. So. I think Brad, I think we said this at our last meeting, and we need to schedule you, and I need to schedule another meeting with epic and really talk about what they see going forward in terms of their ability to do this work. The fellow that they hired this year has been doing all the cleaning, but he's not trained to do more than that yet, and Rachel said she doesn't want to, you know, put him on our work until she's confident that he can do it, which obviously, yeah, we feel that way too. I don't know what they're playing what what his training regimen looks like, how he's learning who's teaching him? Is he going to a program or a class? Us, or is it on the job training? I have a lot of questions. I'm sure you do too, Brad, and I think we need to connect with them and and have a conversation about it. Bradford Carver: All right, because priority one are the ones that require the most amount of work. And Josh, as Anne said, I think he's done most of most of that work, we can get an exact percentage of completion on that but those are the ones I think require the highest degree of skill. Three, which is cleaning, which is Joseph, is a person who's been doing it that requires a lot of training, necessarily, and that work is done, what I don't really understand is with priority to what level of skill is required. Like, for instance, I need to go into the one of the cemeteries, like North cemetery, and look at a few priority to and see what's involved. But yeah, the level of percentage completion at this point is, is really not, not acceptable. And, you know, something, something does need to change. And I guess that, I think that, and I probably need to have that conversation with Rachel in the next 30 days so we can report back. And I think we need to get some sort of level of comfort, or more discomfort, as to whether they're going to be able to to do the work or want to do the work. Unknown: How much do they favor? Bradford Carver: Well, I think it was 237,000 I think is the total amount that they would be paid if they did all the work and they've done 30% of the work. I don't think that means 30% of the dollars, because the priority one, priority two and priority three have different dollar values attached to it. Okay, I don't remember the exact amount we paid today, but, but the bulk of the contract funds are still there. So yeah,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: in October, we're meeting on the eighth, so hopefully you'll have some we'll have talked to them by the eighth. Bradford Carver: Yeah, I Well, I don't think we have, I hope so. Yeah, yeah, we have to and just get a sense from Rachel as to what, what they're willing or able to do, you know, we know Josh has been ill, but, but I think that he's been, he's been doing his best time fell, has been doing quite a bit of work this summer, not miss, just not on our Katherine Gardner-Wescott: stuff. Well, so is it because he needs to be closer to home that? Bradford Carver: Oh, I don't want to necessarily speculate, but I will throw out there that Rachel did acknowledge that in other work they're doing, they're being paid quite a bit more per headstone than what we are Paying
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: for them. Did they decide what been taken so this is not what I was hoping for. Okay, so we are going on to the house black bread. Bradford Carver: House black there's two items on that. One is the list that I've been accumulating of the all the plaques that have been given out. I need to follow up with Alyssa. She said she was going to look through her files again to see if I have she has the gap there, a gap of plaques were given out between about 2002 1020 I just don't have the full information. It's not in the folders. It's not anything I've seen Alyssa said she might have, but I need to follow up with her, and I will do that. And interestingly, in the past 30 days, we now have four applications for house players on pepperton, on Main Street training field road is actually just a replacement plaque. It's one that's already there. They want to replace them. And then 73 East plain, which, Kay, and I've been discussing it. I guess that's more than 30 days, but we have four applications, and now, which is, which is good? Yeah. So I'm following up with each of those people for additional back backup International.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: For the the one that just wants to buy a new one to replace their old one, that one that could go ahead Bradford Carver: or do, yeah, I assume that if they just want to replace it, there's no issue. It's already been vetted. It's, I actually, it's actually on the list we have. So I was just going to tell that person, if they're interested, they can pay $75 and I'll get the, get the plat Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and ask them if we borrow this Bradford Carver: plan. Yes, that would, I could add. That would be a good Yes, yep, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: yeah, because they can put. We had an order it and have it Bradford Carver: in time for us to follow. Yep, the guy who makes the plaques, he turns them around in one or two days. They're actually quite great work. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So, okay, any of the Unknown: rules, what are the rules? Bradford Carver: Well, that's one. That's the second thing on the agenda. The guidelines to get a flat. They're they're very generally stated. If you look on the website, age significance, historical events, something like that, there's three or four items. So they're quite, quite big. And then the application itself, really, all it is is just the name and address of the the building. It doesn't have any any additional requested information. I went and I looked at the websites of several other towns, Sudbury, Concord, Bedford, what their applications were like. Concord is actually pretty good, because not only does it ask for the name and address, that sort of thing. They also ask of the of the four items of significance, historical age, that sort of thing. Why are you applying? What is the basis of the the request? And it's just that, you know, sentence or two. But I think that would be helpful to add. And then I also think significantly, what it asks for is photocopies of any documents, such as deeds or anything else establishing, say, the age of the house. Because with every one of these applications, I always have to go back to the people and say, Can you provide me with the documents? So if it was in the application, I'm willing to go back and revise our application for you guys take a look at to request that information, it would just say several steps to request that in that information. So if you like, I can revise ours and at the next meeting and give you an idea of what I think should begin. So what? Well, I was going to say, but I think the case other point and to hear the man is, do our guidelines need to be changed? Or what should be our guidelines, or what should be the prerequisites for, for getting, getting a plaque? Unknown: No, years and years ago, I don't know your role would know her this, but we had when at least escola, I think, was chair, we had a discussion about the ages houses had to be. And I distinctly remember something about 75 years. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: That was when we were doing the demolition delay. Unknown: That was before your time. Yeah, Bradford Carver: I think the plaques are 75 200 years. It's something it is 75 or 100 years. I think it's what it does say on the website, one of those two.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So what I just handed Brad was a folder that I um, outlines the program and tells you what you have to do. And if, as you said here, it tells you, where do I find the house, historic house information, and it talks about South bill, says County Registry of these and this will be the responsibility of the applicant. It says so right on here, it gives makes them understand that there's a little bit of work to it and so forth. And we want a copy of all their documents. Doesn't have to be their originals, so that when we can put it in the file for further information, or somebody comes along and says, who was at number one, Harrison Road, and what information do you have on it? We can pull out the documents rather than reinventing the wheel and researching it again that somebody else has already researched it. This tells you how to to apply. It tells you where to place the marker. It tells you what a that's Unknown: interesting because we weren't, we weren't giving guidelines on that. Bradford Carver: Yeah, this is, this is what K just handed it's much more detailed. And what's our website firm. This is Unknown: much more detail. Are we going to stick with that or? Well, that's Katherine Gardner-Wescott: what we're here to talk about. And the other thing is, I was talking to Elisa, and I said, I remember that there was, just before she left, there was a house that, like 75% of it, had been remodeled very contemporary, and there was just two walls that were of the age of the house that they wanted a plaque for. And there was a lot of discussion here as to whether or not they should get a plaque. Well, it was finally decided that yes, they could get a plaque, but it had to be put on the walls for one or two one of the walls that was actually the age of the plaque. I said it was rather than on the newer portion. And even with that, she didn't feel comfortable giving them a plaque. So I think we need to determine how much of a house needs to be retained before we say, well, you remodeled it out of its age. So, I mean, it's only fair to to the applicant to give these kinds of guidelines so that they don't waste their time doing a lot of research or something, and they don't have to. Unknown: Where do we get those? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: This was in the it's historic commission. Historical Commission Office. Can we just copy them? Well, no, I don't think that everything for one thing, it says it's $40 of black. It's way Unknown: outdated. Can we copy that paper? Way outdated? What I Bradford Carver: suggest was I revise the application form, and I can include some of this in terminology is good. And I can even put something in the application. It says that says, if your house has been remodeled in any way, explain, you know, percentage something, I can come up with the language so that, so that, if that's an issue, we will know upfront and not have to keep going back and forth with Right, exactly. And I know which house you're talking about. You're talking about the house on Lincoln Road, Unknown: but Well, if you get those printed out, I would like to have one. Bradford Carver: Well, what I was suggesting was I'll prepare a proposed application that can go on the website for everybody take a look at and if it's acceptable, then we'll, we'll replace the one that's currently there and put the new application in.
Unknown: So would it be sufficient if somebody sends you a living, you know, instead of to the research, like, oh, here are examples of my, you know the history about my house. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: We want the documentation. Unknown: I guess it depends on how we plan. You're wanting them to, like, download everything and send it. I mean, that seems Katherine Gardner-Wescott: no they could say that it's in book 10, page 55 at the south little sex deed of Registry of Deeds. They don't have Unknown: to print it out, okay, but probably it's on macro source. You know, if Katherine Gardner-Wescott: it's already on macros, then a lot of their work has already been done for them. So they can just refer us to Macros, right? But if it's a house that hasn't been done before, we need to know where the deeds they found, the information and so forth to prove their points, Unknown: but the deed ownership is not necessarily their point, like it would be. Oh, here's an article on the architect that designed my house, or, I mean, I don't know, well, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: that's a document. That's what I'm talking about. A document doesn't have to be a deed document, yeah. Unknown: But so it wouldn't be, mean, this stuff is all now in the No longer would you go back through the deeds to the original owners? Is right? No, no, I know. But like in our an article about an architect isn't going to be it's going to be in the cloud. Well, so it's going to be like, be Katherine Gardner-Wescott: or how, but things don't last forever. I know these think they do, but they don't last for everything. What do you mean? Well, say they give us a link, and we go to that link and the link is broken. The link Unknown: is, oh, would they say? Okay, Architectural Digest, you know, 1972 August, 1972 order. Bradford Carver: Most of the time it's, it's a The question is the age of the house, right? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: And who owned it, and Bradford Carver: who owned it originally is, that's what's on plaque? Is the original?
Unknown: Yes, slash, Bradford Carver: yeah, right. And usually that can can be derived from the deed, but not always, because the deeds can be confusing as well. But the deed is a good place to Unknown: start. But these are really more Colonial Era houses. You're talking I think 75 Bradford Carver: to 100 years. So Katherine Gardner-Wescott: you can do things over 1800 Bradford Carver: house so it's actually more reasonable, which means it should be easy, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right? Should Unknown: be absolutely, yeah, that's why I was thinking Architects like the mid century modern ones would be more unlikely to be written up somewhere, yeah. Bradford Carver: But again, if you're, if you're basing, if you're basing the application on the age of the house, that should be key, okay, if it's historical significance, like a Gropius house or something like that, and or Sears, Sears, or something like Unknown: that, that'd Bradford Carver: be a difference. Okay, okay. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: But most of the women. We get requests for for the age of the house. On the age of the house, okay, which you say 75 to 100 Bradford Carver: has been the I think that's, I have looked at the website, but I think it's 75 400 Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I can't remember what. So that means Mid Century Modern is coming up on, yeah, yeah, which the town is filled with, yeah. So, yeah. So then the question becomes, do we depend just on age, or does it have to be age and something special about the house, which I know other towns depend on, they have to be something unique about the house, the architecture or the builder or person who lived in the house. Because when you hit the 1950s this was Boomtown here in Wayland in 1950s and 60s. So do we need to narrow that down Bradford Carver: or make it? Make it 125 I mean, it's it. It really is, because, as you are bringing in a lot of new housing stock, yeah. And should that Unknown: well, also, I have a question about that being for some of those people might not want to black on their house, but if they did, would they really want this, stylistically the type of plaque that we make? Would they want that be appropriate? Yes. Would they want, you know, maybe they'd want a very much more modern looking, contemporary, contemporary, looking flat. And would we offer a different to another style of black for starting in like 1950 and forward? If or something, I mean, I don't, I don't know. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I will tell you in working in the assessor's office between 1910 and 1930 there are so many sub developments, so many sub developments, that they had their own book of sub development people so and you might remind them that online, it's the assessors records, and they can go through that, and that tells Whether there's a house on the property or not, but anyway, that makes a difference too. So there you go. So we will leave this in your hand and see what Thank you. Archeology, we have any reports or information Unknown: archeology? Well, today we had the end of Mary antes volunteering for us in our lab. So she she had trouble writing, and so she looked into what nothing could be done. So she felt it was better to finish up, and she's so busy on the June 50th committee anyway, but so that's just something that happened, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and to which we all want to say thank you to Mary Ann, thank you so appreciated all her time. And we're Unknown: back to lunch, and she did say she still needs to follow up with you, or I can let you know where she left off. She'll email you. Yeah, I know Margaret. Margaret said that woman handwriting was hard to read, and so she thought she should just stop doing it. So she's a very nice lady, and we appreciated having her in the lab.
The other thing is behind the pain estate, what used to be the pain estate, between that and the river. SBT owns the field, and there was a plan to go through that field and tell it down to eight inches. And so I've talked to SBT, and the first contractor that's going to do it can't do it, so they're looking for another contractor, and I want to go and walk that field, because I think it's probably archeologically sensitive, but I didn't want to go myself, so this young woman in SVT who I talked to, and she said she'd go walking with me. So we might do that, but we gotta find out if it's when, it's till, and then we can look for some evidence. So that's the most exciting thing. I haven't heard a thing from ConCom about the firm farm property, so, and I don't expect to hear from it unless I go fuck it. Well. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I. Going to say, You better go and ask. Yeah, they're just across the hall. Unknown: So otherwise, Rick is still working on the Castle Hill, Castle Hill site, and I've been helping Margaret with the media project, and that's been fun, because we going through the old photographs, and I can tell her who they are, and we've looked at some of the slides that Karen Lang Thorn had taken, and some of them are from Glover farm in Framingham. So I've been talking to the Framingham History Center about that, because I want to know more about Glover farm, because I remember a lot of the old avocational archeologists used to talk about going to Glover farm, and they all used to go and pick Katherine Gardner-Wescott: up artifacts. Where is the location of Glover's farm? Unknown: Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out, I think it's in South Framingham, not far from Lake Cochituate. In one of the books I looked Katherine Gardner-Wescott: at in South Framingham, pardon me, South Framingham, or north? For me and Unknown: no, I think it south, south, at least if it's by Lake Cochituate. On the map, it looked like it was south, but maybe, yeah, wrong. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, you know, the Glover property was in Cochituate. Yeah, two like Cochituate was in Cochituate. Well, Glover property that because she and her husband brought over the first printing press, she and her husband brought over the first printing press to the colonies. He died in route. So she was given property in Cochituate, next to dunsters property. Unknown: And that's fascinating. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So the printing press was put into Harvard and Dunster and Glover eventually married, but her children by her first husband inherited the land when she died, not Dunster or his family, but if you look on the town website maps, you will find a map, historical map showing the outline of the Glover property. Unknown: I saw that in a book that we had in our library in the office, so, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: but it's on online, on the town web page, in the maps, okay, and you can see, I think it's the very last of several maps, and it shows where Glover's property was, where dunster's property was, and where Jenny, Jennifer, Jenny, Jenny's property was. Unknown: Well, the avocational seems to talk to me about Mrs. Glover and her Katherine Gardner-Wescott: father, right? Well, I don't think Mrs. Glover actually came and lived on that farm. So maybe a different Mrs. Glover, I Unknown: don't know. So Mrs. Glover, that they knew? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Oh, no. Well, if they knew her, then it was different, because I'm talking 17, 1600 Unknown: Oh, this is not modern Mrs. Glover, this is they knew it was the historic forever bar, and so they used to refer to what is Mrs. Glover, it may have been her children, right? Then they would have had different names. Yeah, her son's wife. You know, the people I knew would tell me better. No, I know, yeah. I'm just, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: well, I'm just saying there's 200 years difference there, yes, so I don't need maybe a different Glover then. So I'm still Unknown: trying to do some research.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Anything else Unknown: we're making headway on the Castle Hill material and Margaret's putting a lot more of it in the computer. Now, I just heard I tried to call Duncan Lucci a couple of days ago, and I talked to Deborah Cox, and you had talked to her too, and I asked, I had asked for him, and she came on the line, and she said he's not in today, and she said he hasn't been feeling too tough, which worries me, because he's got he he's the principal investigator on Sand Hill, so saying a prayer for Jack and yes, get whatever he's got. So I'll have to wait and see. So I'll keep up with that as much as I can.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Anything else. Unknown: Well, can you think of something that I've forgotten? No, I don't think so. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Alright, so it is railroad and rail trail. Richard Conard: The only thing I have to report is that the vinyl company, all type, has been paid, mentioned at our last meeting. We haven't been paid yet. We haven't paid sardown. Anything else to report. We
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: want to talk about the rail trail.
Richard Conard: Not much to report on signs the where the Carol hopes the graphic artist should be back now, but I have not heard anything. I know whether Bonnie has been in contact with or not about some of the issues that are included in last month's Katherine Gardner-Wescott: minutes. Just send you, I think she sent Richard Conard: an email to us about a possible vote at select board meeting to select a contractor for the installation of the pads and the signs, but I haven't heard back as to whether that has been scheduled for the next select board meeting. Apparently, the bids have Tom and they've selected a bit last I heard there were some questions about whether that company what would the type of font could be used when the company that would be made to fabricate the signs, if It's a company that arrow folks has not dealt with that might be some issues, but I don't know new details. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So I heard from Bonnie and Tom Fay is double checking, but he thinks we're on this schedule for the 15th of September for signage and and this will, I hope, excite you. The DCR has changed the number of signs that will be printed up, and have removed two of the signs, which will eventually be printed and put on Tom property. But then there are two signs that they have contracted with a bidder to create, but they need only 11 signs instead of 13 signs. So on September 15, if people are available to come and support this at the Select Board meeting, it would be important to show numbers there. They are going to ask the Select Board, since the payment has already been secured by a vendor, and the town has already agreed to pay that amount of money. Would they allow a Historical Commission to put to make two of their signs that they are hoping to make, which could be two in Dudley woods and one in Dudley woods and one in Castle, castle gate road and and use that money to actually create the signs that would mean installation would be our responsibility, and in the way the budget is going right now. It looks like installation wouldn't be immediate, but we would have the signs to put out there are, and that's the last that was. I was told it's not a done deal. It has to be approved by the Select Board, although I understand that there are members as a Select Board that have heard, already heard this proposal or and are in favor of it. And that's why we need people there to support a positive vote now. And I had a question for you, was it castle gate that we didn't have enough money to create a sign?
Ann Gordon: You know, I would have to go back and refresh my memory, but I think it was. Yes, I think we have enough money for castle gate. My memory is but I could be wrong, but we didn't have enough for the two signs at Dudley woods that we wanted to Katherine Gardner-Wescott: do. We did, did not. I'm sorry it was noisy here Ann Gordon: that I think we did not have enough for two signs. But we also knew that we couldn't use the pot of money for castle gate. If there's any left over, we can't use it in Dudley. So I think that was part of the problem too, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right? We had a hope to marry the two, but in rereading the rules and so forth. We have to leave it open, I think for meetings. Sherry Ann, I think it has to be, has to be open. For meetings, you can pop it far away, yeah, Unknown: conversation of thought. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So I read that that we could not marry the two pots together in order to have enough money. Yeah, so knowing that would help us decide which two signs we would have this company do for us. Okay, if it passes, I mean, it would be nice if we came and said we have two signs in Dudley woods that we'd like to have done, or we have a sign it wherever we want to put it. Ann Gordon: Yeah, I think, yeah. I mean, off the top of my head, I'd say that makes more sense. It's the two Dudley wood signs,
two extra signs, and we have two signs we want to make. You know, it's a little, it's a it's a good fit. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: It is a good fit. And it's both for the town. It's both historical, and it's already, money has already been approved for it, and the contract, according to Bonnie, has already been signed. So it makes sense to go ahead and do that, and then we can put together some images for those signs and so forth that we can now, I don't know how much money would be set aside for Carol's graphic designs on that. I know we want her to do that.
Ann Gordon: Well, I'm, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: we have to get the money, though, Ann Gordon: right. And I also, you know, I'm, I don't know where the graphic standards are for the railroad, the rail trail signs. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, I don't think, I think we agreed at the last meeting that we weren't going to necessarily follow their guidelines. Ann Gordon: We didn't agree to that. We agreed that Abby and Mike don't need to necessarily follow their guidelines in the sign they're planning for stones bridge. But I did not understand that we decided we as a commission, don't need to follow their Katherine Gardner-Wescott: suggestion. Actually, I thought it was yours. No, Ann Gordon: I meant specifically for Abby and Mike, because they were, they were working on the sign they were, you know, ready to get going. And I said, I don't think it makes sense for you to wait and, you know, for these standards to be settled, but I think we should, if we can. I just think it's it would be best if Wayland had a look and feel that was consistent across all of our interpretive signage. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: I agree with you on that. However, I don't agree with these outline that the DCR is offering because it's too restrictive, and they limit on texts, and they limit they want you to write it as for a sixth grade level. And they will, Ann Gordon: I think every, I think all public signage is that's, that's a pretty typical standard. Is a sixth grade level is, would it be possible for the rest of us to see the standards, or the design template, or something that would give us a little sense of what they're suggesting? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: The lot of things, it things that I've just heard. What about you, Rick, that, I mean, I Bonnie says to me, but I don't have anything in writing. Richard Conard: If I received the scandals, it was so long ago that I don't remember what they were in detail, I have to look Katherine Gardner-Wescott: to see if, but they've been changed. It seems to me that a couple times changed, a couple of times. Sherry Ann, you've been there when Bonnie's talked Unknown: also, no and Ann Gordon: have you got drafts of the rail trail signs Katherine Gardner-Wescott: you want to hear what Sherry Unknown: Anne said? DCR, apparently has gotten much more. Restricted in what they want on the signs for the grants right now, as far as the number of pictures, as far as the what is in the script, and so forth and so on it. Ann Gordon: Have you got drafts of those signs yet? Have you seen anything? Unknown: No, I have not, but I don't attend all of the meetings for the for the real care signs. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Now every time, Bonnie sends something out, then she comes back later and said, No, they've rejected this or they don't want that. So no, we haven't really seen a finalized version. We're not keeping anything from anybody. We just, we don't know either. Ann Gordon: Yeah, it's, it sounds like it all we hear Katherine Gardner-Wescott: is what we're told. And it's so far, it's always been negative. It's always, they don't want this. They don't want that, this kind of font. First they wanted 10th grade level. Now they want sixth grade level. Unknown: Things restricted on the rich colors can dawn they on the signs, right?
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So that's why I thought, I thought you were suggesting for us that we didn't have to necessarily follow DCR, that we would be the leaders of what Wayland signs would look like. Well, I we do. Ann Gordon: I don't feel like we need to adhere to DCR standards in other signs, because it's not a DCR property other than, you know, the rail trail. But I think they should, I think we should be informed in our design by what they've done. You know, what colors are they using? What font are they using? What how are they laying it out? I think at least we ought to know that before we create other signs, because we may not want to adhere to all their standards. We may want more words. We may want more pictures or fewer pictures. We may want to change some of the details, but I just continue to feel like the overall look and feel should be connected, so that it feels com, you know, comprehensive and coordinated. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, I thought that was one of many reasons why we wanted Carol hopes to do the designing, because she will have worked with them on this, and she will have a feel of what the font and so on and so forth, but yet she can be creative by what we want on it, so that it is not glaringly different, like a pink background with purple lettering or something like that. Ann Gordon: But yes, I agree she's the perfect person to do it, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: right and but what I'm saying is, with all the money that we're spending on posters and speakers and so forth, this may not be the year that we have enough money to pay Carol, we may have enough to start started, and then when July comes around next year, we can continue it, or whatever. But I'm just watching the budget, because it's $1,000 and we're already spending three or $400 already. Ann Gordon: So I guess I'm confused about the but what you're talking about the budget, because we already have funding for these signs, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: but we don't have funding for the graphic. Well, you're right, and you're right, maybe the money that we have we can spend towards the graphic. Person, I understand what you're saying now. Thank you for clarifying that, and that makes a lot of sense. I have forgotten about that, Ann Gordon: but it does seem like we need to see what happens at this meeting on the 15th, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: absolutely, because change that you're talking about pie in the sky at this point, but I wanted you to be aware of it so that you could come to the meeting. Look at the agenda before the 15. See if it is on the agenda. If it is on the agenda, then we need to show up and show our support for them doing that. And then then we can take the money that CPA, because we don't have to wait on that and talk to Carol about the designing and how much it would cost. Can give us an estimate on that, and we can take it from there. Does that sound good? Yep, right. Okay. Then the one last thing is the request that came in last night from who was it? The lady that's Kristen Lipson, she sent a request. She's in the process of purchasing 21 Cochituate Road, old Collins market building with a goal of converting it into two boutique cafe in bistro called townhouse. The name honors the property origins as the town's first town building. Tom really referred to as the townhouse in the 1800s because the property is zoned business a the project requires a special use permit from the Zoning Board of Appeals at last night zba hearing, the members expressed interest in the proposal, but continue the hearing to allow more time to review the bylaws, particularly as they relate to parking relief. My vision is to celebrate and preserve the building's historical significance while breathing fresh life into a true town. Landmark townhouse would not only serve as a gathering place for the residents, but also strengthen the vibrancy of the neighborhood. Nearby businesses and residents have expressed strong enthusiasm for the project, and I have had the pleasure of sharing my vision with your chair. No, this is wrong chair. Kay, but anyway, who is supportive as well to help the CBA appreciate the broader community value of this project, I would be grateful for letters of support from the Commission and individual members. Your voices as stewards of Wayland history would carry particular weight in underscoring the importance of ensuing this building, once again, serves as a pillar of the community, I've attached an overview of my plans for your reference, and I understand this may be on your agenda at today's meeting. Please don't hesitate to reach out with any questions. I would be delighted to provide any additional details. Thank you very much for your consideration and for your ongoing efforts to preserve and celebrate waylands history, I will tell you that there were several neighbors, Mary and other people like Gretchen, Schuler, marjor Basson, the library, and they were either represented there or had letters of support, as well as the historical society through Scarlet. And so the question then became, would the Historical Commission also support it? Questions, comments, Ann Gordon: I'm sorry, Kay, I couldn't quite follow what you were reading at the beginning, what is her plan? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: She is turning the balance market building into a a what she calls a boutique cafe. And, I
Unknown: mean, I think it's a great idea. I don't know how, how we would support it or not supported. I mean, it's within the historic district. It is, it is, and they have letter written, a letter, so, yeah, it's, it's staying within the confines of the rules of the historic district. But I don't see our role Katherine Gardner-Wescott: in it well. I think that she is saying that she is trying to keep the property as historic as possible, and that we support the what do I how do I want to say this? We support the fact that she wants to keep the building historic in appearance and so forth. That's about the only thing that we can support. Unknown: Yeah. Well, Ann Gordon: one of the things that, one of the things that strikes me about it, is that that building, in the in the years that I've lived in Wayland, that building has been inaccessible to the public. It's just a historic facade, but it was the market, and before that, it was the library. And so I like that. She her vision is to create a community space in that building again. So I I feel I like that. Unknown: I love the idea. I just don't understand exactly since, since, since it's really the historic district Commission's don't domain. I mean, I we could say we support the spirit of the idea, but I don't, I don't, I guess I just don't see our role in it. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Well, I. Again, I think it's she is hoping that the historical aspect is something that we would support, that that's our ability. Yeah, I don't see the historic aspect well, as she said, she wants to celebrate and preserve the building's historical significance while breathing fresh life into a tree town landmark. It serves as a gathering place for residents and strengths, the vibrancy of the neighborhood and so forth. People can also send letters individually saying, I really like the idea of a bistro cafe, plus the fact that she's trying to keep it as historically, yeah, possible, but she's asking the commission if they would just support her vision of keeping it historical. And since we cover the whole town, we don't exclude the historic district, we could say that, Bradford Carver: yeah, my view is, I is that if the historic district commission is passed on that tells me that they're going to retain the historical facade and it's going to look the way it is, and maintain the integrity of the building like Andrew Madison, I think it's a great idea. I'd love to see a cafe, frankly, as a business model. I'm not sure it's going to work, but, yeah, just a location, but, but in terms of, in terms of, from a historical perspective, right? It's an integrated what Unknown: was the original purpose of Katherine Gardner-Wescott: that building? It was the town building, or the town hall. It was the first non Meeting House town hall. So it was like a separation of the church and government, okay, because Unknown: I remember, and it Katherine Gardner-Wescott: had the library in the first basement, and the first floor was the was the library, the Tom clerk and so forth, was upstairs. Unknown: And then Academy, 10 years for two years High School. That was the high school in town, yeah, and it was housed in that building. That's like about 1840 and 40 to 42 Katherine Gardner-Wescott: was that a private high school or public high school, private, private high school.
Unknown: It was a grocery store Katherine Gardner-Wescott: when we moved here, and then it eventually became Collins market, you're absolutely right. And then the most recent, the real estate office that was in there, was purchased by someone who grew up in the town, and also wanted to keep the historical aspect of it the biggest problem the outside, from the outside right? Or changed? Yeah, they've changed the inside, but people previous to them had changed the inside. So for sale. Now it's not for sale. She bought it. Unknown: Oh, she bought it. Okay, so why did they put it up for sale? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: They didn't, actually, they didn't. They wanted to rent out space that they were not using. And she said, I don't want to rent it. I want to buy it, and you can rent from me. And that's what happens. Unknown: Okay, that's interesting. She's pretty enterprising. She is. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: She's very much a go getter, no doubt about it. Unknown: Well, we could use a little piece for our town.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: But the question is, do we want to write a letter of support? You can all write letters of support individually, on your own is town residents, but will it can commission vote to write a letter of support for keeping the building historic, historic, I will tell you last night, after the CBA meeting, she caught me as I was leaving the house. She came up and Paul, remember Paul, or guest, to have a, what do you call those things of boards that fold outboard, tri fold boards, and he had done an architectural plan of it. He had photographs of all the original beams in the basement, and they were there with their cameras, just clipping away, taking pictures of the whole thing. And her architect was with her, so they're obviously interested in keeping it historical. Ann Gordon: Hey, what's this woman's name? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Her name is Kristen. Lipson, l, i, p, s o, n,
Bradford Carver: and the way spelled the first name is k, i, r, s, t, y, N, Ann Gordon: oh, thank you. I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have picked that spelling. No, that's really i r, s, t, y, n, okay, well, I'll go out on a limb and say I would be in favor of our writing a letter of support based on the fact that we trust the historic district commission to manage the compliance with historic standards. And in my opinion, I like that. Her vision is to make it a community space once again, which I think is a sort of throwback to its history, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and it just will say an aside is that she's going to put a patio in the back so people will have accessibility all around the building, including the back. So I agree with Dan. So are you seconding second? All right? Any other further discussion? Let's take a vote and yes. Amanda, yes. Brad, yes. Jerry. Ann, yes. Tanya, I'm still thinking about okay. Richard Conard: Rick, yes, Katherine Gardner-Wescott: okay, yes. And would you like to abstain? No, I think it's a good idea. So are you voting? Yeah, I thought, yes, yes. Unknown: I just hope she follows through on what she says.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: She sold out. A lot of people didn't answer to it. She doesn't, because a lot of people wrote letters of support. Any anything else that has not in the last 48 hours been brought to our attention. Anything more to say, This is your last chance for today, our next meeting. It'll be, I believe, the eighth of Unknown: October, oops,
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: and let's see eight o'clock. I mean, October 8 at Unknown: one o'clock. What's the day? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: October 8. October 8, the second Wednesday of the month, is when we tend to be and so put it on your agendas, yeah, Unknown: if you have room.
Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Thank you, Anne for again, leaving your vacation time and staying with us is another long Unknown: meeting, not posting. What first minutes? Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Oh, yeah, well, she knows that. What was it the March or April minutes were missing. Ann Gordon: May well we didn't meet in April, so there are no minutes for April. The main minutes, I have posted them. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: Oh, you have okay, you should be there. Yeah, Richard Conard: okay. And if you want to start listing the documents that were passed out at the meetings in the minutes, the article that I passed out today was on Well, Sherman's bridge was from the Boston Sunday globe, June 30, 1991
article on timber bridge to be built to replace Sherman's bridge.
Amanda Ciaccio: Okay, talk to you Richard Conard: about what's been that was a handout, a good one, right? Thank you. So thank you. It was in our files. Katherine Gardner-Wescott: So thank you all for coming and staying all this length of time, I appreciate that, and we are closing the meeting you.